Spin Awareness Training

[@pawbiter]

Best explanation/demo ever. I'm a vfr pilot and thankful that after my checkride I took spin and upset recovery training with an aerobatic instructor. It helped me save my life one night. Lost control of aircraft in IMC, recovered at 400 ft AGL. At night. This training is vital. I urge all pilots to take it, Thanks for posting this video.

[@bernardc2553]

To this day..I'm still dumbfounded FAA dumped spin training on PVT. Back in my day..as many as- pwr on-off stalls

[@stationmanager9325]

Very good pieces. Thanks for posting.

[@wufongtanwufong5579]

That control tower guy deserves a medal. His quick thinking abd level gead saved that pilots life

[@brian6779]

In Canada, we have a mandatory spin training before getting released to our first solo. In my opinion, it is good to learn how to get out of it and recognize.

[@etnies777]

Brian Cheung is it for all schools?

[@ccubsfan94]

The faa used to, but found there were more accidents during the training flights then there was without the training.

[@Muppet-Puncher]

Spins under the hood, no. Spiral dive recovery, yes. Here in Canada, it is required to teach incipient spin recovery, but it is no longer a flight test item. However, a flight test item is a 10 degree banked stall...which develops into incipient spin upon stall but you don't let the wing continue to drop. This is an excellent way to teach spin prevention on top of the other PPL items.

[@chagachalishkan]

not making the whole one roll...just entering and how to recover from spin...cuz spin is the After Solo training..

[@alexs3187]

I did my spin training in an Extra 300. Loved it. Definitely worth doing. Plus it’s fun to try some inverted flight.

[@gilesschoefield6423]

Thanks Matt Damon!

[@ps3songs]

In canada we do introduction to spin in the PPL and it's part of the CPL flight exam.

[@tn_randomgrl]

Not sure how i ended up here... but this is very valuable information eventhough I'm not going flying W friends on a regular basis anymore! Thank you for posting!

[@Strato6049]

I am at peace knowing the spinning screaming pilot got a chance to live another day. Props to the ATC who may have saved his life with his advice

[@tripaven]

Thank you for posting this video. It is great to see a demonstration of what I have only read in my manual. I am definitely going to sign up for spin training once I achieve my private license.

[@1MSF2SSA3AOPA]

After reading through the comments I'd like to add a couple of points about spin training. I've both soared and flown, in that order, and was at quite a loss to understand power plane pilots' near universal fear of spinning at first. Soaring requires a great deal of time in hard banks to stay inside small thermals, stalls occur frequently, spins are inevitable, and we learn to hear and feel the slight changes at the beginning and correct reflexively and instantly to such an extent that it was nearly impossible for me to allow the Cessna to develop a full stall before recovering when I undertook learning flight. (My instructor finally told me not to try recovering until the stall horn sounded. I was astounded at the length of time it took from when my reflexes activated to when he was telling me power plane students finally understood the plane was stalling.) We sometimes spin deliberately, just for fun, in the sailplane; the spin is not frightening, confusing, or in the least difficult to recover from to us and we have no typical 8 second lag time to process what is happening and begin to react when it happens in a thermal (ie without us deliberately falling off a wing to spin for the joy of it). All pilots should go through real spin training -not just awareness but full spins, because the experience is nothing like approaching it and the "8 second freeze" can be deadly near the ground. But...and it's a big caveat...that training should not be taking place in power craft. A few spins in a sailplane will remove the fear, replace it with confidence and familiarity, and lessen or eliminate that 8 second lag. Followup practice in a GA craft would be ideal. Alternate training in an aerobatic powered craft would be fine, but to my knowledge is still more expensive than doing the same in a sailplane.

[@greatlakesgliding7901]

Windrider, could not agree more. I too started in Sailplanes (am currently an instructor and safety officer) before getting into powered flight. We (in Canada) do spring flight checks that includes spins, development, recognition, prevention and recovery... and yes, they are LOTS OF FUN! On a semi related note, I am going to add to Windrider's recommendation to do some soaring to also remove the fear of an engine failure. All airplanes can glide and are fully controllable in an engine out situation. Only really question is what are your landing options? Come on out and discover the wonderful world of silent flight.

