SPECIAL Stats Tier List - Fallout New Vegas

[@sagieboi1204]

I do remember that in Fallout 2 Charisma was actually good as it gave you a companion slot for every 2 charisma you have, allowing you to run a big Party!

[@colepratt7538]

Yeah it’s fun af walking around town with a super mutant, talking deathclaw, tribal, cyber dog, and Cassidy

[@TheInsanity556]

The thing was though that temporary stats would be able to boost you to what you need so with some mentats and the mirrored shades you could still have your possy, youd just need to Chem up if you fire them temporarily.

[@sagieboi1204]

@@TheInsanity556 i was unaware of that!

[@Ribboppity]

The arbitrary party limit of the 3D games always made me sad.

[@foofoo3344]

@@colepratt7538 Tribal with a "funny bone".

[@Judgement_Kazzy]

Worth mentioning about Charisma. Even though it buffs your companions, some of them (*cough* Arcade *cough*) can still be absolute monsters even with 1 Charisma.

[@galdersrontgorrth]

boone is the same headshot aimbot, but he's a sniper so it actually makes sense lol

[@bravalloy]

The idea o Charisma is quite simple. Without it, people will hate you no matter what! They will fool you (4), cheat on you (3), wont even talk to you (2) and, last but not least, send you to certain death (instead of a quest, 1).

[@foofoo3344]

@@galdersrontgorrth Well, yeah. Have you seen how Boone talks? I'm surprised that he even managed to get a wife.

[@galdersrontgorrth]

@@foofoo3344 not intrusive or annoying? my kinda guy actually.

[@foofoo3344]

@@galdersrontgorrth Well, Boone is also my favorite companion due to his accurate shooting skill. But I'm not sure if I would get along with him in real life since I don't need to kill or fight anyone in real life.

[@Smasho8000]

Fun fact about Perception: in the Repconn HQ building, there are "hidden doors" that you can only interact with if you have a Perception skill of 8 or higher. They're not doors you can enter per se. More like just move your cursor over spots on the walls and activate them and get some exp. Not a huge amount, but some.

[@DankSoulsVoid]

Strange never seen that.

[@kunaljanvalkar2850]

I was wondering why I couldn't find those in my current playthrough. As I am playing with guns this time I didn't put much points in perception.

[@cassi5420]

I could be wrong, but I vaguely remember you could use a Repair check to jam shut hidden doors at Repconn HQ that housed sentry bots that would open if you were identified as an intruder. Are we talking about the same thing?

[@Pacemaker_fgc]

@@cassi5420I believe these are the same doors, yes

[@zephyglassbeach]

@@Pacemaker_fgc neat!

[@KingCollossuss]

The thing about Endurance is that every point you put into it is effectively given back into another SPECIAL stat. Say you want 7 in agility. Put 6 into it and 1 extra into Endurance and you walk away with the same Agility once you buy the implant but 1 extra in Endurance for free. And Sub-Dermal Armour is just amazing for a light armour build.

[@dislikereporter2271]

damn, never thought of it like that, although it only works for a single point

[@SeanSpencerNekoEspirito]

This is a good explanation. I can't ever run lower than 8 Endurance personally. You get to bump each SPECIAL stat and Sub Dermal is a great bonus.

[@parkerallen1773]

I always put my Lonesome Road special point into Endurance so I basically get two points lol

[@craigsovilla6578]

Endurance also effects the total amount of implants you can get from the clinic.

[@popeyeflorez-nk9hm]

Subdermal…

[@maguc5906]

One of my favorite "builds" is luck and endurance. Speedrun to the casinos, get rich off them, go to the clinic, start the game with +1 to all SPECIAL and extra goodies (Plus some leftover caps)

[@Ltriggered]

Casino chips glitch go brrrrrr

[@Sognafar]

@@kalender4176 the Luffy build

[@HappyBeezerStudios]

I don't even max out luck. If you know black jack, you don't need 9+1 luck, you just have to play the game. In a way, going with maybe 6-7 luck makes the casinos much more fun, because they offer a bit of a challenge, without being unfair.

[@fulltimeslackerii8229]

@@HappyBeezerStudios10 luck for the crit build gang

[@All-Fur-Coat_No-Trousers]

Im playing through NV right now for the first time in probably 10 years. I've never played any of the DLCs! Your videos have been my compass

[@zachlewis9751]

HH, OWB, DM, LR. That order is my recommendation.

[@All-Fur-Coat_No-Trousers]

​@@zachlewis9751 duly noted, I'll take your advice

[@drenemelia2960]

@@zachlewis9751 it's also the canonical order that the DLCs go in

[@bannedcommander2932]

@@drenemelia2960 I'm pretty sure the order was DM-HH-OWB-LR.

[@Perry....]

You get to experience OWB for the first time? Lucky bastard..

[@UltimateGamerCC]

Best Stats - End or Luck Worst Stat - Charisma

[@gtageek86]

Here is my Hot take... Charisma is the Best stat because you don't need it and can leave it at 1 to use those points elsewhere without suffering any real penalty. As it is easy to boost speech and barter. And you More or less passively invest skill points into them by playing naturally. It is useful because of how useless it is. Basically Schrodingers Charisma.

[@fg6971]

I agree, also there is the Tag perk where if desired speech or barter can be permanently increased by 15+ all skill points in one leveling up. Thats maybe 30 points plus another 10 or 20 points from a skill magazine when used.

[@ladyalicent705]

You may actually be onto something, because my favourite thing is being able to wear armour that reduces Charisma without penalty to speech or barter. Such things normally cause you to fail certain checks, but when your Charisma us already at 1? Then it has no effect!

[@manboy4720]

[Speech 12/100] you know what's even hotter than that take? you. how about you tell me more about the charisma stat in the bedroom?

