Spider-Man Homecoming LIVE Spoilercast

[@princedevin1435]

let's be honest we all came here for Dan's opinion

[@bambubambubambu1194]

I know I did!

[@StevenErnest]

Awesome discussion! As you alluded to near the end: now, if we could only get the -- accurate, faithful -- Fantastic Four into the MCU...

[@mutalemwananshiku4098]

Hopefully in 2025.🤞

[@Vader47000]

There's a subtle detail I realized about the Captain America PSAs. Right before the War Criminal line, I was wondering why the school was showing the PSAs when they showcase a criminal. It would be like showing old PE videos with OJ Simpson. So I was glad that War Criminal line was there to kind of address it and some speculation that the state requires it. But later it occurred to me that there's a better explanation for why that school is still showing Cap PSAs. The principal is the grandson of a Howling Commando and his hero worship is the reason he insists on still using those videos. He probably doesn't buy the Cap is a War Criminal talk, so then I wondered exactly how the Cap becoming a fugitive thing appears to the general public, and I assume that with the Internet there's lots of rumors floating around about what actually happened and that Cap probably has a ton of supporters who think he got a raw deal.

[@Vader47000]

He's wearing his costume from the first Avengers movie so they were probably made shortly after the Battle of New York. It's another subtle detail that implies what Cap was doing to re-integrate into the world after being thawed out. Like they point out in the video, he was back to doing "propaganda" movies, in this case the PSAs. He's not quite sure how to return to normalcy, and he ends up making videos for the government, just like they had him doing in WW2. I assume he got tired of that and took on a bigger role within SHIELD. What's cool is this arc plays out until Avengers Age of Ultron when he says he finally feels like he's home, before it all gets turned upside down in Civil War.

[@bluehawkfilm4560]

By the way, Betty Brant is played by Angourie RIce, who played Holly, Holland March's daughter, in The Nice Guys.

[@omniframe8612]

Spider-Man Homecoming is the 1st #mcu movie with a secret identity. Respect!!!

[@AngusStewart01]

Yeah spider Dan is here

[@TheLonelyLurker]

Cap, I have the exact same take on MJ. After seeing it once, she seemed to appear randomly and serve no purpose to the story. I couldn't get a handle on her character. But on second viewing, it's clear that MJ has a huge crush on Peter and is stalking him through the whole movie. All those "random" moments are her attempts to get his attention. It's so cleverly done - and so subtle - that it's easy to miss the first time around.

[@DamnFineCupOfCoffee]

Seeing this in my feed saved my stressful day. Thank you Cap and team.

[@Zock711]

isn't the Stark Expo in Queens? Captain America was at the same expo Howard Stark held before he gets picked for the experiment.

[@HamzaBoujelouah]

This movie was everything I wanted in a Spider-man movie. I find it funny how this movie just screams "you havent seen Spider-man of screen yet," Holland is perfection, RDJ was fantastic as always ( I love how much Tony has grown up), Keaton is the BEST MCU villain and before I forget Michael Giachinno's score is one of the best in any superhero film, both Spidey and Vulture's theme are excellent pieces of music. Also Watts' pulled so many iconic moments from the comics and made it his own although my only gripe is that the pacing is a little slow at times but other than that- this was just a thrilling film

[@TheComixkid2099]

My fantasy is for them to mirror the third act twist with Vulture as Liz's dad in the next movie, but have Peter open the door to Michelle's house, and her dad is J Jonah Jameson. So she would be Michelle Jameson...or MJ. (I was joking about this when I first said it, but I really want this to happen now)

[@joshgulisano1863]

Don’t even have that be a twist, that’s a cool idea to have up front to the audience.

[@JamesCPotter13]

The half spider mask thing was a thing that happened in the Raimi films in a weird way. In Spider-Man 2, there's a lightning flash and Peter's face is lit with the half mask

[@JamesCPotter13]

The great thing about Civil War is Peter explains the whole thing with Uncle Ben in a realistic way. By Civil War he's had his powers and been hero-ing for only a few months...SO PETER DOESN'T WANT TO GET INTO SUCH A FRESH TRAGEDY.

[@dupersuper1938]

Vulture, Scorpion, Tinkerer, Shocker 1, Shocker 2 and Prowler. We totally got our Sinister Six movie.

