RANKING THE BEST SNOOKER PLAYERS OF ALL TIME!

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@louiem2
@louiem2 8 ай бұрын
i thought Mark was missing Hendry out on purpose at first 🤣
@Revolver1981
@Revolver1981 8 ай бұрын
I think that's exactly what he was doing.
@adamclevenger8142
@adamclevenger8142 8 ай бұрын
For sure thought the same. Love Willo!!!
@JayBassoon
@JayBassoon 8 ай бұрын
Nah, it appears he just didn't give it much thought 🤔
@nickhaswell6011
@nickhaswell6011 8 ай бұрын
Yeah he always jokes and best mates with hendry and always mucking about when its hendry Yeah he was doing that here joking around
@judex3226
@judex3226 8 ай бұрын
He was
@alxen9814
@alxen9814 8 ай бұрын
I like what Kyren said. O'Sullivan, Williams, Higgins are not just winning titles, but doing it consistently for a very long period of time. Including modern era.
@dangermouse8466
@dangermouse8466 8 ай бұрын
Yes but what Karen doesn't understand is that modern tables are vastly different to the tables of the 80s. Today's tables are easier to play on.
@udtojanpestillos2094
@udtojanpestillos2094 8 ай бұрын
@@dangermouse8466 Then why all the great players in the old era could not compete anymore. They had the same tables but only Ronnie, Mark and John were winning.
@dangermouse8466
@dangermouse8466 8 ай бұрын
@@udtojanpestillos2094 The tables of the 80s and 90s played totally differently to today's tables. Today's tables are much easier to play on. Why? It's for ratings. The BBC and WPBSA decided they wanted matches finishing quicker because interest in the sport wouldn't wane. And if winning is everything to you, then Davis and Reardon ought to be higher ranked than Mark and John coz they won more world titles. I suggest you do some research on how different the tables are.
@udtojanpestillos2094
@udtojanpestillos2094 8 ай бұрын
@@dangermouse8466 Yeah nowaday's tables are easier to play. But the best players of 80s and 90s were not able to play on these "easy" tables. Standard was just low in those days.
@dangermouse8466
@dangermouse8466 8 ай бұрын
@@udtojanpestillos2094 Of course they could play. Reardon is well into his 90s and Davis is getting on too. What the hell are you talking about?
@fistfulloflenses
@fistfulloflenses 8 ай бұрын
Problem with comparing eras is people just look at stats , and forget about the playing conditions, the balls were heavier in the past so the pact didn't split as easily, making breaks harder to come by ,also the cloth was thicker with more nap , the tables weren't as fast , and then many of the players of the past had less time for practice
@Mike20216
@Mike20216 8 ай бұрын
Great point
@mtns7036
@mtns7036 8 ай бұрын
Very true but if you do want to compare eras you can only go on the numbers. That's why it's the problem because of the points you make
@scienceevolves4417
@scienceevolves4417 8 ай бұрын
Well actually it's more than that. A lot has to do with human psychology. Give you an example of what I mean: I'd wager huge reason why O'Sullivan was so successful was because... Hendry was so successful in the 90s. A huge reason why Hendry was so successful was because.... Steve Davis was so successful. A huge reason why Davis was so successful was because.... Ray Reardon was so successful. And so it goes... All these players basically grew up watching and admiring their idols ie older players and wishing they could follow them and match their records and even beat their records. But, to that end, it has to be said it is FAR EASIER going for a target already set than setting any target, or indeed competing when there's no records and no benchmark from the past (such as in Joe Davis' era, for instance). Like, was century breaks stat such a big deal in Joe's era? Doubt it. Triple crown wins? Hell, there wasn't even any Uk champ or masters back then. Most prize money won? Again, grew with the time and has to be accounted for inflation and new sponsorship and the rise of media coverage. Competition? Yes sure it grew steadily over time too. Should Joe Davis be "penalised" in this ranking only because snooker was only in its early stages?! Would Ronnie have won 15, 20 or 30 titles back in Joe Davis' era? Hell, we'll never know answer to those questions, and yet these ALL are relevant considerations in this discussion!
@lionelmassey5365
@lionelmassey5365 2 ай бұрын
And were smoking and more importantly drinking alcohol at the table
@homerp.hendelbergenheinzel6649
@homerp.hendelbergenheinzel6649 Ай бұрын
in germany we have the saying "statistics are the third form of a lie". the other two are the direct and the indirect lie, of course ^^
@tietheknob3751
@tietheknob3751 8 ай бұрын
Ali Carter was the most honest and spoke the most sense!
@mikescorpio13
@mikescorpio13 8 ай бұрын
it makes no sense to compare these eras claiming these top players wouldnt be able to compete today i mean give Alex Higgins or Jimmy White the equipment and condition guys have today and they would destroy dudes like Carter.
