Spider Farmer SF2000 Review - No Fans And Amazing Performance!

Spider Farmer reached out to us about sponsoring a video covering their SF2000 LED grow light. They didn’t know it, but we are planning on doing another indoor grow this winter and were looking at picking up new lights anyways. After checking out reviews online it sounded like a very solid product and we told them we would love to check it out.
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[@TheHippieGeeks]

www.patreon.com/thehippiegeeks As the channel has grown and changed, I have tried to respond to every single comment in a timely manner. Unfortunately, that is getting harder and harder to do as the channel has gotten more popular, especially with chains of comments and responding back and forth. The comment system on KZbin is just not set up well to handle that many comments with the time in the day that I can give to it. Introducing our Patreon page. We have had it up for a long time now, but have not really utilized it and if you had looked at it before, you would not have much of a reason to join. Well, I went thru and revamped the entire thing. I want to be able to use that platform to connect more with those that are interested in doing so, at whatever level they decide to. If you have ever wanted to chat with me directly, Patreon is going to be the best way to do so going forward. I will still be responding to all of the comments I can, but as I said in the beginning that is getting harder and harder to do. There is not a team of people running this channel, it is just me and I do the best I can =) Anyways, thanks for reading this, and I hope to see some of you over on Patreon =)

[@johnnypoe3965]

Hippie Geeks Merry Xmas all On the first day of xmas My true love gave to me One Guerrilla grow tent So I could grow my weed. On the second day of xmas My true love gave to me Two Spider Farmer 4000s So I could grow my weed On the third day of xmas My true love gave to me Three oscillating fans So I could grow my weed On the forth day of xmas My true love gave to me Four bags of FoxFarm Ocean Forest soil So I could grow my weed On the fifth day of xmas My true love gave to me Five bottles of General Hydroponics plant nutrition So I could grow my weed On the sixth day of xmas My true love gave to me Six 5 gallon smart pots So I can grow my weed On the seventh day of xmas My true love gave to me 7 different strains of good genetic weed On the eighth day of xmas My true love gave to me Apollo 4 Titan controllers So I can grow my weed On the ninth day of xmas My true love gave to me A jewelers loop so I could check the milky trichomes of my sticky weed On the tenth day of xmas My true love gave to me A Tao Tronics cool mist humidifier So I could properly dry my weed On the eleventh day of xmas My true love gave to me A case of Ball big lipped mason jars So I can burn an cure my weed On the twelfth day of xmas My true love gave to me A Diamond glass water bong So I can blow my weed. ................johnny Poe Any stickers or promotional stuff I'm your guy.

[@cliffroberts1774]

Great video but what do I turn it to for seeds? And then flower. Is it full blast or half way??

[@MrAllister9]

Just purchased this SF 2000 and im pumped ... i actually have the same old lights he has so pretty excited to start paring the girls under 1 of these lights ... pumped

[@TheHippieGeeks]

That is awesome to hear! We still need to do another follow up video, but the growth under this light has been amazing, especially compared to the old blurpie lights.

[@ucg.2061]

Nice, it will be interesting indeed. Thank you.

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Video went live on Saturday morning!

[@scottcurtiss9385]

The best part was the increased lighting efficiency which let me grow bigger buds while simultaneously lowering my electric bill. Ya gotta love THAT.

[@TheHippieGeeks]

For sure, we came from the low efficiency blurpie lights, and the difference has been night and day.

[@scottcurtiss9385]

@@TheHippieGeeks Yep, same story here. While my blurples weren't the amazon cheapos, they still didn't even come close to the quality of light or efficiency of those spider farmers

[@bobjames8232]

Very informative.... thank you...

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Glad to hear it was informative, thanks for watching!

[@mateomckenna]

This is the exact answers to my questions. This really seems to be the most affordable choice for my 2x4.

[@TheHippieGeeks]

It is a great option in a 2'x4' tent, especially as a beginning grow. What I recommend though is once you can afford it, to add in an additional SF-1000 as well, it will really increase the coverage side to side. I am actually going to have a video soon covering just that situation, as compared to a single SF-2000.

[@IIIDontLie2MeIII]

@@TheHippieGeeks hello...did you ever by chance do this? I was thinking I needed 2 of these for a 4x8 but Id love it if a 1000 would work instead with the other 2000...

[@johnnypoe3965]

I've been wanting the 2000 for a sec. Now.

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Thanks for watching!

[@Jonnyjackhammer]

Great vid!! Man U might want to invest in a quantum sensor. I bought one from rapid and wired to a multi meter and saved about $200. U can get real actual par readings. I know they’re a bit expensive it so worth it! Just subbed up, really like your vids, happy growing fellow grower.

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Yeah, I found one recently for $118, which is still hard to want to pay when I won't use it very often. If we end up getting another light to test we will pick one up though so that the numbers mean more =)

[@scottcurtiss9385]

I like the newer versions of the SF lights. Built in dimmer, slave-able, and a power switch too.

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Yeah, the new additions they made this year are all really great. The inaccessible dimmer was the biggest complaint that everyone I talked to had with them.

[@busyb4283]

I love mine.. using then new gen in a 2x4 and it works great. No heat management and stupid bright!

[@chaschas3199]

Everything I'm reading about this light is positive...Thanks for your thoughts.

[@TheHippieGeeks]

I wasn't sure what to expect to be honest, but it really does seem to be a great light. The real test will be once we get it going in the tent but like I said in the video I am super excited to see how it works out. Everything is solid and built out of quality components, which is really great to see after some of the cheaper lights we have bought in the past =)

[@drewbiedoobie5597]

Love my spiderfarmer 2000 👨🏻‍🎨🤌🏽

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Awesome! We have used the crap out of ours and they have been great =)

[@Magiktcup]

I got the 4000 version and can honestly say its the best light iv'e owned to date.

