Spiderman JUST Became S+ Tier!! Advanced Guide Part 2

[@z00ko]

Guys the title of the video is ADVANCED guide. Some people struggle with combos but I come from fighting games where execution is part of being good at a character. Spider is difficult to make him good. People dragged psylocke, but top 500 are doing exactly what I talked about in the video. People drag spiderman but top grandmaster spiders are doing the combos from my first video. And the best player rn is iron man playing iron man exactly how I mentioned is his most optimal way and I never knew there were top 500 irons yet. I made my video days before they even got to the top. In short, optimization is never easy and it takes skill, time, and attention to detail with execution. It’s not for the casual players. I’m here to give you the way to be like the best, whether people do it or not. That’s on them. This is for the advanced players. Gather the information, practice and play. But there’s always more to learn and more to do. I love playing characters that force me to be better or work on them to get the potential out of them. That’s what spider is…. Ive only ran into one good spiderman EVER… and I msged him because I know he’s someone who learned these cancels and put time in the lab to master not only combos but movement. When you can’t react or get away from a spiderman and can’t track him while he’s swinging. And he bursts you in 1s before you can even click your buttons. He’s scary af. That’s the reward. Some people just want to have fun, some people want to be the best. I am going to show you how to be the best. How to optimize so you can have fun… AND win. People are still struggling with movement with Spider-Man. When in the first video I mentioned to jump to stop your momentum. Whether before or after any ability. People don’t have the attention spans to be great anymore. Guess it’s just the way of the new gen. But I gave people the code to be the best spiderman out here. If they apply this and master it. The result will be them being untouchable. I’m reading some of these comments and I get so disappointed that people couldn’t even see how what they were saying are their issues with spider… I have the new combos that eliminate those issues and makes his dmg extremely consistent and an option select. Also how now you can use your e that brings you to him to make all of your dmg now not having to deal with the momentum of a character or yourself. In short, people need to truly listen and watch and understand the character they’re trying to play and practice. Because spiderman is more consistent than black panther now. With all of his dmg now being quicker and more optimal for burst with less hitches and pauses or movement corrections to get the dmg. I’m more scared of a good spiderman rather than a great psylocke. Because if you don’t CC him. He can’t get touched. And now his burst are extremely scary. Comparing him to black panther is night and day. BP is horrible compared to spiderman. In short, play the character, master the character, and truly intake and think & listen. This is the way - Mandalorian

[@EepyGirlLava]

Fully agree, but don't blame the new generation lol, we arent all like this this I swear, although I may be the only person I know my age who still has the patience to read a book and not spend time on tik tok or yt shorts, there are still a few of us left

[@solaymantadmori1447]

I knew you had an fg background the moment you started talking about option selects. Ngl I picked up spiderman for the same reasons the freedom and satisfaction you get from mastery with him is great. He kinda reminds me of Steve from Tekken the way he relies so much on animation cancels and great movement and timing. Good guides man keep up the good work.

[@superfunforce8052]

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[@tenr4]

Can you like shorten to Compact points. I get you're making sure that people get what you're saying but i think that making a more shorter, more easier to read essay will be better

[@kaidejesus-johnson3849]

Much love for takin the time to put this comment out appreciate the effort and info u put out keep it up plz don’t stop if u enjoy this. The comment says it all so I can’t wait to see upcoming content from a. Fellow Spider-Man lover appreciate and happy holidays!

[@tts283]

This advanced guide is extremely useful and I will be using it. However, the thing most people don't understand (specially non spidey mains) is that you don't really need to kill whoever your target is as spidey. You are meant to annoy the backline and distract them. In the 1-3 secs (or more) you distract their backline, your team can: - Kill the enemy tank because their healers are more preoccupied on surviving or shooting at you. - Your tanks and dps can play more agressively because the enemy dps are trying to kill you. - Your healers can keep everyone at full hp because as spidey, you got the mobility to stay healthy. You getting a kill as spidey is the cherry on the top. Most people notice the elims and dmg they do only because it is stated on the scoreboard. Just going to leave it at that.