[@clarencewalters338]

Playing a charisma 1 speech/barter 100 character is just playing as a neurodivergent who masks flawlessly and operates phenomenally in the world. 😹

[@mememoristyt8992]

@@fg6971 bro Tag perk is one of the worst perks In a Fallout Game

[@ulfricstormcloak5109]

I think the biggest reason perception is misunderstood is because the vigor machine at the start of the game says it affects weapon accuracy, which is false both in and out of vats in nv. Good to see somebody spreading the truth, only reason to take perception is for perks

[@Ruosteinenknight]

04:51 Interestingly enough, in old fallouts Endurance was considered the weakest stat by far. Basically, you could get everything that Endurance gave you by boosting Strength. Since in old fallouts radiation was non issue and poisoning was pretty non-existent, you didn't need really the main selling points of radiation and poison resistance. And if hit points were what you were after, then Strength was just the better option even if you didn't go melee character since extra carry weight is always nice and some weapons had strength requirements to use. In newer fallouts this was largely subverted and you had genuine reason to take Endurance as enviromental hazards were now much more common plus it modified skills. In Fallout 4, Endurance is once again thought to be "the worst stat" since other stats have more desirable perks (Who the hell takes Lead Belly or Aquaboy/girl over perks like Armorer or Gun nut?).

[@ReapeeRon]

That is true, although in Fallout 4 Lead Belly is probably at it's strongest (Not that it is that hard to do) and it is a decent option for the survival difficulty.

[@CD-zi6rb]

It’s determines the added HP per level up for your character too in FO4 which might be pretty good in something like Survival Difficulty. The Life Giver perks are really strong perks that only require you to invest less than 5 Endurance.

[@dmas7749]

Endurance is still okay in old-school Fallout, since it still gave more hit points than Strength.

[@ownage11445]

Endurance didn’t matter in Fallout 1 since crits played such a huge roll that a high level enemy could mow you down instantly regardless of your HP. Agility is what determined your survival.

[@raptordan166]

​@@ownage11445 That and there's some encounters that absolutely ensured a reload because there's too many enemies getting their sequence in to murder you or your companions.

[@toxickandy9669]

Luck build, voracious reader for true police stories, +10% crit chance by crafting the magazines

[@Myomer104]

And then add the perk that doubles all magazine effects to make the bonus 20%.

[@toxickandy9669]

@Myomer104 it's only 5% normally, it's 10% with Comprehension. But yea, forgot to mention taking Comprehension to get it to 10%.

[@noahhobson4521]

Intelligence, agility and luck are the three stats I boost the most. Dropping charisma and perception to 1 frees up a bunch of points. If I feel the need to detect things from further away, I'll just recruit ED-E.

[@RedSntDK]

I used to go really high int, but then I figured "heck, I'll get all the skill points even with subpar int"

[@bobbyjohnson1086]

I never go below 5 perception because of better criticals

[@coltonbrown26]

Put 1 in agility then use the Dead Money glitch to bring it up to 10+

[@jumptohyperspace]

If you have ED-E as a companion, you don’t even need Perception for detecting enemies. ED=E’s companion perk lets you see enemies on the compass as if you had max Perception.

[@darkfireslide]

Giving companions something like the Assault Carbine/LMG/AMR with 10 charisma is pretty funny so while the stat is bad it can be a very FUN stat, especially with Cass and her damage bonus from her quest

[@DinkLover69]

I say that makes charisma the best stat. Don't think people realize companions are op on Very Hard because they aren't debuffed by difficulty. Them taking care of all combat without any skill requirements, and being able to tank deathclaws at level 6 is hilarious. Just gotta horde shit, feed them ammo and spent all skills on never failing any speech checks. . . but I guess that's a boring way to play for most ppl. :I

[@yeahey5947]

@@DinkLover69my problem with companions is I prefer to play on hardcore so it’s annoying when the enemies just bum rush them and if it’s cazadores or smthng they’re dead and I have to reload, also I’m crazy so I actually sorta enjoy the combat to a degree

[@DinkLover69]

@@yeahey5947 I only play on hardcore. Cazadores are best avoided on any playthrough until you got good weapons lol. But companions tank the shit out of the poison if you give them one stimpack. And can kill a few with 50% charisma dmg before being hit.

[@cxsey333]

thank god man I really needed this video, I just reached the end of my first playthrough and I made bad choices with my S.P.E.C.I.A.L so this is gonna be ultra helpful for my next playthrough

[@Sardiniee]

What’s your build that you redid?

[@abrammilner9560]

Voracious reader and retention give the police stories magazine +10 crit for a decent time, making it at least a fun addition to chem using crit builds. Just kind of rough to use the wonderglue on them instead of weapon reapir kits

[@bowaster57]

There's a dozen ways maintain your weapons but there's only one way to buff your crits on the fly (that I can think of), that's the way I'd look at it

[@abrammilner9560]

​@@bowaster57 I agree, and +10 is big too. Combined with perks, gear, built to destroy and luck you're pushing %50 with laser weapons Over %50 with light armor and the perk for that*

[@max7971]

I’m drowning in Glue after feeding the sink robots a bunch of junk from the crater.

[@notices_demons]

@@max7971 I was going to mention that exact thing until I read your comment. Glue is a plenty.

[@EnclaveHere7]

I use stats based on roleplay I love roleplaying as a charismatic, genius, rich gambler type of guy. So i go for 10 charisma, 10 int, 10 Luck and 6 agility for guns.

[@ReapeeRon]

Awesome! That is a fun way to play Fallout too!

[@jackmclane1826]

10 is a waste in all af them at the start. As you have several ways to boost the stats on the way.

[@wahwahwah6690]

​@@jackmclane1826Some people don't care. It can be fun even if a few points go to waste.

