Vulcans Encounter Shadow Vessel

[@tcsmagicbox]

Half way through the video and you finally remembered that Vulcan ships have shields.

[@joet7136]

Been watching your videos for years now. You've come a long way from your early videos! Nice work.

[@concernedcanadian6683]

WOW !!! Vulcans in B5 space, that's going to be - fascinating..

[@robertrowe9832]

WOW! I’m not sure where to even start! First, this was AMAZING! Your best work in a while. The story was consistent and on point! The new opening credits were amazing! The crash into the city completely unexpected! You outdid yourself today! Still one of the best original content follows on here! Thank you so much for this!

[@The53BILL]

I’d like to see the Shadows go up against the Cylons and as well The Borg! 🙏🙏 I enjoy watching these short vids

[@robertrowe9832]

Thanks!

[@tjs114]

Why would the White Stars 'fall' out of hyperspace like that? The B5 gates only punch the entrance/exit hole, they don't create a conduit per say. That, and White Stars were unique in that they were the smallest ships that could open their own jump points. Why yes, I do remember all that from B5 when it aired originally.

[@SpacialKatana]

They were using the Vulcan stream, hyperspace in B5 is red and looks very different.

[@m.h.6470]

that would also explain, why the destruction of the gates is so "uneventful". The B5 gates have MASSIVE amount of energy stored and destroying them (as seen in the show) causes a gigantic explosion.

[@bryanlarson1605]

based on the warp drive alternative they were developing for the Federation Pre-Burn?@@SpacialKatana

[@AlexanderWright1]

Perhaps because it's cross universe?

[@AlexanderWright1]

Great visual storytelling. I'd love to see this as a cross over episode, with full cast.

[@VorlonAngel]

this is some of your best work my friend. Nicely done!!!🖖

[@jpadicecoffee9812]

Well done Special Katana. Long wait. Happy Thanksgiving to all from Earth...

[@SpacialKatana]

Happy holidays!

[@TheMyrrdin81]

Beautifully done… really amazing 🎉❤

[@duncanwebster3281]

Great job!! And very nice to see the Shadows using their mastery of hyperspace to do hit and fade attacks.

[@marckrieger3277]

Some one read the og thrawn trilogy, a men of culture!

[@keyboardt8276]

​@@marckrieger3277what does it have to do with Thrawn though?

[@marckrieger3277]

@@keyboardt8276 Its called hit and run, only in the thrawn they call it Hit and fade, as far as i know.

[@keyboardt8276]

​@@marckrieger3277ah OK 👍

[@txlyons2937]

The models, particularly the White Stars, looked really good.

[@SpacialKatana]

WS model is 23 years old :)

[@andrewinglis2069]

KZbin really needs a Brilliant button as well. Absolutely fantatstic

[@acebrandon3522]

Marvelous, just plainly Marvelous!!!!! 🤩

[@warrenreid6109]

Great visual story telling. The words used on screen added to the context of the story in a positive way.

[@SpacialKatana]

Cheers

[@benitosalazar3749]

One of your best ones yet!!! Great work!!

[@digggerrjones7345]

Bravo, Bravo, Bravo!!! *finally* a longer form video!! It's long overdue in my opinion and I find myself starting to "warm-up" to the cross contamination of the different origins. Your sheer bravery in doing this shit is really impressive, and I am always happy to get a notification from YT for a new video. Keep it up??

[@nickwest1337]

This reminds me of how good a composer Chris Franke is. Got the soundtracks on CD when they were released. Haven't listened in decades. Excellent video too.

[@MiguelAJeffery]

These are decades old!? The music to this, especially once the battle starts brewing, is so epic

[@SpacialKatana]

Early 90's dude ;)

[@craigestrella2277]

Excellent, your video's are ramping up to an all new level 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥

[@stephanbateman5410]

LOved this, natural it is upto your usual brilliant standards

[@MiguelAJeffery]

That’s beautiful! Even if folks don’t agree with the outcome. Personally, the D looked so majestic coming in and saving the day, and being the Galaxy-class is my favorite… 😃

[@stevencohen624]

Great job! Thanks for uploading this. 😊

[@peterollerton3472]

Nicely done what the Enterprise wouldn't be able to touch a shadow ship, millions of years ahead of a the federation

[@Revenge_of_Ming]

I'm afraid you are miles off the mark there buddy, fed tech is miles ahead of b5 tech including the shadows

[@markmurphy4056]

@@peterollerton3472 At best they were 1000 years above current B5 Earth technology, we saw evidence when B4 was sent back to that era to help in the previous war.

