Will Nigel Farage destroy the Tories? | spiked podcast

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[@jettjones9889]

The Tories had an 80 seat majority with a mandate to dismantle the appalling Blair legacy but focused on infighting, green nonsense and tax increases, my god.

[@Akm72]

IMO the nation was sick and tired of Blair's New Labour before the 2010 election and the only thing the Conservatives had to offer was the 'heir of Blair', Cameron. The country is still looking for a real alternative.

[@jonathanpersson1205]

What has happened to british politics? You have a conservative party that isnt conservative a labour party that isnt interested in the interested in the interests of workers and a Scotish National Party that wants Scotland to be subservient to Brussels

[@extremepredudice]

Welcome to OPPOSITE LAND!

[@aclark903]

@@jonathanpersson1205Cameron thought that moving the Tories leftwards was a good idea. It worked for a while but it has now run its course. The Tories now either move right or die out. Up to them.

[@tenniskinsella7768]

The mistake they obviously made was to get rid of boris with the help of labour. I detest everything labour stand for. Policies if envy. Its a crime to have money although starmer has plenty and he lied about his working class background. He's a hyprocrite and opportunist and y want someone like that to be prime minister Whatever sunsks faults anyone is better than starmer. I am just an ordinary person Ivinghoe in a very ordinary house. But I have come into some money so starmer is after it. He's bound to increase inheritence tax . He's started on private schools. Inheritence tax next. Then reducing women's rights. And then letting everyone in . Putting immigrants before the indegious population y can bank on that agreeing woth the national trust about the wrongs of our empire. A patriotic person should not vote for him.

[@percival74898]

Reform needs our votes!

[@harrying882]

The milkshake thrower is a fan’s only sex worker. Obviously hoping for more fans, anyway she’s a sex worker, I hope this very bad person ends up desolate.

[@cailancook9720]

If Reform under Nigel’s leadership truly offers an opportunity to crack the duopoly in British politics then the general public should grasp this with both hands & RUN!

[@Norfolkandchance886]

I think they are going to mate. I ain't even in the UK this week and I can feel the wind has seriously changed. Too much cultural enrichment. The working classes have the numbers and they are 😡

[@goofygrandlouis6296]

AMEN

[@Hector-bj3ls]

I'm (not so) secretly hoping for a Reform win. We gave the Tories an 80 seat majority to "Get Brexit Done". We should have just stuck with UKIP or the Brexit Party. Let's not make the same mistake this time. No matter what the Tories say, I'm not voting for them again!

[@zvikaso]

Could you please be kind enough to define "British" for me? Because I'm not sure what it means these days...

[@JckSwan]

The Tories destroyed the Tories.

[@michaeldoolan7595]

They managed to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Was it deliberate, and if so, who was behind it?

[@laurenceseale]

@@michaeldoolan7595 The one Nation Conservatives destroyed their party

[@SimonWallwork]

Precisely.

[@jon-xd7tl]

I start to believe in karma - the Tories thought they could betray their voters indefinitely - but now they are facing oblivion. It seems to prove that you can't fool all of the people all of the time. Of course the country will pay a terrible price. The UK survived the blitz, but it's not clear whether it can survive 5 years of open borders Labour.

[@simanothername3035]

Since Sunak found out that being in charge of a sinking ship is no fun he has been drilling holes in it.

[@mickaparrish]

All lifelong Conservative voters must realize that the conservative party that we voted for and believed in is GONE, If you believe and want a old style conservatism with old style true conservative values we must vote for the new incarnating of OUR conservative party vote REFORM.

[@TheOwlsarewatching606]

totally naive. This is the endgame of the scam that is brexit, designed to destroy democracy

[@brianwillson9567]

Absolutely true. The 'conservative' party is no longer conservative, and middle England is politically homeless...........enter Reform to carry the torch of conserv❤atism.

[@hetrodoxlysonov-wh9oo]

The Tories becoming a woke centre left party is what destroyed them, Reform are the only party we have to vote for.

[@vincentmcnabb939]

This.

[@alanjenkins1508]

Lack of talent is what has destroyed them and incompetent leaders. Reform, being essentially a single issue party, would be hopelessly incompetent at managing the country.