[@YankeeBlues21]

I do a similar thing. As useful as stuff like strength and endurance are, I want to make a character that’s similar to how I’d imagine my personal stats would be, in which case it’s a Charisma & Intelligence build all the way. Plus I’ve always just been a fan of the charisma-based ways of solving problems and advancing quests in any RPG. I like my characters to be “talkers” and I feel like having that x-factor of being just plain likable makes the most sense as the leader/heart of any sort of ragtag group of heroes (Fallout with your companions, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, etc).

[@UnsweetTeaMozzarellaSticks]

This is why I can never drop my Charisma to 1 despite how useless it is. Don’t want to feel unlikable.

[@brantnuttall]

Yes, I agree that endurance is brilliant. I think it's the best best every point you have (up to 7) gives you an extra point through the Medical place.

[@glazzy4826]

The mods “Perception is Precision” and “Charisma Tweaks” actually fixes those two stats. Charisma influences speech checks and Perception affects your accuracy/vats accuracy

[@ReapeeRon]

Awesome, those can help.

[@MynameisFICTION]

my fav build was high endurance with solar powered, goulish, hp regen implant and the valance headpiece from old world blues. out healing damage and having 100 stimpacks to sell always felt good.

[@Twinkle-2000]

Luck, Intellegence, and Strength are what i usually invest most into in that order. I tend to take a point away from my base Endurance, leave my Perception at 3, and my Charisma at 2 (i can never bring myself to completely dump a stat and i often dip into Barter skill a lot)

[@SeanSpencerNekoEspirito]

Here's the thing: you don't really want to run below 8, or lowest 7 base Endurance because the implants function to boost all the stats.

[@totalwar1793]

Yeah I usually play with the old Fallout rules that Charisma/2 is my number of companions. So I never dump Charisma to 1 and Charisma 4 is actually somewhat useful

[@Twinkle-2000]

@@SeanSpencerNekoEspirito tbh i found out about that a couple of days after i left this comment lol

[@kinographer5926]

luck 10 --> run to vegas through sloan, dodging deathclaws --> get banned from all casinos -->have 40k caps maybe 60-90 minutes after opening the game

[@artsyvids2563]

You only rly need 7 for that (to 8)

[@fundip12]

may as well collect the 4 snowglobes you can get on that route

[@Alan2Spazz]

aint no way people actually had to kill the death claws just to pass to the strip😂😂🙏🏽 I just went through the vault 19

[@kreativwiebetonblock1327]

High perception is good for characters that move in sneak mode most of the time. It prevents most bad surprises (like enemies behind a corner).

[@ostsweinen5240]

You can change camera view to look around corners

[@FriendlyCall]

Personally the overall build that I tend to recommend is S-4 P-5 E-9 C-1 I-5 A-7 (+1 by taking one of the selectable perks in the tutorial) L-9 Overall with the implants and reinforced spine you end with S-7 P-6 E-10 C-2 I-6 A-8 L-10 which is what I found optimal in my playthroughs leaving me the most freedom to use any weapon I want.

[@AmalekIsComing]

perception is a dump stat

[@FriendlyCall]

@@AmalekIsComing Better criticals needs 6 perception, that's why I don't dump it.

[@gregoryporter-gaming2559]

What do you need 8 AGI for? is there a perk?

[@FriendlyCall]

@@gregoryporter-gaming2559 agility influences many things, such as V.A.T.S points and reload speed, but I just like a lot the perk tunnel runner which requires 8 agility and increases movement speed when sneaking with light or no armor. I personally tend to prefer light armor sniper build so it is a more than decent one to use.

[@iiiDandudeiii]

Like to go similarly stats for a sniper build but would take 1 of endurance and put on strength so 8 strength for the anti material rifle for later game though Gobi sniper and la longue carabine my two favourite weapons for sniper build

[@Steve-sw3vn]

Love your commentary & content on FNV. Hope you can keep finding things to discuss!

[@kevinbonin6173]

Thank you for the series of bed time stories you have offered this week.

[@ReapeeRon]

Glad you like them!

[@Shaheentop4]

Great stuff. Waiting for the melee weapons tier list too

[@Doragonkyasuta]

On the strength stat, I didn't know that OWB spine implant could be permanent and it gave you +2 strength. I'd been specing for 7 at the stat to get to 8 with the Clinic Implant because all the weapons I cared about using required at most 8 strength. But good to know that fits with what's optimal for min-maxing

[@ReapeeRon]

You are right about that it is considered a temp +2 str.

[@waterbottler8782]

If you are running a melee build, 6 agility is a must so you can get to 7 with the implant and get slayer

[@noobgun12]

Easy peasy 5 agility and take that plus 1 agility while your bones break easier trait then agility implant thats how i atleast do it

[@doctorevil444]

I might base my SPECIAL off of my IRL attributes rather than worrying about min-maxing lol but this video was really helpful nonetheless

[@TheJubberGubb]

Nice

[@templar525]

Best starting stat spread Ive played with is 7 Strength, 5 Perception, 9 Endurance, 6 Intelligence, 7 Agility, 1 Charisma, 5 Luck. Your able to get every good perk after implants. You can still wipe out a casinos with 6-7 Luck, just play blackjack.

[@paladin1630]

5, 5, 8, 1, 5, 8, 8 is my current favorite stat spread. Enough endurance to get all implants BUT the health regen one. After all implants you've got 6, 6, 9, 2, 6, 9, 9. 9 luck plus the naughty nightware sold by mick at mick and ralphs = 10 luck, free money from all casinos + crazy crit rate. High agility is also great for guns/vats builds. Low INT, but if you pick the skilled trait and the comprehension perk and get all skill books, you can max out all your skills. You should try it out if you get the chance!

