Lithium Batts and SUPER CAPS

Sit with me as I explain what a lithium battery is, how it works, and how it should be used in your car with super capacitors. The lithium cell seen in the video is from XS Power, it is a YinLong LTO 35aH cell. The capacitor is an XS Power 3000F cell. Both sourced at the DIY Central Shop
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Big D Wiz's video on his LTO bank can be seen here • Lithium Batteries for ...

[@macalla1996]

If you're boring someone that means they're not interested but for US Auto Audio Geeks we love what you're doing please keep at it you are doing an amazing job thank you for explaining to the public! Knowledge is power don't forget!

[@davidlewis8124]

I concur ✌️

[@colorblind1983]

Dude, class is in session!!! I love this!!!! Thank you for taking the time to explain all this. It was VERY helpful.

[@coolstreetman]

please keep videos like this up. I have learned so much from you in my quest to master car audio.

[@MasterDJRenn]

@2:30 ESR is "Equivalent Series Resistance" not "Electrostatic Resistance"😁

[@EmoBubba]

I usually feel smarter after your videos, but I'm still feeling stupid. Time to rewatch.

[@ashtongrist]

i just played the atom drinking game insteeasdadsasda

[@THESUBZILLA]

😂😂

[@Hertzsogood219]

@@THESUBZILLA Sorry but I fell asleep listing to him and I love this shit. Alcohol might have been a factor. Great info!

[@vexproaudio]

Thank you for the extremely important information simplified.. Hats off to you for taking the time to share knowledge!!

[@avac4312]

I know this is an old video I'm sure you feel better but it's great you're doing this especially with Elysium talk videos you helped me out dramatically thank you

[@DUKEWII]

Keep up the good work Edward! Love these informative videos.

[@kswis]

I'm so stoked! I have the sb630. Just bought 72 ah of headways they'll be on my table this week. Together, they're going to HOPEFULLY be fantastic!

[@chriswhite4596]

Great Video Edward, as Always !!!!!

[@danny51577]

Thanks Edward- watched a bunch of your videos, including this one twice so far. Would really like a basic diy charging and install video for super camps- seems like alot of the little guys (daily drivers, 1000,2000,3000 watt system guys), are looking to super caps tonadd to their stock electrical to sustain a basic, moderate system. Thinking about going this route myself, just still a bit wary of proper charging and wiring. Thanks again man!!

[@toddtaylor802]

Thanks I been studying this stuff and have had the xs 500f and it amazed me. Took the place of a lot of heavy batteries. So I'm fixing to build this set up. Think it's gonna be great. New technology

[@KissAnalog]

Thanks for this video. Thumbs up! Just want to say the actual difference between energy and power is time.

[@SparkedEd]

Very true!

[@boominc0420]

I love the informative videos.

[@SsaliGeoffrey-ct8bk]

Good explanation.

[@christianh9099]

Very good info, thank you ed

[@teamperanurkka]

Good video bro!

[@TranTek]

To sum it up simple amount of supercaps need to buffer energy delivery while LTO storing reserved energy to feed the supercaps need more energy, add more LTO need more energy delivery, add more supercaps

[@mechanicsandstuff9985]

35Ah size battery will deliver current 1A for 35hours at its given voltage. So 35Ah at 12V has different energy capacity than 35Ah at 2.7V. It is just a unit of measuring battery sizes. Great video!

[@SundownBlazer]

Good job Ed

[@xmon_mnnx5597]

im doing a supera plus and lipo4 bats solar system, not in car so this was informative TY

[@Chris_Wolfgram]

Fantastic vid 🙂 I'm currently running a 320 amp alternator, and only one 80amp hour AGM for a 3300wt system. Works great except for speed of delivery.... Short duration voltage drops for kick drums and such. Getting ready to add 500 farads of super capacitors. I'm pretty sure it will be awesome. But thanks for this video, as it was a confidence booster for sure 🙂

[@RAW_Reality]

How'd it turn out? I'm looking to add something similar to my 3500w system,so any suggestions would be appreciated.

[@NewMicroElectronics-yv1ek]

Yes, its , l also done. Very successful ,😂

[@wilsonrawlin8547]

Still relevant and very informative. LTO batteries are the way to go vs Lead acid batteries. I'm replacing all my auto batteries as they die with them. Never have to buy another LA bat!

