Speroni Factory Tour: Cutting Edge Meets High Precision!

[@adamthemachinist]

Sip jig borers are a big staple in the can die industry and an absolute delight to run. I ran two for a year before being moved into the jig grinding department. They could bore holes with the extreme positioning accuracy thanks to they’re unique optical glass scales. There’s an etched plated of glass that you use a magnified scope two view the etching on. It’s backlite and you align you cross hairs with the etching to set position. This was a big departure from Moore tools idea of making a perfect leadscrew. Most sips now have DRO’s retrofitted on them that provide equal levels of accuracy and are frankly quicker to read. The other remarkable thing was just how orthogonal the machine frame was, tenth squareness tram from the quill to table, and the ways equally flat. Some of the most exciting work I got to do with a sip was fly cutting. If you need a plate extremely flat and it wasn’t an alloy that ground well, fly cutting it on the sip gave fantastic results.

[@JayDee28]

Not only do they build great machines, the owner is very Italian: excellently dressed and very charming. Loved it.

[@mikeberry2569]

I've been watching your channel from the move from your garage shop in nyc to the new shop , Did you ever imagine your content would in these directions, you've truly sky rocketed. Thank you

[@tuscanland]

Finalmente una visita in Italia, spero ti sia piaciuta. Ciao!

[@xmtxx]

Wow, 1/10 micrometer (100nm) is the size of an average virus. It's incredible. Thanks for the tour, all the series is amazing (and I'm not even a machinist).

[@nigelft]

My background is mostly medical microbiology, clinical biochemistry, and molecular cell biology ... So yeah, when mentioning 1/10th um, my brain went ... Granted, when I was using a uv/vis spectrophotometer, I was measuring stuff at the nanometer scale, but that was absorption ... I can't begin to imagine machining anything down to that scale, that isn't borderline photolithography ...

[@mattm7535]

This is awesome! Thanks John and Speroni!

[@arnljotseem8794]

Very interesting. I didn't know about Speroni, proud European as I am. So thanks for educating me. You seem to be a big fan of the top quality European manufacturers yourself, and thanks for spreading the word state side (and world wide).

[@GiacoWhatever]

Hey if you’re still in Italy let me know! :)

[@scottdaniels52]

Thanks for the tour John! We had a Hydroptic 6A that we purchased in the late 60’s for over $125k. This machine had a memory system on two cylinders that had magnetic tracks on them. You could only store 20 positions in X and 20 positions in Y. The fit and finish of the machine covers was amazing and everything under the covers was beautifully finished in orange paint. The SIP tool cabinets were another joy to see. Unfortunately when it came time to sell the machine we couldn’t find any buyers here in the states. It went to a shop in India for essentially the same cost as a used Bridgeport, $7,500.

[@Anonymouspock]

That's some high tech dust on the lens: somehow it follows the casting on screen. Impressive.

[@drewrogge4798]

We had a couple of SIPs in the lab I worked in back in 1972. Besides the accuracy of the machine one of the most fantastic things was that EVERYTHING has a ground chamfer on it. The screw heads, the slots in the screw heads even the corners of the tools for the boring heads. SIP boring heads were also pretty amazing.

[@jdheath3438]

Yes John, I have a GSip Hydroptic 6A at work and we used it general work before we got our VF6. It's sad because it sets next to our sandblaster. Very precise for a limited time.

[@keith73z28]

That is pretty stupid. They should listen more to you. That is like drilling a hole in a bucket of money.

[@ActiveAtom]

Nice visit wow Italy. Thank you, Lance & Patrick.

[@BestFleetAdmiral]

Ahh so cool to see a SIP machine! I have one in my home shop, but I've never seen one in an actual manufacturing environment before :) super cool! Mine is one of the smallest ones they made, so about a 18"x36" table.

[@Volcker1929]

That was really interesting! Thank you.

[@ROBRENZ]

Thanks John, very interesting. ATB, Robin

[@steinarne79]

Yes yes yes yes yes yes yes!!! Getting a beer! Need to get it all!

[@vibram500]

SIP was in Geneva, Switzerland They closed not a long time ago something like 2012 The building is now re used for other company not related to machining but they had to keep some stuff of the factory which is pretty cool (I had the chance to visit). They made a book about this historical company. Maybe one of the most high end precision machine in Switzerland La Sip 1862-2012. 150 ans de mécanique de précision We can tell a lot of stories about it. One fun fact was: machines where known to have all the head of the screw aligned such as the watch Royal oak from Audemars Piguet (8 front screws). absolutly not useful but a proof of the level of detail I can take few pictures of the book if you need/want but can't scan everything for obvious reasons

[@agie170hss2]

John, yes.... SIP, Dixie, Moore... those are some of the names of premiere equipment from years past. I would argue that *mechanically*, they were/are better manufactured than most anything built today. Now, manufacturers can simply "comp" every axis on a machine to make it incredibly accurate. "Back then", machines had to be just plain accurately made -- there was no such thing as compensation in a control system. If you've never read it, get a copy of "Foundations of Mechanical Accuracy" by Wayne Moore. That book clearly goes through what was (and is) required to build very precise mechanical devices/machines. Thanks for your continuing hard work to bring informative content to so many people!

[@paulaitchison4912]

The sip jig bore I ran had the dials connected to a rail which acted as an adjustable cam to compensate for any measured deviation present on the leadscrew.