[@Onlybadtakes2589]

Luck is S tier for me, gives me more crit chance and winning money at the casinos for GRA gear early game

[@rickh4601]

Great tier list as always! I always go either 8 or 9 luck then get the implant and rob the casinos blind

[@notices_demons]

Are you one of those players that can't figure out things on your own? Need all that precious info laid out there for you before you even begin the game? *Then* *welcome* ! You are in the absolute right place, because I'm one of those players myself and these videos are really informative.

[@fg6971]

I can get by with a charisma of 1 in NV. My most important are at least 8 in intelligence for more skill points when leveling up, and then having at least 6 in agility and perception for the sniper and better criticals perks for my vats build.

[@spuzzfipple951]

Others: My mom says I’m special. Me: Well mine called me EALISPC.

[@ryand.3858]

I put all my points into luck on NV and 4. I’ve tinkered with other builds but for some reason it feels like luck builds are very powerful. I never find myself wishing I hadn’t gone that route later in the game. In New Vegas there are a few situations where you can use luck to solve difficult problems. The characters reactions are funny too.

[@vaultboya6253]

In NV specifically, I've found that luck does allow for more crits and does let you get more from casinos. But i kinda ignore it anymore because with the DLCs you can get vast wealth pretty easy without bankrupting the casinos. So it's kinda meh in NV tbh

[@bacd-nn2lg]

I imagine that Cainos will put a bounty on your head if you have Luck stat of 10.

[@Entitusschule]

Charisma at the lowest tier really hurts my soul, if you think, you can handle many situations with pure charisma. For me personally it's way more useful than Perception, Luck or Agility for example.

[@ReapeeRon]

I find it good for a pacifist run but most the time I do a combat run.

[@Ashguy733]

I tend to agree in FNV a high Charisma is pretty useful. I honestly agree that I think its worth more the Luck(unless you want to break the bank at gambling) or Perception. Agility though I do like because I like some of the Perks that go with it. But to me as someone that likes to use my wits and charm to navigate RPGs, while having a strong build in case it doesn't I actually enjoy it.

[@baconsir1159]

Charisma =/= Speech/Barter. Even with 1 Charisma you can still max out both, and there are VERY few speech checks in the game that actually need Charisma. It’s pretty bad.

[@prepthenun]

@@baconsir1159 this! charisma is not worth it

[@WillieDangerously]

I'd like to hear game design arguments defending or arguing Unarmed being linked with Endurance over Strength. Does the non-skill buffs that Strength gives you so universally applicable that it would be too strong to also link an additional albeit unpopular combat stat like Unarmed?

[@djxak]

I think the misconception about Perception (that it affects accuracy) comes not only from old fallouts (where Perception didn't affect accuracy directly), but also from Fallout 4, where Perception does **really** affect accuracy directly (in VATS).

[@robhenderson5866]

Intelligence + luck/agility is the best way to start the game. I don’t see the reason to go crazy over endurance since you can increase it overtime.

[@max7971]

How tf are you going to increase endurance over time?

[@naenae2350]

@@max7971 intense training and implants, although I prefer endurance at early levels.

[@JustinAlcorn]

But with less than 9 endurance you're limited on the number of implants. Every point in endurance is a point somewhere else, just costing caps. Which isn't a problem with 8+ luck

[@Joshua-fi4ji]

​@@JustinAlcorn 7 or 8 Endurance with Intense Training and Implant taking it up to 10 is probably optimal. Especially on hardcore and high difficulty settings. You need 10 endurance to get every implant, but you could easily pass on the Charisma and health regen implants and not miss out on too much fine.

[@shadowreaper5413]

@@Joshua-fi4ji is health regen impl bad??

[@hray2281]

Yessss, the fallout content here is amazing. It’s like have a curated encyclopedia of the game.

[@andresgarduno6830]

This game is so much fun I can't wait to get the dlcs and play through them for the first time

[@ManDuderGuy]

Our boy is out here giving me an overdose of new vegas, and I'm here for it.

[@noahhendrix3498]

I have played New Vegas through and through. This is exactly where I would put all of the SPECIAL's.

[@memeteam8274]

i always value charisma more than any other, its S for me.

[@Ashguy733]

Personally for my build and depending if I want to get kicked out of the Casinos my top Specials are usually *Top* Strength Endurance Intelligence *Mid* Agility Charisma *Low* Perception Luck The funny thing is I actually like trying to get all the SPECIAL speech check options so as dumb as it sounds I build my character around unlocking those checks. Its why I don't put Charisma to 1 as there are some neat and useful speech checks you can pass with it being higher.

[@WhyWasItMyRealName]

Voracious reader is great if you have taken comprehension early on. Making it possible to make crit magazines that gives 10% crit chans for just 1 wonderglue and 2 damaged books

[@Lotusdreams]

I agree. Many skills and whatnot become irrelevant late game but the boost magazines give is super useful early and due to the crit book you mentioned it has more than enough relevance for a single point. Especially since both barter and speech a superb for many quests but Charisma is so terrible. In that case copy 20 magazines, pop + 20 and party menstats, pass any check even with 1 C. The duration of the books is secondary but the double effect is 10/10

[@jigthh]

If i remember right, Bethesda fixed Perception in Fallout 4, making it actually increase the hit chances in VATS.

[@mattsweet2467]

I find STR 3 to be plenty, and can be boosted to 6 permanently, paired with the weapon handling perk and power armor, a starting 3 STR courior can handle all weapons fine by mid/late game

[@ReapeeRon]

That works very well for this kind of build.

[@blaze3495]

6:46 charisma is very useful in Fallout 4 if you are into settlement building and it's also a must have in survival runs imo.