[@95Sn95]

Thanks for the video it's hard to find straight forward explanations. I can say as good of a job dumbing it down for the masses I was white knuckling a couple times trying to keep up and I'm pretty knowledgeable in sparks... Problem I'm having is trying to find out what the bare bones electrical system I need for my system. I will be upgrading over time as money comes in but I need enough to get my new amp functioning safely. My stock electrical 140A alt is running a AP apcle 1800.1 and a 1 50x4 A/B,, but I'm adding a 80x4 and replacing the 1800 with a CAB45 (5k at 1 ohm) when the finally ship in from the far I east. I found a good 275A (full amperage at 1200rpm) alt but what is the bare minimum battery setup just to get me up and running. XS says buy this huge agm or 2 of these smaller AGMs well I don't have $700+ at the moment... And have a regular flooded starter batt under the hood at moment which isn't compatible with much I've gathered. I also I will probably not be using the amp at full power at the moment my current 2 AB XR15 subs have a 1500wrms rating so a 5k amp prob be a bit much even with impedance rise. I just know I don't have enough self control to leave it on the shelf until I can afford to aquire all the optimal electrical component's I need what will get it up and running at a safe voltage until I pick away at more battery's ect. For a 2010 grand caravan Alt options are very limited 275A is biggest I've seen and no one offers a really big alternator or a bracket for double alternators It would have to be full custom install which I may do at some point I am a welder/fabricator by trade. Any input would be appreciated.

[@bobbutter2768]

I purchased 6 LTO cells through your site and also caps from you as well. Only installed LTO so far and want to give my opinion. for all the guys talking agm, you can put 4 100a/h AGM truck batteries, big o' heavy bricks, together in parallel and won't come close to what 6 LTO cells can do. can provide the video of this very expiriment, although its in russian. The power LTO makes will blow you away. No agm, nothing under the hood, just those 6 cells in the trunk will run your car and run 3k watt system like you never though it could. now to the negative. it blew my trunk all out of wack, my $600 singer 350 amp alternator took a shit, my American Bass XFLs keep burning the coils and the orion XTR 2500d amp keeps on overheating. LTO will give you the power, the load, i promise you. can the rest of your system handle it? now the question to our fearless leader. would installing the caps in parallel with LTO smooth out the crazy power LTO demands and gives out. killing alternators and amps on the way? i assume answer is yes. please explain the wiring. from alternator "+" goes to LTO bank"+" then "+" on capsitors. The"-" grounds at LTO by going to the frame and then goes to "-" of caps. then amp + and - go to caps + and -, question: Do you need to ground the cap? The LTO is grounded mind you. next question" do the amps negative just go to capasitors negative or the frame? Guys get LTO, its the shit, real talk, but know it will be just a begining

[@TManMusicPage]

you know what i would love to see? a build up video like stages in a video game. Ok hear me out on this. take a single 40ah bank and put said 20k amp on it. put a clamp maybe an smd amp meter at peak hold whatever and let us see how far you can get into the volume before saaaay 13v? as well as show us current pulled and how much wattage it put out. next add a single bank of caps and repeat. add a 2nd bank of caps so we can see the benefit and recharge speed change, repeat. then remove the caps but add another bank of yinlong so 80ah, repeat. next add a single bank of caps back, repeat. Yes im very much so aware that in a car an alt will be charging this but at the absolute very least it will give us a ball park to work with which is where a simple "results may very" comes in. edit: after watching the very end of the video i see we're on the same page lol, ive been itching to see a video like that granted i didnt think of doing single banks at a time for a modular configuration i was thinking more so of like a 10 bank bus bar and putting in a single bank in diagonally but still in the correct spots and then as i buy more sets of 6 i would adjust it to put the banks in say a V-ish shape? then 3rd bank ill change it so ive filled both ends and the middle then just fill it out from there.

[@cornbread10378]

I luv these videos

[@hector9160]

Can I combine one bank of lithium and 2 banks of ultracaps in the trunk, with an yellow top battery under the hood ?? Oh and I have an isolator between the battery agm and the lithium bank

[@fatfreesalami]

looking forward to this!