[@TheHippieGeeks]

It is crazy how much light they put out for sure. We have them in our big tent now, and I can't wait to see how well our next winter indoor grow goes!

[@smokeyBJJ]

I'll also be using an SF4000 in my 4x4 flower tent. I get it on Monday :)

[@K.B.E.B]

man, I wish it was already September because I've been looking into trying this light out and wanted to see how it works for yall.

[@TheHippieGeeks]

We actually just harvested an indoor grow using this light in their 2'x4' grow tent, you can see all of the videos here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fIvPm4t6dqqtbrs

[@K.B.E.B]

thank you bro. imma check em out now.

[@sweetness6048]

@@K.B.E.B bro you can get the unbranded version for a fraction of the cost from Alibaba spider farmer is a copy it's self of hlg you can get melju or kingbrite they even have added uvb and far red same Samsung lm301b or lm301h and same mean well driver

[@ivorgreenplant]

i have one of these lights in a 36 inch x 20 inch x 5 ft tent the tent is around 4 inchs bigger than the outside perimeter of the light ,, I get very little drop off in light got 3 plants underneath the SF2000 and they are all looking great ..

[@TheHippieGeeks]

I am really excited to get our indoor grow going this winter to see how this light does, it really is leaps and bounds better than the other ones we have.

[@MrDillon45]

Thanks for that. Me and tons of other people want information just like this! Lol.

[@robertsmith2589]

Nice review. I’ve been thinking of netting 6 plants and was wondering recommendations on how much lighting I should use. I figure 6 plants netted may use up to 3x3 for each plant. Based on the comments it sounds like I would need 6 of the 2000s. Is that right? Seems like overkill

[@TheHippieGeeks]

How large is your grow area, and how long are you planning to be in the veg stage? With our indoor grow two winters ago we did that exact thing, but to let that single plant get big enough to fill up a 3'x3' canopy we had a very long veg time. This winter we did four plants per square, and the canopy was pretty full after 8 weeks of veg. Coverage wise, Spider Farmer lists the SF-2000 being able to cover a 2'x4' area in flower, while the SF-4000 can cover a 5'x5' in flower. Next year we re going to be doing a SF-4000 over each 3'x3' square which is a bit overkill but gives us a lot of flexibility in hanging heights and overlapping coverage.

[@RaffaelloLorenzusSayde]

Have you tried using the Apogee light meter for measuring its PAR value intake?

[@TheHippieGeeks]

We have not looked at one of these lights in a while, so have not used the Apogee PAR meter to check the light levels. I am hoping to check out one of their newer versions soon though so that we can.

[@ryanpongracz8051]

I just found this exact light on Alibaba for half the price anywhere else, same with the fluence bioengineering light. Half off one of those there too

[@TheHippieGeeks]

As I have mentioned before, that ignores the cost of the three year warranty that these have, and the response times I have gotten when needing to talk to someone. Anything purchased from Alibaba is sketchy at the best of times, and useless when things go wrong. I am all for a person making the right choice for their budget, and the cheap Alibaba lights can be a life saver, but there are benefits to these branded lights as well =)

[@Magiktcup]

The lights on Alibaba will not be the same as the spider farmer ones. They may look the same but will likely use cheaper leds and parts. Its half price for a reason. I got stung from a Chinese seller on amazon who sent me a fake one when i ordered a spiderfarmer . The build quality was questionable and the driver had only 2 of its 4 screws in place and one of those screws somehow broke in the first few hours i used it. I got my money back thankfully. Don't cut corners and buy a no mark brand. Your not just throwing money away, a dodgy, poorly built light in a hot humid grow room is a recipe for a fire.

[@sweetness6048]

@@TheHippieGeeks that's funny bud cause when I purchased my light from Alibaba it came standard with a three year warranty I paid a extra $65 and got two years extra I own both the original and the unbranded version no difference at all

[@sweetness6048]

@@Magiktcup they absolutely do but so does Amazon and eBay you have know what you are getting before you purchase when the say they have Samsung lm301b or lm301 h and osram far reds It has to perform like that you can't lie to a par meter there is no way around it the product speaks for its self you obviously bought a dud and got sucked in that's why I paid the extra $65 for the five year warranty in case something was to happen in the future but if you need proof on these lights hmu ill drop a link just to prove my point

[@Foreverfront]

put a quiet fan set up above or below pointed at fan and COOL aluminum plate! you will be able to hand touch the bought if it was on vs no fan your gonna sear yourself

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Yeah, having some decent airflow around these either with a circulating fan or with the air being extracted from the tent is a good idea.

[@kevinstradley1777]

I have 2 spider grow lights there awesome .can I use the intensity setting to raise potency towards end of grow?

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Yes, plants typically want more light as flower progresses, and should be under full intensity by the end. Just be ready to back off again if the plant doesn't respond well, every plant is different and will tolerate different amounts of light.

[@skyroboss]

Got any experience with the mars hydro tsl2000? i ordered mine before i found out about these ones. it does pull 300w from the wall versus the 200 these do. just wondering how you think thatll compare to one of these ones. i got it setup in my 4x3 closet and it is defenetly bright and the spectrum looks decent. the footprints perfect for my grow IMO. i dont got any soil to start another grow yet tho.

[@TheHippieGeeks]

I haven't used that one, but looking at the specs it appears that the Mars Hydro has 80ish more LED's, so I am not surprised that it will pull more power. It may give more light, and the rectangular shape should fit the size of your growing space better than a square one would. I would be curious how it does for you when you get the grow going =)

[@skyroboss]

@@TheHippieGeeks ill keep ya posted on how it does, it fits my room perfect unlike any of my other lights ive used. i started by using my mh/hps 600w but that got real hot. then i tried using my veg tents t5 light and that was just a few inches to long for my room due to the cord sticking out the end. but this seems to keep my temps nice and cool compared to any of those.

