Spaced Armor Vs Solid Armor Simulation

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Simulation Bros

Simulation Bros

Күн бұрын

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@simulationbros
@simulationbros 5 ай бұрын
As an update we will be doing the following simulations for armor comparisons: APFSDS vs NERA composite Armor and solid armor Large gap spaced armor like Leopard turret cheeks APCBC vs Spaced and solid Armor HEATFS vs Spaced and solid Armor HEATFS vs NERA composite Armor and solid armor HEATFS sims take between 2-4x longer to make and can be tricky so that is why it will be some time before it is ready. If you have any other composite ideas I havent seen you can comment about them. (These spaced armor simulations take ~4-6x longer to make compared to normal simulations so its taking a while)
@cringeorbased2803
@cringeorbased2803 5 ай бұрын
May i ask how do u simulate these
@DeniSaputta
@DeniSaputta 5 ай бұрын
Where did the armor shards go?
@simulationbros
@simulationbros 5 ай бұрын
@@cringeorbased2803 I use a program called ANSYS.
@simulationbros
@simulationbros 5 ай бұрын
@@DeniSaputta Simulating them all as full objects takes a lot of computing power so the simulation program simplifies them into red particle dots. You don't see them however because I visually cut the armor in half which hides them.
@cringeorbased2803
@cringeorbased2803 5 ай бұрын
@@simulationbros ty
@thetrujelo
@thetrujelo 5 ай бұрын
Me when the waiter brings me a 500mm armor plate, when I ordered a 250 mm plate, and another 250mm plate.
@TheAlternativeDuck
@TheAlternativeDuck 5 ай бұрын
it gets HEATed
@gdutfulkbhh7537
@gdutfulkbhh7537 4 ай бұрын
This is why I stopped eating at Royal Ordnance.
@King_Sus
@King_Sus 4 ай бұрын
Smh my head, what a bad waiter
@qwerty-wt5dr
@qwerty-wt5dr 4 ай бұрын
u killed me bro ;d
@lordzombieboy
@lordzombieboy 4 ай бұрын
My teeth can't penetrate that! They need at least 30mm of spacing!
@PeterMuskrat6968
@PeterMuskrat6968 5 ай бұрын
Fairly accurate. This is also why all Composites tend to have stuff in between the armor plates. Usually ceramics, Rubber or some other “filling” that when struck by APFSDS penetrators, absorbs the kinetic energy and slows the penetrator down significantly.
@gimmethegepgun
@gimmethegepgun 5 ай бұрын
Non-explosive reactive armor has stuff between the plates that deforms substantially upon impact (older versions used rubber), which causes it to move the plates that have already been hit in a shearing motion that can chop up or otherwise disrupt the projectile. Which critically affects its penetration, as impact depth is based on projectile length.
@BackyardDogPark9862
@BackyardDogPark9862 5 ай бұрын
I don't think the ceramics 'slow down' the penetrator, rather their crystalline structure spreads out the impact force across a greater surface area of the next armor plate.
@t0k4m4k7
@t0k4m4k7 5 ай бұрын
liquid type effect? they put them there because they are quite literally the hardest material they could manufacture at a reasonable price
@SecuR0M
@SecuR0M 5 ай бұрын
Spaced armor is simply mass efficient at the cost of volume.
@SecuR0M
@SecuR0M 5 ай бұрын
​@@BackyardDogPark9862 Ceramics haven't been used since T-64/-72/-80. No Western tank uses them. The preference in the West (and PRC) is rubber or plastics like Lexan.
@Timberjac
@Timberjac 5 ай бұрын
Of course, the problem is what happens when you are hit by a HEAT or HESH round, which is especially brutal against solid armour even if it doesn't really cause real penetration...
@omega97hyper24
@omega97hyper24 5 ай бұрын
Not if you use spaced armor lol
@youlaughyouphill842
@youlaughyouphill842 5 ай бұрын
On a normal plate yeah, but this plate is too thick for normal HESH
@hoshyro
@hoshyro 5 ай бұрын
@@omega97hyper24 That's the literal point the comment you replied to made...
@haydenalcorn8754
@haydenalcorn8754 5 ай бұрын
@@hoshyro KZbin comments are something else
@Reportmania
@Reportmania 5 ай бұрын
Hesh????😂 Maximum 100-150mm penetration bro not 500 +Spaced can be inactive effect so second simulation not effective when spaced armoured targeted
@SeanMurphy1090-d5u
@SeanMurphy1090-d5u 5 ай бұрын
I would like to see the same against HEAT
@Colonel_Overkill
@Colonel_Overkill 5 ай бұрын
Save interaction with some composite materials, HEAT will penetrate a given distance regardless of composition. It will have say 300mm of penetration, and 2x 20mm plates 350mm apart will stop it when a 300mm thick piece of steel will be perforated.