[@xTinBenderX]

fatfreesalami Operating ambient temperature -50°C ~ 65°C (Charging) -50°C ~ 65°C (Discharging) Storage ambient temperature -20°C ~ 45°C Short-term (within 1 month) -20°C ~ 20°C Long-term (within 1 year) Storage humidity

[@Pops180]

The biggest advantage super/ultracapacitors have over lead or lithium (aside from cycle life) is the internal resistance at very low temperature. This means that the performance of these capacitors at -30C is almost as good as 20C. A lead or lithium battery at that low temperature is pretty much useless. Also keep in mind that the long term charge voltage of these capacitors needs to be lowered with temperature (typically 0.2V for every 10C over 20C. So a 2.7V capacitor should be charged to 2.5V at 30C, 2.3V at 40C…….etc

[@samv1430]

This is so awesome, do you know how can this apply for camper vans and buses with solar on Lithium ion batteries?

[@andru502]

"Welcome to showtime SPL, I love you" lol

[@666hobart]

Must've been the alcohol lol

[@stevemaniaci4750]

Hay bud I enjoy the video , I have a little electrical education .I was wondering if you could do a video on those Toshiba ( scib) battery's? I'm interested in building my own battery. Thanks for posting

[@CausinTraumaBradley]

More on this topic PLEASE SIR

[@teejayblanding279]

Do you hook up the alternator to the super caps, then to the battery? Or battery to then the supercap?

[@dankline9664]

I have an XS- Lithium Titanite battery in stock location. What are my options for a cap with said battery ? Do I have to stay Lithium ? What are my best options ? Small amp and sub setup. 300 watts rms. Love your content, hope to view more... Thank you's

[@jeff-JAO530]

Ed, I have a 320a alternator and wanted to build a 320ah bank of 40aH LTO from XS, I have 36Cells right now and 1800amps of fusing for 2)8k's 2)600.2 1)500.4 1)400.4 all AAB series. So if I mixed Super Caps in what size caps and how many banks? And would I need a 2nd alt?

[@kevinhollingsworth5816]

What will you be doing for a balance board for the battery bank?

[@joshuameyer7342]

I am so late . But awesome awesome. Just gotta watch and listen. You cover it. I'm just saying. Thanks you did great

[@wwmclawhorn1]

Great video ED very informative

[@tigger126]

Harmon Kardon 4100msl bluetooth speaker goes into voltage protection mode when starting ATV. Battery voltage drops to 9.65V when cranking. ATV starts and runs great. What do you think I could use to keep the voltage up to the speaker while cranking the ATV? Thank you in advance.

[@davidmaryniak7148]

Your video was very informative, I've been on this path, but the farad to amp conversion confused me. If you have a chance I have a taramps smart bass 5k amp max draw is 475amps, I have 3 zoom 12v lifep04 100amp batteries, the bms on each battery is 100amp charge/discharge. So in experiencing clipping at higher levels, my alternator is a 270 amp. I'm thinking 1000farad super cap bank should keep me from clipping.. without the caps I can only deliver 300 amp from my batteries, but adding the caps should get let me deliver the 475amp to the amp when it wants it and should eliminate my clipping problem, right? By the way fit not into Scott the lifep04 batteries get are the zoom 100ah on Amazon, I was looking at the 200amp batteries, but they use the same bms so only 100ah discharge even with the bigger battery, each smaller battery they have has a matching bms. I tried the 50 ah version but that wouldn't start my truck the 100 does, the 300 no problem, I also had to get a voltage booster circuit as my Toyota only charges to 13.3 normally, with the voltage diode the truck charges to 14.3v but running the amp hard just below the capacity of the battery back (300) my voltage does slowy go down (270 amp alternator recharging 300 ah in batteries with over a 300 who draw 290 on the amp and the additionall amps pulled from Basic car function mean's I I'm pulling more power from batt than the charging system can recharge the batteries so I th How many caps will I need to to be able to supliment the 175 amps that the amp needs that my battery bank is short yes I could remove the lifep04 batteries and bms but then I don't have a charge control amto keep them from bushing info flame and keep them balances.. Will a 6000 farad capacitor bank keep

[@93da9teg]

Awesome video man! Just ordered some 40ah xs yinlongs running 10k with a 400a alt ! See if this one bank of 40ah will do better than my 7 old agm batteries

[@thinshadow6669]

How did they do compared to the agm?

[@OrionHCCC26]

How did they do??