[@charleseagles6603]

amazing lights i got my 5x5 running 4000+2000

[@TheHippieGeeks]

That is great! We have loved using them.

[@charleseagles6603]

i had the 4000 alone but results were great i want to see more results thats all so i got the 2000 to finish the flowering up

[@TheHippieGeeks]

There is nothing wrong with having more light available as an option when you need it =)

[@charleseagles6603]

@@TheHippieGeeks Agree

[@sevenkali]

💯

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Thanks!

[@drizzdrazz]

just got a sf 4000 and my girls are loving it, replaced a 1000 watt hood with a phnatom II ballast because when i went to replace the mh bulb with a hps it was saying low input voltage and cyclying after fully warming up and being on for ten minutes, then would cycle thru. so i said fuck it im going led, it was a good chunk of change but man im glad i did. the same light with the same drivers and the same diodes ( 120 less diodes actually) from HLG costs 850$ just because of the brand name!! so glad i did my research, got the power of the 850$ hlg light for half the cost!

[@TheHippieGeeks]

That is great to hear! We are really excited to see how this does in our indoor grow this year.

[@DavidfromMichigan]

Is the sf4000 still a good choice for lighting you think? Im starting an indoor grow and have been researching lights. Torn between Mars, spider and ac infinity.

[@drizzdrazz]

@@DavidfromMichigan honestly if i was to do it all over, id get the same exact light haha i would just look up reviews of all the lights your interested in, maybe see the difference in specs but other than that, hell yea the sf4000 is a good buy for sure

[@DavidfromMichigan]

@@drizzdrazz thanks big guy. Appreciate your opinion and the quick response.

[@joet6082]

Hay bro. What would be your choice of light, Spider LED or Cree LED.

[@TheHippieGeeks]

I personally prefer the quantum board style lights (like the Spider Farmer) over the CREE's. The efficiency is great and so is the light spread. We will be switching our entire tent over to Spider Farmer soon.

[@loranstaley1119]

I origionally ordered a giixer1000w but it got lost in the mail so I got my money back and I purchased the sf2000. I'm really excited to get my veggies under it and see how it competes with my greenhouse. Then yesterday that giixer arrives lol. I'm still going to send it back. Have y'all checked out the giixer? Any good or just another version of the mainstream? And yes. I'm really growing vegetables with this light😜

[@TheHippieGeeks]

I have not personally used a Giixer 1000w, but I think you will be considerably happier with the SF2000. The Giixer is very similar to the other lights of its kind, though I think it is a stretch to call it a 1000w replacement when it pulls 110w from the wall =) Let me know how you feel about the SF2000 though, we have really been enjoying ours, and will have an update video about it in a couple of weeks.

[@dmo848]

The giixer is good. Not an issue but this light has got to be better

[@FixinDixon]

I have a sf2000, but a sf5000 would be Really cool

[@TheHippieGeeks]

The SF500 is a great light for sure =)

[@kevinstradley1777]

I have a spider 2000 I have cannabis sprouts 6 days old how high should I set it 1 to 10.????

[@EvilDeadGuy666]

Hi would the SF2000 Be enough for my size grow tent L48xW24xH60

[@TheHippieGeeks]

I would worry about light falloff at the edges of the tent, I think that 2x SF1000 would probably work better, you can spread them out to get better coverage. Their specs say that a SF1000 will cover a 2'x2' area in flower, so should be good.

[@bobjames8232]

Which farmer should I buy for a 3x3 tent with 4 pot plants in it ?

[@TheHippieGeeks]

A SF2000 would probably cover a 3'x3' all right, they list is as covering 3'x4' in veg or 2'x4' in flower. You could give it go (the coverage is surprisingly great) and then if you felt like you want/need more coverage get a second one. There is really no cost savings to get an SF4000 vs a SF2000, and you would get more flexibility out of 2 separate lights. Then again, that logic also applies to the SF1000, the price of two of them is the same as a single SF2000, so you could start with one and then expand as necessary =)

[@bobjames8232]

@@TheHippieGeeks thanks man. Very helpful.

[@TheHippieGeeks]

You are welcome!

[@bobjordan2535]

Does it have a veg and flower switch or is it just one color for both cycles?

[@TheHippieGeeks]

It is the same for both cycles.

[@MrAllister9]

@@TheHippieGeeks so basically it goes into bloom after a week or so of 12/12?

[@bottytoohotty]

the 2000 is significantly brighter than the 1000 , is this to be expected?

[@TheHippieGeeks]

It is, as there are pretty much 2x SF-1000 put together. The area right in the middle of the two panels will get light from both panels at the same time, boosting the amount of light.

[@MrClean-tn3gz]

Does it have a knob for turning down the watts

[@TheHippieGeeks]

This is the 2019 version, which had a hidden screw to dim it. Anything that you order now will have an external dimmer switch, look for a review of the updated version soon!

[@Gypsyukgrow]

😎

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Thanks for watching!

[@annadiaz5318]

It does produce heat... But I do agree with being ok one great light

[@ryangibson1900]

Looking to buy new lights. Are these Better then the mars hydro ts1000 ?

[@TheHippieGeeks]

I have not tried out the Mars Hydro TS1000, but looking at the specs the SF2000 has more LED's with a higher power consumption, and as such should be putting out more useful light. The rectangular form factor of the SF2000 also lends itself well to a more typical grow tent size, which tend to be rectangular.

[@bettergrow2302]

I think it is better to compare with the TSL-2000. They have the same shape.

[@johncooper3392]

try voost its tip top with heat sinks & samsung H led,s

[@jalenmoore7828]

Advanced Platinum Series P300 300w 12-band LED Grow Light - DUAL VEG/FLOWER FULL SPECTRUM. They advertise that any of their lights as the most complete spectrum adjusted lighting can you please review any of their lights I’m really looking forward to buy one but they are kind of expensive. Thank you

[@TheHippieGeeks]

I cannot afford to just order lights to test, but in any case I would not order this one. After seeing the SF-2000 in action, I would not order any LED light that is not a quantum board style.