[@Tech_D3mon]

The problem with this is, hitting stuff like this mid fight is very hard not only that the uppercut doesn't stop any momentum for you or whoever you're using it on, so either you'll go too far or they'll go too far and it will mess with your aim giving them enough time to retaliate. So a lot of the times hitting that follow up after the uppercut is a lot harder than it looks.

[@NonJohns]

there's workarounds like not bhopping in the first place, using airstrafing to brake before the uppercut, using the enemies to body block you (you don't phase through them if you're not using movement abilities) there's actually lots of options but Spider-Man players have to sweat their butts off for anything which is kinda the best part but yeah you're right lots of factors to consider Edit: I totally misread your comment I agree not much can be done after the uppercut but cancelling the uppercut helps a lot I'm experimenting with a diving with a web swing, uppercutting and then using the grapple to followup

[@9000twister]

You cant go too far when you just uppercut straight up then its just and aim thing, Web clusters still impossible to dodge with the webswing cancel

[@Naxbot]

Web zip to their feet and then cancel the ending lag with the same right click that you will use to start any of these combos. If done correctly you can completely stop the momentum.

[@SarpSerter]

Man my problem is that the person im pulling during pull.abim headshot k.o s me. Honestly I dont think any of these combos work if the target is aware you are coming. If they are aiming you when you start the co.bo you are dead or you have to do the first %15 of this combo than instantly leave.

[@NonJohns]

@SarpSerter I've seen ppl turn 180 to avoid showing face but also! since spiderman is so squishy and has high mobility, unironically, you should only attack when ppl don't see you to prevent being counter bursted like this

[@SnappySanad]

I knew I could cancel Lshift into web shoot but I didn't think it was possible to do it so fast that you don't even swing if you're aiming at terrain. I was practicing aiming at the air to cancel that lmao

[@NonJohns]

As an overwatch+ smash bros player, its pretty interesting to see all the newer players who don't have problem solving mindset yet or execution problems This is really good imo, it means that more players are getting into marvel rivals and its popular we have to be kind to the noobies and bear with their uhh shortcomings so we can help the life time of Marvel rivals 😎

[@Spadoops]

Nice vid and mention of the webswing cancels. The route ffame mentioned about canceling the hammerfist into uppercut is super important though. Not only because its a lot of damage, but also because the uppercut can cancel the animation really early and hit at the same time as the lingering hammerfist hitbox. With a web tracer on your target, you can burst both tanks and squishies fast as hell & build hella ult charge on large groups. Timing feels weird but adding this to your combos will help the one shot.

[@z00ko]

I outgrew that old tech. Go watch my new vid. Showing the two most optimal combos spider had

[@Joker_noAke]

I thought everyone knew already, but you can bind get over here to 2 different buttons for it to pull you to them, or them to you (you have to bind get over here targetting to 1 button, and get over here to a different button entirely)

[@kevinrosa8045]

one tip, if you go to spider man keyboard settings you can actually switch binds of your 2 abilities on E, so if you'll see a setting called get over here marker, if you go down and switch your E bind and keep this first setting on E, it lets you use both versions of E even with the marker on, pretty useful btw

[@Pazzystar]

the what the who??? 😂😂😂

[@ez1oxd]

u can still use your hook on a webbed enemy if u change your binds for the "targeting" skill, i have my hook set for R and helps make spider-man a great team player

[@NonJohns]

@@ez1oxd I do think people way underestimate the pull because it doesn't do damage... DISPLACEMENT IS CRAZY esp if you have a teammate with you to do any sort of chip! You can pull enemy out of los of healers, OR your teammate can do an inch of damage and then you can unleash your burst combo that USUALLY sucks because muh enemy heals it's a team based game guys lol

[@Altay1]

In what real game scenario will you ever melee attack before using your E ability. You will never use these combos vs players as you nearly every time use your E ability as gap closer. In platinum+ elo people just kill you before you have the opportunity to punch them with melee attacks...

[@NonJohns]

@@Altay1 spiderman web swing has crazy mobility you can raw swing + dive bomb from the sky you can get the drop by hiding in the shadows with wall climb you can do the web swing and pull and you can even bunny hop into people with insane speed all of these options are pretty hard, but they work! you just have to be aware of the situation and predict your enemies' movement this stuff is possible!