[@oldsouljerry]

BREXIT Destroyed the Tory Party.

[@joysynmonds9082]

I would move to Clacton to have him as my MP. ❤❤❤❤❤

[@albert21able]

I might move to Clacton to live among fellow indigenous people.

[@benlonghurst7777]

As someone who lives just up the road from Clacton, trust me, you do not want to live in Clacton, even with Farage in charge.

[@turquoiseowl]

Tories are now splitting the Reform vote.

[@geometron3646]

Tories should stand down to avoid Labour getting a supermajority!

[@jamieround2784]

As much as I hate to say this farage may have to form a coalition with the tories to take power.Now as much as I hate this idea it’s way better than labour being in power as that would be the straw that broke the camels back

[@Lindsay-t2e]

Not at all. They ar too inner conflicted.

[@kevinadamson5768]

​@@jamieround2784Farage said no deals. 😊

[@1ForTheShieldz]

Only an extremist would vote labour now, mass immigration, high tax might as well move to Russia if that's your goals!

[@italianjob-vx6hp]

Yep vote Reform!!!

[@wobwub8188]

Reform 🇬🇧

[@Mark_Dyer]

When will British Politicans learn (as they ought to have done in 2016!) that the Electorate is not solely concerned with 'economics'? Most Britons love the Country bequeathed to us by our forebears: and we also vote with our hearts. This provides a role for Political Philosophy: yet not one politician addresses this matter. This is astonishing because it is in their philosophies that one might detect clear water between political parties.

[@bobbailey7024]

Farage and Reform love our country. They are getting my vote

[@Gonzdadiana]

Love your comment. I am a Spaniard, living in the UK for over 25 years and I am astonished as to why politicians still base most of their political discourse on the economy. I am an anglophile, will always love the UK and what it represents and thinking very seriously of voting Reform.

[@Mark_Dyer]

@@Gonzdadiana Thank you, Diana. I share your thinking. Somehow, we have to address the three-fold attack on the UK: American Communism, Globalism, and Islam.

[@Chris-gs8kc]

You're expecting the current batch of politicians to have a love for Britain but why should they? They don't have the centuries of family history in Britain. Apparently diversity is our strength, just look at the makeup of parliament, particularly that of the front bench.

[@sarahsteeleuk4196]

❤

[@icer71]

Reform uk for me

[@goharikjones7387]

Reform party all the way !

[@sonofsomerset1695]

Who the hell would vote Labour or tory when we can break the corrupt status quo with Reform!? Let's gooooo !

[@paranoidmarty]

Vote Reform

[@baltasarnoreno5973]

Vote reform. Get Labour government for the next ten years!!!

[@duplicitouskendoll9402]

​@@baltasarnoreno5973Definitely getting at least 5 anyway so if you'll ever do anything different this one's the one lol

[@bobbailey7024]

@@baltasarnoreno5973 We are getting Labour anyway. We must give Labour a proper opposition party - not another Labour Party called the Tories. We have nothing to lose.

[@steve-en7bm]

@@baltasarnoreno5973 And what is the alternative a party which has ruined this country lied and ignored the voter for the past 14? I now hate the Tories more than I do Labour. I will be voting Reform.

[@Uppernorwood976]

@@baltasarnoreno5973a Labour government is inevitable. The question is what’s best to come next.

[@KatharineShaw-z8u]

Labour and the Tories are the same.

[@sarahsteeleuk4196]

Yes. They are both finished ❤

[@freedomfromcocktailjabs]

Britain Vote Reform uk a vote for Britain 🇬🇧

[@TheOwlsarewatching606]

it is actually a vote for putin and Iran

[@tenniskinsella7768]

A vote to help labour

[@tenniskinsella7768]

Ehy os it a vote for putin

[@nothanks3236]

We used to mock the Soviets for having leaders with the awareness and mobility of Joe Biden...

[@Lindsay-t2e]

Har har har

[@IAMBIGLION]

Reform is the only way left.

[@susangemmell9401]

Sadly a lot of people still seem to think that left is the only way. Let's hope they see the light before July 4th. Vote Reform.