[@jalenmoore7828]

Ok thanks I will look into that light system I really appreciate you following up and look forward to seeing more great content .

[@jalenmoore7828]

So I was doing some research today and I think I might actually purchase a SF 4000 that thing looks like it’s amazing and I’ve seen some grow results and some grow Journals and they looked really good only thing I didn’t see is if it produced UV light I know it has the infrared light which is really important as well as your blues green and reds Unless specific order but the combination is what helps the photosynthesis process

[@TheHippieGeeks]

I don't think they produce much in the way of UV light, they have a graph showing the wavelengths of light and it doesn't make it very far into the UV spectrum. I can say however that the growth under the light has been better than any of our other lights this cycle, and I won't go back to the older LED styles.

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Interested in seeing how well this light has been working out for us? Check out our 5 Week Veg Update video here: kzbin.info/www/bejne/jGiWn5yVj7Cpm7s

[@charlesbowers8112]

I'm running a 2x4 tent this year, will this light have everything i need for my grow?

[@TheHippieGeeks]

We have had good results with this light in a 2x4 grow before =)

[@michael2305]

for a 2x4 depending on what you're growing this is fine. for lighthungry plants I would recommend adding a sf-1000.

[@Chris-cq5dy]

Hi my name's Chris just started watching you guys I have one spider farmer sp1000 works great love the light but my girl just surprised me with a 4 x 4 tent and I don't have money to buy a bigger spider farmer so I was wondering how you got them as a sponsor maybe they could sponsor me if you could let me know I'd appreciate it thank you very much

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Try reaching out to them directly, I believe they have contact info on their website :)

[@mnfinest7778]

You compared a 2x4ft light to a 2x2 light not a good comparison spider farmers lights are great but you should have compared the sf1000 to your old leds

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Believe it or not, when we bought those lights there were marketed as being able to cover a 3'x3' space =) I only have the SF2000, so that is what I compared it to. Most of the cheap 300 watt lights have either changed to say 2'x2' or nothing at all now, but you can still find some of them claiming to to have that kind of coverage =)

[@K1k1k148]

Good lights I've got the sf1000 and sf2000 in a 4x4ft thinking of changing the sf1000 for a sf4000 there also dimmable undo the box on back theres a grommet pop it out then you can change the watts

[@TheHippieGeeks]

We have been loving ours so far, we just flipped over into flower and will probably be doing another update in a couple of weeks.

[@K1k1k148]

@@TheHippieGeeks sweet mate I'll be sure to see it

[@dagov2341]

Are the diodes covered in the rubber coating or just the heat sink?

[@relltakal3706]

I want to run two of these in a 4x8, would two 2000’s be good?

[@TheHippieGeeks]

The SF2000 is advertised as covering a 3'x4' space in veg and a 2'x4' space in flower, so 2 of them would likely not be enough. You would be better off using either 4x SF2000 or 2x SF4000 in that size of tent.

[@cris-vv1pn]

I've gotta 120,120,200 grow tent will the 2000 w led be ok for the tent?

[@juicegeneral5082]

I have one HLG 550 rspec 2 for my 5x5. Works great but the plants on the edge just need to be turned every week

[@msinc9737]

@@cris-vv1pn no, 1 light only covers 0.6 x 1.2, so you need 2bof them, i asked the same question to official spider farmer thats how I know that answer

[@reefonbux9432]

That sf 4000 is banging.

[@framo_official]

can smn suggest a ventilation and filter for 3x3? :/ im beginner

[@TheHippieGeeks]

You are looking for 3-5 air changes per minute, so if your 3x3 tent is 7 feet tall you want a fan that can exhaust 190-315 CFM if you won't be using a carbon filter. A filter is going to require another 20% or so CFM to overcome, so you are looking for a fan that can push 230 - 380 CFM. There are some 4" fans out there that can do that, and several 6" ones will be able to. Just search on Amazon for "4 inch inline fan combo" or "6 inch inline fan combo" and several options will pop up, just check the CFM rating of the fans included with the combo. Hope this helps =)

[@framo_official]

@@TheHippieGeeks ohh thank youu! yes i want to get a carbon filter too! :)

[@MrCocaDisco]

I SAW THE MAXISUN IS THE MAXISUN THE PIRATE OIF THIS MODEL?

[@TheHippieGeeks]

I am not sure, I have not heard of the Maxisun before. There are several companies making this style of light however.

[@Willie-C]

HLG started the qb...everyone else copied

[@Hunter-uy5qs]

I noticed the power supply gets very hot, should I macgyver a cooling system for it?

[@TheHippieGeeks]

It wont hurt, but in our tents the airflow from the fans that move air around the tent is typically sufficient. More airflow never hurts on warm components though =)

[@Hunter-uy5qs]

@@TheHippieGeeks Thanks for your comment.

[@joemama-kx6rk]

Is it still going strong?

[@TheHippieGeeks]

It is still going strong, we will be doing another update video in a couple of weeks when we are in the middle of flower =)

[@miguelmartinez-po8vm]

Can a dimmer be added to that light?

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Only the versions that are several years old would not have dimmers, all of the new versions for the last three years I believe have dimmers now.

[@Bobbyleebudde]

Is 2 SF 2000 good for a 36x60 tent

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Yeah, that should work out pretty well if you space them out evenly and keep them a decent distance above the canopy so that the light spread covers everything.

[@gadomski91]

Good morning! Recently put an SF2000 into my grow tent. Temps haven’t gotten above 81 & humidity is at about 50-60%. Light has been hung at 30” above the canopy. My seedlings are showing signs of stress, some slight yellowing and spots are showing. Unsure if that could be light burn - doubtful, but maybe I should dim? Or cal mag? Just curious what you have seen with your light, and what you’d recommend! Thank you!