@slobodanmitic1354
@slobodanmitic1354 5 ай бұрын
@@Colonel_Overkill Spaced armour is designed with HEAT defence in the first place. It would penetrate much less if armour is spaced. It works very differently than KEP.
@Colonel_Overkill
@Colonel_Overkill 5 ай бұрын
@slobodanmitic1354 the penetrator isn't shorter because the armor is spaced, it just has air to travel through before hitting steel. The total distance of the penetrator remains generally the same save interference by ceramics or plastics that reduce the penetrator distance.
@slobodanmitic1354
@slobodanmitic1354 5 ай бұрын
@@Colonel_Overkill there is a bit more to it. Longitudinal tension. As the penetrator hits the plate it takes the same force from impact as the plate does. This creates longitudinal ternsion in the penetrator and if it is capable of withstanding it there is no problem. However when it exits the plate and gets itself in the spaced part the tension starts to reciprocate and its force vector switches 180 degrees so then it starts to stretch a projectile. Doing so more and more on a projectile of certain construction makes it weaker with each itteration effectively making it penetrate less. This is especialy true in HEAT whose jet is very brittle (ofc putting ceramic inserts in the space between armour plates makes this even more effective).
@SeanMurphy1090-d5u
@SeanMurphy1090-d5u 5 ай бұрын
What do you people not understand about the word “see”?
@stefannilsson2406
@stefannilsson2406 4 ай бұрын
Spaced armor used to be very effective against kinetic projectiles because when the projectile passes through the first layer, it starts to tumble and doesn't hit the second layer straight on, reducing penetration. Modern APFSDS however is a very long projectile, so it can't tumble before it reaches the next plate.
@TheDuckofDoom.
@TheDuckofDoom. 4 ай бұрын
A spaced layer will also interfere with the fuse timing.
@DuhNoU
@DuhNoU 4 ай бұрын
i think it would also be way cheaper to replace?
@ethanton7074
@ethanton7074 3 ай бұрын
I mean, less overall material used, yes.
@alzl9026
@alzl9026 3 ай бұрын
And what to do witt all that stuff that we got? It's not like we can go somewhere and dump all the stuff...
@etzwei7994
@etzwei7994 26 күн бұрын
Interesting that you say that, since the Germans came up with exactly that problem in mind. Starting from the Leopard 2A5, they added the wedged spaced armour which has a long enough space that would cause the APFSDS to tumble before hitting the main armour (only in the frontal turret tho)
@Solstice_AC
@Solstice_AC 5 ай бұрын
KSP MUSIC RAAAHHHHHHH 🔥🗣️🗣️🔥🗣️🔥🗣️🗣️🔥🔥🔥
@georgevasilopoulos5359
@georgevasilopoulos5359 5 ай бұрын
WHAT THE FUCK IS A PARACHUTE
@ouradeer6690
@ouradeer6690 5 ай бұрын
Maybe adding moar booster?
@genrystikman9340
@genrystikman9340 5 ай бұрын
@@georgevasilopoulos5359 Ore? Location!
@aiden487
@aiden487 5 ай бұрын
STRUTS, WE NEED STRUTS!!!
@ChillZilla-eh9ye
@ChillZilla-eh9ye 5 ай бұрын
All hatches are obstructed, can't exit.
@superZND
@superZND 5 ай бұрын
All this, of course, is cool, but in modern armor, a layered pie scheme is often used: steel plate, fiberglass, steel, fiberglass, steel, etc. The filling between steel plates may be different in different countries. I think the engineers thought well and tested various booking options for a long time, since armor made of a single steel plate is practically not used by anyone in the modern world.
@fakhrifr7833
@fakhrifr7833 5 ай бұрын
It help from explotion, better than single layer.
@patrykb_
@patrykb_ 5 ай бұрын
meanwhile the Italians and their Ariete...
@mhill88ify
@mhill88ify 4 ай бұрын
I think the takeaway here is that you can use significantly less "heavy plate" materials and still get nearly the same stopping power. Admittedly, I'm someone who doesn't know much about real world armor and such, but it makes sense that there could indeed be different materials in between the gaps could also interact with the projectile better than air (fiberglass it sounds like). Plus it's going to be lighter as well. If they didn't realize they could gap it, it would be heavier, costlier, and about as effective stopping power.