@PlayMoreGolf-RipOff
@PlayMoreGolf-RipOff 8 ай бұрын
Let’s put Ali Carter on a 1980s unbeaten table with thick slow cloth and heavy balls and see how does
@dkb276
@dkb276 8 ай бұрын
Except it was a different era. Slower cloth. The ball were heavier and didnt split as easily. The balls had to be picked off one by one and Davis and Hendry were geniuses at this
@Ex-Pear-Rocker
@Ex-Pear-Rocker 8 ай бұрын
I am glad someone else mentioned it, I was about to leave the same comment in Ali's favour.
@craigmorgan4676
@craigmorgan4676 8 ай бұрын
Ronnie's favourite!🤫🤫🤔🫣🫣
@suvarnachauhan951
@suvarnachauhan951 8 ай бұрын
3:46 Mark William comes out of nowhere eating a banana 🍌 😂
@itellyouwhy6957
@itellyouwhy6957 2 ай бұрын
How presumptuous. the banana might identify as an orange.
@michaelmerrill3958
@michaelmerrill3958 Ай бұрын
He was ear-wiging Carter to see if he was in his top 5.
@PlayMoreGolf-RipOff
@PlayMoreGolf-RipOff 8 күн бұрын
If it was STEPHEN LEE in the background he’d have a maccies delivery boy carry his food around for him!
@Danny-hp9fx
@Danny-hp9fx 8 ай бұрын
Was around at the time and believe me……Steve Davis was a machine…….the blueprint for any great player since
@RasT108
@RasT108 8 ай бұрын
If Ronnie, Hendry and Higgins were at their prime in the 80s, good luck Davis. Gonna need it. Edit: also he is a sellout prick with all his masonic hand symbols. dark heart.
@dvidclapperton
@dvidclapperton 8 ай бұрын
Davis was 33-2 win/loss at the Crucible 1983 to 1989 Hendry was 34-2 win/loss at the Crucible 1992 to 1999. Davis's run at the Crucible in the 1980's was akin to Hendry's run in the 1990's so you coukd say that it waa a Hendry type win/loss record even if Davis didn't go on a 29 siccessive match wins or win 5 world titles on the spin. 33-2 win/loss waan't as far off from the 29 in a row Hendry match wins from 1992 to 1997 as it turned out. 33-2 also says Davis made 7 successive world chapionship finals 1983 to 1989, and Davis also made 2 more world aemi finals the 2 years in the first 2 years of the 1990's it waa extremely competitive with Hendry's Crucible record in the 1990's.
@Danny-hp9fx
@Danny-hp9fx 8 ай бұрын
@@dvidclapperton loved the nugget!….a time when even the most average player was a household name…..the 1980s was surely the golden era of snooker
@contesketchup2981
@contesketchup2981 5 ай бұрын
I often wonder if Davis got proper coaching like the lads today about how good he would have been. In his prime he was a machine and would often only need on visit plus his safety game was ace. Even Ronnie said that he could see just how good Davis was when Davis came back to beat him in one particular tournament that I can't remember. Davis just killed Ronnie with safety and cleared up frame after frame to eventually win. Hendry in his prime is beating everyone today including Ronnie but o'sullivan would win more matches because he's the best. Anyone putting Williams ahead of Hendry and Davis haven't a clue as they often wiped the floor with Williams who was always a very limited player who was also very careless and carefree. Jimmy White in his prime was much better than Williams but Jimmy let himself down by neglecting the safety part of his game. He would have won much more only for that.
@dvidclapperton
@dvidclapperton 5 ай бұрын
@@contesketchup2981 White though wasn't the Davis of the 90's like some try to claim. Williams won the Masters in 1998, showed great character when the title appeared to be lost when he was 3 frames down to Hendry needing to win the remaining 4, though it was never a 7-1 Hendry lead leading to a 10-2 win to begin with. It was one of the greatest finals in history, and went to a respotted black to decide it, a shame that both couldn't share the title. It was a 9-9 draw other than the respot. Williams didn't do that badly in the head to head vs Hendry in the 1990's Hendry lead Williams 8-6 in all meetings, not totally overwhelming head to head, and Williams was beginning to peak from 1998 into the 2000's. Williams 3 White 0 world championship titles at the Crucible, Williams showed a lot more character than White with his back to the wall, and in the 1999 world championship final vs Hendry Williams did a lot better than White did vs Hendry in the 1993 world championship final managed to take double figures in 1999 compared with White's 5 frames in 1993. Williams recovered from 7-13 to beat Stevens in 2000, I couldn't have seen White successfully recovering from 6 frames down to win ths title in a world championship final.
