Spain’s Election Could Restart the Gibraltar Border Dispute

[@motysta]

Considering that Gibraltar has

[@Krolmir96]

And also a tobacco smuggling hub.

[@juancarlosquintana4737]

Also illegaly occupied, since it was never actually given, amd the people that say that it ismt important, imagine how huge it would be if spain had a tip of land in wessex or in some part of the english coast

[@Sietruc]

@@juancarlosquintana4737Luckily, Spaniards are too weak to take it back

[@you-p7j]

As Ceuta and Mlilia are legaly occupied by Spain :) Since Spain will never given Ceuta and Mililia, Gibraltar will stay UK

[@juancarlosquintana4737]

@@you-p7j they are not occupied since they were never morrocan lol, and dw, Gibraltar will come back, it just a matter of time

[@dionbaillargeon4899]

The summary of Spanish current politics is excellent. Just some minor details. Firstly, 2018 wasn't the first confidence vote in Spanish history, but the first successful no-confidence vote in the goverment (there has been many failed ones). In Spain, a no-confidence vote must include a replacement prime minister, who takes over, should the vote be sucessful. And secondly, that wasn't Sánchez's most renowned gamble, as he wasn't really risking anything. His biggest gamble was resigning his seat as MP after he was ousted as party leader in 2016 in order to compete in an open primary as an outsider, which he won against all odds.

[@Instruisto31]

It's not only Spain who consider Gibraltar as the last colony in Europe, it's the UN which considers Gibraltar so.

[@Instruisto31]

@@xunqianbaidu6917 Ceuta and Melilla were founded by Spain and Portugal in 15th century when Morocco was not a country. Gibraltar was Spanish land since it was stolen by English piracy, and then controlled as a colony.

[@yellowstokerr8555]

As a Spaniard I can say you did a great job summarizing such a complex topic as the elections. I just want to add that even though PP are still the favorites, none of the polls took in consideration the 7-10 days of campaign which have been disastrous for PP, stumbling over and over again. I still think the PP-Vox are going to win but it's going to be closer than expected, I wouldn't be surprised if PSOE-Sumar ended up winning. Edit: This is getting a lot of attention so I'm going to better summarise my point. PP is going to win, their campaign was positive in general but last week was not, last week was bad for him. PP and Vox are going to win I just think it's closer that people expect Edit 2: WHAT DID I FUCKING SAY, I fucking told you

[@ermin2248]

For what party will you vote?

[@Spamkromite]

Tienen lo que se merecen, por no eliminar mientras tuvieron la oportunidad el comercio de immigrantes con Marruecos que Felipe Gonzalez creó en 1985 🙄

[@DMEGC]

I would be very much surprised. The campaign wasn´t disastrous for PP and the polls do actually take into consideration the last 7-10 days.

[@parametr]

PP+Vox will be 1-2 MPs over/under having the majority. It's a dumb dumb decision. Everywhere where they government was a disaster, but they own most of the media...

[@jandro1565]

Dios mío, no por favor

[@ant647448336]

As someone who lives in Gibraltar, a PSOE victory would be a relief for Gibraltar. If the PP get in on their own, it would be trickier but if they get in with VOX it would be problematic.

[@Alexlinnk]

get out of our land

[@ronyobry898]

Free Gibraltar

[@prophetsnake]

Well you could always bog off back to Blighty.

[@ant647448336]

@@prophetsnake Why? The UK is miserable and in a far worse state than Gibraltar. Plus I get to make the most of the money laundering, drug smuggling and cigarette smuggling that takes place here 😉

[@internet_userr]

As someone who was the first to comment on this video, no one asked

[@bfedezl2018]

I am not British and i even an tired of the fallout caused by Brexit. The good thing about sharing borders between EU countries is that border disputes have no support by the population simply because the border is meaningless.

[@gnrseanra9070]

How is that going...EU is bankrupt... Ursula told you herself...please type in European Commission Ursula speech...it's €66 Billion shortfall...see for yourself.

[@gnrseanra9070]

I forgot the Ukraine loan my apologies please look it was a third party.

[@sueyourself5413]

@@gnrseanra9070 The EU isn't bankrupt. You keep spamming your nonsense all over the comments' section as if that's going to make it a reality. 66B for the EU is pennies. For the UK, it's a couple of Liz Truss speeches, bribery and a failed app. I'm personally happy to have 3 passports, one is from the UK, I don't use it and don't plan on renewing it. It's kind of worthless compared to a Canadian and French one.

[@bfedezl2018]

​@@gnrseanra9070 Take the meds please

[@gnrseanra9070]

@@bfedezl2018 Again please factcheck.. Or even see for yourself....love comedy and soar like an eagle 💋

[@lumi3262]

They’re really taking the anti-colonial stance, calling out the british for owning Gibraltar whilst spain themselves still owns territory in africa

[@ffi1001]

Agreed but they want their country back

[@alexlaza5301]

Anti-colonial stance my ass. Anti-colonial stance is a universal value. And that is clearly not Vox's stance at all, it is simply a territorial expansion stance. Not even mentioning they are trying to make minority regions in Spain de-facto Spanish colonies...

[@jiminverness]

@@ffi1001 _"Agreed but they want their country back"_ Who has their country now? Not the Moors.

[@klausbrinck2137]

That´s because far right people aren´t normally far-right, but they pretend to, since they see personal advantages from it. For example, we know, that during the invasions of Hitler, many of the conquered people were fascists themselves, and collaborated with the Nazis locally. Mostly, it wasn´t only to denunciate leftists and Jews, but to denunciate their market-competitors, and clean the field for their own companies... The Nazis acted pretty indiscriminate after such denunciations, and they´d simply arrest and kill those people, based on a single denunciation... I always say, that fascists are mostly just opportunists, who can´t do economics (unlike, let´s say, capitalists)... Leftists make also mistakes, which make them being non-left, but it´s often based on lacking education. Instead of grasping socialism as everyone being an enterpreneur, who works for society instead of his own pocket, thus potentiating profit for everyone through synergy-effects, they instead see socialism, as a state where everyone is an employer, and the state forces the enterpreneurs to give their profits to the state and the workers, instead of putting it in their own pockets, which is silly, cause the incentives for an enterpreneur are non-existent if the state forces him to return all his profits ...

[@diego5079]

They're ultranationalists what do you expect :/

[@andrewklang809]

Truly, Brexit was the gift that kept on giving. British nationalists must be delighted with the results. So much security. A stronger nation with stronger borders.

[@Anankin12]

So much control on internal production, market and export!

[@Micfri300]

If brexit was done like how Australia runs has s country it wouldn't be a problem. The uk is finished economically with or without brexit.

[@sueyourself5413]

@@Micfri300 If Brexit was done how Australia runs country? Terrible English aside, how does that make any sense to you? If Brexit was done like a country... That doesn't mean anything.

[@gnrseanra9070]

How is the Eurozone? It's in recession and running out of money....don't believe me type in European Commission and watch Ursula's speech....€66 billion and all 27 have to fill the hole...please watch

[@maxdavis7722]

This issue is kinda Spain’s doing tho.

[@isaacvarela667]

These videos are so good for when I need something to watch when I’m eating lol. Such good and to the point news tbh.

[@蝦羅地会ハコボ]

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[@MetalMusicMatt1]

"The left, beset by infighting" Yeah, I've never heard THAT before.

[@albal156]

Sanchez gamble for damage limitation paid off though. He got the divided parties to agree around a unified position and got more seats than in 2019 himself too. Though it would have be better if the leftist infighting didn't happen.

[@charlotteinnocent8752]

Considering that Spain is about to take hold of the EU presidency, I am FAR more concerned about the Spanish right wing effecting Europe than the fate of Gilbraltar.

[@jabato9779]

Is Meloni a problem? So?

[@inconnu4961]

@@jabato9779 He must be a misogynist! LOL

[@wile123456]

Yep, fascists keep gaining power all across Europe. It's so insane. Spain handling their economy so well and increasing the well being of citizens yet people are so fucking racists that fascists keep getting votes. Utterly pathetic. And liberals and conservatives constantly ally with the fascists because they agree with the racism, just not with the lack of dog whistles

[@wile123456]

​@@inconnu4961we hate all far right voters and politicians, male or female

[@br2431]

VIVA VOX 💚🇪🇸💚🇪🇸💚

[@DrVictorVasconcelos]

"Populist right" is a weird way to describe the VOX party instead of "far right" given that every single academic says they hold far right views and many explicitly say populism is not central. Populist has connotations of "free money", not "authoritarianism", which is what they profess.