[@TheHippieGeeks]

81 is on the warm side of what the plants are comfortable with, but not terribly high. I am going to post a link here to a really good article about the various reasons that could be happening. The main one is PH being out of the range that the plant wants for nutrient uptake, but there can be other reasons past that. Take a look here and see if this gives you some insight into what is going on: www.growyour420.com/leaves-turning-yellow/

[@bruceholinight7978]

You will burn seedlings , put a screen over you're babies till they harden off good !

[@larsulrich3356]

What are the dimensions of the light?

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Their website says 648*268*59MM

[@mnfinest7778]

Or used two of your old LEDs to the sf2000

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Using two of the old lights would also not have been a direct comparison the other direction, as two of the old lights would have drawn 300 watts compared to the 200 watts of the Spider Farmer light. With that said, I may do exactly that in a future video, though before doing any more comparisons I would like to pick up an actual PAR meter. They are expensive though, so we will just have to see what happens.

[@StabbyMcStabwood]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but these aren't quantum boards. Quantum board isn't a generic term, it's the name horticulture lighting group used for their brand of logic boards.

[@35jeff13]

HLG has a trademark on the name Quantum Board. The name generically took off in the grow world but for example, spider farmer does not (cannot) use the term quantum board on their site. Full Spectrum LED grow light is how they label it.

[@StabbyMcStabwood]

@@35jeff13 Yeah I own 3 of the SF4000s and I don't recall seeing "quantum board" on anything. I believe it's printed right on some of my HLG boards, I've got a bunch of those too.

[@TheHippieGeeks]

You are correct, it is not labeled as a quantum board by Spider Farmer in any way. As another reply mentioned it has been used interchangeably for this style of light in most of the other reviews for these boards that I had seen, or folks talking about them. Going to go ahead and pin this comment, then update the title of the video and the description. Thanks for pointing this out to me!

[@StabbyMcStabwood]

@@TheHippieGeeks Sure cool, I'm just a nerd for the details. Happy growing Hippy Geek, have a positive and productive week.

[@StabbyMcStabwood]

@KeRon Tucker I think the Spider Farmers edge out the competition with the build quality. These boards seem nicer than the HLG quantum boards I own in nearly every aspect. I haven't personally handled any of the Mars Hydro (quantum style) boards they have come out with, but they don't seem to have anything special going on.

[@PeterKKraus]

Lux doesn't matter , PAR and PPFD do.

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Correct, but we do the best we can with what we have =)

[@23lnp]

Would you recommend this over the viparspectra tc1200 ?

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Honestly it is going to depend on what your budget is. The TC-1200 is an older style grow light and only pulls 135 Watts from the wall for $90. The SF-2000 is going to cost you considerably more, and pulls 200 watts from the wall but provides far more efficient and better light coverage. If you have the money, yes this will be a better light. However, there is nothing wrong with picking up the light you can afford to get started, if that is what your budget allows.

[@23lnp]

@@TheHippieGeeks thanks for getting back to me brother 👍🏼 Ive been looking at something in the higher price range actually. Ive been looking at the lumatek zeus pro 600w led but not sure whether 1 will be enough for a 2m x 2m tent. What do you think ? Im thinking of doing 8 plants in 2m x 2m tent

[@TheHippieGeeks]

That is a nice looking light. I dug around their spec sheets, and their testing only shows numbers for a 1.5m X 1.5m space, but with its size and power draw it should be able to cover a 2m x 2m space. I looks like it should still do well though =) There are several folks on KZbin that have grown with it and gotten some really good results.

[@23lnp]

@@TheHippieGeeks thanks brother, hopefully it does the job 😀👍🏼 They have the 1000w lumatek zeus but its not going to be released until 2021 and havent got the patience to wait lol. I just hope the 600w will be enough for the 8 plants

[@MrMichaelDTate]

Yes. Easy call. I’m running two sf4000. Amazing

[@K84r7]

does it just run forever until unplugged. do i need a timer for it

[@TheHippieGeeks]

You will need a timer for it.

[@K84r7]

@@TheHippieGeeks thank you

[@TheHippieGeeks]

You are welcome!

[@favoriteyoutubechannel2613]

just wondering I purchased a spiderfarmer 1000 how many plants can I grow and a second Question I have s phlizon 600 watt light I purchased lol please dont laugh I was wondering if that light can grow anything at all.

[@TheHippieGeeks]

The light you use doesn't determine the number of plants you can grow, what it does is give you a footprint for a canopy. In the case of the SF-1000, you can cover an area of about 2'x2' in flower, which is what their small grow tent is. You could grow one larger plant in that space, or six smaller plants, it just depends on how many plants you want to squeeze in there and how long you want veg to last =) As for the Phlizon light, sure it can grow things =) It will not be as efficient as the SF-1000, but it is still a grow light. We had a couple of runs with some really crappy blurpie lights =)

[@favoriteyoutubechannel2613]

@@TheHippieGeeks thanks for replying appreciate it new subscriber here love the videos.

[@TheHippieGeeks]

You bet, thanks for watching =)

[@ucg.2061]

Plants don't give a shit about lux man, we need to see PAR ratings

[@TheHippieGeeks]

I know, I know, but we used what we had at the time. We are going to be doing another sponsored video with Spider Farmer in the next couple of weeks using the SF-2000 inside of their new 2'x4' tent, and will get some updated readings with PAR instead =)

[@ucg.2061]

That will be nice to see the new test

[@TheHippieGeeks]

It will be going live on Saturday morning =)

[@r4ymond3]

what is better electric sky es180 vs sf2000?