[@supfpv]

so if i parallel a supercap with a deep cycle, does that up the output amp rating and would this allow the use of an inverter to not kill the deep cycle

[@SBkr_TDD]

Curious whats my best bet? I have 4500W Skar Skv2 ran to two 15” zvxV2s. Two runs positive, & ground 1/0, to amp front front…. Under hood ( might be done for) XS D3400 anyway, and in back 3 more to amp. & 240 amp X Brand alt. Im thinking lithium but these super cells seem more up my alley. Question, if i charge caps to 16v would i need more bs to hook up or being there agm its fine. Pretty much lith or spr cells? Thanks appreciate u.

[@jeffschultz1190]

I have around 100 ah of lifepo4 lithium (limitless) and a 370 amp alt. I have gotten 1 super cap bank so far, (getting more eventually) and my question is, is that 1 bank going to help me at all? I’m running 3-8k amplifiers, so I’m wanting to get- 3 banks of caps, but I’m curious if I run mine now, will it it bottleneck my amps when I’m trying to clamp over 20k? Like when the bass hits and the caps deplete completely will it essentially just act like wire and only charge at the rate my alt or lithium sends? Or will it negatively affect my output once they empty? I’m mostly just curious if I should not install them until I have enough banks? Thanks Ed!!

[@thatunknownguy2680]

I need some help. I'm running a Singer 320 alt with 3 Kinetik HC2400 batteries in the back with a Duracell Platinum AGM in the front. I'm having pretty badd voltage issues. I had the same system in my car (2 Fi Audio Q 18s on a Synergy Audio WFO 5.1D in a Scion FR-S) and I never had these issues, but once I put it all in my SUV, I now have voltage issues. The only thing that's different is the alternator is bigger (320 compared to the Singer 270 in my car). My question is: if I added a bank of super caps, would it be helpful?

[@SlamryCamry19]

Can you recommend an LTO bank configuration and cells that will work best with my supercaps and my stock alternator my car is newer and therefore it would take serious customization to even make it work with the ECU controlled charging at 13.8 volts I have a 74AH lifepo4 battery lev60 cells from jag35 but everyone keeps telling me that lifepo4 has nowhere near the power of LTO is it ok to get something like a 40-45 AH LTO bank from xs power or something can I do that with my alternator people are telling me I can in a 5s configuration but how do I do that I'm really new to lithium and super cap I literally just bought both the one I have a month ago

[@donmige81]

how do I hook up the super cap banks to the battery? I am assuming it goes in between the amp and the battery? only the positive lead from the battery to the cap bank on to the amp? and the grounds only go to chasis? or does the cap bank ground need to go to the amp as well if both are ground to chasis they should'nt make a difference correct?

[@workingclassperson2124]

More info like this please. I don’t pretend to know everything about everything and I don’t have the cash to pay for mistakes and I want a truly powerful system oh that’s sound good too. Bout to get a XSPOWER sb500 and upgrade to a 8k for my two 15’s

[@rockfordhx2768]

My man I learned a lot from this video very helpful I would give u double likes if I could

[@SparkedEd]

Glad it helped

[@george1on2]

I'm installing a capacitor bank in the trunk for my audio system. I already installed a cut off switch. Do I need any other fuses besides the one next to the battery?

[@johndevries8536]

I am using 2 banks of lithium and 2 banks of super caps charging with a 370a alternator going to 2 MD8K'S on 4 15's. It idles at 14.7 and then 14.3 when I'm full tilt.

[@kendellc9924]

Oh mylanta, thank you thank you thank you! I've been wanting to know this exact info especially the AH ratings on lithium being so much lower and you sir have provided that knowledge. I've watched this video twice so far, now gonna watch a 3rd time for good measure. This video definitely earned my subscription. Again, thank you for such detailed info. Time to check out your other videos cuz you have a way of explaining things to where my caveman brain clmprehends.

[@CausinTraumaBradley]

I have a 300ah yinglong bank with a 320amp alt. Charging 14.3. I guess I drawing about 2k amps for my salt amps on music. How would I determine how much power I can actually support¿ and for about how long¿ 🤔

[@dank01man]

I’m going to get some xs power caps. Just not sure if the 2.7 or to get the 2.8

[@Tuff_love]

I'm running a SoundQubed S1-2250, how banks will I need?