[@lydiasteinebendiksen4269]

Here is a list of suggestions for how to spice things up by speccing differently from what you're used to. I will try to give you an excuse to and a plan for dumping or speccing for each stat. S - Strength Dump: Spec: Get the biggest guns and power armor, and buy enough ammo to never run out. You will feel like an angel of death, and to put a cherry on top, have a chainsaw or thermic lance with sick damage. P - Perception Dump: Aren't you alreaddy? This stat offers little besides skills, and luck or int compensate easily. Spec: Blow shit up with explosives, and for a bonus never miss a detail in dialogue. You don't need it, but explosives rely so little on anything gained by other stats, and perception lets you see stuff sooner so you can get them while they're at a distance. E - Endurence Dump: If you don't like challanges, i have nothing, but if you do then get ready for fallout nv the puzzle game. With no health every hit becomes deadly, every second in radiation is costly, and for what it's worth you will allways need a weapon as your fists are useless. face every challenge as a puzzle where you need to find the solution or perish. Spec: If you want a break this is a no brainer, but if you want a challenge considder baning weapons, armor, and chems you haven't crafted. Unarmed, unarmored, but still a menace. C - Charisma Dump: Aren't you alreaddy? Spec: Yes, passifist run, it's that obvious, but considder also that if you want to drop strength and endurence you can take someone like Veronica and use her as a tank, while you can hang back and snipe the enemy. You don't need health or melee damage, and your buddy can carry your stuff. Not as reliable as strength and endurence, but two stats take up twice as many points, so by trading both you can get some utility back with charisma and then spec more into other stats. I - Intelligence Dump: Fallout is a great game, if yu dump intelligence, you get funny dialogue options, you can understand giberish, and paired with wild wasteland it's a great way to play a funnier and slightly more challenging way. Spec: Aren't you alreaddy? Getting more skill points on level up and more helpful dialogue options than any other stat makes int amazing. A - Agility Dump: Eh... masochism? Look, agility is so integral to the most basic stuff like v.a.t.s. and handling weapons (reload or swap) that dumping it is viable for a pacifist run, for a challenge, and basically just that. It could be interesting to dump it and then rebind the v.a.t.s. button to try a v.a.t.s. free run to see how adicted you really are, but apart from pacifist runs agility is critical. Though either explosives or companions are reccomended if you do dump agility. Spec: Aren't you alreaddy? If you for some reason have yet to spec for agility, then just do so and you'll be golden, focus on guns and use v.a.t.s. when you feel like it, enjoy the ability to swap and reload weapons fast and play Fallout nv. If you want a different way to use agility, then may I let you in on the fact that the original fallout was deaigned such that all main quests had at least three solutions: fighting, talking, or sneaking. I bet you can solve more problems than you expected without even being seen, try a stealth build. L - Luck Dump: Do you wanna feel acomplished? Climb up from rock bottom with no luck to get you free stuff. Nearly no crits, no free casino money, and only skills you have worked for, meaning not much untill you start working! Luck isn't necissary, and if you like to feel like you earned evry inch, dumping it can help Spec: On the other hand, if you want to have it all, why not begin decent in moat things and head off to vegas to get rich? Crit builds have tons of support in this game, and with a nice shiny weapon you bought with all that casino money I'm sure you can have some fun hitting them where it counts. How to: Dump all: Does doing such a thing aound like what you'd want to do? Play pathologic, or pathologic 2, it is a simmilar kind of game but bleaker and without any of the growing in power stuff. Spec all: You want to be exceptio al at everything? Look up console commands. If you haven't used them before, it can seem scary, but most commands are risk free, and you can open the console with a single button alreaddy if you didn't know. Beware though, it may become a slippery slope where you can't resist the temptation and wind up ruining the challenge of all your runs by teleporting everywhere, spawning in powerful gear and skipping all booring quests, remember that the game devs knew what they were doing for the most part.

[@ReapeeRon]

I would agree with most of this! Thanks for the very long and thought out comment!

[@devantemelendez]

Main note personally upset agility went above intelligence, which is why the Caesar run bothered me. Though not going through the hassle of making a channel and respect another’s right to have an opinion about this even if I had the power to do otherwise…I hope.

[@MadMexii]

One thing about voracious reader is combined with comprehension it allows you to make your own true police storie magazines, which gives you 10% crit that is affected by multipliers. Killer perks for a crit build

[@NeroLordofChaos]

Endurance is probably the single most important stat in the game bar none. If solely because of the implant mechanics. Every point in endurance up to 7 is effectively a +1 to another stat. This means that if you know the absolute minimum number of S.P.E.C.I.A.L. points a perk requires, you can make your build N-1 and add a point to another stat you want in your build more, buying the relevant implant to bring you up to the minimum for your perk. Strength is definitely higher tier just because Strongback and Burden to Bear exist, especially in hardcore. 2 perks and an extra 100 points to your carrying capacity. Combined with Heavyweight and/or Packrat, you can carry a deceptive amount of gear. If you're using glitches, intentionally or not, agility and intelligence actually take a sizable hit for all nonperk related matters The Dead Money clothing glitch can give you infinite Agility (to the point reloads for even slow single loading weapons like the .357 or hunting shotgun are instantaneous) in exchange for pre-war clothes The Skilled trait glitch can give you 15 free points in all skills over the course of the game (which when combined with the Good Natured trait, is 20 for basically all noncombat skills, more than enough for even 1 intelligence builds to max out most or all noncombat skills and at least one combat skill). [Skilled is already BROKENLY powerful even without the glitch since it gives the equivalent of 65 free skill points, which is several LEVELS worth of points to even a 10 intelligence build which, without educated, gets 15 points and 17 with. Skilled at its absolute weakest level is more than 4 levels worth of points and is closer to 6 for lower intelligence builds]

[@Jaxdrill]

And now I await the energy weapon tier list.

[@cirogrieco3580]

I played a charisma-luck build, it was fantastic, i was just fucking around and good stuf was happening to me. I didn't go in the hottest point early in the game, but I came back there with an arsenal

[@andynonya1490]

I'm doing a low intelligence build in NV and it's pretty fun and funny with all the unique dialogue options you get with 1 in intelligence.

