Kingsong KS18L Unboxing & Range Test UK

[@PhilippeChiu]

Hi Ian, got mine few months back and about 1k km with it. Loving it! Regarding the range, I was also very deceived at the beginning as I was following the pressure indication on the tire. However figured out you could easily inflate it at 3.1 bars just like most of other 18 inches wheel. The range had then dramatically increased. I can get 60 km out of it (I'm 90 kg fully loaded).

[@Speedyfeetuk]

Glad you are getting on well with it!

[@tedcook8749]

Just re reading/watching this review. Really useful information here Ian, thanks again- great work as always and very candid reporting!

[@Speedyfeetuk]

Thanks Ted!

[@UStride]

WOW. Amazing production. LOVE IT. KEEP IT UP (Also never trust the manufacturers app. Relive is a good 3rd option for range tests). After watching your ninebot Z10 and Kingsong review I'm even more happy with my Gotway Tesla Purchase. I've done 29.6 miles riding at an average of 16mph, average cruising speed about 25mph top speed 29mph on my range test. I will post a complete Gotway Tesla 1020 complete review after 2 months soon.

[@flhandster4395]

Good video. Technical info. Helpful for sure. Has Kingsong corrected the tilt-back, tilt forward surrounding the low battery warnings? Also, has the Kingsong app been corrected as it relates to the mileage measurement discrepancy? With me being 200lbs and a beginner rider, do you think the 18L would be a good choice, or would something like the V10/V10F be better suited? I would like your opinion if you'd be inclined to share. Thank you for your time!

[@davidureno]

I've had my KS18L for 3 weeks now, great wheel but I noticed 2 flaws with it now. 1. The rear light sensor. When riding at night with another E Wheel behind you or a car is approaching you also from behind. Your front light will turn off. Fix: cover the sensor with tape 2. Playing music with colored lights flashing to the tunes. Colored lights fizzle out and don't work properly. Fix: don't group your lights to your music. Other than that, I love this wheel!

[@Glass_Nkoaa]

Its da best wheel I've ever had. A simple calibration fixed my lift sensor

[@OverPaul]

Hi Ian, Im a great fan of yours. I'm about to buy an electric wheel, but I really can't choose one. Actually I have a ninebot ES2 scooter, which is quite limited for my purposes: tiny wheels for over-damaged roads in Italy, no hands-free riding and a bit slow. Do you have suggestions for my first unicycle? Is it worth buying an 18" wheel? Many thanks!

[@goinpostal]

Ok Ian.. you have ridden basically every great wheel made.. which is your favorite? If you could only have ONE wheel, which would it be ?

[@Glass_Nkoaa]

KS18L is the best all rounder IMHO. I own one and so I'm talking from experience. I also used to have problems with the lift sensor until i calibrated it from the app. Now it works great.

[@nambinhvu]

Depends why you ride and what you need. I feel the longer range and higher speed makes for the best option. Other features are bonuses.

[@GodzillaGoesGaga]

Wheel odometers are never accurate (the radius can vary by 2-3% with temperature, assuming the same initial pressure. The pressure changes with temperature). GPS is likely to be way more accurate over distance.

[@UStride]

I will hopefully be checking out one today. I love the look of this wheel

[@themanofmead5273]

If the KS APpp is overstating distance travelled, then it is presumably logical to assume it is also overstating the speed you are travelling. This therefore also potentially means that it is tilting you back at slower speeds than you think. Or am I wrong on this?

[@Duf]

I weigh close to you and I did a 30 mile ride with 30% remaining. That was actual mileage not via the KS app. It seems to me that battery range can vary greatly. Remember, my first pack was defective, perhaps the one in that wheel is not up to snuff either.

[@Speedyfeetuk]

Its possible I guess. You have good temps right? Do you have stats from your ride? (Could you download map my ride and do a single ride out perhaps?....you know if you are bored or something lol - and send the stats over (elevation gains and losses etc). Average speed over the 25.34 miles was 14.8mph - elevation 2071ft and it took 1:43 to complete.

[@Duf]

I use an app called Strava I will do the same ride again with the app running and let you know the results, it gives similar stats - here are the stats from my last Monster ride - www.strava.com/activities/1831209870?

[@TimberTrainer]

I was also thinking that battery pack might be defective.

[@Zuflux]

This wheel's battery is too small. The speed restrictions on lower battery isn't exactly a bad idea, but it depends on how severely it limits your speed.

[@britishnomad]

Great honest review.. btw.. which town were you riding around in your first range test? just curious..? cheers..