[@rileyjackfansmithandjones8238]

The Drag between actual flight, and Deliberate Stall is REAL.....and really seperates the Pilot from the pupil.Thanks for your input.....it's how I Fly and try to pass along...it's Subtle but Crucial.....as you fly more complex Acft,while struggling with flight management, it's the first thing that can trip you up....given weather, Acft characteristic and wind vs. Airfield orientation

[@JimForeman]

I don't think I ever soloed any student who had not demonstrated both entry and recovery from spins. I once talked an FAA flight examiner into an inverted spin in a Schweizer 2-32 glider during a high performance glider checkout and a CFI renewal ride. Jimforeman

[@michaelquillen2679]

My instructor was a fanatic about stalls and resulting spins and the critical times that they may occur. It cost me a few more $$$ in my training time, but I don't regret it.

[@jakejones5736]

My spin training was INCLUDED because it was mandatory to pass the check ride.

[@gustavogonzalez4445]

Could you explain more about Inertia Forces, please? Thankyou and great job!

[@mrcasehatter9580]

Been there done that and easier said than done my friend but remain calm is the most important of all rules,and fly the dang plane..!!

[@Fa7733]

it looks frightening. If I'm at 3000 ft will i have ample time to recover?

[@mrcasehatter9580]

Faiz Fadil That would depend on if you done all things right ,and what plane you were in..I'd rather be at 4angles for the first time, unless I had someone with me training me on the plane that they have done it in many times before..!

[@xcaliber137]

Faiz Fadil The recovery for a 1-turn spin takes anywhere from 600 feet to 1,000 feet in a Decathlon or Cessna 172. A 3-turn spin takes about 1,500 feet. Best to keep it high during training. In aerobatic contests, a pilot might enter a spin at 3,000 feet, but recovers by 1,500 AGL. For training, I like starting about 5,000 AGL.

[@Treetop64]

Inadvertently entering a spin in IMC? Can't think of a scarier situation to be in.

[@mrdivit1]

The first time my instructor put me in a spin I grabbed the sky hook, it took awhile, but now it’s engrained

[@lesbrown7009]

Spinning and spiral dives are a simply demonstrated part of getting a licence in my country. Seriously? Lesson 3 or 4 around here. Stall plane and kick either foot forward and hold controls. When you want out... Push the other foot forward and when turning stops, relax your elevator to flat or maybe down a bit. You are diving. Watch your airspeed and gently recover from dive with power off. RECOVER. EASY.

[@stationmanager9325]

i don't go along with the word KICK in aviation flying language.You never kick an aeroplane at all, regardless weather in the air or on the ground.Old timer CPL.

[@CollierTechnologies]

I have come to believe that all pilots should undergo spin training from a good instructor. I've always been afraid of stalls but spin training definitely gets you over them and builds confidence in addition to an awareness of the importance of coordinating your flight and monitoring thy airspeed. If done properly they are a 1G maneuver and the scariest part is the initial entry on the first spin. After that they are a piece of cake.

[@in2flying]

Ok dumb question as I haven't entered any spins or my prevention with my training yet. Is it hard to recognize which way your spinning during the spin so you can apply opposite rudder? What happens if you apply rudder to the same side your spinning vs the opposite? Thanks!

[@xcaliber137]

The directionality of the spin can be difficult to determine, but there are some fool-proof methods. Number 1: Look straight off the nose. The ground will move towards a shoulder, push the rudder on the same side the ground is moving towards. This will go against the yaw of the spin which is critically important. Accomplishing this works in upright and inverted spins. The recovery will not be complete until you reduce the angle of attack with proper elevator control. If in IMC, you could use a turn and slip indicator, but under no circumstances should the inclinometer, or ball, be trusted. Using a PFD can present certain challenges if the accelerometers are out accelerated. If the PFD fails, the heavy rudder is the one you need. If you push the incorrect rudder, the spin will continue. If you push the correct rudder, you must complete the spin recovery and reduce angle of attack.

[@in2flying]

Michael Lents Thank you. I'm only 3 lessons in and plan on taking advanced spin training with Bill Finegan down the road. I'm surprised more pilots dont but who am I to judge!