[@Reverend-Rodger]

After what Sunak did yesterday, he doesn't need to, they did it to themselves.

[@cliffrightmove1527]

Absolutely brilliant woman a true Brit,thank you 👍👍👍👍

[@1ForTheShieldz]

Labour voter here going to vote reform. Enough of these two parties neither listen! Time for a REAL change.

[@sarahsteeleuk4196]

❤ spread the word 💪👌❤️

[@paulcheney3636]

Me too my mate

[@MarianneOz]

We are not far right - the left moved so far left but we voters stayed still and now we look like we’re right . I say we’re centrists, and our voices ARE the majority. Reform UK 👍

[@SMC01ful]

As an old school George Galloway socialist, I don't see the woke twats as "left" at all.

[@glennwidelko]

Very well said … 🙏🇬🇧

[@sarahsteeleuk4196]

​@@glennwidelkohear hear

[@christianmungo2342]

Vote Reform party 👍🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧

[@andykeating791]

There's 17 million people out there who think they got cheated with brexit.

[@tenniskinsella7768]

They didn't ill neverbe sorry out if the eu.

[@ewansmith5558]

Agree, although it was 33 million, plus the other 34 million who didn’t or couldn’t vote. It was a con from the start.

[@archiebald4717]

​@@ewansmith5558People who did not vote obviously did not care, either way. You can only count the votes that are cast.

[@TheLucanicLord]

@@tenniskinsella7768 Yer wot, Ivan?

[@moonnightbricks3948]

😂

[@RichardEnglander]

I would love to see ReformUK and the Social Democratic party as the two main parties. They agree on so much that I think the majority of the nation agrees upon, so many neglected fundamentals, that they would make progress between them and provide appropriate opposition to always be testing the party in office.

[@goofygrandlouis6296]

The elites' worst nightmare. A united citizenry.

[@Lucerne13]

I don't really understood why the SDP haven't made greater steps forward over the last few years. They have eminently sensible policies. I guess they don't have someone with the charisma of Farage.

[@sarahsteeleuk4196]

Reckon Reform UK and Workers Party would make the best opposition parties in Parliament. British interest first. Want sovereignty. Happy days ❤❤❤

[@tommyrotton9468]

will Reform replace the Tories? Maybe

[@RichardEnglander]

I would love to see ReformUK and the Social Democratic party as the two main parties. They agree on so much that I think the majority of the nation agrees upon, so many neglected fundamentals, that they would make progress between them and provide appropriate opposition to always be testing the party in office.

[@goofygrandlouis6296]

The Tories are woker than Labour. Also more mass immigration under their watch, than under Labour.

[@wavell14]

@@RichardEnglander so you want a new uniparty? We should just have a proper monarchy

[@hosephanerothe1440]

​@@RichardEnglander SDP 🔥👌🏻

[@doford1]

@@RichardEnglander ReformUK are small state minimal tax. Social Democrates are big state, high taxes.

[@sarahlawrence2348]

Hopefully yes, but the people have to take their vote seriously and do the right thing. Do we want change or same old, I truly hope people have the courage to put their cross in the right box and vote foe change and optimism for the future. Vote Reform UK it’s time.

[@diddybopper2052]

Will Nigel Farage destroy the Tories? NO! The Tories have destroyed the Tories.

[@davegillespie3948]

The trouble is there's a complete charisma vacuum in Westminster.....no inspiration or leadership from anyone there.... where are the characters of any substance????

[@shadowjack239]

All I see are 'company managers' when what we need are 'real leaders'.

[@mrror8933]

They're all paralysed by political correctness, except the woke leftie loons.

[@italianjob-vx6hp]

A further 2-point swing from Cons would lose them a further 60 seats. As Europe embraces right-wing governments , the UK is having a left wing one.

[@Akm72]

The Conservatives are a left wing party as currently constituted, which is why they're losing. Labour will benefit but not because anyone wants them to form a majority.

[@sarahsteeleuk4196]

​@@Akm72They don't realise the Working Party have replaced Labour. ❤ and are on the rise. Like Reform are Conservative.

[@Will-thon]

Podcasts like this make me happy I donate per month to Spiked.