[@chrispeng5502]

I always take 10 luck no matter how I play the game. It is the only explanations why the carrier survived a 9mm right into the head. Pissing off every casino in New Vegas with my magical gamble skill is also sweet. And crits with .22 pistol is fun. Like pew, pew, pew, pew, BANG!

[@ReapeeRon]

Luck is a fun stat!

[@asturias0267]

You can basically always have bonus strength by eating steaks. It's so easy to get a bunch of them.

[@pickleman40]

Voracious Reader can be great for crit builds, infinite detective magazines can mean an additional +10 crit chance with appropriate perks, often overlooked.

[@pattozebass9767]

You didnt kill Swanick? what kind of monster are you?

[@borekminer]

intelligence and charisma makes you an absolute conversational GOD,if you have those you win every single conversation the game lets you win(basically talking yourself out of anything,to the point that you can just skip the less important parts of missions) but if you are a person that prefers combat then just choose your average combat build

[@Ulqui_210]

Hope you do melee and unarmed weapons soon. Some of em can be completely insane with the right build *stares intensely at the Superheated Cosmic Knife, The Two-Step Goodbye, and Gehenna*

[@alexlandsbergs]

Im personally a fan of using Oh Baby! completely decked out in power armor lol

[@Ulqui_210]

@@alexlandsbergs Oh that too, how could I forget that.

[@saiyanelite7919]

I really like your tier list. I havnt had hardly any disagreements with the placements. If anything ive reevaluated alot my my playthroughs and thought huh i would of had a much easier time if i picked this perk instead

[@CCLOSPINA]

Charisma is only useful, if you want "Animal friend" perk.

[@majorlouis956]

Dude where have you been i,ve adh i struggle to get head round starting, thanks this help a lot

[@ReapeeRon]

No problem glad that this could help!

[@davidhouston4810]

Agreed, I'm glad you did not completely dismiss Charisma, Fallout 3 players always say its useless, in which, it was. But in New Vegas, Particularly if your Playing Hard Core, as I do, I always start with 5, implant 6 & intense training 7 This makes Companions much Tougher and Effective in Combat, and Helps to keep them alive, later in the game. Deathclaw's can Kill them in seconds, then your on your own, and Legion Assassins get Tougher and Tougher.

[@mr.cauliflower3536]

I think that voracious reader can be kinda useful if you use it to craft the crit books

[@jprepo1]

Charisma in D really doesn't do justice to how many situations speech can get you out if in the game, and how strong your companions can get, to say nothing of the rp element

[@kylekiel2763]

I won't argue that luck is the best stat, but I feel high luck is an easy way to explain why the player character survived the 9mm faceoff. Also being some lucky asshole who survives all encounters because just lady luck loves you feels very Vegas for me and is the main reason I find myself going high luck 9 times out of 10.

[@MyRedHulk]

Small correction: you can get all the implants from the clinic with just 8 endurance. There are 7, one for each special stat, and the other two, for armor and healing. The endurance implant boosts your base endurance by 1, and actually "pays for itself" so to speak. Just make sure you don't try to install it last, because then your body can't handle it.

[@templar525]

The Endurance Implant will not raise the cap for implants. Only base Endurance will count. You need 9 base Endurance to get every implant.

[@sterd1149]

Also, the healing implant is worthless compared to literally every perk available that also gives that ability. Just take solar powered bruv.

[@buttahXD]

​@Balthazaar more passive healing is not a bad thing, especially on hardcore.

[@bitterleafcastle1552]

Yep, the END implant won't increase the maximum implants you can install

[@sterd1149]

@@buttahXD I mean, sure. However Solar Powered's 1HP/sec versus Monocyte Breeder's 12HP/in-game hour. Plus that Strength buff.

[@ShinyCircus]

Awesome tierlist, my man! Do you have any plans of making an Unarmed weapons tierlist (Power Fist, Industrial Hand, etc.)?

[@ReapeeRon]

Yeah sometime in the future.

[@ugipse]

From a full DLC perspective, I’d say: S: A - recommend 6 (10 with implant, reinforced spine and power armour). Carry weight and weapon handling so helpful for any build. Everything else is a build necessity or bonus. P: C - 5 (6 implant). For perks only. ED-E handles radar. E: S - 9 (10 implant). Max for implants and max health & resistances useful for obvious reasons. C: F - 1 (2 implant). Dump stat. I: B - 3 or 4 (4 or 5 implant). As you say… you don’t even need high intelligence to get 100 in all skills. Not hitting skill checks is annoying, but mentats and black coffee can overcome that. A: A - 7 or 8 (8-10 implant and perhaps Lonesome Road). Good for perks. VATs (including recharge time) and reload speed also very useful. L: S - 8 (9-10 implant and perhaps Lonesome Road). Great early game money making without exploits. Great for crits. Best skills uplift bar intelligence.

[@c.k-da-kxnghere]

Strength is always an A tier. Carry weight alone makes strength super useful. I like to carry around different outfits for boost to certain stats or attributes. And I carry at least 8 weapons and frags and mines. Add on all the stuff I'm gonna pick up along the way, and strength becomes super important

[@Samuel-vt7oq]

With most of your videos. My options typically are the opposite. I have logged many, many hours( days, weeks, months) playing FNV. You pick the topic, and I may have something to say about it. Then again. I hardly go DLC routes. So there is something I will concede when it may be concerned

[@sylvio1052]

For the weapons' strength requirement, there is actually a perk that lowers it by 2. Therefore, I do not tend to have my character's strength higher than 6. Also, power armor increases strength by 1-2 which is also pretty nice, negating according to me the need for a very high strength.

