Spiral bevel gear on universal milling machine

spiral bevel gear on universal milling machine

[@user-ry8uf2ie4i]

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[@rawanahmed8048]

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[@Motor-City-Mike]

This is how Milling cutters, and Gears were made before there Were CNCs. I learned this way first, then went on to 3D programming and CNC machines.

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

Good day Mike Surely you are right ,also CNCs Machine do the spiral by 2ways one with Endmill tool &The other with round several tiped Carbid inserts tool like the old method Thanks for your inspiring comment

[@geothermopudge8475]

No they used Shay,Gleason, Hercules and Hugo bevel, miter, spiral and hypoid gear cutting machines. None of these where CNC and they go back as far as 1904. People Tried to cut gears like this with very little success.

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

@@geothermopudge8475 sure you are right hipoid machines It's a breakthrough Also what you see here is a success as it is an old method befor Gleason's

[@Motor-City-Mike]

@geothermopudge8475 Well, don't tell the spiiral and hypoid gear sets we made, because some are still in service 35 years after I produced them. These parts came from intelligent, skilled, and educated machinists on swivel bed horizontal mills. Feel free to reference the machinists handbook under gearing for dividing heads. You see, I know what I did, and how it was done - it's not my fault you're ignorant to those manufacturing processes.

[@Motor-City-Mike]

@@ahmeddrdeer1399 It is an old method, and that's exactly the point - we produced details like this long before CNC machine tools were part of the industry. These details came from knowledgeable, learned machinists.

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[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

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[@HuFlungDung2]

It looks like a gear, but is it correct? Can you make a pinion to fit? How would you check it or define it to fit a specification?

[@stretchhfab7315]

It's called math.... math doesn't lie.

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

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[@HuFlungDung2]

@@stretchhfab7315 Listen, bright boy, math doesn't come out on the shop floor and set up your machine for you. It doesn't check the cut depth, it doesn't define the profile that your cutter is actually producing.

[@HuFlungDung2]

@@ahmeddrdeer1399 Interesting. It's still a mystery to me how you get from the CAD model to generating the profile with a standard involute cutter. Good work!

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

@@HuFlungDung2 hello friend I can do that by math and also by experience that's tow way but there is something I wan tell you Science is the result of the experiences of researchers, and every development does not come except after the success of the intended mission, and success does not come except by the occurrence of mistakes until the benefit is complete and we learn from the mistakes, which leads us to success and then development. They were shaping the teeth of the gears with a saw and a file. It is possible to make a balloon fly, but with arithmetic you can Direct it to where you want, and it is possible to make it return to you again. These gears have many methods of manufacturing, and they have old methods and new methods.

[@mohammedirfan9897]

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[@user-sj1gy3pl1b]

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[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

Choose a good milling cutter usually No: 8 and it has to be thin than the tooth way (I always grind the both side of the cutter to be thin than the female tooth) *Then put the cutter in the center of the gearblank by the easy way you can and don,t forget the cutter position on the naine spindle cause you are going to swivel the x table to the right or to the left acording to the gear * Swivel the x table to almost 30 degree * tight the table * start the machine * get a small depth about 1mm * look to the tooth way * Move to another tooth * and so on * enjoy adjusting and have 😊

[@hellboytermoligian2600]

(Ci sono frese in commercio dedicate con spessori più piccoli per fare questo lavoro ?)

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

Se sei in Italia hai un ottimo mercato altrimenti puoi macinarlo da solo a mani nude

[@hellboytermoligian2600]

@@ahmeddrdeer1399 Ok provo a controllare. Grazie

[@jackvorobey3988]

Привет! Очень и очень здорово придумано! Не подскажете, как расчитать шестерни гитары в зависимости от шага винта и угла наклона линии зубьев конической шестерни?