[@someguy-of9hq]

The problem is that 'far right' has been used to cry wolf for a long time in the media, skewing its meaning.

[@dww6]

No, you're wrong "populist" and "far" are not synonymous. Think before writing something stupid.

[@sciencefliestothemoon2305]

Populist is something any idiology can use, populism is a tool to "appeal to the masses". Far right is a political orientation.

[@albertodejuan6104]

By academics you mean left wing people who think the same as you? Vox is a right populist party.

[@DrVictorVasconcelos]

​@@dww6What the hell? Of course they are not synonymous. Which is why you can't say they are populist 😅

As a Spaniard, I have been very happy all my life without Gibraltar. I don't need that (and in that case it should be up to its inhabitants to decide). What I do need is respect for human rights in my country. Greetings from Spain.

[@jabato9779]

Your human rights are not respected in Spain? That's ridiculous.

[@Pretency]

​@@jabato9779I think they're talking about Vox potentially getting power and taking away rights.

@@Pretency Yes, that was exactly what I was talking about hahah

[@PJ-om2wq]

I think that the people of La Linea need an open border though, or they will have high unemployment. Do you agree?

[@InAeternumRomaMater]

By Human rights you mean allowing p*dos running around? (LGBT)?

[@Thermuda]

I can't see the British Government giving up Gibraltar - the last referendum in Gib 2022 it was 98% no and the tories seem to have this thing of "will of the people" so no matter what happens with Spain's elections I can't see there being any negotiations for handover.

[@kingmasterfilip2965]

I mean their PMs werent chosen with the "will of the people" since Johnson

[@edmundprice5276]

that means that it is a certainty that the british government will abandon them, look at hong kong the british government has always betrayed its own people, look at the translators from afghanistan

[@Thermuda]

@@kingmasterfilip2965 true it was a generalization to the tories from Brexit but the British Gov have always taken a hard line on both Gib and the Falklands with the respective countries so I can't see much changing

[@fabulously695]

Italy gave corsica to france because it was too much hassle, that wasn't the will of the people. It's not unprecedented. If economic affairs become untenable due to inflexibility on Spains part, the British may not have a choice. Hopefully, it does come to that, and Britain can be put back in its place yet again.

[@juancarlosalonso5664]

Tories only listen to the “will of the rich”, they couldn’t care less about average people.

[@Felineintuition]

La Línea is dead without Gibraltar. I've lived in the town because the rent in Gib is astronomical. Working in Gib meant that I've had to cross the border during Covid times, when you had to have your work contract to pass the border in Gib and back to Spain. It was horrible and took hours on end. No one liked it. If this becomes a permanent thing, many people will give up and move somewhere else. This means Gib will take a hit, as well as La Línea. Vox can talk all the crap they want but if they'll do this, they'll be hurting Spanish people too. Though, with the racist and xenophobe agenda, I don't think they place a high value on the people living in La Línea anyway...

[@jabato9779]

So we invest in the area for those people to have better jobs. It will take time, but Gibraltar is a parasite and an insult.

[@PhthaloJohnson]

Not the they need us more then we need them argument...

[@30secondclips53]

@@PhthaloJohnson However it is true. If you have ever visited La Línea, you would know. The right will damage the area's economy just to make a point. hopefully the left win and leave La Línea and Gibraltar to continue their current agreement (which is beneficial for both).

[@30secondclips53]

@@KoffeServer Agreed on Vox. They are Francoist's all by name.

[@multienergico9299]

​@@KoffeServerIndeed, I am Spanish, if the people of Gibraltar want to be separate from Spain, there is no point in pursuing a reunification.

[@losdelrock]

Agreed Gibraltar’s economy will suffer in a no deal but so will the surrounding Spanish area. I am a closed frontier child from Gibraltar so I remember vividly the poverty and lack of any investment in La Linea De La Concepcion and surrounding area just after the frontier opened in 1985. It and the surrounding areas have flourished and prospered directly because of Gibraltar’s economy. Both sides need to work together or both sides will suffer. Great article and series, thank you.

[@Litany_of_Fury]

Clearly Gibraltar can handle higher prices of a hard border.

[@sueyourself5413]

Gibraltar can just go back to Spain and problem solved.

[@parametr]

@@Litany_of_Fury I know a few people who lived there. A closed frontier for Gibraltar mean no workers, no life (they go to Spain a lot), food shortages, ... It's also really bad for the surrounding Spanish area, ebcause they have no other income source. But PP and Vox don't give a damn about it, they rather have the PR tool.

[@Litany_of_Fury]

@@parametr no one is saying there will be a closed border. Just a hard border.

[@s1lm4r1l6]

That sounds a lot like the old Brexit lie "They need us more than we need them."

[@samuxan]

This is the least of the problems of having a far right party like vox in power. Not only bad for the Spaniards but the whole continent, Sanchez was one of the main drivers behind next generationEU green funds and other programs to recover the EU after the pandemic. A government that was and is actively against that will put all EU members at risk

[@gothicgolem2947]

It’s the biggest problem for the Uk and Gibraltar tho

[@duncansmith7562]

main drivers behind next generationEU green funds and other programs to recover the EU after the pandemic = stealing more and more cash from Spanish taxpayers to fund futile and useless green energy products. you found one of the reasons why Spain has turned against Sanchez.

[@imastaycool]

I love deeply how the UK, and even Britain + its colonies are breaking apart ❤ Britain and even the UK as a whole is disunited politically, socially, culturally and linguistically. The poor political choices and decisions of Brexit have made the lack of unity ever clearer for the entire world to see. It's not just disunited, it's also completely imbalanced. Politically, it has devolved governments, but most of the power lies in Tory Westminster which has the UK at political loggerheads. These devolved governments squabble and fight amongst each other which details the disunity. Brexit was divisive and it shows how disunited the UK is with the occupied region called "Northern Ireland" and the country of Scotland voting No to Brexit. The UK is literally split down the middle in the Brexit debacle which makes it politically disunited. Furthermore, the UK isn't a voluntary union because Scotland is actively being denied another independence referendum post Brexit - this, again, makes it a disunited partnership + an imbalanced and undemocratic one. Welsh and Scottish independence is growing while talks of Irish reunification are on everyone's lips - this, again, demonstrates a disunited and imbalanced union. Socially, culturally and linguistically it is also divided and disunited as the different parts have their own culture and language. Brexit itself limits multiculturalism and encourages exclusive nationalism and nativism which in effect breeds racism and xenophobia (the very core of Brexit and Brexiteers). Great Britain was never united, but instead it's DISUNITED and IMBALANCED as well as UNDEMOCRATIC and UNJUST. And it's actively breaking up which is the ultimate win 😅

[@technopriest6708]

Sanchez being gone is gonna be pretty good for the rest of Europe

[@samuxan]

@technopriest6708 I'm curious about how exactly that would work. I don't think you've read what the alternatives want. Vox pretty much is against the very existence of the EU and PP wants one with basically no budget. Not helpful for anyone imo

[@estrellagavilan6782]

Well, indeed, if Spanish government reclaims Gibraltar in the Hague international Court, its probable that Uk would be forced to retire from Gibraltar, because they dont have option, right now they are avoiding the Decolonization process of UN by saying that Gibraltar is not a colony but a city, however, recognizing Gibraltar as a city would broke the Treaty of Utrecht, so, its a complicated situation for the UK

[@いちごくん-l6d]

yeh, whatever. Gibraltar should decide for itself. A referendum. One question “Do you want to remain an overseas part of the UK or do you want to rejoin Spain mainland?” In and out referendum. Just like brexit. The outsiders (that means BOTH the Spaniah and the UK gov’t should respect the will of the Gibraltarians). This riduculous this whole argument.

[@israelbaras8237]

no estas entendiendo nada, esto no va de la soberania de Gibraltar. si te refieres a los sueños humedos de los nacionalistas extremos de aqui españa, para ellos la opinion de esos "descendientes de piratas" que tomaron "nuestra" tierra como suya no es importante, ellos opinan de explusar a reino unido esa poblacion y recuperar la tierra. ahora entiendes mejor la situacion, no? ESPEREMOS QUE NO TENGAMOS UNA FRONTERA DURA, SERIA UN DESASTRE PARA AMBOS Y CREO QUE LA ECONOMIMA DEL LUGAR FUNCIONA MEJOR EN LA SITUACION ACTUAL. PD: lo unico que estoy de acuerdo con esta gente de extrema derecha en en que Gibraltar deberia tener mas peso en UK para dejar de ser colonia, su gente se lo ha ganado que siempre parecen que se les olvida a UK que tienen esto aqui. Debemos mejorar en un acuerdo para luchar contra el narcotrafico de droga proveniente de africa y un acuerdo para regular ciertos aspectos chungos de paraiso fiscal en lo referente al juego online

[@snooky3]

Ask those inside Gibraltar, they’d rather be left be.