[@marckrieger3277]

I swear to the non exixting good, seeing shadow ships blowing stuff up never gets old to me! Also nice touch letting the enterprise open a hyperspace window with her deflector this thing is starfleets swiss army knive it can do everything the plot need it to do.

[@SpacialKatana]

' it can do everything the plot need it to do' Glad I'm not the only one that thinks that :)

[@sinisterminister6478]

Hey Starfleet engineers can make replicators out of rocks remember.😂

[@SpacialKatana]

🤣@@sinisterminister6478

[@xaviercast970]

Species 8472 vs The Shadows. Now that would be an interesting match up. The Shadows would be wiped out within 22 seconds after the encounter. No Chance.

[@doubtful_form]

If we're mixing your chocolate with peanut butter, you got to throw in a blast from the SDF Macross😊 Beautifully done, must been a labor of love

[@SpacialKatana]

Honestly, I just got a model of the Vulcan ship and ran with it... I like ship designs that don't look like a frisbee and 2 toilet rolls.

[@jonbutcher9805]

Is subspace and hyperspace the same or different in this reality.

[@jimwatson2755]

Great job. Loved coming home from work to find this! Makes the day! Qapla!

[@warrenrudolph4475]

The Big E saves the day again! Never forget the name Enterprise!

[@darkmatter1152]

That was Big D. Enterprise D

[@keyboardt8276]

​@@darkmatter1152big D energy

[@darkmatter1152]

@@keyboardt8276 D&E are badass, mad firepower. Then true enterprise G is the ECLIPSE CLASS

[@keyboardt8276]

​@@darkmatter1152maybe you haven't watched Picard yet but I've got news for you... 😉

[@darkmatter1152]

@@keyboardt8276 I know seen it all but that was wrong to change titan a to ent g. Look up eclipse class absolutely badass

[@gregm9230]

Beautiful! 🌹 Thank you!

[@gordonai5803]

That was great, really well done!

[@darrenscott4150]

Finally excellent, thank you.

[@MOrab46019]

Thank you.

[@OOTurok]

So how is it Whitestars can get disabled in subspace, if a jumpgate is destroyed, when they can open their own jumpgates while in subspace?

[@wolfgangjr74]

That was a fun one. Thank you yet again.

[@paullowman9131]

Yay!! For the Enterprise!!

[@SpacialKatana]

Didn't she do well 🤗

[@blueneptune-u8z]

Thank you ..This was Epic

[@dirdib69]

Good stuff - I think it's the first time I've seen someone actually show that Trek deflector shields would offer at least brief protection against the Shadow energy beam.

[@SpacialKatana]

No no no, that's all wrong. A federation runabout would cream a shadow vessel 😉........🤣🤣

[@BHarmon_1776]

Great Video, good to see the team up !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@thegodofcycle216]

What. A Shadow warship would have handed their arses to them. Remember that Shadow technology is ment to be a million years more advanced.

[@kenjett2434]

True but time isn't the biggest factor in advancement. Humans way surpassed Vulcans rate of advancement thus why Vulcans feared them. Even in real life look at rate of advancement we have made in last 120 years. We know from B5 that shadows advance very slow with little to no advancement from the great war 1,000 years earlier.

[@Zanair]

Let’s also not forget the force setup here. An Earth Alliance vessel with a squadron of Thunderbolt Starfuries and a squadron of White Star destroyers supporting the Vulcans. EA and Ranger forces, post Shadow War, would have had at least one telepath on board to disrupt Shadow vessels per ship. Also, the B5 universe doesn’t have the benefit of shielding (even the ancient Shadows and Vorlons). So the brute force of hitting it with a photon torpedo would have devastated them.