[@MrGPdriver67]

We had a SIP for building tooling in a manufacturing shop I use to work in. I got to use it on a regular basis to make tooling.

[@tomiester227]

I did a lot of work on Cip machine back in the 70's when I was an apprentice at Bulova Watch Co. in Queens NY.

[@SpencerWebb]

Valley Stream??

[@jamesallen3799]

Fantastic. Now Visit DMG in Tortona, Italy. Need a little work on the sacrad manual machines. SIPs are the world Standard. Excellent presentation. Well done. thank you. jim

[@dudanken]

Benvenuto in Italia (Welcome to Italy)

[@zeuss194]

Engineering porn in a Christian country, all the interestings parts are blurry T_T

[@VeraTR909]

You'd think it was japanese :P

[@casey2219]

Matthew Melson not useless. It’s. $10000 barrier. Or more.

[@genixia]

There's probably a clause in their sales contracts to prevent reverse engineering. Patents are expensive and slow to obtain, so most inventions hit the market either un-patented or with a patent application pending. Trade-in programs are used to help reduce that risk that someone reverse-engineers something bought on the used market.

[@pteppig]

@@MatthewMelson they could just refuse to deliver a machine to patent stealing country like china

[@thunderstruck1078]

So nice to see a Western company manufacturing everything in-house. You recently toured a German company which had the same policy - everything in-house.

[@dennyskerb4992]

Un-blurr app not working

[@DavidRonnemo]

I have seen those SIP machines beeing retrofitted with Siemens 840D controllers here in Sweden. Incredibly accurate machines they say.

[@bcbloc02]

Sip made a size 8 machine that had a vertical and horizontal spindle. I so want one! :-)

[@twitchbook-1]

That's pretty awesome,all of it, special the carbon fiber parts

[@lateatday9826]

why is all that stuff blurred

[@alistair7483]

It isnt blurred for the film, its blurred in real life bro lol

[@JlerchTampa]

Intellectual property rights I would assume, either that or technology export restrictions. I'm thankful that video was allowed at all and that the time and effort was put into sharing it with us, simply awesome time to be alive!

[@lateatday9826]

James Lerch True it’s a amazing time we live in

[@lougrims]

They might also have the names of clients on the parts.

[@Pleasestopthat]

It’s just trade secrets. They don’t want their competition stealing their unpatented designs.

[@stanleyg64]

They had Dixi borers at the machine tool company I worked at in the 80s very accurate also on a par with those SIP

[@MrDB42]

So why were so many parts blurred out? They were obviously showing off all the components during the tour, but why can't we see them in all their glory?

[@xenonram]

Use your imagination. I'm sure you can figure out why they're blurred.

[@PilchPlays]

Did they review the footage and blur the proprietary geometries or did you have to go through and blur the right parts?

[@flynifty3951]

Machines from Haimer or Zoller are produced by Speroni !

[@skwyrz1]

Versamil has many of those sip's even that first shown.

[@aacgudini621]

Are you sure this factory is not in Japan?

[@Marco-dr5ho]

Why?

[@ciano5475]

Because they blur porn. :-D

[@OriginalJetForMe]

What is the product he talks about at the 3 minute mark?

[@piranha32]

Nothing brings attention to details like blurring them. These are commercial devices, anybody can buy them and examine in details. What's the point of blurring?

[@comprehendnature2404]

Probably they are seeking to patent it and did not want their competition to be ahead.

[@richasay9077]

+nyccnc Why are the surfaces blurred out around the 3:00-3:30 time??

[@giuliobuccini208]

Don'be so nosey.... or... are you chinese? : ) : ) : )

[@richasay9077]

@@giuliobuccini208 Valentina wanted me to ask...

[@OriginalJetForMe]

Dude. I'm gonna have to stop watching your videos. The envy is almost unbearable.

[@bhoiiii]

Someone didn’t think through having a video camera in the room. Wait. That’s the owner.

[@_Matyro_]

Why were some of those partes blured?

[@DavidtheSwarfer]

Because they haven’t realized that if anyone seriously intends to copy one they will just buy a machine and take it apart to see what is inside.

[@georgel5308]

Naked models on them

[@snowgoer540]

"Cutting edge technology"... I see what you did there!

[@ello-mz6om]

why do you blurr out some spots?

[@giuliobuccini208]

You can imagine it by yourself...

[@ello-mz6om]

@@giuliobuccini208 nop. why do they show it to everyone who comes to the factory, but not to the internet

[@giuliobuccini208]

@@ello-mz6om maybe they does not accept chinese guys in their factory tours... : ) : ) : ) What if you have several stuff, maybe waiting for a patent, and people start filming with their videocam?

[@gbowne1]

I would really suggest machine shops especially any doing production or anything for industry, become a member of seveal associations. PMPA, NTMA, SAE, ASTM, PMFA, etc.

[@ultragamingag]

2:18 7 Micron is not realy good . We use a system from zoller and get 2microns

[@JlerchTampa]

2 micron, meh, I've measured surfaces as large as 0.5 M^2 to within 10nm RMS at home with home built parts and I did it over a decade ago. (ok it was a home built Fizeau laser interferometer measuring optical telescope mirrors I also ground) The point being its all about context.

[@ultragamingag]

@@JlerchTampa But at a normal maschine you have a few more micron toleranc . In my industry we have realy big parts and even with h6 tolerance er have much space with our system

[@unrealillusion87]

He said 7 micron at 48 inches (1.2m) Do you get 2 micron at 1.2m ? :)