[@dutchman7623]

They are more British than London, they cherry pick all advantages and never accept consequences.

[@josemiguelledesmamartin4611]

Son colonos su opinión simplemente no es válida. Es como si le preguntas a los colonos Américanos si les devolverían las tierras a los indios su respuesta es clara obviamente no pero eso no es lo correcto que sería que el pueblo que vivía en esa zona que le fue arrebatada mediante la guerra recupere el territorio que era su hogar

[@atkospr]

​@@josemiguelledesmamartin4611son los que viven ahí, y ni siquieran son colonos, ellos quieren estar en RU, punto. Es solo una piedra, si quieres tierra hay planifie castellana de sobra.

[@Psabfue1250]

​@@atkosprSe llama reasentamiento, aunque no son colonos, lo fueron, todos los países lo han hecho y eso nos deja en claro que la democracia no es una vía viable y te pongo un ejemplo en el Sáhara Occidental, los marroquíes lo ocupan para que en un futuro se celebren elecciones y ganen ellos

[@atkospr]

@@Psabfue1250 Pero es que te lo acabas de inventar. Gibraltar no fue reasentado, la mayoría de los Gibraltareños hablan español o una mezcla con el inglés.

[@blindbrick]

Give the place back to Spain. Why would GB want to hold on to this headache.

[@Garcwyn]

Believe me, Gibraltar will be the last priority with any government that is able to form in Spain. Including the very unlikely scenario of a Vox majority. So much self importance

[@0w784g]

It's got nothing to do with self-importance and everything to do with this company knowing their audience and making videos that will earn them money.

[@Garcwyn]

@@0w784g to be fair this channel is about the intersection of European affairs and Brexit, so this topic is worth covering. However a bit of context would be welcome, for example that Gibraltar will not be in the radar of 99,9% of Spaniards during their election. Hence my original comment

[@jonC1208]

@@Garcwyn but in vox leadership they are all obsesed with the rock

[@Garcwyn]

@@jonC1208 I don’t live with them mate. I can tell you though that Vox voters, by and large, are not obsessed with this at all

[@jonC1208]

@@Garcwyn voters no, but abascal and company are

[@doublah1865]

If Gibraltar can survive Franco, it can survive Vox.

[@prophetsnake]

wouldn't there have to be a UK for it to belong to?

[@hus390]

Franco did nothing to Gib other than shutting them off due to their whinny behaviour!! …. No No No!!!! Why?? Gib is smaller than the nearest Spanish golf course Gib government officials play golf in, while Spain is three times bigger than UK. All what Spain cares about is for Gib officials not to harass fishermen for the purpose of begging attention to Gib, because they believe they are forgotten. 😂 It’s like a baby whining so momma can carry him!!

[@End-Result]

Oh please give over

[@User-he6zd]

​@@hus390As long as Spain doesn't pull an Argentina there will be no issue with the UK

[@zamirroa]

@@User-he6zd Spain cannot do that, even if they has a capable army, most European powers and USA will just support UK and and input sanctions upon Spain to make it miserable

[@alwoolridge6377]

It amazes many how many people believe that Spanish territories in North Africa belong to Morocco. Those regions were spanish centuries before Morocco existed. So not only they are ignorant, but they also give us lessons on "decolonizing". And it worries me how the anglosaxon world prefers to side with the muslim moroccans than the european spanish.

[@unaiestanconapelaez2526]

It's also funny considering that morocco itself has arguably a colony in the western sahara

[@Mauri7782]

Its ironic that iberians are Moroccan spawns and created spain and portugal

[@alwoolridge6377]

@@Mauri7782 What? Have you ever read a history book? From planet Earth I mean... The iberian peninsula had seen at least like 6 or 7 great civilizations (tartessians, iberians, celts, greeks, carthaginians-phoenicians, romans, goths...) before the first berber (not moroccan, which didn't exist as a nation or culture until yesterday) first stepped on it.

[@theMOCmaster]

Gibraltar can let Spanish citizens through its border to get workers as much as it wants unilaterally, border controls for those entering are under full control of Gibraltar, Spain only controls those leaving. Melilla and Cueta exist, and have hard borders with Morrocoo. Gibraltar is a port, it can exist on its own.

[@calvin7330]

There are still checks for the Spanish citizens coming back at the end of the day though

[@MrOliver1444]

But Moroccan people can freely go to Cueta.

[@theMOCmaster]

@@MrOliver1444 not true, they have to hold a visa

[@KarolusTemplareV]

@@MrOliver1444 What are you on?

[@bradleygeorge3951]

Let’s see what the traffic jams in Gibraltar would be like with 55 k people crossing the boarder each day with a hard boarder in an area a quarter the size of Birmingham

[@Anankin12]

0:15 "populist right" Ah yes, the classical euphemism for Fascism

[@falconvelocity]

Not really... Unless people were being made to vote for an autocratic government imposing sever economic and social regimentation forcably supressing the opposition. /me coughs out a dicitonary!! It'll pass. Don't worry. Once we get passed 2050, all this right wing government nonsense will hopefully be over! (but I wouldn't hold my breath).

[@man_feelings93]

If Spain wants Gibraltar back then they should give back Ceuta and Melilla back to Morocco

[@douglaspate9314]

YES!

[@omereris852]

No. Ceuta and Melilla were never part of Morocco as Gibraltar was part of Spain. Nor are the problems of those territories interconnected. Plus Gibraltar does really harm Spain with tax evasion, contraband, allowing dangerous massive movement of fuel off its shore. The difference in GDP in both sides of the border in all 3 cases makes more people cross the border everyday and that increases the impression of benefits for all parties in the very near proximity. More than 90pc of the population say they are only British and only Spanish respectively. Spain, Morocco along with Portugal (funny thing, Ceuta was conquered by Portugal and after a dynastic crisis it passed to Spain, they chose to keep the previous Portuguese flag and coat of arms till this day) those three countries have a strong bid to organise 2036 world cup and all kind of ties are expected to be reinforced rather than being questioned. There are European flags flying over Ceuta and Melilla. Morocco can't risk its primary commercial partner.

[@peregarciamoreno9444]

Until 1713 Gibraltar was Spanish. Ceuta and Melilla were never Moroccan, they have been Spanish since 1497 (Melilla) and 1640 (Ceuta), Morocco has existed since 1956, many centuries later. It cannot be returned to Morocco because they were never theirs.

[@grimnir8872]

Ah yes, the "Dispute" Where a bunch of foreign people try to over-ride the will of people living in a place.

[@vDaniik]

What do you mean? Do you really think that rock in the middle of Spain belongs to the UK?

[@xander1O1O7]

@@vDaniik in the same way a couple rocks in morocco belong to spain :)

[@grimnir8872]

@@vDaniik It belongs to the people who live there, who keep voting rather consistently to remain part of the UK.

[@ismaelmad1]

@@xander1O1O7 North Africa belonged to the ancient Roman Empire and Hispania was a Roman province from which Spain inherited those ancient territories.

[@twincast2005]

@@ismaelmad1 That isn't at all how the current status came to be. Open a history book, jesus.

[@nathanspreitzer6738]

Gibraltar isn’t Spanish, it’s people don’t want to be Spanish, and it will never be part of Spain again

[@RRaymer]

Little do they realise this will harm the Spanish communities around Gibraltar then Britain. Youth unemployment is like 60% in the Cadiz region with salaries of less than 800 euro per month. Alot of the young people there work in Gibraltar and bring money back to Spain, around 3000 euro per month. Now Cadiz will fall more into a sh!thole than it already was.

[@oihanlarranegi472]

Hurting some people won't matter to them, anti-british sentiment is pretty common among spanish nationalists. The symbolic victory of regaining the lost lands would probably be enough to compensate the lost jobs, or at least that may be their calculation.

[@danielkristiansen2298]

What makes you think Madrid would suddenly start caring about Andalucia?

[@gfyphg9871]

In order to defend, are your argument you don’t really have to lie why didn’t you just say that it has 100% unemployment it will be equally false

[@parametr]

They know. They don't care. It's a good PR tool.

[@Angel24Marin]

The most economically depressed town is the one next to Gibraltar. Maybe that is the issue.

[@venmis137]

Feels weird to be in a country that's not the UK on an election day.