[@TheHippieGeeks]

I don't have any personal experience with the ES180, but it looks similar (180watt versus 200watt power draw, different heat sink) to this one at a higher price point. We have an update video on the SF2000 coming out this Wednesday, and not to spoil the video but we have been really happy with it so far. We took 12 plants from seedlings to the time we put them into 10 gallon fabric pots, and we have never had growth this good by the 5 week mark. These new quantum LED style boards are amazing =)

[@r4ymond3]

@@TheHippieGeeks i can actually tilt my es180's to differnt angles in a 3 x 3 .. i think i have more angles ..

[@r4ymond3]

also the dimmer is external on es180 you dont have to open up the back of the controller, you just turn a knob...

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Nice! I am not by any means saying that the SF2000 is the best one on the market and that is the one that everyone should buy, just giving my opinion on how it has worked for us =) I think that just about any of these boards are going to work well for people as long as they are using quality components. We just posted up our 5 week veg update video, and I have been blown away with its performance for the amount of power it has been using. I wish I could afford to replace all of our lights =)

[@r4ymond3]

@@TheHippieGeeks sell and slash your old lights.. i just wish sf2000 had external dimmer, its a drag to unscrew each time when i have to make real time adjustments depending on the light strain...

[@vinylpop]

Nice looking lights with one fatal flaw. The dimmer is inaccessible. You have to remove the driver from the light to access the dimmer. Otherwise I would’ve ordered the SF 4000.

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Indeed, if someone needs an accessible dimmer this would be hard to recommend.

[@dco1019]

On the other hand...you could fasten it with a mechanism for easy detaching like a locking pin of sorts. Or raise the bracket on the board somehow (mount bracket on bracket maybe) and mount the driver upside down? Have the driver on a hinge? Shoudnt be that hard to diy something albeit totally unnecessary cause the manufacturer should have done it. And it sucks to do it ofc cause you wanna get started.. far from a "fatal flaw" though....if you like the rest of the light over similar priced competition. Disclaimer...I'm just rattling of possible ways of doing it...i didn't look into it.

[@dco1019]

@@TheHippieGeeks do you know at what wattage the light runs from the factory? Its at its brightest?

[@vinylpop]

mstrchf 123 Or you could just do what I did and spend the extra cash on a light that has been designed well from the start. I purchased the ChilLed Logic 660 for $799. It’s usually $999. Paid more and got a lot more. I’m good with that.

[@cheflife420]

👍👊🤟

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Thank you!

[@3535samuel]

Dont get it why there is no dimmer switch on this quality light

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Supposedly there is a dimmer under the driver, I am going to try to mod mine to move it out of the way with a 3d printed bracket and see how that works out =)

[@3535samuel]

The Hippie Geeks they installed there dimmer switch under the ballast ? 🤔👀🤷🏻‍♂️🤦‍♂️ ..

[@TheHippieGeeks]

The dinner switch is in the ballast, but is only accessible from underneath.

[@pursaveer9027]

It is now July 2020. Spider Farmer is advertising lights as having dimming knobs, and shipping lights that don't. They ship the ones with the dimmer knobs to the reviewers that they send free lights to. The reviewers then (understandably) back up the allegation of a dimmer knob, and customers receive old stock that has to be taken apart to adjust. ONE DAY Spider Farmer will run out of old stock being sold as new stock, and people will get what they pay for. That day is not here yet. The lights are amazing, but I don't like being lied to. I complained, and got no satisfaction. I could have sent them back, but birds in the hand.....

[@bjdr2001]

Is this basically two 1000 Sfarms lights?

[@TheHippieGeeks]

I initially thought that, but after looking up the specs a single SF-2000 actually has more LED's overall than 2 separate SF-1000's would be. I am not sure how much of a difference that would make as I don't have a pair of SF-1000's to look at, but it is a difference.

[@alcurtis93]

lux measurements are of no use with grow lights. Especially so for blurples. Otherwise a nice video

[@TheHippieGeeks]

I used it more as a comparison between the two lights to show different output, nothing more. Unfortunately I can't afford a better meter that would be able to read par values (the cheapest I have seen are in the $150 range). Perhaps someday, but for now I work with what I have =)

[@lcpgrowers4658]

The Hippie Geeks of course we all have to make due with what we can afford. But Alex’s point matters because Lux Meters heavily favor green light (since that is the color light that humans most strongly see) while dramatically under reporting red and blue light. From the demonstrations and published research I’ve seen they only report about 1/3-1/2 of the light given off by red and blue LEDs (Blurples) while they are much better at measuring light from white LEDs (like Quantum Boards). So your comparison was likely way off due to you using a sensor that is not accurate for measuring the light that plants see.

[@timturk1899]

@@TheHippieGeeks Can't even afford a low end "Hydrofarm" PAR Meter? LMAO!!! How were you going to replace those ancient Blurple lights? Thank God Spyder Farmer gave you a decent light! Right now I'm using a 630W DE-CMH w/COB''s that are totally adjustable around the perimeter of a 5x5 tent. I'm on disability and receive the minimum amount. I'm using a Quantum Board from HLG(65W), and a Fissioning Wave Series Board that's basically an HLG-V288(288 Samsung LM301B Chips) but uses 120W from Amazon. No Spyder Farmer kits then, but mine puts out 25% more light than the Spyder Farmer w/only one board(95W), a friend bought for the same price. Before this I used an old 600W HPS, magnetic ballast. I'd go back to old school HPS/MH before a Blurple light. Strange that you bought so many Blurple lights? Several kinds of lights have been released since the original Blurple LED's, yet you give the impression that this is suddenly a new kind of light? Most "factory" grows, I've seen video of, with hundreds of lights use 1000W HPS(DE usually).. They'd get the quickest return of investment from any LED product, yet most haven't changed? Forgive my rambling. But when you went from the oldest generation of LED's, Blurple, to the newest generation, I wondered what you Geeks have been "geeking" into the last ten years? You did place them so you had an even canopy of light throughout the room though.. Thumbs up for that!