@louiscypher4186
@louiscypher4186 4 ай бұрын
​@@mhill88ify Whilst weight and cost savings are good. That's not the biggest advantage of spaced armour. Spaced armour's main benefit is sloping. Imagine you had a 200mm sq space to fill in with armour. Nothing can over hang the space, everything has to stay within that space. If we want to slope a solid block of armour we have no choice but shave the block down. So we would have less armour at the top compared to the base. With sloped armour we can angle each piece within the block so we have the same level of protection top to bottom.
@madenity
@madenity 5 ай бұрын
This music makes me feel the need to build a spacecraft
@thespectre5403
@thespectre5403 5 ай бұрын
i have a good name for it what sbout "untitled spacecraft"?
@JeremiahClickyTheAvianHellam
@JeremiahClickyTheAvianHellam 3 ай бұрын
Shitfuck 2
@madenity
@madenity 3 ай бұрын
@@thespectre5403 My god That’s the best name for my craft
@gamering2354
@gamering2354 Ай бұрын
how about "slop shart 5"​@@thespectre5403
@lucid5183
@lucid5183 3 ай бұрын
Absolutely love the music. Sent me back to when I used to play KSP day in, day out.
@richardwedlock9526
@richardwedlock9526 5 ай бұрын
this is accurate for rolled homogeneous armour however the reason why all modern tanks use spaced armour is the ability to use super hard materials like depleted uranium and ceramics with a filler inbetween.
@manuel.camelo
@manuel.camelo 5 ай бұрын
Get KERBALIZED 👁️👃👁️🙏
@Crimsonglazer_nr1
@Crimsonglazer_nr1 5 ай бұрын
0:26 me too bro
@Eggmayor
@Eggmayor 5 ай бұрын
💀
@MCX_San
@MCX_San 5 ай бұрын
Can relate
@WTC-NYC
@WTC-NYC 5 ай бұрын
Can't. I got about 10.
@IOverlord
@IOverlord 4 ай бұрын
So small that my gf still has her v-card (no gf, only waifu)
@6mohsen9
@6mohsen9 4 ай бұрын
that's half a meter wdym you relate??
@javiermozomoreno7331
@javiermozomoreno7331 5 ай бұрын
KSP music hits hard
@ovrsurge4689
@ovrsurge4689 5 ай бұрын
Its actually Kevin Mcleod music. Royalty free.
@ovrsurge4689
@ovrsurge4689 5 ай бұрын
The only original music in the original KSP is the main menu music.
@yellonekpl737
@yellonekpl737 5 ай бұрын
@@ovrsurge4689 Well no shit Sherlock, but KSP is what most people associate this music with
@ovrsurge4689
@ovrsurge4689 5 ай бұрын
@@yellonekpl737 Sorry, I kind of associate it with cheap mobile games from the 2013-2016 time frame that my siblings would play that regularly used the music as well.
@cortexoftheego4568
@cortexoftheego4568 5 ай бұрын
it sound cute
@matthewlloyd3255
@matthewlloyd3255 5 ай бұрын
My first thought, which may be incorrect, goes back to my early materials engineering classes in the early 1990s - a crack in a piece of solid material can basically split apart with little effort, but actually starting the crack to occur takes a bit more work. So if you have a single solid piece and a shell or something puts a crack in the surface, that crack can spread through and it can shatter a lot more easily than if you have to put a 'crack' into multiple surfaces one after the other in order to break something.
@DreadX10
@DreadX10 4 ай бұрын
This type of penetration doesn't depend much on cracks forming. The strength of the material is over-powered a couple of 100 times over at the spot where the penetrator builds up pressure. It is this pressure that moves material out of the way of the penetrator. Basically you throw a bunch of (relative loosely) held together atoms at a similar target of atoms and you play high pressure pinball with them.
@BadTankCmndrWTM
@BadTankCmndrWTM 9 күн бұрын
Bro might have woken up a community with the song choice KSP :]
@Greywander87
@Greywander87 4 ай бұрын
With the spaced armor, it would actually be easier and cheaper to replaced the damaged armor plates, while you could leave any still intact plates. With the solid armor, the whole plate would have to be replaced. In the simulation here, you might want to replace all four plates anyway, even through the fourth one was barely scratched, but this wouldn't always be the case. You'd have plenty of times when only 1 or 2 plates are penetrated. This is more or less the same principle behind a brigandine vs. a breastplate. While the breastplate is slightly stronger, the brigandine's many plates are easier to replace/repair.