[@qwellen7521]

I might be in the minority but i liked the inclusion of Karen. The "you should kiss her" line was genuinely funny to me. Having two confidants for peter would really continue to make him engaging. I also think it's smart integration of self narration. Also i read an interview with the director and they might be considering not including uncle Ben at all in this continuity. We could have a completely fresh take on the origin. That genuinely excites me.

[@Jorhin65]

Stark Expo was in New York

[@tornadochaser2457]

We have had enough angst in Spider-Man movies! Besides, this Spidey's series is in the MCU, which has a light-hearted tone for the most part. I really liked the tone of Homecoming, you can have good drama while still being light and breezy tone wise. Spider-Man needs to change things up by this point anyway, people can only take so much of the crying and funerals.

[@ConnerNielsen6]

If they do The Chameleon in one of these movies, it would be cool if he was just a common criminal who recovered the face-changing mask from The Winter Soldier from the wreckage of the triskellion. I think that'd be cool and in line with the Vulture/Tinkerer/Shocker gang in this movie.

[@secondavenger9775]

For a second I thought Jason started wearing glasses when I saw how small Eric was next to Logan in the thumbnail. Lol XD

[@bernardocamarena3892]

this was mentioned in the stream already but i just want to reiterate that, as somebody who's currently in high school, the high school in the movie was incredibly realistic

[@nicholasbarber768]

There was an audible "ooh" and "ah" at the faux Iron Spider in my cinema. Also, at the beginning, the theatre initially screwed up and started playing Will Ferrell's new movie. The trailers that played before it scarred several children in convinced. 😂

[@commanderspyder5432]

Miles' Uncle is called Aaron lol.

[@capledbetter]

In terms of the timeline issues, it did bother me a lot at first after I had seen the movie (though while watching the movie I was so engrossed in the characters and story that I didn't care). I think the movies for the most part have been ambiguous in whether they have taken place in real time or not. However, what pushes me to think not is that even though Iron Man 3 takes place in 2012, Iron Man 2 takes place six months after the end of the first Iron Man. From that point on, it makes much more sense to say that the first phase of movies would take place all around the same couple of years and for the Battle of New York to take place like in early 2010, which would be just around 8 years before the events of Homecoming (since that film likely takes place in the fall of 2017 since Peter's probably in his sophomore year of high school). It even makes sense with what is said in Civil War because if Homecoming takes place two months after Civil War, then it would still make sense that the end of Iron Man took place a little over 8 years before that like Vision states. Thunderbolt Ross even has a line stating that the Avengers "for the past four years have operated with unlimited power and no supervision", and I originally interpreted that as being from the Battle of New York up until then. However, one could say that since SHIELD/HYDRA being taken down in The Winter Soldier takes place in late 2013 or early 2014, then that's the time he's talking about because SHIELD was their supervision in a way, and so it could mean that there were almost 4 years in between HYDRA being taken down and present. I think it's honestly open to interpretation, but with the evidence that other films are not taking place precisely the year they're produced like Iron Man 2, I'm willing to go with that notion, even if it means adjusting my frame of reference a little as I watch the other films. However, I do think that Feige or whoever originally had most of the movies take place in the year they were released in Phase 1, but there are so many more interconnected characters and stories now than there were before that maybe they eventually scrapped that idea, so I think that may be where the discrepancy lies. I've only been thnking this through so much because it was the only major issue I had with the movie and otherwise enjoyed it so much! Sorry for the novel-length post, I just thought maybe my take would help the Captain and everyone else out! Thanks for all your input and great job on the spoilercast!!! :) PS: I also realized that even if Peter being the little kid with the helmet at the end of Iron Man 2 was a bit of an afterthought, the Stark Expo was held in Flushing, which is literally 15 minutes away from Queens, meaning that it's very possible that Peter as a little kid could've been there during the end of Iron Man 2 at the expo.

[@2117ao2]

Do you think they will further Peter's character a tad in the Infinity War movies?

[@mr2000s]

Really good spoulercast, guys, but I was really hoping to hear Cap's opinion of Tony and Pepper getting back together. I was thrilled, personally.

[@chrisdell5679]

Y'all have great passion for this!