[@Speedyfeetuk]

Thanks! Town was Gloucester.

[@gliderrider]

I was really leaning towards this one. Now I think I'll just wait and monitor the forum for awhile. Although I'm fairly desperate for a more powerful wheel. This InMotion V8 keeps trying to kill me going down hills, (maximum loading/severe tiltback). Also want some range this time around. Can't stand violent 'tilt backs'. It doesn't have to be that way now does it?

[@fpplsoftwashpressurewashin8757]

gliderrider My brand new acmv2 gives very mild tilt back when battery is low. Fyi. It's been a beautiful wheel with good power and long range.

[@ronnedal]

How much do you weigh? I have the V8 and weigh about 220lbs and have no problems going down steep hills. Although I’m also looking for an upgrade for several reasons.

[@Glass_Nkoaa]

I own A KS18L and I feel somehow that this video didn't do it justice i also feel Ian may also have a faulty wheel as there are guys much heaver than him who have had more than 32 miles range. The lift sensor can also easily be calibrated from the app after updatinf to the latest firmware. This wheel simply rides really well. Its impossible to regret buying this wheel

[@gliderrider]

I weighed 264 when I wrote this. They've changed the weight loading on the v8 since I bought the v8 from 264 to 240 to now 220. Having lost recently 20 pounds, the wheel is now riding much better in the hills. As of 10-26-18, I've pre-ordered the KS18XL Which is coming out. I do think the Gotway mSuperX has refined itself in the quality dept as well. Hard decisions indeed. But fun to contemplate upon!

[@uchenwadu4533]

Hey all! I recently just ordered a KingSong 18L and plan on joining the euc craze! I plan on using it in and around my hometown of Bedford and also Essex Colchester when I'm at uni. Just wondering what the laws are in the UK. Are there any limitations I should be aware of, or is it more of a common sense thing, similar to bicycles? Any help would be appreciated!

[@Speedyfeetuk]

Grey area for sure - depends how you interpret the law (which from my layman understanding) doesnt quite fit the type of ride this is. This means its neither legal or illegal. Riding fast is a massive no no around any area where there are other people.

[@claudioagmfilho]

Recife Brazil, great vid, was waiting for this one...

[@havasuheat99]

really liking your videos. I'm new to this wheel thing. it's been a week actually and I'm hooked. one concern though I'd like some feedback on is these mid operation shut downs. I just heard about these and am worried about this happening to me. is there a video on this subject somewhere? obviously I'd like to avoid that ever happening if possible.

[@Speedyfeetuk]

As long as you are following the Speedy Feet golden rule....dont ride faster than you can run then you can USUALLY roll out of it. Shut downs are less common now on the newer machines with massive motors and oversized components, but you can never rule them out completely on any brand.

[@Anakena3]

Hey, was waiting for your review ! Great as usual and transparent! thanks. Got it, rode close to 300 miles with it. Pretty happy nice build, reliable as far. Flaws if notice: app is crappy (button hidden by keyboard, mess up with the iPhone on my BT, stays permanently in the back ground - you have to close it, distance measurement is a joke, battery left is so tiny, impossible to read while riding), Tyre is fit in the wrong side (same for a friend - see the arrow on the side - what are they doing in this factory !), and with this tyre, (it differs from previous version), if I ride on foot, I can hear tyre scrapping the inner shell - very annoying, of course I'm not doing one foot all the time, but not acceptable at this price level, you'll notice that the wheel is not actually perfectly centered in the shell - again, what are they doing here), Trolley motor switch are definitely unstable. found out that if you treat them gently, they work better. (eg: don't jump of the wheel and grab the handle too quickly), but real pain is with on foot on the ground the other on the wheel when your in a shop for instance, it can activate randomly even if you're not touching the handle, ending up in the wheel almost falling down(no balance anymore) and yourself reaching out the 22kg to avoid the shell to scratch down the ground (happen 3/4 times in a month) or you let your wheel rest with the engine one, you move away, lift sensor activate alone and the wheel drop stupidly. (Inmotion with their physical switch got I right). Also good to know: issue with first batch for the lights (they melt -they are replacing it with an aluminium plate right now), they had also trolley lock issue burning the mother board, now fixed with latest firmware). I weigh 65kg: it's pretty darn hard to climb steep streets, you really have to put everything you got on your toes to start getting the speed, then it's ok,. breaking for big wheel is not great, anticipation is more key then before. Stuff I love: light turns on automatically backwards, auto switch: great, pedals height awesome : visibility, sharp turn, shell is solid, no noise, motor is a beast, top speed awesome,trolley handle is great at so practical. That's it for me. Will still recommend it as a great wheel with flaws for early version.