[@Tusiriakest]

As a Portuguese, I do hope they starting asking for Gibraltar back, so they have to return Olivença back to Portugal. The UK is not oblige to give Gibraltar to Spain, but Spain is obliged by the Congress of Vienna and the treaty of Paris, to return Olivença to Portugal, they compromised to do so, and never did. So ye, let them start that argument and the UK will (as is tradition) have the full support of Portugal, unless this old debt from our Spanish "younger brothers" is paid.

[@rh906]

Strike when the iron is hot. And the UK is burning hot right now. :)

[@Robert-xy4xi]

​@@rh906😂💩🤡

[@Robert-xy4xi]

​@@rh906Independence for Catalonia 😊

[@AlejandroSanchez-is2ci]

@HadriansGall catalonia is not the richest state in spain. It is Madrid

[@gothicgolem2947]

We should hold a agreement where the people in both territories vote for what they want to do

[@rafaelmartinvannostrand2084]

Spaniard here. VOX bark a lot, they do little. They already are in some of local goverments and they're being quite a disaster, I don't seem them influenting too much IF (big if) the PP and they come to goverment. Brilliant video BTW, you covered everything perfectly

[@rh906]

That is usually the case for most of the boogeymen we are supposed to be scared of and not the actual ones they don't want you to notice. Don't know who that would be in Spain, but in the US that would be antifa and not whatever group they make up here.

[@rogerabadiasarencibia4156]

más quisieras

[@hyusb76]

Ya ha influido seamos realistas para que vox viva tiene que hacerse notar, para atacaran la violencia de genero, derecho LGTB+ y Gibraltar. En los acuerdos regionales de vox y PP ya ha metido estos elementos, aunque en algunos comunidades el PP gobierne en minoría necesita a vox para sacar cualquier ley

[@Lazykactus]

Afuera el ministerio de igualdad que sólo sirve para sacar violadores

[@duncansmith7562]

100% agree. VOX love to bark, but VOX won't have any mandate to do anything with Spain's borders, so probably the status quo on the border with Gib will continue indefinitely. No concrete deal is needed tomorrow.

[@rafaelhego]

What UK should do is give back Gibraltar to its legitimate owner: Spain.

[@EclipseZer0]

It would be a travesty if we didn't get a video about Spain's General Elections results in the TLDR-EU channel. The rundown of Spanish politics and the context of the elections was great, clear, and straight to the point. Great job!

[@Leychen]

I've never cared much about spanish politics because i'm austrian and spain is far away, but this is actually interesting!

[@jojo-pk]

"Territory" or as it was formerly called "colony". I don't have an opinion on Gibraltar specifically, I just don't like the euphemism. Gibraltar's inhabitants should decide for themselves with no pressure from either Spain or the UK.

[@HeadsFullOfEyeballs]

"Colony" isn't really the right term for Gibraltar because it wasn't a colonial project, but one European great power grabbing territory from another after a war. And it never functioned like a colony. The purpose of a colony is to extract wealth and resources for the benefit of the homeland. But Gibraltar doesn't have much value in that regard. Its importance lies in its strategic location at the gates of the Mediterranean. It's more like a military outpost than a colony.

[@jabato9779]

@@HeadsFullOfEyeballs It is listed as colony in the UN, pending decolonization.

[@jojo-pk]

@@HeadsFullOfEyeballs good point. However, being a military outpost is still creating value for the homeland, isn't it?

[@EpsilonNPC]

Wait... how did an anti-rape bill set rapists free? Only Yes means Yes seems rather clear cut

[@hector5922]

Apparently there were like two kinds of sexual offence, literally translated as "abuse" and "aggression", and each one of them had different minimum punishments (minimum number of years in prison). The law basically unifed those two, having just a single minimum, and so you can get your punishment revised and reduced It's a very simplistic explanation tbh but that's basically it

[@蝦羅地会ハコボ]

They eliminated the differences and degrees of sexual attack. From "abuso sexual" and "agresión sexual" they all were changed to being "agresión sexual", the more serious offense. This caused the sentence maximums and minimums to shift. The maximum was lowered substantially due to this and since there is retroactivity in law whenever it benefits the accused, it caused for all convicted rapist to automatically get a reduced sentence, some getting outright released because the reduction covered their remaining time. And the worst part is that even after the law was ammended to eliminate this issue it does not apply to the convicts since it doesn't work in it's benefit.

[@mikicerise6250]

It's also a lie to say it was inadvertent. It was known this would happen. Irene Montero bragged rape sentences would be reduced years ago. I remember it. Podemos is full of people who are actually against prisons, and more concerned with impressing wannabe anarchist guys than keeping rapists off the streets. 🙄 None of that warrants electing actual bloody fascists though.

[@greendsnow]

I love your new hair. It changes your air completely.

[@jiminverness]

So Spain want's to take Gibraltar away from the UK but also wants to hold onto Ceuta and Melilla.

[@JP-xd6fm]

That's fun. As Spaniard I would love to have gibraltar and seriously I would return ceuta and melilla back to marocco. And I would get Andorra or at least half of it. But I will *NEVER* vote for the right wing. *NEVER* , that's the stupidest thing to do.

[@juanjoniebles452]

​@@JP-xd6fmCeuta and Melilla are parts of the Spanish nation since it formed politically under the Catholic Monarchy in the late 15th century. They never formed part of Morocco, which is a relatively new national reality. Morocco has no legitimate claim to Ceuta and Melilla. It would be stupid and traitorous to give the Moroccan regime our territory.

[@AlejandroSanchez-is2ci]

ceuta and melilla are not colonies accordintg to the UN , they vote for the spanish parlament and have the same rights that people from Madrid

[@蝦羅地会ハコボ]

Well, the truth is, Ceuta and Melilla were Spanish before the kindom of Morocco was established so there is no equivalence between Gibraltar and those two cities. I would not want to see a full border between Gibraltar and Spain but I would be in favour of them joining Spain for the sake of practicallity. Maybe people from Gibraltar could have double nationality or something.

[@jabato9779]

Spain has no colonies in Africa. Ceuta y Melilla have been Spanish long before Morocco existed, they are as Spanish as Madrid. Inform yourself better.

[@Pystro]

Oh, at 5:34 when a Brit says "Voted 96% to remain", they obviously mean "remain in the EU" on their Brexit vote. Not to "remain British", as I assumed the first time I watched that part. (I re-watched it to find out if that many wanted to stay British _before_ or _after_ Brexit, which would probably make a large difference.)

[@plamerj1234]

they had 2 votes 1 to remain controlled by British government that had 98% and 1 to remain in European union that they voted 95% to remain in. Gibraltarians do not want to be governed by the Spanish government. this video did downplay how many people in la Linea need Gibraltar for work, and the money that Gibraltar makes for the citizens of la Linea. closing the border would be difficult for a bit for gibraltar until they can sort shipping goods, but the loss of income to that many households in la Linea would hurt the area and would effect many businesses there in the long term.

[@xMasterAssassin93]

I wish Sunak would take a page out of the book of Sanchez and call a GE now

[@falconvelocity]

Defo!

[@bzuidgeest]

Why would sunak do that, he would almost certainly lose big.

[@parametr]

Nah, Tories prefer keeping an unelected bureaucrat as PM.

[@xMasterAssassin93]

@@bzuidgeest Like Sanchez, it would be a risk. At present, the polls are worsening for the Tories and I think they are currently going for a "lets gamble and wait a year and see if we look better". However its very unlikely that will happen, especially as people's pockets will feel no different despite Sunak's promise (which is looking like he can't keep anyway) of 'halving inflation'. People will see it was a lie, along with his other 4 promises. By holding a snap election asap, he could gamble to mitigate the damage. Either way the Tories will lose big time, but sooner rather than later helps them. Especially now before incoming crises come about, so it would look like Labour were to blame because the Tories were out of office. By dragging an election on, they gamble far more for their future electoral efforts. 10 years will be a guaranteed minimum to see them out of office before clawing back, but the gamble is that Tories could come back in just 5 if Labour is seen to have failed the public (despite the cause being the Tories which managed to delay any damage). That would be my reasoning. Either way they are f**ked at the election.

[@wodmarach]

He doesn't dare, the Tories have fooled themselves into believing somehow they'll go up in the polls over the next year. Don't expect an election before November likely just after a budget that will appeal to the over 65's...