[@woddlyoats]

I used to think charisma was the best because i used to just basically use it to cheese every opportunity i get but i realized that i could just dump the skill points in speech directly and not even use the special stat

[@ReapeeRon]

That is also kind of true, it is really good for speed running the game.

[@phaedrus17]

2:00 is no one going to mention this save by the bighorner?!

[@ReapeeRon]

They are great!

[@TerryHesticles]

Loving the Fallout content, it’s a nice break from DRG👍🏽

[@ReapeeRon]

Thanks, glad that you are liking it!

[@caboose759]

Just started a new playthrough as a regen monster and I've been having alot of fun with it. Crank your Endruance and Strength up to 9, Agility to 6, and whatever else you want to spread. Start with Logan's Loophole and Skilled/Built to Destroy. Tag Survuval, Repair and an offensive skill, I chose Hand to Hand. The meat of the build are Old World Gourmand and Rad Child with a bunch of defensive perks. When you drink Scotch/Vodka/Wine with Gourmand and Logan's Loophole, the healing lasts longer as well as the stat buffs. Couple that with constant healing at full radiation you'll be spending whole fights with a constant 12+ HP regen. The alcohol and other drugs like Buffout negate the negative effects of the radiation as well so aside from maybe perception, you aren't suffering any major debuffs either. Add Toughness, Light touch to Mitigate Crits and other defensive perks and you can tank through some major fights. Not as viable in Very Hard without some meaty armor to back you up but even there it's been a real fun way to deal with fights.

[@noah1535]

Don't forget Med-X and the other craftables that give damage resistance you make at campfires (forget the names, think there's 2), they stack damage resistance to reduce damage before damage threshold's reductions

[@joolsmacgrools1288]

Animal friend is quite useful in exactly two places: Zion and Big MT. And there are a number of situations where it can turn the tide of battle in your favor. It’s still not what I’d call good, and investing that much into charisma makes me feel dirty but I can’t say I hate the results, from what I’ve seen of it. It was probably more viable in FO3, at least until the damage sponge enemies start showing up.

[@ReapeeRon]

That is a fair statement. It does help with those areas.

[@shadedergu9921]

In the older fallouts (1 and 2) all dialogue in the game would be changed by how intelligent you were, with many interactions and dialogue routes being tied behind having 7+ Int. Pair it with higher Perception (since high perception in Fallout 1 and 2 would also impact Dialogue, same as Charisma itself but more rarely), and how you get many more Skill Points in Fallout Games before New Vegas per point of int, and Intelligence was often as important as high Agility/Luck in optimal builds that weren't trying to be idiot runs.

[@Lotusdreams]

I think the video missed one of the greatest up and downsides of Charisma: First of all C is not needed as a permanent stat. Id agrue it is infact both the most useful and situational, on any build. To make it even better the perks barter and speech are the exact same. Second of all it is by far the easiest stat to boost with party menstats, menstats, alcohol and wearables. So why do we need points at all? For the skills that are terrible? Even for a companion build I use the other boosts since that leaves way more utility to the player which is super relevant if you are not fighting. In short C is powerful but the player gets to decide when which is not the case for any other stat and thus it can be build and played around

[@MrZega000]

Vegas I always make sure I have at least (lucky) 7 points in luck to clear the casinos and get reliable crits.

[@ReapeeRon]

Yeah that is nice, unless you are running an explosives build.

[@bloodshotbear6840]

This game is almost 13 years old and I glad people are still making videos about it

[@TheFlubber06]

S Luck, Endurance A Strength B Intelligence (Higher tier if you don't have DLC) C Agility D Perception, Charisma

[@BaeBunni]

I wanna make the argument Charisma is better than Preception, but both are basically dump stats. The fact that a pretty good portion of dlc make you have a companion anyway. Honest Hearts, and Dead money specifically with Lonesome Road also having EDE. Making them better fighters isn't much of a negative. Also a pretty decent amount of the side content are the companions and giving them bonus damage and bonus DT is very beneficial especially since hardcore mode give them permadeath.

[@TheEldritchGoth]

honest to god Charisma is usually my highest stat

[@ReapeeRon]

It can be really good on a pacifist run! Or a companion run.

[@ShadowWolf767]

Love NV, but never knew that charisma only did so little, except for companions, thought it gave better chances at speech checks or more options in speech, if it only does companion bonuses it sound real useless for me, not saying it can be useful for others but that's just crazy to think I could have had better builds if I dropped no points into it, Same with perception, aside from small stuff I thought it helped with better aiming and shots, even after years of this game, I still feel like a novice xD, Love it all tho, now to make better builds now with new knowledge!

[@Neogears1312]

There’s some speech checks that need charisma and options don’t even show up without one.

[@trmp3tply3r3]

@@Neogears1312 Dawg, there's like 2 charisma based interactions, and both are whatever. The mini boomers, which you can get idolized without that charisma, and flirting with... Corporal Betsy was it?

[@ShadowWolf767]

@@trmp3tply3r3 that's not many to make it even worth it tbh, if you don't care for flirting or whatever the mini boomers do, it makes it clear that charisma is a waste unfortunately.. They should have balanced it more

[@trmp3tply3r3]

@@ShadowWolf767 no yeah, unless you really wanna jack up companions, you should just tank this stat and put it into others. If you really like Speech and/or Barter, just tag them in the beginning, and get Skilled and/or Good Natured if you aren't using other traits.

[@MyH3ntaiGirl]

​@@trmp3tply3r3literally Speech/Barter is all you need even if you get 1 CHR Companion already quite good at 1 CHR, just give them something other than their base weapon and make sure their STR is enough to handle the weapon Like i give Boone the Gobi Sniper and damm he blasting that thing like a machine gun, everything just dead Give it a try, at CHR 1, give Boone Gobi or This Machine, give him AP or hand loaded ammo Watch him kill everyone in Legion Fort

[@tansanbotilya1443]

Gambling wih 10 luck is basically cheating

[@dumpy8312]

Tried it myself for the first time in a recent playthrough I was amazed at how quickly I was able to get cut off at every casino table but I was loaded when I was done lmao

[@demetriajones3231]

Gamblecore

[@ethancarlyle749]

Something only a synth would say!!!!