[@fazer12779]

Ian, what’s the best & fastest city wheel? Tesla? (Or MsuperX as best wheel?)

[@Gta-6.Smartivo]

msuper X

[@Duf]

I thought the Plese decelerate kickback was rather sudden and sharp as well, especially when you are going 24/25 mph.

[@Speedyfeetuk]

Yeah, a tweak is needed - I mean it doesnt need to scare the life out of you lol. Sure it will come with a firmware upgrade, they are pretty good with this stuff.

[@neurokinetik64ES]

Does the riding mode chosen change the behavior? I've only ridden in learning mode (1st EUC) and didn't find the tilt-back to be as abrupt as others have described.

[@jonaswiklund7681]

Great review! This is going to be my next wheel, upgrading from the S2😄 A little bit worried about the app coming from the robust app of Ninebot, but I guess the ride itself will be more in focus when I am riding😝

[@Speedyfeetuk]

They do have a new app coming out at some point, hopefully its good!

[@sebastianrex8856]

Hi, thinking of buying it. Have you done a distance test again?

[@genx156]

Was looking at this as an upgrade from my iNmotion V8 - I don't think I'll bother as my V8 gets almost the same range with a 480wh pack and is much lighter to carry when you encounter stair's, also my motor cut off button work's flawlessly :-)

[@genx156]

Just re-watched your V8 review - seem's I'm quite a bit lighter in weight and my temps here in Spain are around 28c, so re-crunching the numbers I'd easily get double the range with the KS18L - maybe an upgrade option :-) just hope they fix the motor shut off feature.

[@rocknrolluk]

I get the feeling you're not too impressed with this wheel. I've noticed on other KZbin videos that there may be battery issues. Do you think this might be the case?

[@rcpete7055]

What tyre pressure do you ride with in your msuper x please..??

[@themanofmead5273]

That range is telling me KingSong are building in an awful lot of unuseable battery percentage. I’m 95kg and easily get between 30 to 35 miles range on my Tesla. Your unexpected tilt backs are worrying. I’m ruling this one out as a potential change from my Tesla. The MSuperX is still the one I’m leaning towards. 🤔

[@Speedyfeetuk]

Maybe, although 25 miles is what I get from other WH similar machines. To be clear - there were no unexpected tilt backs - as in just random for now reason - they came at the times they should have done...just incredibly sharp compared to other wheels, so can take you by surprise.

[@LexEriksen]

should be a button on the handle you can press when you want to lift the machine

[@fpplsoftwashpressurewashin8757]

I am really liking Gotway nowadays.

[@LitenSkada]

Yup, sure glad I went with MSX instead. Gotway is not what it used to be, sure some of that old nonsense will still keep living a bit in some minds but love seeing even anti Gotway folk now loving it and the reaction after stepping off the MSX, it's simply a mighty machine through and through and so far seen none of the small flaws. Not to say they will not show up still a early model, I can say though it sure do satisfy in the speed department so for us speed freaks that choice just go more simple.

[@Glass_Nkoaa]

I own Kingsong and I can tell u this video doesn't do it justice. The list sensor can easily be calibrated just like i did to mine and niw works great. This is a beautiful wheel unlike the Kingsong and it rides really well as well. The pedals are just at the right angle unlike the Gotway. Internal components are also much more beautifully put together. The trolley handle is also more practical. The KS18L is simply the best all rounder for 2018

[@LitenSkada]

Ian, what jacket (model) is that? Searching for Demon I get some but get the woman snowboarding as text behind so thinking maybe not right model? I mean it really does not mater like that, unisex, whatever I don't care but sometimes the cut is not good for me and might be forced to order online if I want one so..?

[@Speedyfeetuk]

We will be stocking - just sorting it out, was going to do it last year but a lot on our plate, so should be this year!

[@lolsa123]

hmm that test you did with the kingsong app vs the actuall app made me wounder if i have overestimated how long i can go on my KS16s, some day i should try a range test too. would be strange if they say the range is 40-60km and it only goes 20

[@lolsa123]

but a very nice video, well done :D

[@uchenwadu4533]

Anybody else having an issue downloading the kingsong app? For Android I mean Seems to just not download on newer android phones. And if you do find a link that lets you download it (which I did about 5 minutes ago) the app crashes and doesn't even open :/ Expecting my 18L to come in soon, be nice to know if anyone else had this issue and even better, has a solution. My phone's the new OnePlus 6 btw 😊

[@fazer12779]

Ian, have you reviewed the Ninebot Z10 yet?

