Spoon Knife Edge Geometry Explained - Nic Westermann

[@Zedoutdoors]

Click here to watch part two of this two-part series - kzbin.info/www/bejne/pIbNiaGInteLqtE

[@elcoderino]

This was a great video. Demonstrating with the hinge was quite helpful.

[@Zedoutdoors]

Thank you kindly and indeed yes, I was impressed with that as well whilst filming ~Peace~

[@donscottvansandt4139]

Love your diplomacy. Art of in any kind is subjective and a learning process. It really bothers me when I see people downing others who are just not as far along or going a different direction than they. I believe in encouraging not discouraging. This is in my opinion how we progress as a species. Thank you 🙏

[@Zedoutdoors]

Totally agree and when it comes down to it, we are all eternal students ~Peace~

[@donscottvansandt4139]

@@Zedoutdoors I know I am. And am in love with learning. To me this is growth.

[@talkin-ape]

R2 Wood here... Fantastic to get this info from Nic out there for all to see. Being an owner of many of his tools and many chats, I was familiar with the bevel geometry parts but never knew about the crowning with bent steel. Fascinating stuff! Thanks Zed and Nic, and extra thanks for the shout out to the Bodgers org.

[@Zedoutdoors]

I only learnt about the crowning effect a couple of years ago, so you're not the only one who wasn't aware of it. Credit to Nic for his planning around how he was going to talk about it and do a demo of the forging to really highlight it ~Peace~

[@slomkaadas9603]

Oh, thank you! Finally, someone got down to the subject and did so reliably. A pleasure to watch myself, I'm eager to see more Greetings from Poland

[@Zedoutdoors]

I sincerely appreciate your kind words and for watching. Nic did a lot of work on how we wanted to present this information in a way that people would understand ~Peace~

[@timeclock27]

Hey Zed, Thanks as always for all your hard work putting these videos together! I've been carving spoons for about two years now, added bowl turning last year (made my own pole lathe!), and have been getting into blacksmithing as well. All due in large part to the wealth of info you provide on your channel. I'm very appreciative that you and Nic took the time to put this video together as there's so much in here that I had no idea I'd have to wrestle with trying to forge curved blades. I hope that some day the two of you get the chance to do a spoon knife video in the vein of the turning sloyd knife, that was a great series! Congrats on the upcoming 100k subs, you deserve it man.

[@Zedoutdoors]

I sincerely appreciate your kind words regarding the videos and channel, I really mean that. It warms my heart to hear how the videos have played a part in your carving journey, props on building your own lathe too! It isn't always easy for me to get out and film these videos as well as organise the myriad of logistics behind the scenes in amidst of my day to day work. However, I do try my best to capture as much as I can so as to help folk like yourself. Regarding a spoon forging video, I am working behind the scenes to hopefully film a video covering that, so fingers crossed. Many thanks once again for your kind words and stay blessed my man ~Peace~

[@contextspecific]

Unexpected bonus in the video because I also want to make a strap hinge 👍🏼

[@nicwestermann4206]

That's good to hear! We were unsure about putting that in, but without a bit of forging it would have been very dry.

[@Zedoutdoors]

That was entirely Nic's idea as he wanted to visually illustrate the crowning affect along with his experience in forging ~Peace~

[@btinsley785]

I've been sharpening and carving for most of my life. I learned something about sharpening hook knives today, something I had never considered before. Thank you.

[@Zedoutdoors]

I've been filming these videos and carving for a few years now, yet I only learnt about this myself a couple of years back. Every day is a school day, thanks for watching my friend ~Peace~

[@Erwin_AMS]

What did you learn i wonder? :)

[@mtate02]

Thanks for another awesome upload ZedStar! 😊💛

[@Zedoutdoors]

You are very kind my friend thank you! ~Peace~

[@dannyhoskins8526]

Thank you Nic for sharing this information. So helpful to make sure I can keep your blades in the right condition, it's really appreciated. Thanks also to Zed for sharing this info.

[@Zedoutdoors]

Sincerely appreciate your kind words and for watching Danny, thank you ~Peace~

[@simonbarnard1861]

Great video and very good of Nic to share his knowledge and skills. Also can see his thought and attention to detail that make his tools the ‘gold standard’ in the craft.