[@elprimohackier3157]

For those who think that the recovery of Gibraltar would put Spain in trouble regarding Ceuta and Melilla, these cities are much older than the Moroccan state and dynasty, they are cities of territory that was conquered by the Caliphate of the Peninsula and after the Spanish and Portuguese reconquest, those territories were taken. For more than half a millennium, and they dare to compare it with a pirate enclave that is located thousands of kilometers from a country that obtained it through the canyons 300 years ago just to have control in a sea that does not belong to them, ENGLISH PIRATES

[@Mauri7782]

Morocco created spain and portugal. Ceuta and Melilla are older than the iberian current states. Gibraltar is british because spain sold it

[@elprimohackier3157]

@@Mauri7782 hispania was arleady there, Madrid Córdoba or Granada were founded by muslims but Barcelona, Tarragona, Sevilla, Toledo, Zaragoza... were founded by romans, Cádiz (older than 3000 years) ,Málaga, Cartago, ibiza... were founded by fenicians, ampurias, rhode (rosas), abderra... were founded by greeks. Asta Regia, Onoba , Mastia (cartagena), Nabrissa ... were founded by tartessos... also iberians and celts, all this civilizations older than muslims, u founded ceuta and melilla etc aswell but are a part of our identity not the creators hahahahahahah spain is much more than islam or muslims, u enterered, conquerer and founded in hispania, we returned the favor kicking out of the peninsula and be gratefull that we landed in america instead of going inside africa.

[@shiningvideo]

This issue is less serious than it seems on the surface. The only way Spain could suffocate Gibraltar would be to close the border entirely and they won't do that. If no border deal is reached Gibraltar can just issue Spanish workers with biometric identity cards and create Special speedy entry lanes using a combination of facial recognition technology and document readers to get people on foot or in cars into the territory quickly.

[@DRKrust492]

The UK will NOT give up Gibralter. Gibraltans overwhelmingly voted to remain in the UK with 98.97% of the vote with a voter turnout of 87.9% in 2002. That was 87% of registered voters (minimum) wanting to stay with the UK. It is very doubtful those numbers have changed much.

[@davidty2006]

Ontop of that Gibralters parliament is separate from the main british one, and it's a military base. So if spain tries to take it were gonna blow their arses up like the general belgrano!

[@widodoakrom3938]

Bring back Spanish empire who ruled the wave 🌊

[@blair2798]

Give it back to Spain. Best outcome for everyone.

[@Myles0Harcourt]

Not for the inhabitants, who should be the only consideration

[@louisbeerreviews8964]

@jesusbermudez6775not going to happen

[@Myles0Harcourt]

@jesusbermudez6775 many of the UK's OTs are not financially profitable but are still maintained.

[@JannaTravels]

Gibraltar will survive no matter what, we just tired of waiting for the final agreement 🤦‍♀️

[@nicolowarnking9867]

It is pretty crazy how the UK still has territory in Iberia

[@tendrosstoodross2976]

The Gibraltarians have voted to remain with the UK, the Spanish can vote for who they like but if they try to hassle Gibraltar they can expect repercussions.

[@filipe5722]

They can, but the degree of those repercussions might not be as severe as the UK would like.

[@berserkirclaws107]

Gibraltar belongs to Spain.

[@ava-he9li]

Claro que sí rey

[@louisbeerreviews8964]

No Gibraltar is British not Spanish look it up

[@berserkirclaws107]

@@louisbeerreviews8964 just like Northern Ireland.

[@JanjayTrollface]

Maybe they can swap it for Ceuta and Melilla.

[@eris9062]

Here's some fun historical context about Gibraltar and Melilla + Ceuta since that's a hot topic: 1) Ceuta and the Maghreb in general came under muslim control in 710 2) The Maghreb was conquered by the Umayyad caliphate 931 3) Caliphate of Cordoba falls in 1031 and various Amazigh (Berber) dynasties take control of the region for about ~350 years, until the Marinid dynasty assumes control in 1387 with the assistance of Aragon (one of the Spanish kingdoms) 4) Ceuta is conquered by the Portuguese in 1415, and the Portuguese try to conquer Tangiers in 1437, lose, promise to cede Ceuta and then don't 5) Melilla is conquered by the Spanish in 1497 6) Ceuta is transferred to Spanish control after the Iberian Union in 1581 but still technically owned by the Portuguese 7) During the Portuguese War of Restoration (independence war) of 1640, Ceuta is the only Portuguese territory to side with the Spanish 8) In the Treaty of Lisbon (1668) Portugal cedes Ceuta to Spain 9) Moroccan sultan Moulay Ismail ibn Sharif tries to conquer the Spanish territories in north Africa from about 1681-1727 as a part of the Spanish-Barbary Wars 1605-1792 (the siege of Ceuta holds the record for longest siege in history at a whopping 32 years (1694-1720, 1721-1727)) 10) Gibraltar was first conquered by the British in 1704, and formally ceded in 1713 (Treaty of Utrecht) 11) Britain occupies Ceuta in 1810 during the Napoleonic Wars but was returned in 1815 12) Hispano-Moroccan war happens in 1859-1860, in a decisive Spanish victory the city of Tetuan is taken preventing further attacks on either Ceuta or Melilla 13) The Melilla War/Margallo War/First Melillan Campaign of 1893-94 happens, 39 Rif tribes try to take Melilla and fail, minor amounts of land are ceded to Spain 14) Second Melillan Campaign happen occurs 1909 with a Spanish victory, although at great cost of life 15) Spain recognises the independence of Spanish Morocco in 1956, however Ceuta and several other territories including Melilla remain under Spanish control 16) Melilla becomes an autonomous city in 1995 17) Spanish monarchs visit Ceuta and Melilla in 2007, which was protested by the Moroccan government 18) Melilla and Ceuta declare Eid al-Adha a public holiday in 2010, the first non-christian religious festival officially celebrated in Spain since the Reconquista And before anyone goes on about if these territories are Spanish or Moroccan or whatever, the point of this comment isn't to pick a side, it's to inform people about the history of the area (excluding the French colonisation of Morocco), so please have that debate elsewhere (looking at you guy/bot that keeps copy pasting the same argument about Morocco having no legitimate claim to either city).

[@obscureinception8302]

Whether or not a country has a 'legitimate claim' to a territory is a moot point, The Ceuta & Melilla situation is really just an example of Spanish politicians being hypocrites if they claim that Gibraltar must be 'given back' to Spain. None of them ever apply the same arguments to Ceuta and Melilla.

[@EmisoraRadioPatio]

“Came under Muslim control”? The Muslims conquered Ceuta from the Christian Visigothic kingdom. Portugal took it back and Spain received it after a secessionist dispute. Spain used Ceuta and Melilla as anti-piracy bases against Muslims who were enslaving millions Europeans. The cities will forever be Spanish.

[@filipe5722]

Portugal conquered Tangiers and kept it for almost two centuries. The city was gift to the British in a dawry.

[@pachekusdimitrescus1]

@@obscureinception8302 Gibraltar issue is not comparable to Ceuta and Melilla issue in any conceivable way; Ceuta + Melilla are a nuclear part of Spain since hundreds of years, while Gibraltar was taken from a colonialist pov and from a country which was in a Civil War...

[@obscureinception8302]

@@pachekusdimitrescus1 It is directly comparable - you just refuse to acknowledge that. Gibraltar has been a British territory for hundreds of years, and how do you think that Ceuta and Melilla became Spanish territory if it was via "colonialist" activity? For all three territories there are very good arguments for them being 'given back' to the country that they are geographically part of, and ALSO very good arguments for them remaining as they are. The arguments are EXACTLY the same for all three.

[@georgios_5342]

5:31 that's not true, Britain also retains sickening colonies in Cyprus, namely Akrotiri and Dhekelia

[@realshaho3180]

I mean, I somewhat understand Spain’s upset with having a British «colony» at their doorstep, but the irony is in Ceuta and Melilla🙃

[@nathanoyeght]

Spain holds onto Ceuta and Melila to manage and check the uncontrolled migration of illegals. It helps Spain to have better control of the body of water separating it from Africa, unlike UK which depends on sending good amount of taxpayer money to France to have border checks at Calais. British people should ask what's the purpose of holding onto parcels of territories which were never part of core area of British isles.

[@zozoeternal1681]

An important point about a hard border. It goes both ways. The local spanish economy is heavily reliant on gibraltar.

[@jabato9779]

We will invest and create jobs for them. Meanwhile, those in Gibraltar cannot go back and forth to their houses in Spain.

[@klaykid117]

It really doesn't sound like vox would do something like that from reading a lot of the other comments from Spaniards. It sounds like they would intentionally leave them to rot

[@enzonavarro8550]

​@@jabato9779I hope so, but it's always very difficult to change things for the better when related to government

[@andres1945]

actually local economy does not depend on gibraltar, its the other way around.