[@thegroovetube3247]

Both Tories and Labour have relied on the electoral see-saw for far too long. They've known that no matter how badly they perform when in power, it's only a matter of time until the other side goes down and they come back up again. Hopefully change is finally coming.

[@robfielding100]

The French Army in 1939 said … “We should have stayed in France longer!” The German Army in 1944 said … “We should have stayed in France longer!” The Prime Minister of the U.K. in 2024 said … “We should have stayed in France longer!”

[@scolexuk]

When a system offers the two worst presidents in history as the only choices in an election, it has lost all legitimacy.

[@andrewsarchus6036]

Step away from the hallucinogens.

[@RetroCrazyUK]

great trio, great conversation, thankyou

[@carltaylor6452]

I used to be on board with Spiked about a liberal, legal immigration system, but no longer: the consequences for our economy, public services, housing, culture and security far outweigh any benefits.

[@xgtwb6473]

Millions need to be deported. Especially with AI we dont need them here its pointless theres no logical argument to it

[@phyllislovelace8151]

Thank you one and all

[@LJScott1974]

Thanks for another great show. It’s very much appreciated.

[@stevenneill6605]

another great pocast. thanks

[@spidert1926]

They don’t need any help, they’re doing quite well destroying the party themselves.

[@das5842]

Why would you expect the politicians to address the issue of Islamic attacks, when they have failed to address every other pressing issue that is plaguing the UK (including immigration, unemployment, social welfare, inflation, etc)?

[@gideonhorwitz9434]

All you need is one reform mp through the door once that barrier is broken more will follow

[@clivewalford3148]

They have destroyed themselves Nigel has just put the nail in the coffin!!

[@Lewisevans1618]

Larry the cat was always the best candidate for conservative leader.

[@mrw2941]

Hopefully, but they have themselves to blame, Farage is just hammer the last nail in their coffin

[@jean-pascalheynemand3271]

I will vote Reform, as both wings of the uni party no longer offer representative governance.

[@markkavanagh7377]

If Kemi Badenoch joined Reform, now that would be interesting!

[@DavidAspinall-q6v]

The Cons have destroyed themselves

[@theadventuresofred19]

Silly question when Labour votes will move over too!

[@jeffsmith3392]

We need more immigration? 9M economically inactive!

[@garywilson6047]

Cometh the hour, Cometh the man. Vote reform.

[@pat23668952]

The momentem is with Reform, they have the energy and policies to carry it all the way.

[@JosephStealin]

29:44 the right reaction to mass immigration is the correct one. Ethnic heritage matters and those societies that have ethically similar or are the same do much better. Most crime in this country is now committed disproportionately by migrant or those who are from recent immigrant stock I.e. have come in the last 50 to 60 years.

[@carltaylor6452]

Starmer isn't going to criticise Sunak over migration levels: he plans to increase it. 😠

[@clivewalford3148]

Unfortunately we now have 5 years of Labour !!

[@michaelellis7326]

I hope NOT !!

[@brianlopez8855]

Slandering Andrew Bridgen again Fraser ?

[@barekicks]

It's so tiresome isn't it

[@jazzyjazzyjazzy]

Reform 💪

[@macfaichen2658]

Let’s be honest they have not been a real Tory party for years…. Money in my pocket party has been there motto.

[@bevkaveri3916]

Don't vote labour!

[@sarahsteeleuk4196]

Vote Reform or Workers Party. In election annihilation July 2024 ❤

[@SimonWallwork]

As a Tory myself, I jolly well hope so!

[@jcem1564]

This lady needs educating about the 2020 election. DT was up by 600,000 votes in Pennsylvania when the polls closed. There was 1.8 million postal votes to be counted, he needed just 40 % of them to win, he lost by 82,000 votes. Michigan DT was up by 300,000 votes when the polls closed awaiting the postal votes, he lost by 155,000. Georgia DT was up by 100,000 votes when the polls closed , he lost by 12,000 after the postal votes. Wisconsin DT was up by 117,000 votes when the polls closed, he lost by 21,000. Dt got 12% of the African Americans votes, yet these postal votes all broke 70, 80 , 90 % for Biden. Did the Federal election commission do analytics on the postal votes ?? NO. So for her to say it’s outrageous for DT to say he had the election stolen is unkind at best. She is clearly uneducated on what happened but still happy to comment.