[@ImplicitlyPretentious]

Aww it's so good to see Lo again!

[@Vader47000]

I'm confused about what Eric was complaining about with the kid in Iron Man 2 being retconned to be Peter Parker. The Stark Expo was in New York, so why is there a problem with how Peter might have been able to go to it?

[@haloplayer9855]

Vader47000 where was this confirmed? i thought it was a dumb fan thing

[@Vader47000]

Guy Person Tom Holland told The Huffington Post June 26 that Kevin Feige confirmed it to him

[@TheMantaBluRay]

Yeah this movie is Great. Easily #5 or #6 in best MCU films and probably the most re-watchable Spider-man movie ever. That's all I got to say.

[@bluedragonfive]

I think the stark expo is in flushing queens so thats not a stretch to get peter there

[@samkaranja5709]

it's 2016 or 2017 cap, just look at the 8 years thing a typo. it's actually 4 or 5 years

[@AldenDiaz]

- I also didn't like the Avengers suit at the end. I could see it maybe popping up in a fight with Thanos or someone more powerful, but unless it's the black suit then I don't need a change. - The timeline stuff is ridiculously messy. So strange that they did that. Because Civil War is DEFINITELY in 2016. And we flash forward a few months. There's so much evidence for and against different explanations. Best to be ignored. - Nobody mentioned how Stark sold Avengers tower. Who could possibly by that? ...Osborn! Has to be. Or if by some miracle they got the F4 rights in secret like they did with Spidey, I could see it being the Baxter building.

[@santos8468]

I did some digging and found out that the young actress who plays Betty Brant is the girl who was Ryan Gosling's daughter in The Nice Guys.

[@chaosincarnate1000]

I'd love to see sam's channel pop up in a spider man related video from you guys. He's a big fan of the Raimi films and I'd love to hear him debate about that with you guys, since it seems like no one in this panel really likes them much lol.

[@StevenErnest]

Capt, I suggest you always list the names of your panelists and their YT channel, Twitter, etc., in the info box below the vid. You and Eric are omnipresent, but Lo and Dan not so much of late. ^_^

[@richborn6700]

I find casting Ganke as Ned makes no sense. In the original books Peter had no high school friends, Ned Leeds was a rival at the Bugle. If they were so in need of the diversity card use Randy Robertson as his High School friend. That also helps to tie the universe to the Daily Bugle and further Peter Parkers story. Now we don't have Ned, Miles won't have Ganke if they ever get to him. Also not a fan of the MJ thing, not a fan of Liz Allen being related to The Vulture in spite of that really good twist. Also just a small nitpick but WHY does Betty Brant look like Gwen? Same hair style and color, same black thing in her hair. This smashing and cramming of characters into other characters is annoying to me. If they focus on the supporting cast they'll have trouble when certain characters are nothing like they need to be for specific comic book scenes.

[@Madman-ym8dh]

This movie was a breath of fresh air. Despite the fact that this was the 6th or 7th Spiderman film, it had a new spin (pun intended). My only problem was that the emotional beats wheren't as powerful as some of the moments in the Raimi films.

[@manuelaag99og]

Civil War was 8 years since the first Iron Man, but then this movie is 8 years since AVENGERS? What? How does that work?

[@bluehawkfilm4560]

I think Marvel may have been thinking of Yellowjacket's film costume when deciding to not do the straight-up Iron Spider suit. I can't say that as a fact. I'm just postulating here.

[@ringeradam4575]

I definitely think I'm the only person that came here because it showed up in blameitonjorge's recommended...

[@lovecraft2172]

Wasn't a fan of how Gargan was portrayed, I liked how in the classic spidey comics he was a Private Eye and JJ basically shoved him into becoming the Scorpion. Making him a generic thug with a scorpion tattoo seems lame to me

[@dupersuper1938]

Many have guessed that Karen becomes Jacosta.

[@subject8793]

im with dan. i hated the avengers suit he refused to wear

[@alexh4319]

Yeah that suit looked way too busy and over-designed. It looks like a crappy 90's toy,

[@haloplayer9855]

Nightwatch Gaming ya i was really worried when i 1st saw it, i hope they never use it

[@thoarnejones6805]

wouldn't it have been great if vulture wasn't just arming criminals, but also regular people, because he feels people should be armed in case of another alien invasion. That not just the Avengers should have high tech weapons

[@ThePonderer]

The more I see art of the suit Tony made at the end, the more I swing to liking it as much as Cap does. I think the shot of it in Homecoming was just really poorly lit.