[@conorpatrickmarsh3785]

I feel it’s time for self-governance in Gibraltar 🇬🇮

[@juanantoniogomezdelpulgarg2273]

Gibraltar can't be independent British or spanish as stated in Utrecht treaty but never independent

[@Pemmont107]

Absolutely no chance:D

[@israelbaras8237]

extremistas nacionalistas, no te los tomes en serio

[@DontknowwhyIhere]

You are doing an amazing job! Please fix the volume of the sound. It is too low!

[@5implesimon]

Sound seems fine to me

[@julienmercier2114]

Gibraltar has been British for a longer time than Canada.

[@robban5545]

¿ canada is british?

[@julienmercier2114]

@@robban5545 Since 1763... Who do you think is the head of state in Canada?

[@robban5545]

@@julienmercier2114 Finally, in 1982, Canada became an independent nation,

[@theconqueringram5295]

I hope this doesn't interfere with Gibraltar's internal governance. Even though Gibraltar is the 'last colony of Europe', would say the Gibraltarians have largely benefited with this order of things. However, once again Brexit has proven to be a colossal mistake, screwing people over beyond the British Isles.

[@filipe5722]

​@@Ghostprocedure1That's the worst argument ever. Plenty of colonies were exchanged between nations. Doing so doesn't exclude them from being colonies. A saner argument would talk about self-governance instead...

[@TheRedmike67]

@@fedevida1951Spain officially ceded Gibraltar to Britain in 1715 under the treaty of Utrecht

[@Lando-kx6so]

Dark times for the EU if they get elected & a wave of far right governments come to power on the continent

[@notjustforhackers4252]

The EU is already in "dark times" thanks to the "far left", its why people are dissatisfied and voting otherwise.

[@thomasherrin6798]

Yes the EU won't have to worry about blighty, they will have to worry about themselves!?!

[@hector5922]

While I agree that far right is dangerous, you gotta ask yourself if there is anything the government is doing wrong for the people to be so angry. It's true they've managed to do things and I wouldn't call this term catastrophic. However, we've got a bunch of laws that have not been voted in congress and were still passed, they treat territories quite unequally, they try to enforce a single way of thinking, they lie constantly (in fairness everyone does) and they can't meet the expectations that they created when they were voted into power. And people are understandably sick of it, and will get to the opposite extreme if needed to have them out. I'm not saying it's the right thing to do, but it's what's happened many times in history already

[@inconnu4961]

@@hector5922 Thank you! this is the part the Left always forgets! Voting in Right-center parties is a direct referendum on what the Left is doing! its not due to racism or ALL the many preferred character assassination excuses the LEFT typical trots out to impugn the public! if the Left would stop acting like a horde of demons, no one would have to worry about Right-center or far right parties! LOL

[@atkospr]

​@@hector5922Yeah, the governments should do something to appease the people so they don't turn to extremes instead of complaining that the far right is growing but do nothing against it.

[@keyboarddancers7751]

Brexit took no account of Gibraltar or Northern Ireland. Spain's drift towards the Right could expose that lack of foresight quite severely. I wonder how a Labour government might defend Britain's honour in this situation? More generally, so much of the EU has now moved to the Right in recent times. I still think France demonstrated the biggest shock even though Le Pen didn't actually end up winning but it might happen next time because France is in such a mess. Interesting times ahead in Europe.

[@samdorian3129]

All of europe including the UK are in trouble

[@abdulhaadi8178]

Britain's honor... Haha.. What kind of honor to the colonizers..

[@bopsgaming3810]

@@abdulhaadi8178 Average African/middle-eastern/Asian person when they hear that British people exist:

[@simplylife2544]

Nobody cares how the British politicians will defend "the honor" UK has to give Gibraltar back and that's it

[@diegorodrigovelasquezmeniz8026]

​@@bopsgaming3810englanistan....these FORMER English colonies are already in your countrie bangi....ng your sisters and alike..English girls

[@Khloya69]

Good, Gibraltar is Spain. I will always oppose the U.K. on every border dispute. Free Ireland and the Malvinas too.

[@hus390]

No No No!!!! Why?? Gib is smaller than the nearest Spanish golf course Gib government officials play golf in, while Spain is three times bigger than UK. All what Spain cares about is for Gib officials not to harass fishermen for the purpose of begging attention to Gib, because they believe they are forgotten. 😂 It’s like a baby whining so momma can carry him!!

[@pwnd331]

oh no the online gambling casinos would go down?! unacceptable! what is considered in the UK has to happen somewhere if not there then where could people set up these illegal casinos?!

[@NTL578]

They aren’t ‘Illegal’ casinos. They’re just head offices of betting companies like Ladbroke, which have shops everywhere.

[@davidfernandes1608]

What does Spain claiming back Gibraltar have to do with Brexit? The territorial dispute has been going a hundred years before the European Union even existed. But yes blame it all on Brexit as usual...

[@blueodum]

Because the border now becomes an issue since it is an EU external border now, whereas before it wasn't.

[@kw2142]

did u watch the video? it's because of hard brexit, now there might be a hard border. It has everything to do with Brexit

[@Ooze-cl5tx]

Yes, Spain upheld those claims even during the UK EU membership time. But as a border between two EU members the spanish couldnt put any pressure there and with an open border a lot of people thought 2 EU Nato members , who cares which of them collects tax in Gibraltar. Then in comes Brexit, you might remember "take back control of our borders". Without an additional agreement , the border between Spain and Gibraltar would have to be a very hard border. It is an EU external land border to a 3rd country - that means WTO rules unless there is a treaty. So why would Spain agree to such a new treaty after the UK insisted on a hard border? Could Spain be nicer about it? Sure. Did Spain vote for Brexit? Maybe they would have , but it was a UK only decision. So , i hope this helps to see why Brexit, while not being the cause of the dispute has a huge impact on the way it is being handled.

[@davidfernandes1608]

Sure it may cause issues with regards to employment, citizenship, tax ect. But the initial point mentioned in the video is in reference to the geographical/territorial dispute of which is irrespective of Brexit. Spain still has territorial disputes within its own country e.g Catalonia. Maybe we can blame that on Brexit too? Why not?

[@Ooze-cl5tx]

@@davidfernandes1608 enjoy your Brexit benefits - i hear the queues at Dover are lovely this time of the year.

[@QemeH]

0:22 - ACKCHUALLY **pushes glasses up on nose** Gibraltar is *not* the southern tip of the iberian peninsula. It is really close and always portrait this way because of it's gateway function to the mediterranean sea, but the actual southern tip of the iberian peninsula is in the city of Tarifa, Spain, just opposite the Isla de Tarifa, a small island inside the strait on Gibraltar.

[@CR-yd4qe]

If Morocco is not entitled to Ceuta and Melilla because they have never owned it. Why did Spain “give” Morocco back?

[@Mauri7782]

Ceuta and Melilla are Moroccan wheras spain sold gibraltar

[@CR-yd4qe]

@@Mauri7782 and if you sell it, you can’t demand it back.

[@reheyesd8666]

The sumar alliance sounds like a situation of when you vote for someone for their beliefs but they have to be compromise for the sake of the alliance, doing the complete opposite of what you want.

[@albal156]

Well theres a complete difference between that coming to a agreed position where you can get a flavour of all the coalitions involved in the agreement and the Labour Liberal and green Parties in England.

[@ricequackers]

Mainland Europe seems to have recently acquired a taste for voting in far-right parties that promise unrealistically easy fixes to difficult problems.

[@inconnu4961]

@@Besthinktwice why must there be cultural changes from immigration? why is it a european nations'duty to import the most destitute from the 3rd world?

[@jakubzov]

​@@Besthinktwicecan you specify what you mean by cultural changes?

[@zenkrypt6577]

​@@jakubzovIslam influence in European politics.

[@lynxfresh5214]

And history doesn't look too kindly on that type of behaviour, easy to blame others or use distraction tactics under the fragile veil of nationalism, than for politicians and the people to take accountability for their own nation. The UK is no better tho, the British don't even know what they want in the future; CANZUK?, Splitting apart?, Rejoin the EU?, Become the 51st state?, etc.

[@pedazodetorpedo]

Gibraltar can go back to Spain when Ceuta and Melilla go to Morocco, which will happen when Hell freezes over since Spain considers them to be integral parts of its kingdom.

