Spitfire Soft Sliders Vs. DragonboneX

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

Also if anyone gets the joke in the title I know what you were doing in middle school and you’re a disgusting individual and I’m gonna tell your mom.

[@RikRiorik]

I didn’t get it but my mom wouldn’t care.

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

@@RikRiorik damn! I thought for sure she would care this time!

[@bobisadrummer]

Look dude, I just thought I was going to see a cool anime crossover okay...

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

@@bobisadrummer 🤣 my dude!

[@reedosaurus]

What was the joke???

[@stickersteve007]

100% can't go wrong with any of those wheels. Great video dude. if people have anymore questions on these wheel's im gonna send em over to watch this video

[@jimmyhuang8730]

Hell yeah BigDeck did a super thorough honest test review video, the evidence is beyond clear, SFF4 93A is not 93A, could easily be rebranded SFF4 97A for all we know, X97 is $4 cheaper barks louder rides better has more shapes to choose is a better similar wheel. While Dragons rules and is #1 on rough surfaces, no other skate wheel beats them on rough for a softer wheel that slide and is the #1 most durable skate wheel formula on the market which includes its harder duro versions in the X formula.

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

lol thanks dude. You and me could have a huge playlist dedicated to just wheel talk 🤣

[@likeSK8]

💯

[@stickersteve007]

@@bigdeckenergy8119 we should start a podcast where we only talk about wheels

[@dadthighs]

​@@stickersteve007 lmao Wheel Talk would honestly be a sick podcast

[@diplenski]

it's fun trying to hardflip those boats, it's kinda surprising how well it works. of these three i've only tried the x97 and i love them. i don't skate parks often and the closest park is east coast asphalt. the x97 have a smooth/fast ride and don't lose speed quickly on mid to mid/rough ground, good all-around wheel

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

lol hard flip and varial heelflips are the two basic flips that I haven’t been able too land on an Oldschool board yet. I’ll get em one day though! The 97’s really did change the game up though! Thanks for watching!

[@StuffnThings42]

Good review. I’m finding the same thing… use a wheel that fits what you like to skate… park, street, rough ground, grind tricks, etc. There’s no one perfect wheel that does it all in my experience.

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

I doubt there ever will be! Even if there was a perfect wheel people would still hate it because it isn’t their favorite brand. Thanks man

[@cordobadebear]

I’ll use bones 83B for most stuff, but for rough street and all terrain fun on a bigger board, the 82a is da best! Sweet spot for rough stuff is below 90a, imo…

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

I’ve got one cruiser set up with oj3’s but other than that I stick with 93a and up.

[@rosstempletonogskater]

on the street l have oj super juice, l dont want to eat concrete

[@LilChiefMagistrate]

Oh shit! He's back! Great video. Making me wanna buy some wheels

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

lol come down here and skate! I got plenty of wheels!

[@hoodpatrolstrains1010]

97 at the parks on my creature and rollerskates.... soft slders on my other board ...perfect video ☝

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

Thank you! 🙏

[@justinweitzel5723]

Which type of wheels do you prefer for steel ramps? Which wheels slide/perform better on mini ramps and skatepark slabs? Do you recommend using harder wheels exclusively for skating on steel prefab parks?

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

Either the bones x formula or the spitfire soft sliders will work great at the park

[@LilChiefMagistrate]

Dude sicks tricks on that red transfer thing- you've still got it old man 😂❤

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

Thanks almost old man!

[@SkateRatYuki]

Haven't tried the Spitfires so I can't chime in on this, but you're Street Plants are 10/10! 🔥

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

Thank you 🙏 it’s one of my favorite tricks!

[@stevensonenator]

Nice job, thanks for this. That is what I figured as well. For haggard ass blacktop and concrete dragon are king while still being able to slide. They do feel odd on smooth and skateparks though like you said lol ❤

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

Yeah unfortunately I will have to continue my hunt for the all around perfect wheel!

[@truthhurts7637]

Is the red obstacle park somewhere near Louisville?

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

Probably about three hours away.

[@JohnQ84]

Just came to say oj dual duro are great

[@burger1113]

Hmm I'm not sure if my x97's are from a batch that turned out harder, but the soft sliders did feel noticeably softer. I'm gonna have to try my homie's spitfires a bit more when I see him. I do wish Powell would make a slightly harder dragon formula, so maybe the spits are a good option for me now. Powell might as well fill out the gap between their 93, 97 and 99a wheels, though.

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

I’m willing to bet if they haven’t made a 95 dragon formula yet that they probably will.

[@thundersnow819]

How does one quantify lower back relief for 40 plus skaters per wheel?