[@bluehawkfilm4560]

Kevin Feige has come out and said that Michelle's surname is Jones, thus, she is not Mary Jane. They could go down the direction of Michelle becoming this universe's MJ, or they could later decide to bring in Mary Jane Watson herself.

[@commanderspyder5432]

I'd much rather have a character with the actual name from the comics than just having the same initials. It feels like this movie is just hinting at a past movie love interest just to be different IMO. I want to see Mary Jane done right personally.

[@JamesCPotter13]

What if her name is Michelle Jones NOW....but her name could get hyphenated later if her mom remarried...M J-W.

[@chewbaccaslover1432]

I liked this movie, but I don't think it's as good as Spectacular Spider Man, I still think that version feels the most like the comics.

[@makura5705]

Never understood the complaint that it's hard to do spideys inner monologue in film. Just add an echoing effect that makes it seem like we're hearing his thoughts. No need for an AI or guy in a chair. As a kid I always assumed that we were simply hearing his thoughts in the 90s show not that he was speaking out loud.

[@mylessmith8059]

The end of Iron Msn 2 takes place in New York.

[@commanderspyder5432]

I don't mind Hobgoblin being in these movies, as long as Norman still appears.

[@frankshort8713]

My problem with them making Michelle the Mary Jane of the MCU is that she's not Mary Jane; she's a completely different character! Right down to the fact that she has a different name!! I cringed a little when she came out and said her nickname was "MJ". It came off to me as a weird, half-assed attempt at fan service in the same vein as making John Blake's legal name Robin in DKR. There was just no need for it. They've given us a great original character in Michelle, so why try and make her Mary Jane when she's not?

[@Styleshift88]

Frank Short - I originally disliked this film when I saw it, but now it's my favorite Spider-Man film. Think about it. They never gave us full names for a reason. Liz really had more in common with early Betty Brant than Liz Allen. Classic Liz is a d***. In the film, Liz is older than Pete and he makes a decision that is a good decision but ultimately causes a rift between them because of someone who she is related to (Her brother with the gambling problem.) Betty Brant was in the film but looked like Gwen Stacey and did not act like either character. I think that John Blake and Michelle are incomparable because one is just a lame attempt at giving the non-comic book reading audience an easter egg and the other actually serves a purpose for story telling. If they told you that she was MJ. If she acted like MJ than all of us who are interested in that pairing would than start looking forward to that pairing and the stories that are involved with that pairing. Edit - If Liz was named Betty Brant in this film, more people would have seen that twist coming. The same thing literally happened in the Spectacular Spider-Man cartoon except it was Liz's brother The Molten Man.

[@ItsMichaelReid]

Frank Short Apparently her name is Michelle Jones.

[@commanderspyder5432]

If she is MJ, I'm getting an Ultimate vibe from her. Which is cool. Just make her like MJ as much as possible lol

[@bigaubrey41]

i whould have ice cube as jj Jameson

[@TheDayGhost]

The Marvel character in Spider-Man Spring Formal or whatever it's called could be a new character as well. I saw an interview with John Watts recently where he said that he's interested in doing Morbius and Blade for the second movie.

[@commanderspyder5432]

Does anyone else have a problem with the MJ reference? If she's not MJ, why give her those initials?

[@commanderspyder5432]

I'm annoyed with them calling her MJ when that's not even her name. If she is MJ, maybe Michelle isn't her real name? Please Marvel.

[@mutalemwananshiku4098]

54:09 more like michelle jones watson.

[@shadow80y]

Ned shouldn't be an Osborn, Flash should.

[@spencerpommier806]

I swear if they kill Peter... If they absolutely have to include miles which I don't know why they would you can keep Peter there as a mentor figure even have him retire.. Why is Miles Morales popular? What makes him interesting I seriously don't get it

[@gjjijji]

I believe peter getting killed played a huge part in Miles origins.