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

Hello jack this method is an old one it depend's on experience to find the gears wich will make the pitch.so you couldn't develop it to a high level also it is clear and effective without calculations l could invent a formula for it but that will be in how to determine the gear ratio to find the defrntial gears only .l am so sorry for speaking too much but here we go together . If you want a full formula and a high qualification gear manufacturing go and get your self an extensive gear making machine if you want to make a simple spiral bevel gear on a regulare milling machine let's talke simpler

[@jackvorobey3988]

​@@ahmeddrdeer1399спасибо за ответ! Я тоже занимаюсь изготовлением шестерен, только обычных цилиндрических. И очень хочу научиться делать конические как у вас на видео. Правильно ли я понял, что формулы настройки не существует? Настройка производится опытным путем исходя из образца конической шестерни? Возможно ли нарезать таким способом коническую шестерню с малым числом зубьев, у которой форма приближается к цилиндру (большая коническая шестерня более плоская, чем маленькая)?

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

@@jackvorobey3988Hello jack Sure you are right there is a sample the customers brought it to make a new spiral gear I get the lead from the sample also choosing the milling cutter it's a renewing the gearbox

[@jackvorobey3988]

​@@ahmeddrdeer1399Спасибо большое! Теперь я все понял!

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

@@jackvorobey3988 i ll make a video to explain how to make a spiral bevel gear

[@stovepipe666]

Nice work on that gear what make of mill is it

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

Italian mill

[@amgadabdallah6153]

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[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

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[@lmeza1983]

I can't imagine trying to setup that for the first time everything can go wrong.

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

Hello, Good day yes sure you are right you have to do several steps to go on the right way otherwise every thing could be go wrong

[@AbdoWiwi-nu2wt]

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[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

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[@waledmohamed2780]

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[@ravinduashan5103]

Hello Good Day Im a student from Sri lanka. Can You please explain this method 😊

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

Hello you are welcome to explain I have to prepare a video by the god willing

[@dmitriyd1042]

Зачет

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

Yes evry thing has to be tested before going

[@mrayco]

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[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

حبيبى يا باشمهندس محمد طمنى عليك اخبارك ايه واحشنى صوتك وكلامك.ازيك اسأل الله لك أن تكون واسرتك الكريمة فى اتم صحة وأسعد حال السكينة مقصودة والهدف منها أن التروس الحلزونية وانت راجع السكينة بتخبط فى جنب من أجانب السنه بسبب البوش(backlash) فبنشيل سنتين من السكينة ونبطل الدوارة ونضبط على وضع مافيها ش اسنان ونرجع بالترس علشان ننقل على سنه جديدة ف ماتخبطش والطبيعى أننا ننزل بالمحور (z )فى كل سنه عدد من الملفات علشان نتفادى التخبيط بس لما يكون عندك كذا ترس وبتشتغل فيه على مرحلتين بيبقى النزول والصعود بالمحور عمليه شاقة مع عدد الاسنان مضروب فى مرتين تفتيح وكمان بنفضل أن المحاور تكون مربوطة كويس علشان الاهتزازات

[@user-wl1cp7xy2b]

How do you turn a round stock into an oval on a lathe? (real Question.)

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

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[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

I hope that answer your q.

[@hellboytermoligian2600]

Ciao, l'ingranaggio in costruzione è inclinato in modo che il lato sia perpendicolare alla fresa? Grazie

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

Hello nessun ingranaggio conico deve essere regolato in base al grado che modella l'impatto del dente. ad esempio la profondità davanti è 8 mm e la profondità dietro è 12 mm, ciò è possibile regolando il grado di rotazione del divisore

[@hellboytermoligian2600]

@@ahmeddrdeer1399 Quindi, l'inclinazione del divisore è dato dall'angolo del fondo del dente ? (GRAZIE)

[@karthi465]

Hello sir ,for 35 degree spiral how much angle should keep in x axis sir

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

@@karthi465 Hello friend the angel dpend on the form of the way of the cutter and 35 degree is the high limite

[@karthi465]

Can you send me your WhatsApp number sir I will send my spiral gear image

[@karthi465]

20teeth 3module 76od sir 328mm lead

[@karthi465]

Can u help me sir

[@user-ph6ym4uo4r]

Катю вспомнил...