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

Just go with the dragons 😂

[@manashieldmedia]

just ordered me some x99 52mms. dope review

[@manashieldmedia]

they came in... theyre 54s.... imma skate em anyways... any tips for the switch from 100a 52mm ccs basics to 54mm x99s if i mostly go to the park?

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

Hope you enjoy them!

[@Metaltrippin2]

Hey man I heard Natas used to ride SMA but I think Santa Cruz at one point but also rode thunder trucks but I also heard the Santa Cruz, Dogtown and Alva old school decks have hole patterns like modern boards. I wonder if the holes where always this way ? But idk I think it would be sick to try 151 thunders on one and they have the thunder team riders with more height which I feel like would be ideal ? I got thinking after I watched a video with a title along the lines of “what trucks to use for an old school deck” or something. It was cool. Also btw I just got a vision street old ghost with Indy 159 and 57 mm OJ team riders and it rips Thanks for your videos dude

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

Yeah the Santa Cruz reissues have the modern hole pattern. The thunders should work fine!

[@Metaltrippin2]

@@bigdeckenergy8119 cool thanks

[@davidmcnally7870]

I’ve heard people say the Spitfires 93’s feel more like a 97, do they feel similar to the formula 4 97a?

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

They feel close to the bones 97 but I couldn’t tell you if they felt like the formula 4’s because I haven’t tried them.

[@monstercadaver]

Heard the formula 4 97a feels like everyone else’s 99a. F499a definitely feel harder than everyone else’s 99a

[@75YBA]

I have Bones Swiss in my Dragons, zero issues.

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

Whatever works best for you! I haven’t had bones swiss since 2005ish? Have the improved them even more since then?

[@jimmyhuang8730]

BigDeck, what a comprehensive through honest review of these 3 similar wheels, great job great skating and great work, you have my respect and appreciation and will always get a thumbs up from me on your videos especially these honest through skate product review and comparison ones!!!! From my observations, the X97 here is the loudest and have the most bark and best slide of the 3 so if anyone is saying Spitfire wins that always, it didn't here vs its hybrid wheel competition (SFF4 99A is still one of the best smooth surface wheel in the market and is what I skate for skateparks so I have no bias I just go with what's best/price for what you get as a consumer/user). Once again, the SFF4 93A are not a real 93A wheel, it could easily be just rebranded SFF4 97A for all we know since it rides hard like a 97A and the X97 is a better wheel as it sounds better, rides a bit softer vs rough without less speed and has way more shape options and sizes to choose currently and thus more versatile and is $4 cheaper unless SFF4 93A drops their price down to the same price as X97 at $42, SFF4 93A don't compete and is NOT a better similar product. As for the Dragons, they are STILL the BEST skate wheel for anything rough, is what I use for rough surfaces, especially on the rough street (hill bombs, pump tracks etc) and decent for skateparks and smooth surfaces and if you need that grip, no other skate wheels on the market currently and for foreseeable future (10+ years) will change that fact unless another skate wheel company can come up with a brand new formula to beat it (Dragon formula which includes the X formula), which I doubt will happen anytime soon as it took George Powell 10+ years to do so 🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

Powell were the originators on the dragon formulas and the x formula so they will have an edge on the market for a while because they have had more time to work on it. Really I am just happy that so many companies have tried to copy or perfect the formula. The competition breeds progression and will eventually lead to better and better products. Thanks for watching dude!

[@jimmyhuang8730]

​@@bigdeckenergy8119Well we as consumers and users ALWAYS want the best products, best bang for our bucks and for the cheapest prices and the X97 beats out the SFF4 93A here for $4 cheaper and the Dragons is #1 on rough. It took George Powell 10+ years to invent the Dragon/X formula and put it out in the market, it will be at least another 10+ years for anything better to come alone in the skate wheel technology and market..

[@RikRiorik]

Big Man, Big Man! I’ve tried all three now too. I like all of them. But for me the Spits are the perfect medium between the Dragons bounce and the somewhat harder X97s. For me the Spits are just soft enough to treat my old bones well and just hard enough to still feel like a hard wheel. But I genuinely like them all. Definitely feel better to me than anything else I’ve tried from 87A up to 101A. But I feel like the Spits are softer than the X97s. Maybe not by much but definitely softer. Also I feel people focus too much on the Spits not feeling as soft as the Dragons despite both being labelled 93A. I mean it’s not like every 97A or 99A feels the same either. Heck I feel Spitfire 99As feel harder than 99A STFs. I’ve tried 95A OJ Nomads and they feel harder than the Spitfire 93s. Does that mean the Spits really are 93A then despite feeling harder than the Dragons? Who cares. The Spitfire 93s are a softer feeling hard wheel and softer than the harder Spitfires.