[@Speedyfeetuk]

Getting there :)

[@herbieherb8982]

What do you use to hang your EUC on the wall?

[@koreanature]

My best friend, Enjoyed watching this video my friend Really awesome views Thank you Stay connected

[@Speedyfeetuk]

Thanks! Join up at our community: www.ElectricPeople.org!

[@McAND]

Bad felling for me , too heavy low agility brake Is slow very difficulty to start on ascend

[@havasuheat99]

ok. let me rephrase. can anyone say which is the safest electric unicycle???? anybody.

[@gazbon5464]

So do all wheels give a false remaining Km range when at 20% and less when stopped ,my Ninebot1 E+ does for sure 8.5Km unusable

[@Speedyfeetuk]

Yeah....wait for Z10 video hint hint.

[@bocksar3226]

btw he says this at 23:36 in the vid.

[@FrenchFighter01]

I really wonder how you manage to only get 25 miles out of it...I'm getting 50 miles when riding smooth and I'm 70kg (155lbs) with around 3kg of equipment...When I'm riding it fast I still get around 35 -40 miles...Also my trolley only fails on 1 attempt out of 20...

[@Speedyfeetuk]

Yeah really odd, hence the 2 distance tests. Battery showing 100% in the app, was hoping a second cycle would product a better result. Although 50miles seems really high, where are you riding (flat roads? Off road?) and what temp? How are you measuring your distance btw?

[@FrenchFighter01]

was recently and I live in France, so we have rather warm temperatures until last week...So yeah 20-25°C...Riding mostly flat with 10-15 mph speeds...That's also what other people with KS18L are getting...I own an ACM 1300wh and I'm getting the same range with my KS18L...measuring my distance with google maps, not with app.

[@Speedyfeetuk]

Ah ok, yeah probably speed and terrain then. Average speed of the tests was around 19mph, rarely dropping down that low. (Of course we do tests to see what the MINIMUM you are going to get is based on our weight at the time). So its a fairly extreme test - one solid ride and at speed mixed with road and off road with a mixture of hills (this time around we put screen shots in to show the elevation gains and losses etc so all the info is there to openly see). Temp was also lower than yours, all those things will make a difference. Would love to see a screen shot of a 50mile route though with the stats - if you can then send it over to [e-mail] - cheers!

[@FrenchFighter01]

I mean same goes for MSX mate, you won't do 160 km with 1600wh...neither will you do 130km...Its a shame your review seemed to focus on the range (everyone knows Kingsong announces false ranges and has a range descrenpency issue in the app) rather than the real assets the wheel brings : that is amazing riding experience, very smooth and turns amazingly well. I've tested the MSX and it doesn't take curve nearly as good. Also I think you need to calibrate the trolley handle 1st, your fail rate is abnormal, I've gotten perhaps 5 fails out of 100 lifts...Anyways I'll try to send you a screenshot, though I hardly ever go this far...

[@FrenchFighter01]

did 30 km today with my kids (37,5 on the app, 30 on GPS) ended up using around 22 to 25% battery, nice temperatures, going smoothly 10mph.

[@krikri3387]

30:47 🤣

[@ronnedal]

I heard a rumor about a 1600Wh version of the 18L. If that will turn out to be true, will you be selling them?

[@Speedyfeetuk]

They are bringing out a 1554Wh machine, getting them in? possibly, its a limited run prior to Christmas.

[@ronnedal]

If it's not much heavier than the current model I'd sign up for a preorder right here and now.

[@arthurvanderwal]

Was that the drone you were selling earlier for any realistic offer lol

[@Speedyfeetuk]

No, that was sold the following day, this was the new Skydio R1 :)

[@juanantonio674]

Genial Saludos cordiales desde Patagonia Chile

[@drdoliddle2839]

why do they not make an exchangeable battery, how shall i fly with this

[@Glass_Nkoaa]

To fly with it just take out the battery and keep it in ur hand luggage. U can fix it back when u get to ur destination.

[@ДмитрийИванов-ч5е]

Отличное видео !

[@bocksar3226]

8.5 and 286 kg, what is he talking about? is that metric? im trying to convert it..it doesnt figure right? anyone know?

[@rooford1]

85kg to 86kg is what I think he was saying.

[@johnl5439]

Any info about the battery?