@amilo5
@amilo5 4 ай бұрын
A solid penetrator sabot is designed to penetrate spaced armor. Spaced armor is made against HEAT rounds and stopping fragmentation of penetrating material. So even if the armor is penetrated the spacings can reduce lethality.
@NoobNoobNews
@NoobNoobNews 5 ай бұрын
Spaced armor needs to be spaced out further than the length of the dart. The purpose is to bend the dart and snap it in half before it enters the second set. You can see this happen as the dart enters the last two plates.
@notachair4757
@notachair4757 29 күн бұрын
^This (Also, you wouln't go wrong making the inner plates out of HHA)
@karxpoland5958
@karxpoland5958 5 ай бұрын
Different angle between solid armor and spaced armor. Yes, whether the armor is tilted towards the projectile or away from it makes difference
@joseag3477
@joseag3477 4 ай бұрын
I was wondering why nobody was talking about it, it seems that people just don't notice it
@CrimsonScar-1
@CrimsonScar-1 5 ай бұрын
1:20 The APFSDS is hitting the spaced armour from the rear. It should be hitting it from the front, as it’s the most common impact direction.
@Tadesan
@Tadesan 4 ай бұрын
Turn your phone upside down
@richardbossman9875
@richardbossman9875 5 ай бұрын
I wonder if these simulations take into account the slightly harder surface hardening of the multiple faces with the spaced armor vs the single hardened face of the solid block.
@ShuRugal
@ShuRugal 5 ай бұрын
at the velocity these sabot rounds arrive, hardness is irrelevant. these rounds rely on concentrating extreme kinetic energy onto a tiny point in order to melt their way through. hardness does nothing to change the energy required to melt the armor.
@justjako9145
@justjako9145 5 ай бұрын
​@@ShuRugalapfsds does not melt armor nor does HEAT do They just perforate it
@ShuRugal
@ShuRugal 5 ай бұрын
@justjako9145 how do you think that perforation works? what do you think happens to metal when you yeet it out of the way of an incoming projectile in a couple microsecond? it melts.
@JaneDoe-dg1gv
@JaneDoe-dg1gv 5 ай бұрын
@@ShuRugalThey do not melt. The metal is plastically deformed by the pressure of impact.
@ShuRugal
@ShuRugal 5 ай бұрын
@@JaneDoe-dg1gv uh huh. there's definitely no melting involved when you apply over 7 megajoules of kinetic energy to a 4-cm diameter patch of metal.
@kgb4973
@kgb4973 5 ай бұрын
Spaced armor is designed against HEAT projectiles
@Mandorle21
@Mandorle21 5 ай бұрын
It's designed against literally everything.
@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785
@pex_the_unalivedrunk6785 5 ай бұрын
Hmmm...interesting. However, because only the last little bit of the round hits the inner plate, the crew probably feels and hears less of a BONK though. it may be closer to penning, but won't seem as much of an emotional event because the gaps absorbed more of the concussive force from the kinetic energy being expelled.
@Manuelslayor
@Manuelslayor 5 ай бұрын
To understand why spaced armor has no effect and is even detrimental we need to understand how spaced armor works when its effective. Spaced armour works in diferent ways and often in a combination of those ways pretaining to AP. 1. Seting the fuzze early on an APHE 2. Striping the cap on APC making the round more prone to shatering on impact reducing penetration. 3. Destabilizing the round in its flight path. The first 2 can not apply to APFSDS while the third can. But the spacing needs to be larger than the lenght of the rod or what remains for it to destabilize. Which it never quite is this simulation. Multiple plates is detrimental here as pushing material to the side is very hard but not so much out the back as there is no material to suport it. It is also rarley used today as AP protection as you can have more effective an reliable composite armour in its place with the same space aforded. I belive the only modern tank which uses this against APFSDS of main battle tank calibers are the modern leopard tanks.