[@timturk1899]

@@lcpgrowers4658 What's also kinda funny. Spyder Farmer sold many, many of those on Amazon, eBay. Xmas discounts, to New Year's Eve. They used Samsung LM301B Series chips. New Samsung Horticulture LED's-LM301H Series chips. 2.6umols/J for the "B", 3.0umols/J for the "H" chips, along with a much better spectrum as well. I just ordered 2-240W LM301H Series chips, all included for $200 each! Or a 95W Spider Farmer light with the old chips for $150? Or if you want 240W of the LM301B, They're available on eBay for $120. No wonder Spider Farmer had those available, 6 months ago? Great deals they got, especially using chips that aren't top bin. Right before the 2020 Samsung Horticulture LED's release. Great deals on eBay for both "B" Series, as well as the "H"! Spyder Farmer will be discontinued, very inexpensive soon. "But there's a sucker's born every minute!"

[@sergiolandz6056]

should i get 2 of the sf 1000 instead of this for a 4x4 tent ?

[@TheHippieGeeks]

A single SF-2000 is actually a little better than two SF-1000's. However, both will be a little small for a 4x4 tent on their own, but will likely work. Spider Farmer recommends that a single SF-2000 cover a 3'x3' space in veg, or a 2'x3' space in flower. We will actually have a video going live on Saturday where we install a SF-2000 into their new 2'x4' tent, and it works out really well.

[@sergiolandz6056]

@@TheHippieGeeks awesome thanks for the reply !

[@TheHippieGeeks]

You bet, thank you for watching =)

[@kristopherhansen8768]

Meijiu on alibaba has better boards with better drivers and better diodes for half the price. If you think you’re getting a deal buying spiderfarmers compared to hlg, just know spiderfarmer is doing the same thing but half the price of hlg but double the price of everyone else lol

[@pietrVDS]

Could you give me a link?!?

[@kristopherhansen8768]

@@pietrVDS www.alibaba.com/product-detail/Popular-Meijiu-260W-HLG-QB288-V3_62037480473.html?spm=a2700.galleryofferlist.0.0.439c635086ZOjK

[@pietrVDS]

@@kristopherhansen8768 Thanks alot for the link! I allready bought the mars hydro ts1000, it's fantastic, and perfect for my little tent

[@pietrVDS]

@camjamsdad there should be in depth comparisons so buyers can decide whats the best buy...

[@kristopherhansen8768]

@camjamsdad call it what you want, atleast they use the latest diodes meant for horticulture

[@meauxjeaux431]

Why would anybody buy a 2000 when they can buy two 1000s (or three-four 600s) ? When the 2000 breaks, you have no light, but if a 1000 goes out, you still have a light. ALSO....with two 1000s, you can get more coverage by separating them by two-three feet. Doesn't make sense to me.

[@TheHippieGeeks]

That is not quite true, though I originally thought the same thing. The SF1000 has 208 LM201B LEDs, 9 Deep Red and 1 IR Chip for a total of 218 individual LEDs. The SF2000 has 576 LM201b LEDs, 28 Deep Red and 2 IR Chips for a total of 606 LEDs. If the SF2000 really was just two of the SF1000's bolted together, it would only have 436 individual LEDs ... not the 606 that it actually has. The SF4000 however does appear to actually be two of the SF2000 bolted together. I would rather go with SF2000's for flexibility, and skip over the SF1000's, though I do not have a SF1000 to really be able to make that choice with.

[@meauxjeaux431]

@@TheHippieGeeks Thanks for the info and pointing that out. That's roughly around 30% more chips compared to two 1000s. Most people, such as myself, who hasn't actually dug deeper, would assume that it's just two 1000s side by side. At 1st. glance, that's exactly what it looks like..

[@TheHippieGeeks]

I actually thought the same thing at first, so I don't blame anyone else for thinking it. Still great lights though, our plants that are under it this cycle look amazing =)

[@billsledman4517]

They look cool but just can’t get out of cobs

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Very similar to COBS, the individual LEDS are just spread out considerably more.

[@tiny2438]

ouch... cost me over 500 for this light... 0:34 shows i got f'd over lololol

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Ouch, that is painful! Can you return it for a refund and pick it up somewhere else?

[@tiny2438]

@@TheHippieGeeks got it from amazon... And it was the cheapest choice from spiderfarmer

[@tiny2438]

@@TheHippieGeeks this light is NOT "budget lighting" yet every video ive seen with it says it is... $550 CAD isnt really "budget" also every grow tent i find costs $300 all the way up to $800

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Ah Canadian, I have no idea what the conversions are, but looking at Amazon in the US and the current listed price is $339, with the price on the Spider Farmer website is $319. I agree, this is absolutly not a "budget" light for normal people. For someone that deals with the truely high end LED's in a professional environment then yes, this light is cheaper. When you are looking at the cheaper blurpie lights versus something like this however, it is absolutely more expensive. However you get more light out of it, at a far lower energy cost per month, so it is just a balance. Our first lights were the blurpies, as it is what we could afford at the time. I do love these lights however, and our big tent will be getting switched over completely before the next grow.

[@tiny2438]

@@TheHippieGeeks im still new to growing and just placed my order for the sf 2000... I read the bluple are harmful to your eyes and they dont do as well as "real sun" type lights. Overall i wont diss the lights or spiderfarmer till ive tried them... At this point... ANYTHING is better then my current lights... (Cfl mixed with led for wider spectrum) have invested a bunch into learning to "grow pro" so im really hoping for them best!

[@grandpastoner7527]

Must be REALLY close to plants. Not very good spread

[@TheHippieGeeks]

I don't agree, we have our seedlings under it right now and it has been pretty great so far.

[@canadiancannabisconnoisseu8978]

Horrible customer service.i still haven’t received my sf4000 I got a Sf 2000

[@TheHippieGeeks]

I am so sorry to hear that! Has the company given you any kind of answer as to how the mix-up happened? We have mostly on heard good things about their customer service.

