SpectraLayers vs RipX vs Fadr vs Moises: Which Unmixes Best?

[@Peter-gu9ph]

Thanks very much for doing all these tests... Here are time codes to quickly click backwards and forwards to re-check and re-compare anything. Vocals Only - SpectraLayers 01:06 - Moises 1:20 - Fadr 1:35 - RipX 01:50 - Original 02:04 Instrumental - SpectraLayers 02:52 - Moises 03:07 - Fadr 03:21 - RipX 03:36 Drums Only - SpectraLayers 04:10 - Moises 04:25 - Fadr 04:39 - RipX 04:53 Bass Only - SpectraLayers 05:25 - Moises 05:39 - Fadr 05:54 - RipX 06:08 I think SpectraLayers v10 wins in every category for this example - to my ears it has the best defined transients, best sound clarity and least artefacts.

[@danielayotalks]

Wow, thank you for the time codes!

[@howard927]

@@danielayotalks Bro Bad terms of use ? ( RipX ) what's up with this ? If I record an original song in this DAW I can't release the song recorded with this DAW (hitnmix) according to this term of use. whats up with this ? All copyright, trademarks, design rights, patents and other intellectual property rights (registered and unregistered) in and on HIT’N’MIX and all content (including all applications) located on the site shall remain vested in Hit’n’Mix Ltd or its licensors (which includes other users). You may not copy, reproduce, republish, disassemble, decompile, reverse engineer, download, post, broadcast, transmit, make available to the public, or otherwise use HIT’N’MIX content in any way except for your own personal, non-commercial use. You also agree not to adapt, alter or create a derivative work from HIT’N’MIX. Any other use of HIT’N’MIX content requires the prior written permission of Hit’n’Mix Ltd.

[@ianwright9095]

I have been using RipX for about 5 months now and have been amazed at how consistently great it is at separating vocals to then be reused in remixing. Yes it does have artefacts but once you get to know your way around the visual display and the noise layer at the bottom of the extract which you can either delete completely or go more carefully through it to delete all apart from the emphasised consonants like 's', 't', 'p' or 'b' then you can get truly clean vocals. It even works with harmonied voices....or where there has been reverb added to the vocal where you can pretty much strip that reverb off the vocal 80-90% of the way. It is incredible how far these products have come.

[@gazmellen7881]

Great job to immediately compare the different applications.

[@TashaCaufield]

Very helpful! Thanks! 💫

[@danielayotalks]

You're welcome! 👍

[@Seathasky]

For drums, you said RIPX was your preference, yet it had the most bleed. I'm curious why you chose that one?

[@kirkfischer8300]

Thanks for this. Not sure why you would choose a song where the singer is practically mumbling- its hard to compare.

[@danielayotalks]

Can agree to disagree. The singer is definitely not mumbling

[@RandomVelocity]

I agree, but it’s because you don’t have professionals doing these type of videos I mean, you know it’s ridiculous. Use a clear audio track with distinct separate parts and that’s the best for testing. This music sounds muddy and the singer is mumbling somewhat. I agree.

[@garethde-witt6433]

Have not found any that work well especially with multiple guitars. Ripx was really bad at it

[@audiowithinmusic7274]

🔥🔥🔥

[@toasteroven6761]

For a free browser program Fadr wins----unless one of its competitors can really knock everything else out the park in the future...

[@danielayotalks]

Was really surprised by Fadr. It's a no brainer if all you care about is the separation

[@drumabove]

You mentioned that you used the best quality settings for the other apps, but you didn't use Moises hifi settings (their best quality setting), would that not make a difference for the comparison?

[@Peter-gu9ph]

Fadr Basic (the free version) is great if you are happy with MP3 audio quality and just the 4 basic stems. I personally need WAV for all stems, and I think US $10/month or $100/year for Fadr Plus is a bit overpriced. For example, I would rather buy RipX on sale for only US $69 (or US $99 full price) which I think creates better quality stems than Fadr Plus and you own it forever... Anyway, I think right now SpectraLayers v10 has the best stem separation overall (in terms of well-defined transients, least artefacts and best sound quality, plus you can re-split the drum and vocal stems down even further into individual drum/percussion parts or lead vocal/backing vocal etc.). I just got an amazing Black Fri deal from Steinberg to cross-grade from iZotope RX which I think is the best value for money overall too, especially given all the other pro audio processing features SpectraLayers v10 offers... :)

[@sullybush]

costings would of been a nice touch to add

[@danielayotalks]

Good point.

[@lukearmstrong1366]

I really appreciate what you have done here.... So, Ive only just stumbled upon Moises combining audio fab to get files into Moises... using it to remove vocals and guitar to create backing tracks so i can then perform solo with my own vocal and acoustic guitar with a full sound when needed... is there a easier way of doing this? It now looks like RipX is clearly dominating...

[@danielayotalks]

Not sure if there's an easier way with Moises but RipX did good with this track

[@lukather1]

What about midi extraction ? Do these all do it ?

