MY INVISIBLE FRIEND | Giorno VS Joker | DEATHBATTLE! Reaction!

[@mechamanw668]

the reason why GER's reality wrping didn't word is because Almighty attacks care capable of bypassing that and the omnipotent orb can resist reality warping, meanwhile GER isn't as invincible as people think, as anything which can work outside the bounds of reality or fate are unaffected by Return to Zero

[@aaron16182]

I wonder if an ability like king crimson that allowed Diavolo to ignore his fate would work on that (ignoring the fact of the extreme difference in power with persona and that he got cooked by GER) or something like Go beyond from part 8 qualifies better on that aspect

[@DJ-LD]

My dude. Ger literally ignores fate and can ignore someone else who is also capable of ignoring fate. That's literally how the confrontation with divovlo went.

[@qeditz1547]

@@DJ-LDDiavolo doesn’t ignore fate, joker just isn’t affected by stuff like that and has acausality to some degree

[@thechatteringclown]

@@DJ-LD Diavolo's stand messes with and ignores time, not fate. those are two completely different concepts.

[@DatKrazyMangaArtist]

​@@thechatteringclown I mean if you think about it diavolo practically changes fate by messing with time.

[@menethemene1555]

Btw here’s and explaination at 17:26 giorno didn’t use revert to zero here giorno amplified joker’s senses making him think he moved to shoot giorno when in actuality he didn’t move at all

[@for_the_lore5567]

And he was able to do it through Joker's link to Arsene using GE

[@scurreith3667]

23:24 So, a brief explanation Omnipotent Orb: Orb that bends the laws of the universe, Nullifies all damage except Almighty Damage ^Orb can bend the laws of the universe to make you immune to damage, but Almighty damage cannot be stopped even by something that's stated to Bend the Laws of the Universe Meanwhile it's explained Golden Experience Requiem CAN be overpowered by things that bend the laws of the universe as seen in the battle with World over Heaven, which effectively means that Almighty Damage is even Stronger than something that has been proven to overpower Golden Experience Requiem

[@solredqueen]

Joker is able to switch between Personas mid-battle. It's one of his trademarks as the wild card.

[@SyLuX636]

Sure, but only a few at a time. He doesn't have access to ALL Personas. Do you even count the DLC Personal Personas in other games?

[@MinatotheGreenLantern]

@@SyLuX636 Yes he does he can use the Velvet Room in mid combat another Wild Card User (Yu Narukami) has done this before lmao, chalking this up to game mechanics is kinda stupid, Joker is a VIDEO GAME CHARACTER he’s gonna get his items, power ups, persona, whatever, etc. Y’all don’t bring this same energy when Sonic Characters are given Chaos Emerald when that isn’t even standard equipment

[@SyLuX636]

@@MinatotheGreenLantern pretty sure they done other RPG characters but they don't give them items or there best weapon and skills. Like Cloud and Tifa, they both lost.

[@MinatotheGreenLantern]

@@SyLuX636 Eh no in the Link VS Cloud Rematch they gave Cloud literally everything (besides Dissidia which is non canon) and he beat Link lol, DB give RPG Characters from Pokémon, Fantasy, Fire Emblem all their shit Persona is no different 😂

[@domothebro2435]

Giorno’s reality warping simply couldn’t bypass almighty due to it being able to ignore stuff like that

[@csk7769]

the beginning of the fight wasn't Return to Zero lol, it was Life Shot. Gold Experience didn't go Requiem yet and he cannot do it beforehand, the background went blue, and you even see Joker's consciousness return to his own body to take the hit Gold Experience landed on Arséne. It's true that the Social Links proved they could top up Joker's willpower at any time without outside help, but that's just the simplest counter. Joker has multiple abilities that render him entirely immune to getting his willpower nullified in the first place, like Unshaken Will, which is even straight up mentioned in the episode. And as the black boxes state in the episode as well, there's no reason Joker couldn't just escape Requiem's effects by calling for the Velvet Room, which exists outside of any causality Giorno can affect. Hell if you wanna go beyond what is already in the episode, the black boxes also state that simply being touched by Requiem can induce its effects. In that case, any Persona with a Repel Phys attribute would also completely counter Giorno.

[@mionwhatshisface526]

so, about the thing you said at 25:02 , heres the thing. the move that joker used to kill giorno? sinful shell? it was an almighty attack, meaning that it was an attack that GER's return to zero cannot affect. like they said, almighty attacks are able to bypass reality warping abilities like the omnipotent orb, and so, since GER's whole schtick is to warp reality to undo an attack, almighty attacks can bypass that entire schtick. i dunno if this explained anything, but i hope this helps

[@MrAuthor3DS]

There's actually one other tiny detail that they missed. Having a Persona prevents complete depletion of willpower. We see this in many instances through the Persona 5 games, but it's most explicitly stated in Persona 5 Tactica - Toshiro Kasukabe was able to retain his will even when Salmael reached his cognitive world, and all he had at the time was the mere SPARK of a Persona.

[@zoidsj]

You can actually see Giorno try to activate Return to Zero as he's punching the bullet, but because it resists reality warping, it just blasts through them.

[@connorwindom2677]

Almighty Attacks basically have been shown that they can bypass the Omnipotent Orb which literally bends the laws of the universe to protect the user and make themselves immune to damage. But Almighty attacks have also shown that they could bypass beings like the Reason Bearers who could enforce laws on reality to protect themselves. Joker himself has outright nullified Almighty attacks with his insane willpower alone. Combined with the fact that Persona Users are stated to function on an entire different ruleset of casuality with Personas themselves coming from a world free of all casuality. GER was not going to be able to beat Joker.