[@linobonilla5305]

Hi I have a jump pack installed in a mechanic service truck for semi trucks using 4 rv’s batteries and I was wondering if I can add some super caps with my system to improve when jumping a truck. Please let me know if possible and how . Thanks my batteries provide about 3400 cc’s. Thanks . I also have 2 banks because I do 12 and 24 volts jumpstart

[@kiranali4898]

Hey man I was told by an xs dealer not to.use the sb5000 instead of the super caps... what are you're thoughts

[@hoga8478]

thank you

[@moabs10blowthru41]

What supercapacitor would I run with 12.8 volt 750ah headway packs? Pulling around 3000 amps at full tilt spl set up. These are 3.2volt cells in series to 12.8v.

[@anthonybrown6143]

My alternator output @ 1800 rpm's is 408 amps. I will be running a limitless super capacitor bank under the hood. I will be running a 80Ah lithium battery in the trunk. System power rating will be 8k watts. So can you tell me how big of a super capacitor I can run in the trunk as well?

[@mattroadfeldt9012]

Does it make a difference if you wire the amplifier (fused) to the supercapacitors (paralled) and then to a titan8 battery vs amp to the lto battery with the caps paralled to the battery?

[@marcossoliz506]

I have a small system, and have done all my math , big 3,ofc , upgraded alt , and have 2 agms, sub JP8 running slightly over 1100 watts around 13.8v at it's lowest, full tilt, can I just add 1 or 2 super caps??? 🤔 Or do I have to get all 6?? And would it help to keep me at 14.0v that's not far away.. please let me know your thoughts?? Thank you..

[@lowhertzhighspl]

It's time for an update video now that more products are available, as well as more information.

[@davidlewis8124]

I concur. ✌️✌️

[@shoof1696]

im in the process of upgrading my bros system and was wondering if my electrical can keep a lithium happy. he has an avalon and we swapped his 80a alt to a 130a. we also did the big 3 with 0awg welding cable. i found relion lithium battery off craigs for $300 its a 12v 40ah. only info i found are charge voltage is 14.6 and float voltage is 13.8 its going to power up an orion xtr 2500.1dz to a sundown x12

[@codylee5466]

Does it matter when everything is in series where the point of connection is for amp as long as caps are connected in line somewhere?

[@lacboiatl]

So let me see if you think this is a good idea. I have a 2001 silverado with 3 batteries in it right now. 2 under the hood and a agm31 northstar under the truck. I want to add a limitless lithium where the agm31 is but I will put it in a sealed box to keep it from being cold or too hot. Then replace the batteries under my hood with the supercaps and I have a mechman elite 250a alt on there now. My amps are are 2 orion xtr 2500.1dz and an xtr 1000.4 for the highs, do you think that is a perfect combo for me?

[@mysticalsoulqc]

if you add a resistor between the super caps and the batterie you will make sure the cap doesn't ask too much of the batteries when it's drained and recharging for car audio applications you don't need a resistor but for solar if you don't separate them you will destroy the batteries over time, the trick is to reduce the battery output to regulate it so the caps do all the work, and by letting go heavy load with a timer to regain with the efficiency of slower regulated charging lookup my services. I will make new videos soon. I am working on the blender models. p.s time is energy... pulsing the cap you can play with power if you can wait 10 sec you can get 10x more out. this ration applies to low input when energy is transferred accordingly with time of use.

[@simonmasters3295]

Great comment

[@markbradwisch3734]

So let me ask this if you are gonna run both together how should they be In line with the stereo and wat I mean is wat should be under the hood wat should be closer to the amps so that they will work the best thanks..

[@robertcarare2018]

If a use a LTO 6cell bank , on a car with 90A alternator at 13.5 V , i will harm the LTO ? I heard you need a 14.8V charge for a good protection for LTO , otherwise i will damage the LTO in short time. I don't know what to do , upgrade to LTO or to stay with the AGM . I'll be grateful if you give me an answer. Thank you

[@tristanwilson1023]

If you were to wire a bank of super caps and a bank of lto cells how would you want to wire it from the alt? Caps then lto or vise versa and then where should you wire the amps off of the bank of caps or the lto or does it matter

[@SuperGokuSon]

I have 2 banks of 6 Maxell Super caps (500F each bank) totaling 1000 Farads I see lots of arguing about balancing circuit boards.... the banks takes 16 volts but my car only charges up to 13.5 volts via the car regulating the alts output and I have tried different alts and that is where it sits. Do I even need the balancing circuit boards as the caps will never each there peak voltage and only be maintained at 13.5v