[@danielayotalks]

Only RipX and Fadr provide midi extraction currently

[@kisho2679]

Wich hardware media player for DJs does have stem separation embedded?

[@danielayotalks]

This? www.rane.com/rane-four

[@charlesurdy-barnes413]

I understand that the most popular music today does not use real instruments and so the song that you chose works fine. But it would be good if this were demonstrated with musical styles that still use real instruments. For example when you demonstrated the bass it was hard to tell anything on this example, since it is not really bass but rather a bassy level sound that is playing in most of these songs. It always sounds so muddy, you can't really discern much from it other than it is a low frequency in the range of bass, but the quality of it is always imprecise.

[@danielayotalks]

That's a fair point 👍

[@kir7331]

Spectralayers 10 is the cleanest with the least artifacts. But you are right, despite that RipX sounds more like the original. It depends what your planning to do with the stems. For AI voice training I would still prefer the cleanest version from Spectralayers 10. For remixing I would prefer the RipX version because you could work around most artifacts. Thank you for the comparison and have a nice day!

[@SyncFloyd-fm7vi]

5:00 where's the original drum stem 😢

[@danielayotalks]

Wasn't provided stems for the instrumental unfortunately.

[@clauseclause6640]

IMO, every comparison RipX has better sound but some bleeding, Fadr cleaner but dull sound, SpectraLayers worst everytime.

[@danielayotalks]

Fadr is definitely the best if you are looking for a free plugin...

[@Domz12]

going with FADR first cuz it's free

[@danielayotalks]

Not a bad choice. You could also consider UVR kzbin.info/www/bejne/q2SxpaOaqZKjebcsi=USK3rmrT7WJDjuAG

[@johnfrancis1925]

Why stem an autotuned voice?

[@danielayotalks]

Why not?

[@johnfrancis1925]

Ask Jay-Z@@danielayotalks

[@danielayotalks]

@@johnfrancis1925 😆

[@tonypalermo4506]

The effect on the voice makes it harder for us to evaluate if the unmix apps left artifacts. Try a regular voice.

[@danielayotalks]

@@tonypalermo4506 the autotune effect is not so strong that you can't make objective assessments. It's actually a lighter setting compared against the genre of music.

[@nubianking7097]

none of the others compare to RipX in my experience

[@danielayotalks]

RipX is a beast!

[@deanivan3951]

And rip x does not compete with FL studio 12.2 stems.

[@bradatherton9369]

​@@deanivan3951Your comment is appreciated if it's coming from the experience of having used both. Did you try RipX or SL before favoring FL Studio 12.2?

[@IsaiAI1]

X minus pro?

[@danielayotalks]

There's so many to go through!

[@howard927]

😱😱😱😱Bro Bad terms of use ? ( RipX ) what's up with this ? If I record an original song in this DAW I can't release the song recorded with this DAW (hitnmix) according to this term of use. whats up with this ? All copyright, trademarks, design rights, patents and other intellectual property rights (registered and unregistered) in and on HIT’N’MIX and all content (including all applications) located on the site shall remain vested in Hit’n’Mix Ltd or its licensors (which includes other users). You may not copy, reproduce, republish, disassemble, decompile, reverse engineer, download, post, broadcast, transmit, make available to the public, or otherwise use HIT’N’MIX content in any way except for your own personal, non-commercial use. You also agree not to adapt, alter or create a derivative work from HIT’N’MIX. Any other use of HIT’N’MIX content requires the prior written permission of Hit’n’Mix Ltd.

[@danielayotalks]

The non-commercial use is interesting, not sure how that can be enforced

[@howard927]

​@@danielayotalks not sure how that can be enforced ? by taking you to court. they embed a code and you're done. so making a hit with this DAW can be a problem. they need to make it clear to us all

[@howard927]

@@danielayotalks Read it. its ambiguous "All copyright, "

[@charlesurdy-barnes413]

I'm not an attorney, and am not even one who understands a little about the law. But I believe what you have posted is not referring to what you create and or record using their DAW. That paragraph appears to be addressing that you cannot modify such as reverse engineer their product (software) to make your own.

[@MooNote_Music_Workshop]

huh, seems like moises is most suck one？

[@danielayotalks]

It's not the best with the example song

[@MooNote_Music_Workshop]

@@danielayotalks I think moises is friendly for some people who wants to listen track and play instruments with mobile device. Thanks for spending time to do this research, it's help me a lot 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@Jrel]

Great video and it's nice to see someone doing these. I have both RipX and SL Pro 10. By tweaking the BEST preset in SL 10, SL 10 can be better than RipX and the other AI stem separators. Here are some tips for improving SL 10. Sample rate 4096 or higher, always select one stem plus OTHER when doing stem separation. So do, Vocals + Other, Drums + Other, etc. Not all at the same time. This makes the engine work better. Of course, this depends on the source audio and the program. Sometimes RipX has been better on the vocals than the others.

[@Reggi_Sample]

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