[@Altay1]

@@NonJohns I know, I often start with Web Swing + Web Shot Cancel into Uppercut then follow with the rest of my abilities for a kill. I´ve played a lot of Spidey vs good players and you simply have no time to be there swinging punches. You need to go in, do quick damage, and go out in another second. You die to 1 Hawkeye Arrow, 2 shots from Punisher shotgun, 2 Hela attacks, etc. If you go and try melee attacking vs players platinum above, you are dead meat. If the target lives after your combo, it´s always better to secure the kill with Web Shots rather than fishing for lucky melee hit - skilled people try to move out of your melee range asap. I was referring to his combos that involve melee attacks. Those you will never pull off before dying :D

[@NonJohns]

@@Altay1 I see I haven't gotten to play at high level so I can't say much other than "um well um... u just need better situational awareness" lol I can't fathom not having enough time to get more than 2 hits yet but I assume you're right

[@tts283]

I often drop down on enemies that aren't aware I'm above them to save my e to finish them. The thing this video really opens up with is that basically cancel your e, uppercut and web shooting animation with web swinging.

[@GavinKujava]

Melee into F for that double tap

[@umebius6997]

I would say do keep in mind that a lot of these combos maximizing DPS/time efficiency at the cost of increased complexity. For example the combo (A) shown in 4:18, instead of doing that, you can kill a Panther with just (B): Web>E (full animation)>Melee>Web>Uppercut. In comparison, B can be triggered in any range, require only 1 Melee>Web timing precision instead of 2 Melee>E and Shift>Web precisions, and the time to kill is pretty much the same. Take another combo for example, 4:26, (C) that's 7 key inputs. Then of course in a practical situation enemy might be getting heals but you would also want to keep your bread and butter short simple and flexible.

[@NonJohns]

Yeah we're at the phase where people are optimizing purely for burst, but in the future, spiderman players will be able to situationally judge which combos to use and also be doing this at a million mile hit and runs no heals? yeah web over web upper highly mobile? upper grapple no swings left? do the slow version because Mantis only has one charge left anyway it's exciting to imagine what the future holds

[@umebius6997]

@@k4rma13 Well its just untrue that you need to stand for that combo to work, and you don't need to play out the full E, you can uppercut cancel and then follow up with melee and webs, the timing precision is still way less than his combo. And you're overexaggerating a lot.

[@umebius6997]

@k4rma13 @k4rma13 If you actually put two or one brain cell to work, you would figure out whatever combo you are using IT CAN BE COUNTERED OR CANCELLED. Even if you're using any combos shown in this vid, you cancel the E with Right Click, you think a Support wouldn't be able to CC you? As for not being able to copy my mentioned combo (I didn't create this its all over other videos), ppsss, SKILL ISSUE.

[@umebius6997]

@@k4rma13 I meant the cancel E with Shift and Right Click he showed in vid but there's no point arguing with you go do whatever you wanna do not my problem

[@robertbarber1198]

Playing this character on pad is borderline impossible for me.

[@Ed_AlphA]

My tip would be to have a scuff controler and/or map as many buttons to your triggers and shoulder buttons

[@sniperpaintcorrection]

In fights soon as you do these combos they are able to jump back after the web to avoid the uppercut or when you do the upper cut they jump to avoid the next hits .

[@Nekropl]

That's really amazing, but i don't like to use my E from close range because it's allows me to initially ingage with high damage, but this animation cancel is a big changer

[@Pazzystar]

i would dream of web shooters that disables enemy space bar jump for few seconds!!! you jump in the middle of enemies as spiderman

[@Respec2.1]

Well , I am console player and it's torture to do this things , but it possible , just HARD AsF

[@mattiguess8094]

pretty easy for me with the right binds

[@Shambreezy]

this combos are good but hard to execute on higher ranks D3-GM3 since most healers are alert basically you'll stick on the basic combo because before you even land the final hit they'll either run away or get heals and there's our friend namor fk that hero haha

[@Pazzystar]

is there a website where i could just read? the combos???😅

[@E46330ci]

Dont do that, don’t give me hope 🥺

[@jonfall7941]

Why do you need to use your left shift in these combos? Like web-melee-web-uppercut. What does the swing/zip button get you there?