@KiluaRotmg
@KiluaRotmg 4 ай бұрын
Akubar lives in all our heads rent-free
@Bewew1
@Bewew1 5 ай бұрын
This video casually summoning last 50 ksp players
@thespectre5403
@thespectre5403 3 ай бұрын
more like matt lowne viewers
@ugandaknuckle3129
@ugandaknuckle3129 5 ай бұрын
i crazy how life purpose for some people in yt was to say "0 view 30 seccond fell of" i mean, dude almost every KZbinr has the same problem with yt algorithm + what amount of view do you expect a video would get in 30 seccond
@Victor-xm
@Victor-xm 5 ай бұрын
It's said as a joke, don't take it so seriously
@ugandaknuckle3129
@ugandaknuckle3129 5 ай бұрын
How does joke like that even funny
@trannguyenthevu339
@trannguyenthevu339 5 ай бұрын
​@microwavedbananapeelsfirst few times are ok But every video now has 2 billion comments like that and it's not okay 😭
@12sleep23
@12sleep23 5 ай бұрын
Lmao chill
@BlackoutGootraxian
@BlackoutGootraxian 5 ай бұрын
@@Victor-xm But when its repeated tons of times on every new video, it gets annoying. People are so desperate for likes they will do ANYTHING for it, its the only reason why this dumb trend exists.
@MikeeCZ
@MikeeCZ 5 ай бұрын
Very interesting, would be great to see varying spacing (air layer) to allow the rod to misalign from its flight path more.
@MrSlonokot
@MrSlonokot 4 ай бұрын
I really didn't expect the backround music to be from KSP bro 🤣
@Internetzspacezshipz
@Internetzspacezshipz 5 ай бұрын
I wonder about doing another equivalent test, but with 1. 50mm outer plate at 45 degrees as in the video 2. A bunch of thin (10-25mm) internal plates angled at 80-85 degrees 3. Another 50mm inner plate at 45 degrees And, of course, the line of sight armor thickness still adding up to the same amount. I wonder if this design would cause the projectile to deflect at all, possibly spreading the energy over a wider area.
@notachair4757
@notachair4757 5 ай бұрын
This could be very interesting
@ЕвгенийМалков-к5з
@ЕвгенийМалков-к5з 5 ай бұрын
пластины 10-25мм под 80-85 градусов будут снижать кинетическую энергию лома, часть лома будет разрушена от трения поверхности пластины и эти пластины будут так же разрезать лом как нож, но, тут зависит еще от длины этих пластин, чтобы дать хорошие эффекты.
@nosabenocontesta-ps1vi
@nosabenocontesta-ps1vi 5 ай бұрын
that is very likely to deflect the projectile, since the 80-85 degrees armour increases the armor value to even double or triple it
@tuskenterkel9917
@tuskenterkel9917 Ай бұрын
Please correct me if im wrong, but isnt depleated urainum used as ammo spesificly because of the atomic structure in the uranium flacing of during impact, creating a self sharpening effect wich would make it penetrate more efficiently through the armor. And to me the simulation like there isnt anny sharpening😢 Ps super entertaining video, love these kind of videos. KEEP IT UP my man!
@lunchbox1553
@lunchbox1553 5 ай бұрын
This is a very simplistic simulation that ignores entire forces.
@vladthecon
@vladthecon 4 ай бұрын
Where’s the remnants of the bullet or is this a fin stabilized dissolving sabot
@andjeybillver7189
@andjeybillver7189 5 ай бұрын
Все уже написали мб про это, но: разнесенная броня была нужна против кумулятивный снарядов, может фугасных и каморных - все они должны были детонировать из-за раснесенной брони не об сам корпус
@anonymuz796
@anonymuz796 5 ай бұрын
На счёт кумулятивных может и не сработать если это бронебойно-кумулятивные и "струя" не успеет рассеяться.
@andjeybillver7189
@andjeybillver7189 5 ай бұрын
@@anonymuz796 само само собой, но против ранних, должно быть, работало
@Vazgen_Surminov
@Vazgen_Surminov 5 ай бұрын
Ну против кинетики тоже использовались, особенно броня которая сейчас на всех танках, она точно такая же слоистая, только вместо воздуха между металлом керамика, стеклотекстолит и ещё прочее ​@@andjeybillver7189
@Ikbeneengeit
@Ikbeneengeit 4 ай бұрын
I get the strange urge to design a rocket.
@Phoenix58585
@Phoenix58585 5 ай бұрын
Spaced armor: 😩 Solid armor: “Is it in yet?”
@munastronaut8147
@munastronaut8147 5 ай бұрын
Yo wtf
@nothingnothing8503
@nothingnothing8503 5 ай бұрын
sick with internet any bastard their humor rubbish.
@reliantbelial2341
@reliantbelial2341 5 ай бұрын
​@@nothingnothing8503sure you right this words order are is ?