[@Speedyfeetuk]

What do you need to know and will try and find out.

[@johnl5439]

@@Speedyfeetuk I thought the distance was questionable from your comments and I know there have been couple of KZbin videos reporting a battery replacement.

[@Speedyfeetuk]

Nothing wrong with the batteries, charge to 100%. Its in line with what can be expected for 1036wh battery pack to be honest. Its just that its been massively overstated by KS in the original marketing.

[@jcwdenton]

Sometimes ks18L has battery flaw and sometimes battery package is disconnected in the device. Maybe thats why you get such a low range.

[@Speedyfeetuk]

A battery disconnect now thats an interesting point! Although 25miles for a ~1000wh machine is about what I usually see.

[@Kickersoccer69]

Seams a bit of a „nerved“ and totally biased review...at least thats my impression. The face you make on the voice warnings...are a good example! If you would have any knowledge and it would be fair....you would have at least mentioned that you can easily switch those voice warnings to beepings, like on the Gotways...so nobody needs to hear that voices...but thats missing in your review. also the trolley sensor...can be calibrated...no mention at all about it! Also i guess thats the first time you use „map my ride“...and also before you have neversaid how „fantastic“ the Gotway app is, which never disconnects...never jumps around ...messures the speed perfect, has no difference in mileage(thats just all ironic!) Also: Do you want to tell me that any other wheel when it has 15-20%...does not have the same massive voltage drop? Seams you tried to find any nitpicky you can get! Sorry, leaves a very bad taste this „review“....at least in my opinion!!

[@FrenchFighter01]

i have to agree...seemed like an a bit unfair review...

[@Speedyfeetuk]

Remember....not finished with this wheel, 250km, 650km and 1000km reviews to come. Give it time dude before you lash out. The FIRST review always comes like it is out the box. I have said many times the Gotway APP is awful, its plain terrible like the Kingsong APP - its like they used the same designer lol. The 'face' made whilst the sounds, dont misinterpret that - it was simply a face I do when the satnav interrupts me whilst trying to talk. MAP my ride - not true - I said in the video, so to be clear - ALWAYS use map my ride, have done for the last 5 years. It was the FIRST time I had used the APP from the manufacturer to measure the milage...big mistake and we made up for this by doing a SECOND distance test, and when that was different we then tested to see why this is. This is a NEW revelation that the manufactures APP maybe giving a false readout as we have never used them before to measure distance - always map my ride (look back through the videos...we are always using map my ride for range). So from now on knowing there could be an issue we will ALWAYS test the wheels APP against the reliable 'map my ride' to see if it works correctly - now we know there is potentially an issue. What I can say, we have had a LOT of issues with this wheel from ones we have sold (in fact in 5 years - its the first time ever we have had a wheel returned as the customer was so unhappy with it!), this has been left out of the video to protect kingsong as they work out all the niggles as we are open to the fact when a new wheel comes out there can be niggles that needed sorting - its can happen with lots of wheels when they first come out - AND to add - we have had none of the issues with our wheel thats on test (apart from the bits you see in the video). So in the background there is some context to the review that we were not keen on spreading far and wide as its such a new wheel But - there are many customers happy with the wheel as their units are unaffected they are all here: www.speedyfeet.co.uk/collections/featured-collection/products/kingsong-ks18l-electric-unicycle (click on the reviews - currently 6 5 star reviews). But as I say, don't lash out just yet - 250km (We have almost done 250km on it now), 650km and 1000km reviews to come. PS - our aim has always to be honest and fair to what we ride, based on experience and of course our OWN impressions and opinions. If somethings missing from a review...thats just an oversight and sometimes because there isn't the time to cover every single little thing - thats why now on a single wheel we do so many videos (Opening and range, 250km, 650km and 1000km) - then hopefully we hit all the notes ;) Thanks for watching!

[@kael13]

Hey, I wrote a review of this wheel on your site but it never appeared! (it was positive). Gonna do a range test, but I feel fairly sure I get more than 25 miles from a full charge. I'm loving mine! Will use the same, Map My Ride, app.

[@LitenSkada]

Come on friend, give Ian some time to finish this wheel first and allow the man to keep his fun, comical take on reviews it what make my day it's not meant as critique or hidden anti KS messages in any way, shape or form. Gotway have take leaps and bound forwards even this very year, after all crap they have been given and it's not fair to lift forward their success?

[@Speedyfeetuk]

Kael, do you know what the review was titled? And when you wrote it - the reviews all auto publish, so would be great if it was on there, the more positive reviews the better :)