[@tts283]

This opens up the fact that you can cancel the e, uppercut and web shooting animation with short pressed web swinging.

[@A4RENSIX]

its such a shame we have to do all of this to make him viable when everyone else is just op off rip

[@jadenfoster7702]

U don't I main spider man and I only be doing the the basic stuff and still be going 30-3 I feel like the most important thing is just having good movement these advanced combos that are insanely hard to pull off aren't needed

[@A4RENSIX]

@@jadenfoster7702 u must be getting bot lobbies ive been playing him since beta and every game i get healers who just never die even with basic and advanced combos. even with venom combo they still don't die i do the whole combo and web them even AFTER the venom thing and they survive

[@hikami6207]

@@A4RENSIX tbh in good lobbies you will probably not be able to land this combos still unless in a 1v1, cause healers will stick with their team and heal each other, which means not enough time to execute most of this combos before everyone looks at you and melts you

[@jadenfoster7702]

@A4RENSIX Im gold 3 so they definitely aren't bots u just just have to keep going in over and over and you'll find someone that isn't getting healed once you kill one healer the other one is usually pretty easy to kill then after that u go for a dps if u can

[@zoang211]

@@A4RENSIX look at ffame's combo its as good as the venom one, maybe even better, bc you dont need the team up but its kinda hard

[@alfredhigglestein2828]

I'm struggling with the melee into e part, either doing it too early and skipping/cancelling the melee or doing it too late and the web is detonated/disappeared already. Is it purely a timing thing and something I just have to keep trying until I get it?

[@z00ko]

timing purely, you can try looking at the hit markers and try to time it at that exact same time the hit markers show up but a little more preemptively

[@alfredhigglestein2828]

@@z00ko alr sick thanks ill keep trying

[@superfunforce8052]

Try to explain moves with type of attack, not clicks, I dont use a mouse lol

[@9000twister]

Right click is your left trigger and left click is your right trigger. We refer to shooting or meleeing as left clicking in pretty much any game itll be your right trigger

[@superfunforce8052]

@@9000twister that helps ty, although I have custom controls for many characters so I will have to reverse engineer lol

[@sannyvillalon3330]

what is a combo to one shot 250/275 hp heroes?

[@z00ko]

Go watch my newest spider videos

[@Shambreezy]

cluster, E, uppercut, web swing, cluster, left click

[@AMCBhave]

why do you want to animation cancel by doing lshift into web? What is it achieving?

[@9000twister]

Like he said for the upper cut at the beginning, Using webcluster is wrong normally because its slower than meleeing, when you instantly cancel the animation of anything with a web swing and do the move much faster, Kills happening much faster with much more combo in the middle thats adding lots of overall DPS to your overall gameplay.

[@maxisqt]

Just change your "get over here" binding to be different from your E?

[@9000twister]

Why?

[@kevinrosa8045]

​@@9000twister read mine above

[@9000twister]

@kevinrosa8045 Its def not like anything special but its a nice option, Not like auto swing

[@ilunne1221]

im trying to do this, is hard as fuck D: how long it took for you to make it consistent?

[@NonJohns]

@@ilunne1221 It really depends on your experience with combo execution I have 24 hours in marvel rivals and I'm at the point where it takes me a couple hours to learn knew combos BUT I have like hundreds of hours in super smash bros ultimate and even more untracked hours in other fighting games so it may take you longer than gamers if you don't have that "press buttons in a special order with special timings" skill yet I think it's really satisfying to learn combos and pull them off in game and I hope you do too

[@z00ko]

15m but I have a lot of fighting game experience with cancels and such.... look at my channel history.... I love fighting games so this came easy

[@Pazzystar]

so just spam all buttons? either way learning all this bullshit still doesnt make SpiderM as deadly as other melee duelists, he hits so weak, supposed to have spider strength???

[@5kitz]

whats massering mean?

[@5kitz]

"like dis"

[@5kitz]

wait guys whos the bad boy? spiderman or wakinda? (im 1/10 black so im not from wakanda im like from wakinda?) *waves hand while saying this