@malice5863
@malice5863 4 ай бұрын
​@@reliantbelial2341 Think I wrong is that the order
@thathandsomedevil0828
@thathandsomedevil0828 5 ай бұрын
Just stumbled on this channel but love how every one here is dialed into this stuff. It's definitely interesting to regard!! :)
@Dariel77Angel
@Dariel77Angel 4 ай бұрын
Suddenly I have the urge to call a student to the office and order some butter beer with the next owl...
@dexterjsullen
@dexterjsullen 3 ай бұрын
Now add nylon armor in the space and wrapped around solid
@HenrycSchlangen
@HenrycSchlangen 3 ай бұрын
The strength of stand off armor (spaced armor) is that it's supposed to be off placed further then the distance of the projectile it is defending against. This is because when the penetrator breaks past the first layer its flight becomes destabilized and the sharp pointy end usually ends up facing a direction other then towards the surface it is trying to break through. The issue with your simulator is that the two armor slabs in the middle were actually helping to keep the kinetic penetrator stable and horizontal.
@gus9797
@gus9797 3 ай бұрын
Next time a half meter long depleted uranium pole is flying my way, I'll know what to block it with
@goldcoast8549
@goldcoast8549 3 ай бұрын
depleted uranium? yeah bro's gonna be having a field day with that
@danieltan7344
@danieltan7344 Ай бұрын
I think one overlooked part here is in the spaced armor ones, the dart already start to tumble at the third plate. Simulating with more penetration might reveal even more interesting result imho
@shamalow1819
@shamalow1819 3 ай бұрын
With that music I was expecting the projectile to go sideway and hit mission control
@igorordecha
@igorordecha 4 ай бұрын
Thanks I'll keep that in mind when my Komatsu D355A finally arrives at my shop.
@sebastiaomendonca1477
@sebastiaomendonca1477 4 ай бұрын
I will never be able to unhear the KSP VAB ambience in this
@hibana364
@hibana364 3 ай бұрын
Would be nice to see how it goes against a gradually increased angle from plate to plate.
@sabana6666
@sabana6666 3 ай бұрын
spending 1 year in VAB trying to design a rocket, KSP moment
@mordet2
@mordet2 4 ай бұрын
oh, this song brings back some great memories. Witch trainer, my beloved.
@adornedshoe8464
@adornedshoe8464 23 күн бұрын
Better layout is a screen to detonate shaped charges (HEAT), while still having a thick slab. Even better is a composite.
@GraingyAircraft
@GraingyAircraft 4 ай бұрын
I melted the moment the music started
@ЛинарШамсиев-с5ц
@ЛинарШамсиев-с5ц 4 ай бұрын
+
@Ernestppsh
@Ernestppsh 3 ай бұрын
Расположение брони с пустым прострнством значительно усиливает стойкость от кумулитивный боеприпасов и ПТУР
@beamngtv4000
@beamngtv4000 Ай бұрын
its mainly because plates angled under not upwards and the aftermath of a collapse with shell ,shell will be positioned slightly to upwards so angle reduces by 3-5 percent
@JMurph2015
@JMurph2015 4 ай бұрын
I think the reason the spaced armor loses a bit of effectiveness is those bits of steel that are squeezed into the gaps between the plates would normally be pushing against more steel in a solid plate. So you get a little more deformation because on each layer some of the material pushes against air.
@MarsMullo1
@MarsMullo1 4 ай бұрын
Weight difference. Less weight = more speed = harder to hit accuratly. Even with same or similar protection.
@815TypeSirius
@815TypeSirius 5 ай бұрын
Cool to see people still making videos on From the Depths
@orionbarnes1733
@orionbarnes1733 3 ай бұрын
I speak for all KSP players when I say hearing that song is like a sleeper agent getting the activation code
@tcav3556
@tcav3556 3 ай бұрын
Love what you're doing here. It's fascinating and entertaining to see. I have four questions/observations. 1st, the armor is angled so why doesn't each progressive layer not have ever greater deflection as the speed/penetration capacity drops? 2nd, it notes a 2.7% loss in protection. However, it appears to be 1/3rd lighter than solid armor. Would it not be fair to say (generally) such a huge trade in weight in exchange be more than a fair exchange? 3rd, what if each layer had a backing/front plate that is thin but much harder than the main material? Lastly, how would these variations affect the common (often copper plate) ammunition?
@lordzombieboy
@lordzombieboy 4 ай бұрын
Exactly as it says. Love it!
@rastavelli
@rastavelli 5 ай бұрын
Rewatched it 3 times, I can almost swear that penetrator is accelerating when entering air gap.