[@Martiandawn]

The Shadows developed space travel a million years earlier, but there is no reason to assume their technology advanced continuously during the millennia that followed. In fact, we know that they spent extensive periods in hibernation in between the times of war. That said, humans and Minbari in B5 developed ships that could almost match the Shadow - and with telepaths aboard could actually beat them. It isn't much of a stretch to think a Vulcan or Starfleet ship could hold its own against a Shadow vessel.

[@scottbraun2457]

I ..was also going to complain about how slow the Vulcan ships were to retaliate..loosing 3 of 4 ships, before dishing out the force that they should have sooner.. As for the ENTERPRISE, wiping out the SHADDOW ship. It was already worn down by the time she got there. Still, typically, she's sharp and solid enough take it in the face a bit, then adapt for a successful and superior offense. This is a regular thing for the ENTERPRISE D.

[@phankoi7814]

The Vulcan are just as old

[@Strato13]

Oh damn, Photon torpedos destroyed a Shadow? You nerfed the shadows or what? or did you Buff the Federation? Great video..

[@SpacialKatana]

Both!

[@shanenolan5625]

They are 25 megaton warheads

[@Keemperor40K]

Shields make all the difference and Trek is using anti-matter warheads. Without shields Trek ships fall as easily as any younger races ships (unless they have ablative armor like Defiant), but shields give Trek ships a window of opportunity to fight back (just not a very big one). Also the Shadow vessel had been weakened by the assault of the other 3 ships, so it couldn't defend itself as effectively as it normally would. Plus Photon Torpedoes are about 30-40 megatons/shot, so they are no joke in terms of fighting power, even against Shadows. For context in B5 a Vree saucer was able to down a Shadow Vessel in a single volley, using it's anti-matter projector cannons, a Photon Torpedo is a more contained version of said weapon, but the end result is similar, just delivered differently.

[@keyboardt8276]

​@@Keemperor40KFederation starship hulls are reinforced by structural integrity fields and have been shown to be really tough as well

[@driftbandit4740]

​@@keyboardt8276, that fact obviously didn't help the Enterprise D during Star Trek Generations if you recall.

[@GregoryElliott1973]

Id love to see the shadows go against the Borg

[@Spawn-td8bf]

If the Borg were able to somehow assimilate a shadow, heaven help them all. Would be "most interesting" though.

[@michellekotts2312]

A pont ive been making 1 borg cube would assimilate the entire b5 universe

[@torg2126]

​@@Spawn-td8bf the Shadow might just counter assimilate them, they are pretty good at subversion

[@Spawn-td8bf]

@@torg2126 Now THAT would " be most interesting". And even scarier. Although species " 8472 " terrified the Borg, the Borg being helpless on their own against them, so the shadows may indeed give them a run for their money.

[@ShadowDevotion]

Borg would stand no Chance. While a Shadow Crab Vessel might hold some kind of Technology, its still organic. Same with the Pilot of the Vessel. The Shadows are an extremely strong Force, could compete against Species 8472. Also, the Vessel could just disappear. But even the Shadows or the Vorlons arent the strongest or most advanced. The Third Space Aliens are truly terrifying. All Psychics, with even the very small "Battle Ships" of them might be able to defeat 8472. Too bad we never saw what the bigger Ship would have been able to do.

[@skuggsja6020]

It would be really crazy if the ST universe got some of the shadow tech and developed hybrids like EA did in B5. ;)

[@theidajawho]

It would be really cool if the ST ships weapons worked.

[@alphanerd2305]

​@@theidajawho In typical crossovers, Star Trek phaser weapons would've shredded things, but I suspect the depiction against a Shadow ship is probably fairly accurate if these are indeed early era Vulcan ships. The Enterprise-D's torpedoes would obliterate anything in the B5 universe; a universe where nuclear weapons are often considered the big bad WMD.

[@theidajawho]

@@alphanerd2305 and what about ship shields?

[@alphanerd2305]

@@theidajawho Excellent point. It strikes me that the Star Trek shield system would survive quite a bit of pounding from weapons in B5. Even early era Vulcan ships had a solid shield system in comparison to other Trek races. But without knowing the in-universe explanation for how Shadow weapons work, it's hard for me to hazard a guess beyond that.