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

кто такая Катя

[@seimela]

If you can explain this to me I will program it on the CNC

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

Good day for you You cant program this method on cnc machine Its only for universal milling processing.cause its a gear cutter and this cutter has to be limited diameter to finsh the curve of the tooth correctly. You can program this type of gears on cnc with endmill toll cutter also good drawing and cadcam will do the rest

[@housenfakhoury5541]

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[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

الطريقة المستخدمة طريقة قديمة طريقة الأجداد بنشاور على السنه بشوكة علام ونغير التروس لحين ما نحصل على الخطوة الحلزونية والطريقة الحسابية هى نفسها طريقة الترس الحلزونى العادى سواء ترس البنيون أو الترس التاجى الكبير ولكن هناك أمر مهم الطريقة الحسابية لا تصلح إلا إذا كنت حتصنع الترسين أما إذا كنت حتصنع ترس واحد اى منهما بغرض صيانة جيربوكس كمثال يبقى لازم تستخدم طريقة شوكة العلام

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

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[@geothermopudge8475]

Not possible with any level of precision

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

Good day Its the old way to do a spiral gear on the universal milling and you knew the new way

[@union310]

Well it was good enough for fighter planes in WW2!

[@stretchhfab7315]

It's called math..... math doesn't lie. They were cutting helix type gears way before there was even electricity.

[@geothermopudge8475]

@@stretchhfab7315 genius came up with a great idea. Let’s see if we can incorporate mathematics into manufacturing. How did we do it.

[@geothermopudge8475]

@@stretchhfab7315 standing in front of your punch press today try not to lose another finger

[@yuriy82-69]

To have correct tooth profile there should be 2-axis movements, not only the blank should rotate, but the cutter's axis should move like roll alongside blank movement. Like in this example kzbin.info/www/bejne/b6aaiJiadtGhpac Otherwise you'll have to reduce teeth width too much thus seriously affecting it's mech strength. Can you make short video to demonstrate how those pairs mesh? What does the contact pattern look like, on something colourful and soft like toothbrush paste or other means of contact indicators?

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

Surely here we have a correct tooth profile and there is a 2 axis movement the blank rotate and the x axis moves also as long as the tooth and may be i could have a little bit of your time, you can read the comments i answered a lot of questions kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZpnQiZqOap6gY5osi=FH9EYlD_Hi4wJ-Pu That machine in the link i don't have one but ican do such a lapping on the lathe I said before that method is the oldest one it's not a cnc machine there are several methods even in cnc I hope to have a Gleason spiral gear cutting machine

[@nabilrkiza9488]

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[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

اهلا نبيل اى حساب تقصد؟

[@nabilrkiza9488]

@@ahmeddrdeer1399 طريقة حساب الترووس المركبة بين المقسم وطاولة الفريزة أرجوك .

[@nabilrkiza9488]

@@ahmeddrdeer1399 أنا محتاج أتعلم طريقة حساب هدا النوع من التروس جزاكم الله خيرا إن كان ممكنا.

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

زمالنوع ده مش بالحساب بالنسبة لخطوة السنه بتشاور على السنه بشوكة علام من أول السنه لآخرها وتظبط عروسة التروس تاخد بالك لازم الشوكه تكون فى السنتر ومحور الاكس فى الزيرو بعد ما تظبط الخطوة بتركب سكينة تكون نمرة ٨ وأقل بنصف موديل عن العينة علشان وهى بتلف فى الخطوة ما توسعش السنه اوى وياريت لو تكون مسنونة من الجانبين (يدوى) وخلوصها يكون معقول(على ايدك) وتضبطها فى السنتر بالضبط ومتنساش وانت بتضبط الخطوة تضبط درجة ميل الجهاز على أرضية السنه بالشوكة برضو بعد ما تخلص ضبط تلف المحور على درجة ٣٠ وتبدأ تفتح السنه بعمق ١ مللى ونشوف أرضية السنة ونعمق واحدة واحدة وإذا الأرضية مش مضبوطة نلف المحور درجة أو درجتين او تلاته على حسب يمين او شمال لحد ما تضبط وسجل على ورقة التغير عمل معاك ايه لحد ما تضبط معاك شكل السنه

[@nabilrkiza9488]

@@ahmeddrdeer1399 كيف أعرف التروس المركبة بين المقسم وطاولة الفريزة؟

[@adeldassy5559]

Ce que fait ce monsieur est totalement faux ! Il est impossible d´usiner un engrenage hélicoïdal conique avec une fraise module ! Ensuite les mouvement de la table et du diviseur sont beaucoup plus complexes que ça !!!