[@SyLuX636]

So he was set up to lose? Doesn't seem like a fair fight. If Joker had access to everything from all the Persona games, even items and Personas.

[@encryptiondark]

@@SyLuX636yeah the fight actually ends faster then how it happens in death battle, it’s just a popular fight in the community because of how similar the chars are

[@saltygibus5746]

So, for a quick explanation on that scene at the start--no, that wasn't Requiem. That was just Conciousness Overload, the ability where Giorno overflowz a target's mind with life energy, effectively giving them an unintentionally out of body experience.

[@MrAuthor3DS]

Well...I guess Evokers are technically prop guns, though they're powered by Plumes of Dusk (which enable the Persona-summoning).

[@ux67623]

You can use more then 1 persona in a battle But you need turns yea

[@D.Deltaisnthere]

To put it brief the sinful shell couldn't be GER meaning he could land the shot to kill him

[@venomsnake6850]

Joker can switch persona once every turn

[@jefferyoneill1]

In Shin Megami Tensei 5 (also applies to Vengeance), there is a physical Almighty skill for the Nahobino called Murakumo, which does severe physical almighty damage to a single target, with increased power if the move crits

[@KlausJensen-e5g]

Why is it that in every reaction video, the people reacting never read the black boxes that pop up during explanations?

[@SpectralStar]

@@KlausJensen-e5g no idea they had black boxes 😂

[@Hyperneosonic97]

They're not redoing anything for the next time: Bowser and Eggman haven't fought each other on the show before. Eggman fought Dr. Wily from the Mega Man series, and Bowser fought Ganondorf from The Legend of Zelda.

[@SpectralStar]

@@Hyperneosonic97 I remember saying that but then I got corrected on stream so they got to me before you could, sorry bro

[@yerfriendlyneighborhoodsco3337]

as a fun note, this is the *Fourth* death battle with a jojo character.

[@redshepherd32]

And now the win record is 2-2 for jojo

[@tldoesntlikebread]

and 4 is bad luck, no wonder he lost.

[@yerfriendlyneighborhoodsco3337]

@@tldoesntlikebread exactly, he was cursed right from the start

[@venom3421]

Welcome back dood :)

[@juwanwilson7700]

Holy shit, this is a blast from the past. He's back and he didn't bring the fucking milk!

[@SpectralStar]

@@juwanwilson7700 only the almond(nut) milk 🥴

[@cjcj4861]

​@@SpectralStarthank you man the videos awesome hope you on team Jojo

[@SpectralStar]

@@cjcj4861 I love the Persona/Shin Megami Tense games, but I love JoJo just a smidge more. 😜

[@cjcj4861]

​@@SpectralStaryeah death battle is being biased ger stomps I'm glad you enjoyed it though

[@cjcj4861]

@@SpectralStar I respected that you love both appreciate it though I'm just saying death battle kind of pull their ass pull for Joker to win when it's realistically giorno's win cuz he knocked him out and he should have been dead after that attack

[@sunilG-vlogs]

Then soft and wet go beyond transcends ger bec calamity control gravity fate time parallel universe and go beyond existing outside of it

[@fohb7291]

The battle you're thinking of is Eggman vs dr wily from megaman

[@MightyTrex]

I watch the fight and Metal Sonic win. Also, let not forget Bowser fights Ganondorf and lost

[@SyLuX636]

Same shit, they have been recycling shit for the last 2 seasons.

[@csk7769]

Only Persona 5's weapons are props. Neither 4 nor 3 are about the power of perception.

[@necrov23]

THE GOAT

[@tldoesntlikebread]

Joker vs Giorno makes me really wanna try out Persona for the first time but I heard P5 is long asf so maybe at some point I'll pick it up.

[@Biggie_Ryan]

if you do, start with persona 3 reload, then play persona 4 golden, then persona 5 royal, and yes, theyre super long, it took em 41 hours to beat persona 3 reload alone

[@justdesired]

@@Biggie_Ryan 41 hours is short af for a persona game. my first playthrough of p5r was 170 hours. granted i now have 600+ hours on p5r but thats besides the point.

[@DjZeroGalactica]

Dio:MY SOOOON Damn it :((( Gooo BOWSER :3 Welcome back Star :0

[@wintryarms07]

Hi

[@Caerot22]

In my opinion i dont think jokers social links would be overcome that of GERS will power negation. If giorno were to win this fight it would probably be over as soon as ger is introduced as any action taken would never occur past that point.

[@Whispersmith646]

Why wouldn't it? It happened in the past against an enemy with basically the same power

[@shifterlocker2361]

You’re dumb it’s opponents done similar things if taking your will to nothing so yea no you’re full of it.

[@bubble_ross]

he doesn't even need it, RTZ wouldn't be able to revert his Will thanks to his skill Unshaken Will which prevents the gods in persona (reality warpers much MUCH stronger then GER) from manipulating his will

[@csk7769]

The Social Links did prove they could keep Joker's willpower at max at any time without outside help, but that's just the simplest counter, that's why it was said out loud. Joker has multiple abilities that render him entirely immune to getting his willpower nullified in the first place, like Unshaken Will, which is even straight up mentioned in the episode, or the fact that Wild Cards can be restored from near death and given willpower greater than all of humanity combined continously, which was also mentioned in the episode. And as the black boxes state in the episode as well, there's no reason Joker couldn't just escape Requiem's effects by calling for the Velvet Room, which exists outside of any causality Giorno can affect. Hell if you wanna go beyond what is already in the episode, the black boxes also state that simply being touched by Requiem can induce its effects. In that case, any Persona with a Repel Phys attribute would also completely counter Giorno.

[@Caerot22]

I stand corrected