[@harambae7014]

Winning a massive landslide majority is when a party's policies, competence and effectiveness as a government are really put to the test. The Tories have failed that test spectacularly, and we're about to see Labour do the same. These two parties have taken British votes for granted for far too long. It's time to reset the entire landscape.

[@freedomfromcocktailjabs]

Filled the bin @ daughters tory leaflets 😂

[@EdMcF1]

Mr Farage hasn't done anything to the Tories, they have done it all to themselves.

[@steve-en7bm]

The Tories demise started the day they stabbed Mrs Thatcher in the back.

[@gusmlie]

Here’s hoping, net zero seats. 5 years then Labour can have net zero seats.

[@treescape]

Makes me laugh they keep shouting farage down everywhere he goes. But he says what it is, it's how people feel and want. It's certainly how I feel.

[@TheLucanicLord]

The Spectator, but for people who didn't go to the right schools.

[@DUPLICATED2]

Not only the Tories he will go for Labour seats very soon

[@Slumbert]

Q from dane. Will Reform get some money from state with no seats? They do here in Denmark.

[@secretarchitect288]

No. The state doesn't fund political parties in the UK. I'd be in favour of state funding if it was 50p per vote cast per year to the exclusion of political donations which 'buys' parties and is to the detriment of the national interest.

[@Norfolkandchance886]

I hope so someone needs to. How about a left wing party that actually represents the Labourers instead of landbrook grove

[@barekicks]

Inaya was spot on in a lot of her comments. I too worry about the absolutist stance on immigration that is taking hold in challenger parties. I completely understand the desperation leading to this binary approach but the fact is that migration is not a binary issue. There are dozens of visa categories and legal paths to permanent residence and/or citizenship. To reform the system every single category needs to be reviewed and changes need to be phased in -- you cannot apply changes to immigration law overnight. Meanwhile the issue of illegal channel crossings and subsequent spikes in asylum claims is a whole other issue. Without pulling out of the ECHR and even the Geneva Convention, it becomes difficult to dismantle the NGO and legal machinery sustaining (or one could also say exploiting) the phenomenon. These challenger parties throw around slogans like "net zero immigration" or "a moratorium on immigration" without explaining how the hell it would be implemented. Yet they don't have to explain it since they won't implement it, in which case all these slogans achieve is to agitate a disaffected population. We need proper debate to get proper solutions.

[@o00nemesis00o]

The other European countries just ignore the ECHR.

[@1ForTheShieldz]

Why are they trying to pin Conservative and reform together, people are leaving Labour to go to reform, the red wall wants change, we gave our vote for brexit and told we are dumb right wing. Labour wants migration but the members dont. Time to leave Labour and Conservative and get the change we need.

[@JamesJohannes-l6w]

Since when did she know anything about seaside towns. Just spouting the usual lines.

[@pincermovement72]

Clacton is a destination of white flight from London , not surprising this link wasn’t recorded.

[@hosephanerothe1440]

That debate was awful, even if starmer or sunak had something to say, 45 seconds isnt enough time to say it

[@MattWhite-vh6xh]

Agreed. I wouldn't even call it a debate. With that format it was never going to be anything but a soundbite contest.

[@Uppernorwood976]

Did I hear that right? There used to be a party in Canada called “The Progressive Conservative” Party? Lol. Lmao. ROFL.

[@paulclive3626]

Voting reform & tbh i dont see many online saying theyre off for the wef uni party

[@Stevie-L-n8g]

Good!

[@paulwilson7622]

2 obvious identicals of Lambe & Starmer is that they are Lawyers. Now, most would agree that they all seem to have rhe knack of lying and somehow able to justify the lie(s). Add that base to the known lies that politicians always vomit out..!

[@joe.c9308]

The debate was boring as the MSM would hammer anything that was outside a narrow consensus. It’s a sad indictment of journalism not our country

[@grrinc]

I hope so!!