[@aguidom93]

Ceuta and Melilla were never colonies, but integral Spanish cities of Spain way before Morocco as a political entity existed, and have since the 16th century held Spanish-speaking populations. It's not the same case, and unlike Ceuta and Melilla, Gibraltar is considered by the United Nations to be a territory subject of decolonization, meaning it must be either returned to Spain, or become a sort of independent city-state from the UK.

[@rollosinternet1853]

Gibraltar is an open wound for Spain, a part of its mainland invaded and taken away is hard to live with. That is the reality for Spaniards. Gibraltar was a smuggling paradise and now also a tax haven. None of that is acceptable for Spain. They are looking forward for the Union flag to leave and for Gibraltar to reincorporate to Spain as per the Utrecht Teatry. It might become another Autonomic Community rather than reverting back to Cadiz. But thing is, Spain will never rest its claim to get back its own territory.

[@lynxfresh5214]

Imagine speaking for a entire country and culture but regardless by your own logic Spain shall have no rest then.

[@israelbaras8237]

@@lynxfresh5214 bueno tampoco nos quita el sueño, por ejemplo nadie ha votado teniendo en cuenta que va a pasar con gibraltar, es un asunto poco importante en comparacion a otros, a mi me parece bien solo por hacer la broma de que somos vecinos de UK hahahaahhaah

[@ifer1280]

Gibraltar is a colony, so I have to agree with the Spanish far right that starving them out would be morally right.

[@bearsagainstevil]

Other country's have tried to conquer British pirate caves before it doesn't work out well, normally the British win. The British really like having pirate caves around the world

[@falconvelocity]

The Spanish empire was huge!!! Same as the French, the Dutch, the Portuguese and the British. The British have like a few islands? It's hardly a major empire really is it. It gave nearly everything up after WW2. Quite rightly too!

[@parametr]

England is not and empire anymore, mate. Those caves are goign to be lost. And we will surely see it happen.

[@bearsagainstevil]

@@parametr They said this about the Falkland's and there is no likelihood they will be lost any time soon. The same applies with Gibraltar

[@bearsagainstevil]

@@falconvelocity the Islands have strategic importance so the UK kept them

[@davidty2006]

It's also a royal navy and airforce base, meaning it's a military base that has a population center for some reason. So even if spain did try and take gibraltar it would be a act of war against the UK as a whole thus royal navy will all of a sudden have a budget and the submarines can go turn the spanish navy into a general belgrano.

[@fossilvivo]

Since people here are debating Gibraltar and added Ceuta and Melilla to the mix, I have another question: Could Spain return Olivença to Portugal?

[@thespanishinquisition4078]

Since the Declaración de Olivenza in 2008 that is just a non starter. Olivenza wants to stay Spanish and both Spain, Portugal ans the EU have signed on it through that treaty, the conflict is sealed entirely.

[@MedK001]

@@thespanishinquisition4078 no ...lmao look at that username.

[@thespanishinquisition4078]

@@MedK001 its a monty python sketch get your head out of the gutter.

[@SaintGerbilUK]

​@@thespanishinquisition4078how is that too different to Gibraltar? It wants to remain British, but Spain wants to upset the apple cart.

[@jorgebarriosmur]

@@thespanishinquisition4078 Nobody expects you!

[@eelvis1674]

Spain calling Gibraltar the "last colony in Europe" while they hold on to Cueta and Melilla is too rich

[@jabato9779]

Spain has no colonies in Africa. Ceuta y Melilla have been Spanish long before Morocco existed, they are as Spanish as Madrid. Inform yourself better.

[@蝦羅地会ハコボ]

Ceuta and Melilla are not colonies, they were established as part of Spain before the kindom of Morocco, it is not the same as Gibraltar dimwitt

[@imastaycool]

I love deeply how the UK, and even Britain + its colonies are breaking apart ❤ Britain and even the UK as a whole is disunited politically, socially, culturally and linguistically. The poor political choices and decisions of Brexit have made the lack of unity ever clearer for the entire world to see. It's not just disunited, it's also completely imbalanced. Politically, it has devolved governments, but most of the power lies in Tory Westminster which has the UK at political loggerheads. These devolved governments squabble and fight amongst each other which details the disunity. Brexit was divisive and it shows how disunited the UK is with the occupied region called "Northern Ireland" and the country of Scotland voting No to Brexit. The UK is literally split down the middle in the Brexit debacle which makes it politically disunited. Furthermore, the UK isn't a voluntary union because Scotland is actively being denied another independence referendum post Brexit - this, again, makes it a disunited partnership + an imbalanced and undemocratic one. Welsh and Scottish independence is growing while talks of Irish reunification are on everyone's lips - this, again, demonstrates a disunited and imbalanced union. Socially, culturally and linguistically it is also divided and disunited as the different parts have their own culture and language. Brexit itself limits multiculturalism and encourages exclusive nationalism and nativism which in effect breeds racism and xenophobia (the very core of Brexit and Brexiteers). Great Britain was never united, but instead it's DISUNITED and IMBALANCED as well as UNDEMOCRATIC and UNJUST. And it's actively breaking up which is the ultimate win 😅

[@chrisdiaz9011]

I mean Spain has held it since Medieval times before "Spain" was a thing, Paradoxically. From that perspective it's just as Spanish as any other mainland cities due to the fact that... Well... Morocco didn't fucking exist. But nuance is always to much to ask from you lot

[@eelvis1674]

@@jabato9779 and The UK has no colonies in Europe. Gibraltar was ceded in perpetuity at the conclusion of the war of spanish succession. Perhaps it is whoever in Spain said that who needs to inform themselves.

[@samuela-aegisdottir]

England: We want Brexit! NI and Giblartar: What about us? England: Fearmongering!

[@PhoeniX199777]

England and wales*

[@davidty2006]

Gibraltar was forgotten as always... With a 98% remain vote. Lucky them having a separate parliament.

[@pepedomecq3927]

We should give back Gibraltar

[@faus1322]

I am from Spain, and I highly doubt that a conflict will be generated if the PP+vox wins because the leader of the PP is quite moderate despite having the need to agree with vox. In addition to this, clarify that the PSOE brings a lot of instability to the country by reinforcing the pacts with pro-independence parties.

[@mikicerise6250]

😂

[@atkospr]

Wouldn't it bring more inestability if those parties weren't in collaboration with the government and instead opted for radical methods? (Bildu could well go back)

[@garycaldwell7133]

Spain claims Gibraltar but in the same way they have 2 parts of Morocco. It is playing a tough game as they hold both sides. They won't give back to Morocco,but play the opposite with U.K.

[@ava-he9li]

Is not the same case

[@ava-he9li]

Ceuta and Melilla are Spanish from before morroco even exist and are parts of Spain as anyother like Madrid ...

[@oldskoolmusicnostalgia]

Just like Britain talks about holding referenda to respect the will of the (English) people, but then denies this right to other members of the union such as Scotland? If Spain can't have territories in Africa why can Britain have territories in the Indian Ocean and the Pacific? See, it's not just the Spanish who are displaying double standards here.

[@yannicklarafunez4768]

@@oldskoolmusicnostalgia Especially considering Gibraltar wanted to stay in the EU, but ask Ceuta and Melilla if they wanna get kicked out of the EU by joining a nation with a different religion, language and culture. Arguably, Gibraltar should go to neither and become it's own thing like Monaco or San Marino

[@saadselkent367]

​@@ava-he9liofcourse it's not Morocco is an African nation

[@briancohenthepfjmassive.4769]

I've never been to Gibraltar and always thought it was an island till this video started.

[@davidty2006]

It's a penninsula thats home to a naval base. And the runway that has a road cutting through the middle.

[@InvictusSolDeus]

Gibraltar, Northern Ireland,.... Only the United Kingdom is responsible for all the problems that exist in these territories.

[@WackadoodleMalarkey]

Buena suerte España!

[@Kramlets]

The next thing you know we'll have Northern Ireland returning to Ireland.

[@smilesmite6682]

Any attempt at that would probably result in mass unrest and riots that both countries want to avoid

[@jabato9779]

I'd love to see Ireland reunited. It will come.

[@davidty2006]

@@jabato9779 Well no matter what it will bring violence. The current status of "It isn't but it is" has been completely fine with everyone who isn't the DUP.

[@klaykid117]

I doubt that's going to happen from the northern Irish I've talked to. They don't like the UK that much, but they also feel absolutely betrayed by the Irish Republic giving them away as just a bargaining chip

[@sassa82]

Spain and Argentina have this strange tendency with Gibraltar and Falklands. Its all to do with domestic politics and nothing based on reality.