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

peut-être que c'est complexe pour vous voici avant d'inventer une machine à engrenages hypoïdes ne vous fâchez pas c'est une méthode comme n'importe quoi. vous pouvez voler avec un avion, un ballon ou une combinaison ailée. Les voitures ont également les mêmes objectifs, mais des formes et des styles différents, vous ne pouvez donc rien critiquer tant que vous n'avez pas toutes ses connaissances.

[@adeldassy5559]

@@ahmeddrdeer1399 Si je parle de ça c´est parceque je suis spécialiste ! Le module d´une roue conique est variable même pour des denture droites donc on ne peut pas faire la chose avec une fraise module mais pour les dentures hélicoïdales c´est vraiment une autre histoire la fraiseuse peut exécuter uniquement du taillage hélicoïdal sur roue cylindrique mais pas conique . De vue le résultat peut paraître bien mais en réalité il serait asses loin du profil réel ! Il faut impérativement utiliser une tailleuse hélicoïdale . Je rajouterai encore que le profil des dents d´un engrenage droit effectué avec une fraise module est très approximatif ! . Utiliser une fraiseuse pour tailler des engrenages c´est de l´amateurisme. Cordialement.

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

@@adeldassy5559 Même si vous êtes un spécialiste dans ce domaine, vous ne pourrez pas non plus juger le travail des amateurs, car ceux qui, avec leur intelligence, créent pour vous des machines modernes qui font le travail à votre place, et malgré cela, vous ne l'avez pas fait. remarque.le module est variable dans cette spirale et le coupeur n'est pas un coupeur de module, il est meulé des deux côtés pour prendre la forme de la dent du module variable. De toute façon, ce n'est pas une machine à engrenages hipoïde, ce n'est pas une machine CNC sur laquelle vous êtes invités Ecrivez votre point de vue. Nous sommes convaincus de nos capacités

[@planje4740]

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[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

Good day, happy new year Every thing has a first step Then you move on till you finish the job

[@SebastianPortuguezGg]

Muy bonito solo saquemos una duda por que muchos dicen que tiene que tallarse con cabezal perfilador que así con árbol a menos que sea menor 15grados se que en generadoras es más exactos pero los que trabajamos en talleres particulares sabemos que esas máquinas son carismas y pues pueden hacerce los más aproximado que se pueda me puede orientar se lo agradecería de esa manera que usted esta tallando como se busca el centro para empezar

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

Good day sebastian First of all if you are a machinest and you did a helecal gear on the universal milling machine that will be easy to operate the spiral bevel gear. *you get the sample ,set up the sample hold it on the dividing head whith the chuck jaws. *Then set up (The auxiliary input) Universal dividing heads have an auxiliary input at the back of the head. This is used for helical milling. This is where, as the milling table moves along, the leadscrew is used, via a gear train, to rotate the workpiece being held by the dividing head. and try to get 3 things 1_The x axis milling table now in zero dgree. 2_the degree angle for the tooth botom by swiveling the chuck up 3_the lead for the( tooth curve)which is in the middle of the tooth (Pitch circle diameter of the gear). When you adjust the lead curve you are finshed set up * Choose a good milling cutter usually No: 8 and it has to be thin than the tooth way (I always grind the both side of the cutter to be thin than the female tooth) *Then put the cutter in the center of the gearblank by the easy way you can and don,t forget the cutter position on the naine spindle cause you are going to swivel the x table to the right or to the left acording to the gear * Swivel the x table to almost 30 degree * tight the table * start the machine * get a small depth about 1mm * look to the tooth way * Move to another tooth * and so on * enjoy adjusting and have 😊 ‏‪

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

if you are a machinest and you did a helecal gear on the universal milling machine that will be easy to operate the spiral bevel gear.

[@ahmeddrdeer1399]

you get the sample ,set up the sample hold it on the dividing head whith the chuck jaws. *Then set up (The auxiliary input) Universal dividing heads have an auxiliary input at the back of the head. This is used for helical milling. This is where, as the milling table moves along, the leadscrew is used, via a gear train, to rotate the workpiece being held by the dividing head.