[@theidajawho]

@@alphanerd2305 But the shields should at least be there. All of these B5 - Star Wars - Star Trek crossovers almost never take Star Trek shields into account. And lets not even talk about what a Star Trek transporter system would do to unshielded ships. "Transporter Room, beam a Quantum torpedo to their bridge"...lol

[@kevinwestrom4775]

Great work in your animation done there.

[@delljohnston9641]

What I liked was the starfield background ACTUALLY showing the Milky Way in the background as compared to the generic black field full of stars.

[@SpacialKatana]

Useful for silhouette when light is behind ships and camera in front helps the viewer and of course looks nice ;)

[@diamondjim7560]

The Vulcan Science Academy has determined there is no such thing as shadows. 🖖

[@SpacialKatana]

That's....going by this 'factual' film, is illogical, captain.

[@diamondjim7560]

@@SpacialKatana Fascinating.

[@UltraKryptonian]

I recognized the Vulcan ships, but who were in the gray ship? And why did the Space Crab allow the gray ship to launch fighters against it, while targeting Vulcan science ships instead? 🤔

[@fhtmbdh]

very nice video,, thank you.

[@scottbraun2457]

Well made show.! However. Wondering what's with the Vulcan ships taking so long to fight back.?

[@SpacialKatana]

Normally it'd be clipped with live action footage and make a whole lot more sense...plot..drama..etc

[@scottbraun2457]

@@SpacialKatana ..."plot"... rrrright..!..I forgot. Vulcan..logic..occasionally enormously thick headed..but good calculators. Oh well. There goes their ship building budget for the month.

[@johnkeviljr9625]

Great vid!

[@jaredcolon4535]

What kind of hyper space travel was that for the B5 ships? Some sort of Hyper space Express Slipway

[@brianpeterson5559]

That was really good 🖖 Thanks

[@gardenlostbooks]

Amazing!

[@philgonzalez5953]

Freaking awesome!!!!! 👍👍👍👍👍

[@durchhalter]

Maybe the Vulcans should have blocked the Shadow Vessels telepathically!

[@dwightbutler2221]

useing betaizeds

[@max10eb]

Very Cool, Thank You. love B5 and trek, all that was missing was a Battle star :), just kidding. the video was perfect.

[@kevinmurphy65]

awesome! Well done!

[@SpacialKatana]

Thank you! Cheers!

[@MAZE4]

Very well done, congratulations.

[@michellemurray5196]

AMAZING TO THE MAX I LOVE THE WHITESTARS. i was kinda worried the other two wouldn't make it out

[@michellemurray5196]

Love the new intro btw

[@gerrymichaud3851]

excellent work.

[@jonbutcher9805]

Amazing visuals.

[@SpacialKatana]

Thanks.

[@Phatbiker1]

The shadows vs the undine would be cool.

[@SNATCHYDBS]

I only have one gripe.... Some more sound effects little less music... Its always nice to hear plasma cannons firing in the B5 verse and the sound the Whitestars engines make .... and of course the Photon torpedoes from Enterprise !!! ... Can I ask what class of ship was the EARTH ALLIANCE cruiser was , it did not have the spinning section so I'm guessing it was the newer Warlock class with minbari tech .. ?... Great video was nice to see the cross over 👍💯

[@SpacialKatana]

Then someone comes in whining that 'there's no sound in space' Lose lose situation for me, and it's just easier not bothering with SFX, not to mention I only have about 4 B5 sounds anyways

[@SNATCHYDBS]

@@SpacialKatana not a whine , I thought that the video was amazing, I guess we get spoilt by the respective shows and get used to hearing those effects.

[@jerrycallaio5130]

That Was Good! Real GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!

[@kirkeverist1335]

Aren’t the Vulcan ships crewed by telepaths? Would a Betazoid be able to affect Shadow vessels?

[@SpacialKatana]

Betazoids are empathic, not telepathic. It's different.

[@keyboardt8276]

​@@SpacialKatanaDeanna was empathic because she was half betazoid, full betazoids are telepathic according to her mother

[@krisgonynor689]

@@keyboardt8276 Deanna could communicate telepathically with her mother as well, but not other people.

