I do not like them because I didn't see water being applied, and there was very low soap suds. But somehow when finished, my clothes came out damp. Whatever water there is, gravity forces it to go to the bottom. These machines are stupid. The traditional upright washers are better, because the machine fills with water. It seems like today changes are always for the worst. Just stay with the originals. Just because manufacturers and scientists can change things, doesn't mean they should. I am referring to Speed Queen Commercial Washers, used at my apartment complex.