[@pyramidion5911]

That light is better off in the trash

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Your light is better off in the trash

[@pyramidion5911]

@@TheHippieGeeks Actually for a small tent set up I would recommend the growers choice roi e420 it's a great legit entry level led for folks on a budget. But that would blow your spider farmer cheap chinese copy out of the water so let's pretend it doesn't exist. Be careful though some of your viewers will start figuring out what to look for in a light and they will start calling you out more and more.

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Really with my last comment I was just being a flippant dick =) But are you honestly going to compare the E420 to the SF-2000? Bit of an unfair comparison as the E420 pulls 420 watts from the wall and costs $650 WITHOUT its controller. Meanwhile the SF-2000 is pulling 200 watts and costs half as much. If you want to make a much more fair comparison, that would be the bigger SF-4000, which also pulls 420 watts from the wall. Fortunately, I will have that review going live on Wednesday so you can complain about it on that video =) However, let me give you a sneak peek of the numbers. Looking around at a couple of reviews of the E420, the light levels coming out of the SF-4000 are considerably better for less money. The E420 at 18" pushes 990 PAR at its absolute best point. The SF-4000 I just tested as pushing 1180 PAR at the same distance. Comparing a smaller light to a larger light is a useless argument. You are correct, the E420 is better then the SF-2000. No one cares though, as they should not be compared against each other.

[@pyramidion5911]

@@TheHippieGeeks if you want a decent yield with decent quality you need at least 400 watts drawn from a modern led setup. Anything less than that and your growing larf. I said it's an entry level light and it's just at or under 1k with the controller, if you cant afford that then you should be shopping at a dispensary or down the street at bubba's house cause he put money down where it matters.

[@TheHippieGeeks]

You are fucking hilarious, trying to push a $1000 investment as a budget setup that is the minimum to be able to grow anything worthwhile. You opinion is your own, but to roll up in to a random grow light video to complain that a cheaper light isn't good enough because YOU can afford a better set up is garbage. In your initial comment you said that viewers are going to call me out more and more, but when the best argument you can come up with is that a $1000 set up is better than the SF-2000 ... Well you are technically correct because it costs more then three times as much? Congratulations, you win the internet today.

[@yuril9228]

it doesn't cover freequency full spectrum!, its old, like my ass ! cheep is the best, so..

[@MrCapttrips]

Only Idiots test grow lights in lux not PAR and get a PPFD

[@TheHippieGeeks]

That is incredibly nice of you to volunteer to send me one! As soon as it arrives I will be sure to include those numbers in the next update =)

[@TheHippieGeeks]

In all seriousness though, we will be dropping another video using one of these lights in the Spider Farmer 2'x4' grow tent on Saturday, and we actually have PAR readings in that video =)

[@Daniel-rj2ci]

Bro lux means NOTHING for plants go do your research

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Notice how old the video is =) We have since corrected that issue. Unfortunately for folks just getting into this kind of thing, LUX meters are way more affordable than PAR meters so are really hard to justify the purchase when getting going. Not disagreeing with you, just giving some context as to why it was happening =)

[@Daniel-rj2ci]

Sorry for using harsh language haha. I did not look at the date, pardon me. You are right, they do offer a cheaper alternative.

[@mikososik]

Spider Farmer will send you products with malfunctions . They don't service products and will not give you money back . Keep your money and health .

[@rm0190]

These are a rip off. Sorry. They raise their prices regularly too. If you want a decent light, use Alibaba and buy an HLG clone. Dont buy these.

[@TheHippieGeeks]

I would disagree. With the Alibaba clones, you get a knock off product with a 1 year warranty, if you can even get that. I have had good experiences and bad experiences with Alibaba, and when it is bad ... it is really bad. The Spider Farmer comes with a full three year warranty, and I have never had an issue getting in contact with them for any reason. It just depends on the amount of risk you are willing to take when buying a product. I will never knock someone for going the affordable route, but to call these a rip off doesn't take into account all of the variables you need to look at when buying a product.

[@rm0190]

@@TheHippieGeeks fair. These are already a "budget" light, though. The price is/was the only real attraction. The reason I use "rip off" is based on their business practices of price hiking. There's been four raises in price in nearly as many months. It's over double what it originally was. These guys are greedy. They'll have to give them all away at the price they're at now because they're barely value for money. Alibaba is still a better option if you can't find HLG for whatever reason or you're not of the mind to make your own QB/COB set up. People, sponsored growers on KZbin and beyond, are returning the lights and boycotting in protest of all the hikes. Just because they were nice to you and gave you a light to advertise for them, doesn't mean they're not an underhanded bunch of opportunists.

[@TheHippieGeeks]

That is the beauty of a free market, if the people disagree with the price then they will not sell, and they company will get the message. I will never tell anyone what they should buy, all I can speak to is my experience with the light and feelings on it. Also to be super up front about the fact that we were sponsored, because while I love the lights, there is no way that we could afford them on the budget we have to grow indoor. Hence the reason that all of our original lights were of the super cheap variety =)

[@rm0190]

@@TheHippieGeeks also fair! I wasn't implying there was anything about you to worry about. These guys are Marshydro. They don't tell you that, but they are. Looks at the owners, the distributors. Same. Mars were banned on near every grow forum and known to be a bit shit so rebranded new models as SF to get that market share back and avoid the bans on forums, social media. That's their game. Sponsored growers are commercial pawns in it. Why do you think they give everyone that asks a light and offer others what they want? It's not kindness. Anyway man, you rock. I'm the dick here, I know. But people should know what they get up to to make literally millions a year from us.

[@TheHippieGeeks]

Interesting, I had not heard that it was the same folks as Mars Hydro. The whole sponsorship thing is a game for any company, and while I know that ... I will also accept the sponsorship as long as I can talk about my experiences as the lights are still leagues better than what I had available =)