[@pallskrewee3091]

Thank you for the informative video. Can you perform a test on the charging of a 500 farad capacitor bank? Typically, the cap bank is connected in parallel with the battery, correct? So, let’s say that our alternator is charging at 14.3 volts while driving around listening to music on your way from work on a Friday. You arrive home, shut of the vehicle, and do not drive until Monday morning. Here is where the test comes to play, can you measure the voltage before you start the vehicle? It will probably drop to 12.3 volts. ( +/- a volt due to parasitic consumption/ battery resting/ stabilizing) for the next part of the test, can you measure the current draw of how much amperage it takes to charge the capacitor bank? Yes , I would like for you to put a high current amp meter on the cap bank while starting the vehicle. Let us ( the viewers) know what you get for a reading when you have the time.

[@AbelMata-ng4bl]

Hi, I have 42 cells 3.2v 40ah, so I would to know a configuration to build a 48v bank, can you help me?

[@vertboyjp247]

Can I run limitless Gorilla G10 and a 80ah bank of ying long together?

[@codylee5466]

My pcm regulator let's voltage drop to 12.5 is that ok on 12v lithium it recovers quickly

[@clydesharman2053]

Hey Edward maybe you or someone here can help me I have a specific goal in my setup to not have any or very little voltage drop I’m at 900w rms in my setup a alpine pdx v9 I have a AGM 60ah battery under the hood and was thinking of a supercap by xs to help make sure that when I install my 250a H.O alt that my voltage never goes below 14v. So how do I achieve this ? Is a lithium battery the answer or a 75 farad super cap? So at full tilt I want to have and maintain 14v. I learned that voltage drop doesn’t just increase amperage drawn and amplifier output reduced but it also reduces the signal being amplified. So in order to retain the best audio quality I want to make my amp has all the power it needs and then some. I’m ok with overkill . It’s the motto in car audio So gents what’s more beneficial a super cap or lithium battery to achieve my goal??

[@kirbarton]

hello, can I use a normal BMS in a car audio aplication? someone told me that I cannot use a BMS because it cuts the current on the negative side, is that true?

[@dopam1nedude676]

4.5k system Xs sb500 34r One bank lithium 40ah Stock 130a alternator One run 1/0 Thoughts?

[@crazylarryjr]

I used to play with lithium polymer batteries (slightly different chemistry to ions) in my RC cars (not currently in that hobby at the moment) but we had a simple formula for determining charge and discharge amperage. the batteries i used were much smaller (3500 milliamp hour). our charge rate was 1-2c depending on brand of batteries (quality usually meant better charge speed) and discharge was usually 30-50c. How we did it was convert milliamp hour to ah, by moving the decimal 3 places (3500 to 3.5 ah) then we could figure out the amp requirements and if it fit our application. One other thing we used to have to do, that you did not mention is balancing. Lithiums can be more prone to imbalance and potentially overcharging one or two cells in a bank (due to others being slightly slow to charge), you need to work out a solution for keeping a balance. even if occasional for long Lithium life Since you already have the ah converted, we could skip that. you said the batteries were 10c I'll assume both charge and discharge. so as you said you'd simply timed the 35 by 10 to get 350 amps. Now personally on a 10K amp i'd run two or three banks parallel, since a 10k amp can easily run 300-400 amps alone. One thing to think about Lithium Ion batteries are liquid based if you push them too far they can leak, once Lithium comes into contact with air, it ignites, you'll have a metal melting fire on your hands (literally white hot fire). So anyone thinking about lithium's, Please PLEASE do your research, know what you are doing

[@ericklein5097]

This is LTO. Safest chemistry out there. 10,000+ cycle life, 10C Charge and 40C discharge is not uncommon, physical penetration does not create any kind of reaction.