[@Zedoutdoors]

Amen to that Simon, I was aware of the work involved when Nic made his tools, but filming this made me appreciate just how much more went into it ~Peace~

[@HuseyinYalcinWoodWork]

Hi Zed. I have been following you for a long time. You make great videos with craftsmen who do their job well. The videos you shot with Nic are also outstanding. Nic is a very talented craftsman. And he's not shy about sharing his knowledge. This is very valuable. I am grateful to you and Nic for sharing this valuable information. I am a craftsman living in Turkey. I'm into wood carving and tool making. I hope to meet both you and Nic one day. Best..

[@T3hJones]

Wow I got alot of old hinges I will check them out after this :D. Nic is a real master!

[@Zedoutdoors]

Indeed yes I didn't realise that about forged hinges until filming this video ~Peace~

[@Arboreal_Fungi]

This explanation was very helpful! Thank you!

[@Zedoutdoors]

Thats wonderful to hear thank you ~Peace~

[@paulsmithies7620]

Great video as always, I've made a couple of hooks myself, they work but to a point where you wonder is it cutting or scraping ? This will definitely help with the next one. Thankyou both for taking the time.

[@Zedoutdoors]

Sincerely appreciate your kind words Paul and do let me know how you get on with making your next hook knife ~Peace~

[@ukaszplaskowski5248]

Love the video, thanks to both of you guys!

[@Zedoutdoors]

You are very kind my friend thank you ~Peace~

[@marsoelflaco5722]

The UK has perfected cloning.🧒🏽🧒🏽

[@Zedoutdoors]

The first one was a success ..now to 3D print an army... ~Peace~

[@marsoelflaco5722]

@@Zedoutdoors 😉

[@EllenZachtWerken]

Thanks for this video and all the explanations of Nic. Very interesting! 👍

[@Zedoutdoors]

Thank you for your kind words Ellen, Nic is a library of knowledge when it comes to tools so i am honoured to be able to collaborate with him on these videos ~Peace~

[@shahar85]

What a delightful video❤ I enjoyd and learned so much😊

[@Zedoutdoors]

That's wonderful to hear and thank you for your kind words ~Peace~

[@accordingtopete555]

I think you’ve found your long lost brother

[@simonbarnard1861]

😂

[@debluetailfly]

Looks like I am not the only one who saw a strong resemblance.

[@Zedoutdoors]

All we need now is a Jerry Springer reveal on stage ~Peace~

[@paulkozowyk]

Always great to watch your videos, Zed. I was hoping somewhere in these two it might be mentioned what sort of edge angle is optimal for a spoon knife though! I’m guessing somewhere between 20 and 25? but I was hoping to see how Nic gets consistent and accurate edge angles on these knives… seems like that part of the process was completely skipped… of course, lots of other great info, as always, so thanks again.

[@Zedoutdoors]

Hi Paul, I appreciate your kind words and for watching. Regarding the edge angle on a spoon knife, unless I am mistaken it is usually between 25-27, if Nic reads this he can hopefully clarify. Regarding how Nic gets consistent edge angles on his spoon knives, that is out of the remit of this video as this video is only focused on the theory relating to edge geometry ~Peace~

[@paulkozowyk]

@@Zedoutdoors thanks!

[@nicwestermann4206]

Edge angle is dependent on the steel you are using and wood you expect to be carving, it's generally going to be the same for a straight knife, but in reality you can grind a slightly shallower angle, as despite your best efforts you always get a bit of rounding in the outside, as Zed said though no specifics this was just theory , the application is up to you. Make one, test it then refine .

[@paulkozowyk]

@@nicwestermann4206 great, thanks for your response! Indeed, I have been experimenting, but it is hard to measure the angles on my ready made ones because of the convexity. I find I keep gravitating to a Pfeil that has a very acute angle. I don’t have the equipment to make a lot to compare, or re grind bevels easily, so having a starting point in mind is already a big help. T

[@paulkozowyk]

Supposed to finish by saying thanks again! (I sent the last message prematurely and it won’t let me edit for some reason…” cheers 🙂

[@davidernst499]

Thanks once again for a great video! May I ask, are you two related? I've been thinking about this crowning problem for a while and was presuming this needed to be done, but never seen anyone explain it before. Much appreciated!

[@Zedoutdoors]

Hi David, thank you for your kind words and to hear you found this video useful. Alas we are not related but turns out we look similar! ~Peace~

[@hankoceanlife]

I'm so glad you made this video, Well done!

[@Zedoutdoors]

Thank you kindly my friend, all props to Nic for allowing me to document knowledge he's taken many years to refine ~Peace~

[@ksosb1234]

Thank you so much for these videos! @zedoutdoors @nicwestermann.

[@Zedoutdoors]

You are very kind my friend thank you! ~Peace~