[@danielkristiansen2298]

Slight difference is that Gibraltar acually was part of Spain for centuries before the British annexed it. The Falklands have never been part of Argentina.

[@aviatorsound914]

@@danielkristiansen2298 The British got Gibraltar because it was a way to control the port and trade into the Mediterranean Sea. Tho if people of Gibraltar doesn’t want to go back to Spain, they shouldn’t be forced to.

[@JP-xd6fm]

@@aviatorsound914 They can go back to the wonderful fogland of britain

[@jabato9779]

Just days ago the EU adopted "Malvinas" as the official name.

[@hellsonly8908]

@@aviatorsound914 gibraltar was taken because the british to be exact the english, along with the dutch and the austrians wanted to dictate who can be king of spain back in the 18th century.

[@JonM-ts7os]

Its impossible that even a hard border would lead to a change in sovereignty, just a good bit of hardship for gib.

[@SaintGerbilUK]

TL;DR last month "FPTP is terrible we should have PR" TL;DR this month "Look at what PR did to Spain!"

[@realisticlevel2553]

For anyone wondering, as a Spaniard, this video is very well written and an actual great summary of all the political context of the current status in Spain, good job. The only thing missing is that Vox are actually far-right.

[@30secondclips53]

Far-right is gaining traction in many EU and non-EU countries (including the UK). Let's hope they sink back (alongside the right) into their dark hole and not ruin all the progress that Spain has made.

[@manueltarancontebar8749]

Vox are as far-right as Podemos, Pedro Sanchez's actual main government partners, are far-left

[@HeadsFullOfEyeballs]

@@manueltarancontebar8749 And being far-left is cool and good, while being far-right is awful, so that's a big problem.

[@victorhugofranciscon7899]

​@@HeadsFullOfEyeballsboth are bad and nobody is saying otherwise, another classic case of a strawman argument.

[@realisticlevel2553]

@@HeadsFullOfEyeballs I didn't say anything about far-left, dude are you okay?

[@etialpti9930]

CUIDADANOS

[@ixlnxs]

Yes, that was hilarious. And later on he calls the Partido Popular the "PPP"

[@juanpabloperezgomez4349]

That one must go to the All Time "British People can't Pronounce Foreign Words to Save their Own Life" Hall of Fame.

[@kirilmkdsrb]

Pedro is one of the best politicians i know, i don't know why the Spaniards don't like him, i think that they will regret replacing Pedro.

[@jabato9779]

Because you are not a Spaniard. Let's see what happens today.

[@kirilmkdsrb]

@jabato9779 I agree with you bro, let's see.

[@Lucas24997]

Pedro Sanchez has been an ok politician, it did good things but he is too ambitious and it shows, with him getting into power after kicking the last PP goverment out. Also its allies both the leftist and some of the nationalist/regionalist have been eroding its aproval really fast.

[@atkospr]

It's more about his allies, I don't think he's hated by he's criticized but his alliance with Catalan and Basque separarists. (Although PP always allies with Vox which is basically francoist but they don't seem to be bothered by that)

[@bernardpearce3478]

The Spanish believe Gibraltar is d last Colony? Northern Ireland is another one.

[@noasailing27feet]

I live in Spain since 11 years. When people vited fir PSOE , Pedro Sancgez they made Spanish biggest misstake. Hopefully PSOE and my favorite VOX will take over the future. Pedro Sanches is a ' part of" World Economic Forum , we do not want him in power !

[@mikicerise6250]

This swivel-eyed specimen is your bog standard Vox voter, I take it. 🤣🤣

[@j.p.ijsblok5304]

UK will never give up territory to another nation by force or pressure. The thing with the Falkland island proved this. They would rather accept the consequences of a hard border then to give up the territory that way, and just wait out the next elections. Meanwhile, Spain could suffer a at least temporal shortage of workers, creating more problems then realistic gains can compensate.

[@chaselee86]

Margaret Thatcher had given up Hong Kong to China.

[@Karim896]

UK has given land before to another nation by force or pressure many times before some of them to Spain what you are saying make no sense. Actually Maldivas were Spanish has far as Spain has stayed in the area and any try to take thoose Island from England or France ended in failure. And actually has nothing to due with Gibraltar because that Spanish mainland not a random island in the middle of the South Atlantic. The only reason why Gibraltar is under UK administration is because how the world works today and don't be fool Gibraltar don't give a shit about UK they just want to have low taxes. Gibraltar is part of Spain and eventually you will have to give it back in one way or another.

[@boborock2012]

The UK thinks that they are supreme, untouchable and always get what they want in Europe. I pray that Spain can pressure them into giving up Gibraltar.

[@smilesmite6682]

It’s not necessarily the UK it’s the Gibraltarians themself who about 95% of them support British sovereignty, they’re not just going to give up land where the local inhabitants do not support it, that is undemocratic and complete betrayal to your people.

[@treeaboo]

Why? The inhabitants of Gibraltar want to stay as part of the UK, it's been British for 300 years. Spain has no rightful claim to Gibraltar, to forcibly evict its inhabitants would be genocide.

[@falconvelocity]

Actually we don't, and if that's what your perception tells you, it's skewed. Hater gonna hate. I for one, do not think I or the UK are supreme. We are not untouchable, and we don't get all of what we want from Europe, just like Spain doesn't. In 2023 I hope for better from people, but unfortunately see them getting worse all the time. It might be better for everyone to understand it each other, talk things out, negotate, make concessions that give both sides a better future. Or we could just carry on like this.....

[@robertjohn6585]

Actually we are untouchable because we are a Nuclear weapon wielding, Nato member... come try and take Gibraltar back by force and see the hell that rains down on you 😊. Spain is also in Nato so they can't take any agressive action against us anyways 😂.

[@jpor7259]

@@robertjohn6585 And you imagine yourself to be a benevolent force of civilization while holding a nuclear bomb. Christ, the Brits are it again.

[@jamjamrich]

Fundamentally Gib has always been of strategic importance to the UK’s interest in the mediterranean. Spain have always claimed it because they understood this. It’s the same argument as Ceuta on the Moroccan coast. Spain will never cede land to Morocco so why should the UK cede Gibraltar to them? It’s been British since 1704! I understand Brexit has caused boarder issues but allowing the free travel of people on a special case or minimal checks would surely benefit both Spanish and Gibraltar economies

[@israelbaras8237]

es muy dificil ya que es la frontera, no solo es de España, tambien de la union europea, el problema es que el libre paso de personas hace que alguien de gibraltar pueda pasar a cualquier pais miembro de la UE, la UE para el libre paso de personas lo que hace es controlar a las personas que entran a su territorio, por lo que si se quiere una frontera blanda hay que controlar quien entra a gibraltar, esta es la propuesta que ha hecho España pero gibraltar no la acepta ya que no va a permitir a agentes externos controlar quien entra a su territorio. Lo veo muy dificil como va a llegar a un pacto en comun, lo que podria pasar es que la UE dicte una serie de controles muy duros que deban seguir los agentes de UK para el aeropuerto y el puerto.

[@kasnickijakub]

Why does Spain care so much about a stupid rock and why do they want it soo badly, when they refuse to give up their territory in Morocco...

[@alwoolridge6377]

What territory in Morocco? If you are referring to Ceuta and Melilla, google when those cities were founded by Spain. Then google when Morocco was created. Morocco never owned those cities.

[@kasnickijakub]

@alwoolridge6377 so you're saying that France, for example, can take over all of their old colonies as France settled these lands before any of these countries ever existed? The same logic applies here.

[@VaucluseVanguard]

No, it won’t.

[@Ludix147]

So for aesthetic reasons I think Gibraltar should be Spanish and lose its special legal status. But actually, it should be up to the locals to decide who they bow to.

[@adrianday]

Locals do, however one you start that Ceuta and Melilla will go straight back to Morocco

[@Chris-ln6so]

So interesting that so much of mainland Europe is turning right just as the UK, so burned by Brexit, turns left

[@Dreyno]

The pendulum swings over and back. The issue the U.K. has is that it stays on the right far longer than the left (31 of the last 44 years) and the Overton window shifts to the right. A country that perpetually votes right ends up with a left that isn’t very left at all. People get the Labour Party they deserve. Keep voting right and your left becomes almost right as well.

[@mrsentencename7334]

@@Besthinktwicethe government in the uk are big state authoritarians who serve the globalist vampires. Landing strip 1 is finished so don’t even bother thinking about it

[@griffinmccue6189]

One problem: how does Vox try to do that when Gibraltar's currency is pegged to sterling rather than the euro?

[@silas823]

Do not ask hard questions to Vox