@V-X0010
@V-X0010 4 ай бұрын
I agree
@duvagr007
@duvagr007 2 ай бұрын
With this stating it's a DU round... I don't know how easy this would be to input into the sim because I'm not that smart, but it's my understanding that instead of 'mushrooming' as the rod penetrates the armor as in a tungsten rod, DU actually self-sharpens and stays a fine point the entire time which helps with increasing penetration. Like tungsten is typically a 1:1 rod length to pen ratio, so for every mm of length on the sabot your get roughly that length of pen, but DU makes it farther because of its material properties in addition to its increased density.
@peanutman230
@peanutman230 4 ай бұрын
You can imagine my suprise when i click this video out of boredom to find people discussing tank armor, ammunition penetration and different types of penetration Also i thought depleted uranium being used as armor was bullshit science made up in mgsv 😭
@Marco-cg7fb
@Marco-cg7fb 4 ай бұрын
the kerbal space program music is something else xD
@santiagotorrezsegarra7790
@santiagotorrezsegarra7790 4 ай бұрын
applause for the discovery of negative air resistance
@Bestreducer
@Bestreducer 5 ай бұрын
layered armor exists because something tricky (like rubber against that uranium shells) can be put between plates. It's about types of destruction and negation of them. 1.03x isn't much if there will be some tricky layers
@l.manoelsousa3468
@l.manoelsousa3468 Күн бұрын
Jeb's Junkyard is now testing tank armor
@Normandy-e8i
@Normandy-e8i 5 ай бұрын
I don't believe this simulation accurately represents the slowdown that the projectile would experience with the second armour
@ashishIMpro
@ashishIMpro 3 ай бұрын
The amount of innovation we put into killing one another is insane. LOL
@Strike2-9245
@Strike2-9245 4 ай бұрын
It's been a while since I've been into kerbal, but... that hits hard. All hail the Deep Space Kraken
@Scarletraven87
@Scarletraven87 4 ай бұрын
this is simple to explain. Spaced armor works by shattering the projectile. In the gaps the fragments spread out a bit and splash on a larger area as the projectile lost integrity. A dart however is too narrow and fast to shatter and spread.
@zhoufang996
@zhoufang996 5 ай бұрын
Yeah, I think battleship armour manufacturers realised this much earlier because solid armour was superior to laminate. You see a lot of claims about spaced armour (e.g. the German WWII skirts) when most of the time the "spaced armour" is just additional thickness and would probably have been better if the original armour was a little bit thicker or face hardened properly, especially once you consider the issues with increased size, mud getting stuck in it etc. To actually have a benefit you need to be facing off versus particular types of ammo (I bet this stuff is great vs HESH) or doing something weird with composite materials.
@AaronCMounts
@AaronCMounts 5 ай бұрын
It was also effective in the 1940s because most armor piercing rounds had delayed-detonation fuzes in their warheads. The external layer would cause the warhead to detonate against the surface of the armor, rather than punch through first and detonate inside the target.
@Gustav_Kuriga
@Gustav_Kuriga 4 ай бұрын
Most of the time the "spaced armor" of the type you talk about (skirts) weren't meant for stopping shells, they were meant for stopping anti-tank grenades and anti-material rifles.
@benjamincasatimcintosh2918
@benjamincasatimcintosh2918 3 ай бұрын
music got me checking the staging of my rocket
@xevious4142
@xevious4142 5 ай бұрын
Interesting to see how the main determinant of penetration for apfsds is projectile length and not velocity. You can see it running out of mass.
@NightBeWheat
@NightBeWheat 5 ай бұрын
This music often plays when i design unethical torture devices for little green men
@leviofun210
@leviofun210 4 ай бұрын
I like how arrow just evaporates upon touching armor
@sneakydoom
@sneakydoom 5 ай бұрын
I would like to see striated solid armor vs single material solid armor. Like multiple instances of more rigid material could assist in deflection compared to a singular material makeup.
@bobjoeferson5270
@bobjoeferson5270 5 ай бұрын
I may be some random person on the intergoobles who doesn't know much about anything, but I had a thought. On the spaced armor, what if you did the same test, but instead of all of the armor at the same angle to each other, (i.e. / / / /) what if you did alternating angels (i.e. \ / \ / or / \ / \). I think that it might be interesting to see the results of a test like that. Anyways....cool video, and thanks for sharing!