[@AlexGreyhead]

Hi William, in the Cessna 152 I was taught to look at the turn coordinator as it will show the direction of spin. So, if the turn coordinator's needle or "aircraft" outline is leaning left, apply right rudder; If it's a right turn, use left rudder. I think you can safely apply this technique to any aircraft since this instrument works on the same physics principles no matter what aircraft it's in - but do check with an instructor just to be sure :)

[@CGoody564]

The problem isn't necessarily recognizing the direction of the spin on it's own; the problem is recognizing the direction of the spin while the aircraft is also rolling and/or pitching wildly. Think about it;. If you were flying a straight path, and your plane started magically yawing all the way around while keeping the same flight path, it would be pretty easy to tell which direction the spin is. If you have your bearings, it's pretty self explanatory. However, if you are in a spin, chances are you don't have your bearings and you are having trouble coordinating with your plane and figuring out the ever changing orientation of the plane in the worst case. This is why screaming "oh God help me help help help" in ATC's ear is probably not the best course of action... The best course of action is to train for the scenario, and train to recognize what instruments you need to focus on to ascertain your situation, and from there how to hopefully correct the problem. A cooler head wont always prevail necessarily, but it will always be more successful than going in to panic mode.

[@CGoody564]

Will oh, and applying rudder in the direction the spin will only accelerate the spin, making it harder to recover.

[@Gravitytent]

I'm trying to recreate in x-plane but I can't initiate the spin, it stalls the wing drops it turns bout a quarter then recovers, How to do this?

[@CGoody564]

After the stall/wing drop, you could try holding the ailerons the opposite way to try to bring the wing back up... That should further initiate the spin. Then again, I never used x-plane. I just speaking generally here.

[@louist103]

It doesn’t really work in x plane. I had trouble getting stalls in general to work.

[@elizabethlawson245]

Great contoller. Saved the pilots life.

[@swarajsandhu]

Did my pilot training in South Africa and we were trained to enter and recover from Full spins but South African civil aviation Authority banned full spin training month after that because some instructor and student from some other school both died during the spin training.. they couldn't recover in time..

[@berndfloitgraf595]

Not a good decision. I think something else has gone wrong.Maybe the CFI failed to to prevent the student pilot pulling the yoke.... ( But of course only guessing)

[@elizabethlawson245]

Best spinnimg vid out there.!! Matt Damon.

[@CAROLUSPRIMA]

Pardon the elementary question, but when he says to push the stick forward, what does that stick control? The elevator? Thanks.

[@endwood]

+CAROLVS By pushing the stick forward you are reducing the Angle of Attack therefore un-stalling the wing. Most A/C given enough height & letting all the controls go back to neutral will recover themselves enough for the pilot to regain control. And yes the stick movement fore & aft does directly control the pitch of the plane via the elevator:-)

[@CAROLUSPRIMA]

endwood Got it. Makes sense. Much obliged.

[@CGoody564]

Yes. Stick forward and back is elevator control.

[@pilotactor777]

Excellent training vid.

[@robinmyman]

Not allowed in a PA38 in UK…per aircraft placard. That said, students are instructed on how to recover…provided one is high enough.

[@pilotactor777]

Excellent material.

[@djpacro]

For the C172 at 11:47 the POH states throttle idle, aileron neutral, apply and hold full rudder opposite to the direction of rotation, just after the rudder reaches the stop, move the control wheel briskly forward far enough to break the stall.....Hold these control inputs until rotation stops.... As rotation stops, neutralize the rudder and make a smooth recovery from the resulting dive. But the narrator instead says: “power reduced to idle, ailerons should be neutral, rudder should be applied opposite the direction of rotation and, once the rotation has stopped, the elevator should be forward as required to break the stall.” i.e. the POH states control wheel forward to stop the spin not wait until after the spin stops. Gee, the C172 POH has the important text in uppercase so why state something completely different and wrong! Similar issue with the |Warrior at 10:54 where the narrator says “you must stop the rotation of the spin through opposite rudder application ..... then reduce angle of attack by applying full forward pressure on the control wheel….” whereas the POH states full opposite rudder, control wheel full forward ... and rudder neutral (when rotation stops) ...

[@KB4QAA]

David Pilkington Keep in mind there are multiple models of both aircraft and wording has no doubt changed over the years.

[@formfaktor]

Well produced. Thanks!