[@alfredhockley4823]

A Tory Wipeout and a labour one would be nice a great for the country vote reform ps Boris the liar

[@Mark_Dyer]

Might 'REFORM' simply be the Establishment's lifeboat?

[@goofygrandlouis6296]

Nope, the uni-party is.

[@bobbailey7024]

No. Reform is the torpedo.

[@Mark_Dyer]

@@goofygrandlouis6296 Perhaps!

[@Mark_Dyer]

@@bobbailey7024 I do hope so, Bob!

[@goofygrandlouis6296]

​@@Mark_Dyer According to the BBC (who hates his butt), quote : "All of them suggest that support for Reform has increased - and [...] have them on 17%"

[@EdMcF1]

7:36 The perception of either Mr Blair or Sir Keir Starmer being 'centrist' Labour leaders is wholly unfounded. I am not sure if the speaker is reporting a perception or maintaining that is the situation. Both Blair and Starmer are very much of the hard Left.

[@MinskUK]

Labour won’t win because swing tories vote for them, Labour will win because tories won’t vote at all. Neither of the main parties offer anything the public wants. If Labour win, we will have smugness and blame for their entire term. If we vote the Tories back in, we will have the smugness that the electorate believe they’re a ‘safe pair of hands’. They are not. We should vote reform in every area where a candidate is fielded simply to at least try for an outcome that addresses our society first.

[@d-jbradford1451]

Why am I paying youtube to be ad free and then having to listen to you selling express vpn in the middle of a debate?

[@vatsmith8759]

Like every other party Reform has some good policies and some bonkers ones. There really don't seem to be any sensible parties but I suppose at least Reform hasn't (yet) betrayed its voters.

[@PaulDickson-yi2vw]

What happend to the ginger bird ?

[@Newsopathy-gf2ug]

You need to flick to the half-way point of this video to get to the conversation regarding the more current stuff, and even then they hark back sometimes.

[@michaelleak3369]

He will be pm soon vote reform

[@FunPicard]

Yeah, the broken promises on migration have indeed fuelled more extreme responses because it's at this point needed. I recently voted in my country, and I didn't vote for anybody who was looking to reform or better manage migration - I went with anti-migration. Whatever the long-term solution may be, for now we need a moratorium on non-EU migration, including asylum claims. Fiddling with existing processes, promising to finally begin deporting failed applicants, or trying to slow the inwards flow is not going to work.

[@liquidusblue]

Vote reform. I'm a disillusioned conservative voter. There was a spark in Boris but he turned into a simp after he got the cough. Play the long game.

[@Bpt8825]

Nigel definitely looked hands down best. The rest looked hopeless and we’re saying a lot without saying anything. The Greens and SNP in particular are living on a different planet. Thought the it wasn’t one of the more biased debates the bbc tried other ways of getting their message across e.g. 5 left wing parties and whenever Nigel spoke the camera zoomed into the same goon shaking his head when all around wasn’t. Didn’t happen for anyone else. Their should be a debate where each potential cabinet member renters the platform when a certain question is asked eg. Defence secretary steps up when defence question is given

[@BrassToff]

Come on mate, you didn't even know what an arboretum was a few weeks ago, so clearly you hadn't heard of the National Arboretum. It's only been around for more than 20 years. Labour trying to pretend that they love the flag and the country. It's ok, you don't have to like the country or know anything about historical events but don't try kidding everybody that it matters to you or your party.

[@paulcheney3636]

Labour we'll eat itself as usual. I remember the 1980s Militant fight. Labour will need the muslim vote as well as lgptqrdfjrj whatever it is this week. If Labour get in so many of their voters are diametrically opposed to each other

[@messi8921]

The conservatives havnt been conservative since Dave the Aston Ham fan Cameron took over as leader. The people want to shift to the right but the MPs couldn’t think of anything worse.

[@breaghboo-gc7ub]

*run* not *ran*

[@johnreid9959]

Same as saying farage saying that it was a inside job then getting milkshakes and Nick griffin saying a black person killed Stephen Lawrence can Om saying it looked like he did it to himself as for who did it She wasn’t enily hewsteson but griffin faced arrest so those saying they did if in themselves should race arrest

[@hosephanerothe1440]

Are you high ?