@comradeboris2335
@comradeboris2335 5 ай бұрын
that fin does not behave like DU should. instead of self sharpening the shell mushrooms outwards like tungsten would, so i feel like its more apropriate to label it as a tungsten round
@jasoncolson3100
@jasoncolson3100 4 ай бұрын
I noticed this, as well. The fissure created should decrease in diameter as the du projectile "shaves itself" as it traverses the plate(s).
@comradeboris2335
@comradeboris2335 4 ай бұрын
@@jasoncolson3100 exactly
@shaka2tu
@shaka2tu 5 ай бұрын
Remember, solidarmor hold their integrity together for another hit. While spaced armor can break or detached after being hit.
@ollep9142
@ollep9142 5 ай бұрын
The spacing distance can add some serious protection if it's large enough, say >100m between each plate...
@AffectionateForestHills-mx8sw
@AffectionateForestHills-mx8sw 4 ай бұрын
Aww so cute I'm gonna give my little brother this toy
@8AAFFF
@8AAFFF 3 ай бұрын
KSP mods out of control 😭🙏
@thatguy_5240
@thatguy_5240 5 ай бұрын
the spaces in the armor allows the round the retain more energy while passing through the armor, which leads to more pen. I've seen this test when people shoot spaced wood blocks vs a solid block and its the same conclusion there
@eleithias
@eleithias 15 күн бұрын
Why did you model shooting into the spaced at the decline angle, not that it would change anything, but makes the presentation feel nonparallel and might confuse some?
@eleithias
@eleithias 15 күн бұрын
Also, please excuse my ignorance, but I do jot understand what the different colors in the different renders mean, could you please explain?
@samtk5759
@samtk5759 15 күн бұрын
The comments about the music are like the matrix pills 🔵: "Kerbal Space Program" 🔴: "My little Teardrop" You must pick wisely
@imapopo2924
@imapopo2924 5 ай бұрын
Man, DU SABOTs have a terrifying amount of penetrating power. Looked like it was cutting through it like a hot knife through butter and only failed because it ran out of penetrator.
@the_jingo
@the_jingo 5 ай бұрын
This’s why composite armor have ceramics between armor plates to absorb kinetic energy
@samuellucario2342
@samuellucario2342 5 ай бұрын
Spaced also takes up more space for the same thickness, but is also easier to replace if hit
@bhs2423
@bhs2423 Ай бұрын
worth the 2.7% less protection from apfsds if you get a whole lot more protection from heat munitions.
@notlegoguy2511
@notlegoguy2511 4 ай бұрын
I should be asleep, but I have to watch Spaced Armor Vs Solid Armor Simulation!!!
@RinksRides
@RinksRides 3 ай бұрын
NASA uses spaced armor to protect against micrometeorites traveling at 10's of of kilometers per second but the spacecraft can't just have heavy, thick armor.
@VKURDR
@VKURDR 4 ай бұрын
haha, thought i was reading "space armor" when i clicked this video
@ret7army
@ret7army 5 ай бұрын
IIRC spaced armor came about just before chobham. The big worry of the time was defeating HEAT rounds although the effects of a APFSDS DU round are inerestin
@i_am_jarvistm7220
@i_am_jarvistm7220 4 ай бұрын
I think the advantage I'm seeing here is that with ONE plate, you have to replace the whole thing, but with MULTIPLE plates for the same total thickness of material, you can portion out the damaged layers instead of having to replace the whole thing... At least I think that's the reasoning... Edit: Typo
@earthsyliongco9097
@earthsyliongco9097 3 ай бұрын
this background song is so nostalgic
@bengieDMZ
@bengieDMZ 5 ай бұрын
You didn’t search for this video. This video searched for You
@obeastness
@obeastness 5 ай бұрын
I'm surprised to see no backface deformation at all in the first test against the solid block. I thought there would be quite a bit.
@ДАРТАНЬЯН-з2щ
@ДАРТАНЬЯН-з2щ 4 ай бұрын
STOP REPEATING SAME THING OVER
@MarsMullo1
@MarsMullo1 4 ай бұрын
I think the difference was hardened face front or back position?
@flashfire0375
@flashfire0375 3 ай бұрын
what is a sabot but a short spear going very fast?
@ДАРТАНЬЯН-з2щ
@ДАРТАНЬЯН-з2щ 3 ай бұрын
@@flashfire0375 WHAT DO YOU MEAN?
@Mctrrt1
@Mctrrt1 4 ай бұрын
The KSP music caught me off guard
@5co756
@5co756 5 ай бұрын
Would be interesting with conventional AP rounds , like the side skirts of the Germans to stop the 14.5mm Soviet AT rifles .
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