[@crazylarryjr]

@@ericklein5097, Honestly, if lithium is involved, it's still volatile. All you need is for it to come out of whatever suspension (whatever it's mixed with) and you have issues. It may be the safest Lithium solution, but it's not that safe if lithium is involved. I have seen lithium fires, they are not fun. I get what you say, just saying if you aren't doing everything (Safe charging and balancing, even if occasionally), the law of averages say you'll have issues. I always said in teaching people about our type of batteries, these are as dangerous as a loaded gun, you treat it with respect and follow the rules, you'll never have an issue, but you treat it like a game or a toy, you'll have issues

[@ericklein5097]

@@crazylarryjr Again. LTO is not volatile. Notice these firefighters stand right next to an LTO cell being hit with a flamethrower. kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6vXaoWQZauEr68

[@lowkeyp2]

Hey Ed great video. I've seen a lot of off-grade guys talking about the lishen 270 ah 3.2v lithium ion phosphate batteries. If I got four of them wired them in series that should give me a 12 volt power system would this be suitable for car audio? I haven't seen any of the car audio guys doing it but for a 270ah 12v end result the price send more than worth it?

[@simonmasters3295]

You know that bit in the video where he says "it depends if you have heavy cables running to the load"? You will always have power delivery issues at 12v - sooner or later to up the power (i.e. sustain the rate of delivery of power without large voltage drop) you will have to go above 12v.

[@christsideurbanstreetminis2183]

You keep referencing alternators so I'm curious what size alternator you were talking about needing to run with a bank of lithium and a bank of caps to power 10000 watts

[@anthonybrown6143]

I have a question you may be able to answer. Can you connect a super capacitor bank with a lithium battery? I have a audio system that I'm putting together. Oh, and if so, do I connect the both paralled or series?

[@MrPrplhaze1]

Im confused because I have an older 2 Farad precision power cap, and its bigger in size than the 3000F cap your holding..o.0 It said it was good for systems up to 2000w. Did technology change that much the past few years? Im looking into using some of the 4 diff old school car amps I have laying around, for home audio. What would you recommend to power about 2000w rms total? For my source I was going to use a blutooth/rca adaptor with my phone. I'm just not sure what best method is to power these amps for daily use. Ty for the very informative videos btw!

[@yougod7253]

-Get rid of that snake oil. They are useless. Watch videos of what inside those.most of those actually had a little capacitor about the size of your thumb on the inside. they just put them in a really big plastic container with a fancy volt meter to fool people into wasting their money. you can google pics of them Maybe ok for low power systems with dimmining headlights. A supercap is what you want.

[@liumichael6492]

The real reason why the manufacturer is Yinlong is that Yinlong produced a lot in few years ago but couldn't sell them and disassembled from their unsold E-bus a lot, so they had a lot of LTO cells in stock, so they sold to dealers and came to an agreement to say they were partners.

[@simonmasters3295]

Yeah but there is not much wrong with that - so long as the warranty holds good

[@barrettalen]

Been along time since I have watched a Sparked Vid. I just got 2 D4S 6ah LTO banks and the cap bank. I tried to DIY however I got immediately discouraged when I bought a Mouser Electronics capacitor integration kit. I thought that the caps came with it. The kit looks like an BMS built into the buss bars. I contacted loxus and was directed to caps. The cheapest was the D4S 500 Farad bank for 300$ and change. I bought it however it's all bussed together. Is there any additional advantage to having balanced capacitor cells? Or is it necessary? Why would loxus sell integration kits however send the same customers to an XS power dealer for the cells. I have a 250amp JS alternator big 3 to an Deka Intimidator group 34AGM and then the 2 6ah LTO banks bussed. Do I need to worry about balanced caps?

[@2008guelo]

Are u running an isolator between the Agm and lto?

[@davidmaryniak7148]

The 35 ah xs power lithium your talkiing about, does that have a bms (battery management system, for those who don't know) built in? How do you manage charging them with the alternator without one? If you wire those up in series to 13.8 and then direct connect that to the alternator, your going to get a very angry lithium fire (by angry I mean lithium batteries heat when charged, and can easily ea5ch that run away temperature if you charge it faster than the c rating, and a car alternator charges eat faster than 10c rated battery) so do you use a charge controller? And Eddy chose that chemistry of lithium? Why not lifep04? Each lifep04 cell is 3.8 volts so 14.6 volts with 4 cells is easier to manage than 5 at 2.8 and lifep04 in the market come assembled with a bms that has over charge protection, thermal protection, and cell balancing, and charge/discharge protection. Xs power lithium has none of that and that bms is at the least $100 and you have to be insane to put that kind of lithium bomb in your car, (I say bomb became lithium when charging and discharging builds pressure and heat, and a lithium cell that's is charged to fast but only exploded, but the lithium in contact with oxygen will explosively ignite into a fire ball, and if you add water the for just gets hotter, a lithium fire is no joke, I've seen it on small 14.8v 1.2amp batteries they burn through concrete and you can't smother it, you put sand in it, you will get a glass cover once it stops burning, you step on it, the hit lithium will adhear to your shoe, s 18650 battery over charged will explode into liquid metal shrapnel and a 8ft fireball, yes it'sa bet short burn, but it can cause a chain reaction, next to your system? By your gas tank.. please how about a safely video explaining the dangers of lithium in your car and how to avoid them, this video got a lot of people excited to go out and buy lithium but without the knowledge of safety how many car fires will happen from ignorance?