[@asturias0267]

So do you not want to have high perception on an explosive/energy weapons build? I just started a new character with high perception who is going to be using both weapon skills.

[@M2Brad]

You pretty much want a 6 in Perception at most when starting your build and usually only for perk selection. 7 with the implant gives you access to better criticals and 6 lets you get the hobbler and sniper perk. Beyond that, your only true benefit is minor skill point increases that don't matter as much with the lv50 cap. Or the ability to see foes on the radar sooner. 7 points will also pass most conversational tests. For anything above that, temporary perception is very easy to acquire. Multiple companions and a huge array of clothing both basic and end game will give more than enough temporary Perception.

[@max7971]

@@M2Brad better critical requires 6 in LCK and PER. So there’s no reason to go more than 5 @ creation +1 from implant

[@M2Brad]

@@max7971 Yeah you are correct.

[@bjokvi91]

I'm thinking of going: (+1= implants) S-7+1. P-5+1. E-8+1. C-1. I-6+1. A-6+1. L-7+1. with Good Natured and Skilled(×3). I'll be playing sneaky sniper + VATS and crits for cqc. 7+1 strength is for my compulsive hoarding, and to meet the requirements for the Anti-materiel rifle. Maybe i should go with 6+1 for strength instead, if i can get +2 from Big MT. I'll probably go to Big MT before my guns skill reaches 100 either way, so i wouldn't meet the requirements for the AMR until then anyways.

[@NeroLordofChaos]

If you're using glitches, you could always do the run goodsprings run glitch if you have 4 free hours to do it (or do the level up command). Get double the perks.

[@devantemelendez]

There was one super squishy but smart lucky, charismatic mildly lucky, if possible, guy in the wasteland.

[@SvengelskaBlondie]

9:36 Fallout 3 literally throws skillpoints at you constantly. You get 10 + Int x 2 skill points per lvl, something that educated increases with 3. On top of that you have bobbleheads that give you +10 skillpoints and skill books that give 1 point or 2 if you have comprehension perk. Lastly there are a few items that give skill points, one of them is the thing you get from little yew if you succeed with a speech check (gives you perm +10 speech). Allot of perks give skillpoints as well, allot of them suck (the 2x5 skillpoints are pretty much waste of space). With how many skill books there are ( There are 13 different Skill Books and 24 or 25 copies of each scattered through-out the Capital Wasteland.), just taking comprehension means bit over 300 skillpoints MORE. On my last playthrough, I managed to get all but three skills maxed to 100 (wasn't really trying to max them, you just get that many skillpoints).

[@Anticury_8462]

Personally, I think Charisma run actually its very good. Its unbelievable the number of stuff you can get or solve using speech or trade, and in my 1st playtrough was an absolute win. But it was 8 in charisma and luck, so maybe luck was the thing XD

[@Dru1D_]

Yes, however. In FO3 Charisma influenced every dialogue check tied to the Speech skill (as being part of the formula so checks used to be percentage-based). IIRC in FNV most Speech checks are tied to the actual skill value and not a random formula so it isn't as important. Correct me if I'm wrong though.

[@Anticury_8462]

@@Dru1D_ Actually yeah, most of the speech checks are related to certain skill like Medicine or Explosives. Even so, it has helped me in a lot of ocasions when the speech check its available, or the trade check. Its not absolute, but there are a surprising amount of options to use Speech

[@DrClock-il8ij]

@@Anticury_8462 You don't really need charisma to pass the speech checks. The first couple of quests give you enough xp to level speech enough to pass early game checks, maybe with a magazine if needed. As you progress through the game if you always level speech you'll be 100 before you even get to Vegas

[@lucretiakillingsworth]

You're special You're special You're special I'll speak to you-a to make yourself popular!

[@Maxdamageplus]

Judging from the trend of his Fallout Uploads, I assume a New Vegas DLC tier list is inevitable, and I am so excited for it. If it is on the way. I think how you rank the New Vegas DLCs can be an indicator of what it is that you value about playing FNV

[@PolishGod1234]

Old World Blues takes the cake for me. All of the think tank scientists as well as Dr. Mobius and sink characters are so damn good

[@Maxdamageplus]

For me, Dead Money is first by far. Then Lonesome Road. Big Mountain and Zion are kinda tied. I’ve done Dead Money 3 times. One of which was Hardcore, and it’s always so fun having everything stripped away from you. I love how quiet it is, I love going through and listening to what everyone has to say about this place. Particularly God and Christine. And the actual gameplay is very fun for me.

[@PolishGod1234]

@@Maxdamageplus I haven't played Dead money and Lonesome road yet. But Old world blues was definitely better than Honest Hearts imo. Honest Hearts had beautiful location (Zion) and I liked the tribes, Joshua Graham and survivalist story were the best parts of that dlc, but its story felt too short and its missions were fetch-quests.

[@Maxdamageplus]

@@PolishGod1234 Dead Money is very “you love it or you hate it” I think. I think that both Zion and Big MT had a lot of fetch quests. Big MT has an actually cool application after you finish it though. Getting all of the personality modules is one big fetch quest but once you’re done, heading back there is actually worth it. I think because of that, I’d rank Old World Blues over Zion, actually

[@PolishGod1234]

@@Maxdamageplus to be fair with Old World Blues you can collect all items and holotapes required for quests by simply exploring. Its quests are much better than Zion's because every location where you can find items for story also provides some nice background for the Big MT, while in Zion the stuff you need to find is just in some random wooden shops without any story except for being marked.