[@lesliemarshall3764]

More likely the opposite. The Shadows have been manipulating other species for millennia; they would just unlock the Vulcans' emotions and create panic.

[@shanenolan5625]

Cool

[@RemusKingOfRome]

Excellent, oh how I loved Babylon 5.

[@little-wytch]

Very interesting video. One thing has me confused, however. The 2 other white stars that seemed to get stuck in hyperspace... why was that? white stars have jump engines to get in and out of hypsespace without the need of a jump gate.

[@SpacialKatana]

They weren't in B5 hyperspace...the stream they were in collapsed when Spidey destroyed the gate.

[@little-wytch]

@@SpacialKatana ty for explaining. :)

[@SpacialKatana]

@@little-wytch No worries.

[@krisgonynor689]

Great video! The best strategy for the Vulcans and Star Fleet would be hit and run attacks from subspace, as the Shadows didn't know about it. If they had time, they could have replicated defector shield generators and given them to their new allies - their shields held up okay to the Shadows. The Big E's shields would have been even more advanced. Janeway's nanotech armor would be great too.

[@angelrivera2339]

what about the number of telepaths in the Federation like the Betazoids?

[@StickySauce101]

Borg could probably be helpful (a rare example of Borg being what the Galaxy needs to defend itself)

[@krisgonynor689]

@@angelrivera2339 It would depend on if the Shadows tried to take them over, like the did with the PSY Corps people. The Shadows conquering Vulcan or Betazed would give them an army to control the Shadow ships.

[@xaxuelx7987]

The shadows were millions of years old and you think they didn't know about subspace? They and the Vorlons knew about 3d space...

[@xaxuelx7987]

@@angelrivera2339 Betazoids were empaths and a few were telepaths like Troi's mother... a few among the Andorian but not like the level we saw on B5...

[@descendinguniverse]

battlecrab be like "Allow me to introduce myself"

[@michaeldriskell2038]

I've been killing time waiting for a PBS series to come on. This the 3rd one I've watched. So, I guess that I'm NOT "killing time " after all. 😊 ALL three have been fun to see ! Excellent graphics, good story lines, they held my attention. I watched "Star Trek " in it's original run and still watch the reruns again and again. I have 6 of the movies on VHS and the latest movies on DVD . I have two VHS " Next Generation " movies? too. But I'm NOT a " Trekkie " !! Just a Sci-Fi fan .

[@SpacialKatana]

Grew up on B5 / TNG and Voyager 👍

[@jfuller4267]

Love the video but quick question? Why would the Vulcan ship go back to the B5 universe with no return gate?

[@driftbandit4740]

Actually, there's one still in the B5 universe and the Enterprise D could still create the same wormhole from the Star Trek Universe.

[@SpacialKatana]

part 3 maybe?

[@jfuller4267]

@@SpacialKatana looking forward to it!!

[@Roy-ds8tv]

😮very good

[@briansolomon2969]

So who is in the flying box ship?

[@shanenolan5625]

Cheers

[@drosarius5929]

Very well animated. The only complaint I had was how easily that Shadow ship went down with just a couple of photon torpedoes from the Enterprise. These ships could take sustained energy beams and impact explosions from plasma based weapons like Romulan ships and shrug it off without half a dozen ships pouring on the damage. It should have taken a bit more to kill a battlecrab.

[@True000spirit]

Yeah but you know, they are from different universes so photon torpedoes might have an unexpected effect on shadow wessels

[@baxtermullins1842]

What about a phase variable quantum torpedo simply beamed to the shadow warship?

[@wwhite-hz4zv]

Great animation

[@babtech]

Looks pretty good.

[@SpacialKatana]

Ty🙃

[@gregorywatts6234]

Well done, but you saw what damage one Shadow ship did. This would d have been a slaughter if there were two or more Shadow ships.

[@bobhawkey3783]

Love everything about this! Animation, FX, music, pacing, camera work. Well done! The mesh fragmentation is something I want to do. Is this done in Unreal or Unity? Maybe blender? No matter what it's great. Congrats.