[@jimmyhuang8730]

Did you ever try the SFF4 97A? If so, are the SFF4 93A just rebranded SFF4 97A? If not how much softer of a ride is SFF4 93A compare to SFF4 97A? Regardless when you have X97 out which is a great all around wheel and possibly the best available at $41.95 it's pretty stupid to choose SFF4 93A which is similar at $46 and why bother when you can also buy SFF4 97A and SFF4 99A which is SFF4 best wheel at also $42. SFF4 93A is not only false advertisement but also over priced and nothing special vs X97 which again is $4 cheaper, slide better barks louder as evident in this video and is probably the best all around wheel as stated by many skaters already, so why bother paying more..

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

I have some 95a wheels I might set up just to see if they feel closer to that. I get what you’re saying though because on certain stuff the 97s did feel a bit softer but then on other things the soft slides felt softer. Skateboarding will never be a perfect science though so I just gotta go by feeling and the spits feel pretty good

[@RikRiorik]

@@jimmyhuang8730 nah sorry I haven’t done the 97A Spitfires. Never got around to it and now I’ve no reason to. Like I said I really like all of the wheels in this video but for me personally I felt that I could feel the X97s being just a tad harder and enough to make my feet hurt at the end of a session. Spitfire prices are beyond redonculous though. You lot have it good. You don’t want to know what they cost in Europe 😂. I’m not aboard the false advertisement train. The Spitfire 93s are softer than OJ Nomad 95As and they are softer than 99A Spitfires. Spitfire 99As feel harder than 99A Bones STFs. Which one is the true 99A? The one that came out first or the one that is softer? For me and probably the durometer scale as a measuring tool too if it had a say, I think the number on a wheel is more estimate than anything and there’s no real standard in the industry and the difference between different brands even on the same durometer can be noticeable.

[@jimmyhuang8730]

​@@RikRiorikthe STF 99A never sold well (Bones is phasing out STF with X formula) and I'm sure the SFF4 93A won't either at $46 when you can buy X97 at $42 and Dragons at $42-$44, why pay more unless you just need to skate Spitfire for a softer wheel that slide and evidently isn't a "better wheel" especially vs Dragon 93A on rough.

[@RikRiorik]

@@jimmyhuang8730 we’ll see over time I guess. The 93s are perfect for the ground I ride which isn’t smooth by any stretch of the imagination. Dragons too only they do have a bit of bounce to them.

[@Rot_Dog666]

There are too many variables; you’d need to use the same deck and same trucks and same bearings to get a more plausible answer

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

Your mother is a variable and your father smells of elderberry

[@Rot_Dog666]

@@bigdeckenergy8119 lol

[@jimmyhuang8730]

​@@Rot_Dog666must be a Powell Bones hater lol.. I would just report this fool lol. Go buy more SFF4 FAKE 93A for $4 more for a lesser product LOL!!!!

[@jimmyhuang8730]

Go do it with your own tests you fing Powell hating Troll lol. The evidence is beyond clear here thanks to BigDecks hard work and through tests.

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

@@Rot_Dog666 really I had spent a lot of time on all of these wheels and was pretty sure what the outcome would be. All these wheels are a solid choice and it comes down to what ground you want to ride. The dragons and the spitfires were both on ace af1’s and the bones were on Indy stage 4’s which is probably the closest I could get to af1’s. The bearings in each wheel are reds or ti elites which are closest to reds in my opinion. I did what I could with the time I had!

[@likeSK8]

great review 🤙🏼 SPOT ON 🔥 just recorded my conclusion video this morning and said how I feel the same way about a lot of what you said. I really like the spitfires too - I just wonder if they should have marketed as a 95a like you said - “harder of the softer wheels” 🤙🏼🛹

[@bigdeckenergy8119]

Thanks dude! I’ll make sure to check out your video when it drops! I was going to put them up against some 95a to see how they compared but I felt like four wheels on this video would be overkill

[@likeSK8]

@@bigdeckenergy8119 💯 for sure. I did I quick ride test vs the spitfire F4 97a’s on parking lot ground just to compare how they each felt there

[@jimmyhuang8730]

At this point it doesn't even matter what duro SFF4 93A really is.. they can be 97A "rebranded" or even 95A when compare to the Dragon formula but they are definitely NOT 93A and to call them 93A to compete with Dragons for market is false advertisement. And the fact X97 has been out for over 1+ years and most similar to SFF4 93A, it's ridiculous for Spitfire to charge $4 more, the more informed skaters would choose X97 instead because it's cheaper and is a more durable formula and many have stated is a better feeling wheel for all around skating as well as louder as evident in this video says all.