[@GreaterThanADeer]

you should ask an instructor to demonstrate spin entry. it really helped me build my confidence

[@maxbootstrap7397]

I totally understand the reason to push the stick or yoke forward after stopping rotation with rudders *in a flat spin* (where the nose isn't much below horizontal). But the spins shown in this video are with the nose pointing almost straight down! Which makes me wonder how on earth the pilot will need more speed after he stops rotation with the rudders. Hell, from what it looks like, the danger of exceeding Vne looks greater than the danger of still being below stall speed. What's the real dope on this?

[@jhyland87]

That recording was terrifying. Talk about losing your cool under the pressure... Not that I can say I'm confident I would have been able to.

[@stationmanager9325]

Many years ago I was asked to demonstrate spinning in a PA28 for my commercial pilots licence. Spinning doesn't worry me, as I did plenty of it in my PPL in a DH82A Tiger Moth and AUSTER j5F. C172 and PA24 Cherokee. In to-days aviation world there are a new group of nweby pilots turning up on the airfiled, who haven't been throught the spinning theory and practical flying. In Europe its different and especially Australia. The message is clear CPL and private pilots need to educate themselves about spinning and it's habits. It's not going to go away. I would rather fly an aircraft cleared for spinning not one without that capibility. Flat spinning needs to be taught which involves very accurate CG knowledge and control technique.

[@samsungmenu1942]

airforceproud was that your student?

[@haykodjan]

Dcs and xplane are greate tools to practise spins and stalls

[@pilotactor777]

Jason Bourne finally got his memory back.

[@JimForeman]

Size or weight makes no difference, as long as you have sufficient control authority to stall the wing and induce a skid, any fixed wing airplane will spin. Jim

[@sinbacsi]

in JAA, you have to have theoretical and practical spin training before they let you on ur first solo...

[@adrianm6901]

Excellent presentation ..... !!!!

[@MichaelPareda]

Good video, thanks, and sub

[@Also_Ran]

Before I watched this video, my Step 4 was "Pray"

[@Louislibessart62]

i really do Love your airplane !

[@alqumran5379]

Interesting piece of aviation knowledge BUT, I notice that there are so many pilots and instructors out there talking about spinning and showing demonstration. But there are TWO parts to spinning. Entering into a spin BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! recovering is the big issue. I point to high speed stalling. Time and time again I run into pilots who don't understand the complexity of high speed stall recovery.

[@No1Stinger]

Can you imagine if he'd had passengers.

[@ronjohnson9507]

Can you imagine the stench after he shit his pants

[@EricBeach]

Good Video - thanks for sharing

[@Moss235]

If you want to become an airline pilot though, you wouldn't put a modern airliner into a spin surely, not everyone wants to be a stunt/test pilot

[@alisarisari1]

how come he doesn't know how to recover from a spin?

[@GZA036]

Power off Ailerons neutral Rudder opposite EJECT

[@christiancanlas2315]

EJECTO seat cuzzzz

[@r1m162]

Well done playing the mayday call, that was brilliant, really. You totally got my full attention there and instantly made me want to keep watching your video...for about 10 seconds when I caught myself still hearing that dude’s death scream. Then I lost interest in your presentation.

[@OPoweredTV]

He got disoriented in the IMC and entered a spin.

[@rossleed]

Thanks

[@joem5110]

All pilots should learn PARE.

[@FlyRider]

#SIUCwashere

[@Moss235]

My point exactly

[@deltafan909]

I'm so glad we do spin training at my flight school. Check out my video I have of one.

[@DaryxFox]

"Simulations provided by X-Plane.com"... suck on that, Microsoft!

[@codzomz]

ummmmm that initial crazy radio traffic had nothing to do with spin awareness, that was a recording of a VFR caught in IMC... why would you be rolling in a spin? simple, you dont...

[@1MSF2SSA3AOPA]

But you do indeed "turn" and in panic may call it rolling, or in disorientation believe you are barrel rolling.

[@emiliano_00101]

1V1 cod

[@bradleymilne9652]

Great presentation! terrible music...

[@billr2220]

This is Shameful. Student pilot freaking out in a spin. He should be banned from flying again. Recovering from a spin not that difficult. Instructors train you. A real pilot will remain cool and calm pull out of the spin.