[@surferdudemi]

There are quite a few errors in this video. To start, ESR is equivalent series resistance, not electrostatic resistance. It's a measure of how much energy you lose charging and discharging the capacitor as well as eliminating factor in how fast you can pull energy out or push energy in. Lithium batteries don't all have about the same capacity for a given size. Lithium titanate batteries can be charged and discharged many more times but have lower capacity. Lithium ion like the kind you find in laptops and phones is about the best in terms of capacity but has safety issues and a shorter lifetime. Lithium iron phosphate has slightly lower capacity, but last many more years and doesn't tend to catch fire if it's punctured. Solid state batteries which are currently under development, promise to at least double the capacity and improve safety.

[@NoelGarcia-hc8ou]

2.3 Lithium cell can be charged separately until?

[@1quasar1]

I plan on using 2ea Maxwell 16v 500f caps (in series) and paralleled with my 24v NiFi batteries. They'll be powering a 3,500 watt inverter. I think his will improve overall performance dramatically. I can charge my batteries up to 33vdc without harm and discharge them to 22vdc without harm.

[@simonmasters3295]

That's quite a voltage range! Did it work over the long term? What chemistry was the Lithium?

[@michaelarroza7548]

Correct me if Im wrong, the beauty of LTO is that you can discharge that battery down to zero volt without damaging it, the caveat is the the efficiency of LTO (ratio of energy stored/energy delivered) is lower as compared to LIFEPO4 and Lithium polymer type. Though it is still a good practice to stay within the specified voltage. The life cycle is greater than 10000 cycles

[@SparkedEd]

Yes the life cycle is high and it wards off dendrite crystals with high voltage swings.

[@simonmasters3295]

Not forgetting that at 1v the power is 10% of the same battery at 10v @@SparkedEd

[@ChristianMartinez-lq1yx]

?? How can i connect the 6 lithium cell in the back for a car audio with an AGM battery under the hood ? Using a isolator for separate the 12 V AGM with the 13.8 V lithium power cell in the back?

[@2008guelo]

I was wondering the same is it ok to run Agm and lithium with a isolator

[@anthonybrown6143]

can you run a lithium bank and capacitor bank in paralle?

[@couchsurfer2856]

If you put that 5000 watts in a 5000watt inverter .how long could you run a 1500watt heater ?

[@juniorjay5117]

So question. I have a 2k rms sub and I want to use a sundown SALT3 amp. My car has a 150 amp alternator. How can I use batteries/caps to stay away from having to upgrade my alternator? How many amp hours do I need and what size cap?

[@SparkedEd]

Upgrading the alternator should be the first step.

[@kingalli1947]

Can you run a SB bank n a lithium bank together?

[@rod1318]

If I have a xs 5000 cranking amp amg battery and I'm running a 8k amp what is going to be the best thing to run with it

[@rod1318]

And I also have a 220 amp alternator

[@lowrider4life462]

I have a AGM and super cap Bank setup ....Should the super cap bank always be the first to recieve voltage ? Or is it the same efficiency of having the bank last in order to the amplifiers?

[@yougod7253]

No battery first then the cap . Cap acts as a buffer for immediate demands.

[@lowrider4life462]

@@yougod7253 ok great..thats how i did it.

[@ChristianMartinez-lq1yx]

@@yougod7253 ​ how can we connect the 6 lithium cell in the back for a car audio with an AGM battery under the hood ? Using a isolator for separate the 12 V AGM with the 13.8 V lithium power cell in the back?

[@user-ft1uc7rc3k]

My question is using a wind turbine to charge a super capacitor without a larger restistor and pair a super capacitor for each battery.