[@TheDayGhost]

My thought was that the Miles reference was just a reference and that it won't lead to anything. That's what I hope anyways. I hate Miles Morales, I'd rather just have the real Spider-Man.

[@commanderspyder5432]

Miles is overrated IMO. Part of me thinks he's so popular because he's not white lol. I don't hate him though.

[@TheDayGhost]

Commander Spyder yeah maybe. Marvel seems to be replacing characters with people that are "minority's". But they don't make them good characters and most of them won't be remembered after they eventually bring back the classic character. They should just make new characters instead.

[@commanderspyder5432]

Exactly, but Marvel don't listen. Hopefully their new Rebirth-like event 'Legacy' will fix some things.

[@TheAncientdragon1]

Spider-Man: Homecoming isn't the best Spider-Man film, but it certainly was fun. And, it deserves to be successful.

[@TheAncientdragon1]

Thomas Anderson Why are you asking me? What ultimately matters is what you consider to be the best film. All films are subjective. That being said. My personal favorite Spider-Man movie is: The Amazing Spider-Man 2.

[@TheAncientdragon1]

Eric Wright That's your opinion.

[@StevenErnest]

He clearly doesn't understand your comment that film (art) is subjective.

[@TheAncientdragon1]

StevenErnest It's amazing that people can't tell the difference between fact and opinion.

[@StevenErnest]

Exactly. I quite liked The Amazing Spider-Man 2, and was pretty alone in my opinion, lol. When it comes to films, or ANY art form -- by its very nature -- it is subjective; one's personal opinion. This is inevitable. It could be argued that art which stands the test of time, and is considered a classic, for example, The Wizard of Oz, the works of Shakespeare, etc., show a more "factual" evidence of quality. That said, of course there are people who don't like Shakespeare, lol.

[@SoBlurrific]

DO A FLIP!!!

[@commanderspyder5432]

If she's not MJ, why give her those initials! FFS Marvel lol

[@comiclegend7394]

Reasons homecoming sucks This is why homecoming sucks 1. Vulture is a genaric red neak villan 2. Spiderman is a joke and nothing else 3. The music is bad besides the main theme 4. Ned leeds is a stariotyp of a character and is not original at all 5. Iron man is treated like he is a better superhero IN A FUCKING SPIDERMAN MOVIE 6. Flash is a but of a joke insted of a character 7. All of the cast is annoying and feels like a Disney show 8. Gimicy spiderman suit 9. Boring simple plot 10. Not enough character development 11. Bad cgi 12. Ant may is all wrong 13. Boring love intrest 14. Cringey jokes 15. no much iron man 16. Over using mcu stuff 17. Its so dated 18. Bad action where spiderman is to pussy to punch 19. Misses to point of spiderman 20. Another wast of a villan 21. Peter is more annoying then charming 22. Way to much miles moralis shoved in 23.not acurat yo real highy school struggle 24. Stan lee maid spiderman to be a teen age hero that does not need help or to be a sidekick well in the movie he is basically a sidekick 25. In your heart of heart you know that they should have tryed harder and that its another sad shitty movie that is not as good as logan or batman mask of the phantasom and that spidermans heart and soul is not in it

[@DCMarvelFanGuy]

I disagree with most of your points but can somewhat see where you're coming from. Except for Vulture! I've spoken to people who don't like what was done with Peter and his supporting cast but even they loved Vulture. Telling me he was the best part. To each their own I suppose. They could have done worse with the Vulture. I loved this take on him.

[@comiclegend7394]

DCMarvelFanGuy i feel that the vultures motavations and character was rushed

[@DCMarvelFanGuy]

There could have been a little more time spent dealing with that. Totally fair. My one complaint regarding Vulture (and I guess this ties a little bit into what you were saying) is that I wish there was more of him. Maybe a longer scene with him and his family. More moments of Adrian as a family man. I kind of wish for a series that shows the rise of Adrian's empire between those eight years like Breaking Bad. I'm hoping for more deleted scenes with Vulture for those reasons and because I loved him and he IS my favorite MCU villain. I just loved how small scale it all was.

[@comiclegend7394]

DCMarvelFanGuy thats a great point

[@767scarecrow]

How can anyone take this comment seriously? Much less give it a like?