[@SpacialKatana]

Done with Lightwave 3D. Cheers.

[@genericdude6551]

Interesting combo of B5, Star Trek, and SG1.

[@ShnNar1000x]

I don't think that Shadow beams could have gotten through Vulcan shields so easily, but I guess it's possible. Remember, too, that Vulcans are powerful telepaths - that means the Shadow ships should be running in the opposite direction!

[@denisgluk431]

telepathy can really help them, but the best thing you can do is run away. Unless you're a billion-year-old civilization living entirely on a single ship, I can't imagine how you'd be able to defend against that shot or shoot back. There was always one scenario: you saw a ship of shadows, and this was the last second of your life, then you were simply cut in half, there could be no protection. The fact that any "enterprise" could damage the shadow ship is completely outlandish. Just look at the Federation and Romulus ships - they are structures made from tin cans; Such primitive ships, at best, can fight the Centauri - this is their level, approximately similar technology and economy. I wrote somewhere in another video that a shot fired by a planet killer is equivalent to several trillion tons of antimatter, otherwise it is impossible to make an object with the mass of a planet disappear. I’m really interested, the Universe is not so old, a lot of time passed there for the first stars to appear, then stars from their remains, then planets, then another billion years for the simplest evolution, can life even exist, which has an additional billion years to was there an evolution?

[@richardbradley2802]

Lovely animation, I love the crossover between Trek and B5!!!!

[@cernstormrunner7263]

i bet Vulcans and Minbari would get along well together.

[@keyboardt8276]

Doubt so, as societies they both have stiff upper lips and a "my way or the highway" attitude. While cultural similarities could lead to a good compatibility in this case it'll probably lead to more clashes... There are individual exceptions but they are just that, exceptions.

[@dwightbutler2221]

how about ferengi

[@Zagoreni02A]

Amazing work, please made third part.

[@mythos000000025]

What would be cool is to see the Vulcans, Starfleet and possibly membari work together to design and build organic ship technology. Bet they'd rival species 8472 vary quickly. THAT species would DOMINATE the shadow vessels. Just being able to stand their ground against 8472 would at least keep them from being destroyed by the shadows

[@TairnKA]

I wonder what software(s) they use to create the models and how difficult to create a ship from three models (Galaxy class/battleship, USS Reliant and NX-01)? ;-)

[@SpacialKatana]

Software used is Lightwave 3D, and splicing parts of different models together (known as kit bashing) is easy.

[@JRRodriguez-nu7po]

Excellent

[@blackterminal]

Great but would have loved to see the Earth ship with the rotation section fitted.

[@SpacialKatana]

Made loads of videos with it if you care to look.

[@CombatVeteranGer]

War, ist eine echt gute Arbeit von dir. Die Enterprise habe ich nicht erwartet, sie passt aber auch Zeitlich dort hinein. Babylon war, glaube ich 2260, ja OK, passt. Gute Action, gute Crashs. Die White Stsr Schiffe, die Erdzerstörer kennen ja die Schatten und haben schon gegen ihnen gekämpft. Mit Vulkanier hatte ich nicht gerechnet, aber korrekt.Toll 👍👍

[@SpacialKatana]

Erster deutschsprachiger Kommentar, Glückwunsch :D

[@CombatVeteranGer]

@@SpacialKatana 😁👍

[@joserubenrodriguezfuentes]

There is a Guy unfortunatelly don't remember His Channel Where He Put Diferente Spaceship Franchises to Fight each Other BSG vs Startrek Voyager Stargate Ori Ships vs Startrek and So On B5 Ships as Well to Shadows included...

[@c0linwhite489]

Nice 1💯

[@darkage5]

Did you dust off the video toaster software that they used in the original series to produce this one?

[@SpacialKatana]

I do use the same software they used (Lightwave) yes.

[@doltsbane]

How about a Shadows vs Xeelee encounter?

[@NTJ1984]

What ship is that EA looking thing? I'm trying to figure out what class it is.

[@SpacialKatana]

It's something I made to resemble an EA ship, and it's not fully finished !

[@WhiteStar762]

Groovy

[@gcelebrate1]

Awesome

[@ftlfist]

Yeah Boi!!