@djh29971
@djh29971 8 ай бұрын
Anyone leaving Steve Davis out clearly forgets how good he was. The reason he was called 'boring' is because he was so damn efficient! Ray Reardon was the master of getting a 30 or 40 break and then placing his opponent in trouble, but Davis moved it on a notch and then Hendry did further. Snooker is similar to darts where it has got a lot easier and I'm sure many of the older players would have loved to play with the tables and balls of today.
@Inglese001
@Inglese001 23 күн бұрын
Steve was great and was a major reason why snooker became so popular in the 1980s. However, he would be the first to say that the quality and quantity of players today, is on another level.
@ianwatkins6202
@ianwatkins6202 8 ай бұрын
Ray Reardon was a fabulous player!!❤
@112sje
@112sje 2 ай бұрын
He didn't get a chance to turn professional until he was 35. How much better could he have been if he could turn professional as a teenager like all the modern players did. Hendry was already in decline when he reached that age.
@Mantis_Toboggan_MD.
@Mantis_Toboggan_MD. 8 ай бұрын
I agree with Shaun Murphy that it is hard to compare eras. All any sportsman can do is to dominate the era that they are in. They cannot control what comes after them, all they can do is to give the next generation something to aim at. Steve Davis utterly dominated the sport for a decade and raised the standards considerably from where it was previously. Stephen Hendry then raised the bar again in the 1990's O'Sullivan, Higgins & Williams were all young players coming through the ranks in the early 1990's. In my opinion, part of the reason they are still competing at the top well in to their 40's, is the fact that that they had to reach such a high standard, when they were coming through, in order to get anywhere near Hendry in the first place. In terms of O'Sullivan, there's no real dispute he's the best ever but when was his "prime" ? "When was Ronnie O'Sullivans prime?" could be a whole KZbin debate in itself His 7 world titles are spread out over 21 years and he's only ever won back to back titles once in 2012 & 2013. He's been world no1 several times but never for longer than about 18-24 months at a time. He was actually quite far down the rankings when he won his back to back World Championships. I think that sums Ronnie up. Could be World Champion one day and then 24 hours later can't be bothered playing anymore
@contesketchup2981
@contesketchup2981 5 ай бұрын
It's not hard to compare, when the flame is burning bright that's when it's at it's highest point. Davis was a nightmare to play, his safety game was the best in the world for years and he often would make one table visits to win a game. He even admitted that he would have made more centuries but he didn't want to be there all day. so he'd deliberately miss a ball on an 80 break. Hendry was on another level, he was a machine and would destroy the likes of Selby and Robertson today. The best player for me with the last five years is Trump, he's a pure genius but of course ronnie the greatest of all time has that experience that gets him over the line. The top players of all time for me are clearly Ronnie, Hendry, Higgins, Davis, Trump and Selby
@adrian.008
@adrian.008 10 күн бұрын
ok, that's true, we only could imagine and say that player was great because he didn't have a good oponnents, but we have stats, with centurys, maximum braks, that say more, and todays Trump at the age after 30 have 1000 centuries, the best players at the 80's, 90's eras didn't hav that in the and of careeras, everything going forward, and at every sport too
@paulo586
@paulo586 9 күн бұрын
Ronnie O'Sullivan, the best of them all, unquestionably. He's like Pelé, he doesn't need titles and statistics, just watch him play. Anyone who played snooker knows that Ronnie is incomparable, anyone who hasn't played speaks without knowing what they're talking about.
@sigurdmellqvist7802
@sigurdmellqvist7802 8 күн бұрын
agreed, was a very good answer and arguments by Murphy. Got a star in my book for those opinions :)
@stevenwilliams8566
@stevenwilliams8566 8 ай бұрын
Prime Hendry and O'Sullivan, it's a toss of a coin between them. Ronnie gets #1 for his extra longevity, triple crown numbers, genius factor(left handed play, speed around the table etc) but anyone putting Hendry lower than 2nd obviously didn't see him play. Would he dominate today like he did in the 90s? No, but he'd still absolutely be vying for world #1 and all the main titles each year. He's the only player from his and earlier era's that made centuries at the same rate as the best players of today. Just ahead of his time.
@dangermouse8466
@dangermouse8466 8 ай бұрын
Did you notice how the number of centuries during this world championship was less than half of each of the previous years? Do you know why that happened? Surely, today's players with a higher standard should have gained more centuries? But no! You all don't realise how much harder it is to play on a thicker cloth. The 70s and 80s had the thickest cloths of all. And the cloth during the 2024 world championship was like an ice skating rink compared to the deep water wading of a cloth you had back in the 70s and 80s. This should be enough proof that people like Reardon and Davis would not only compete in today's era but probably dominate it too. Davis came after Reardon, Hendry came after Davis, the class of 92 came after Hendry, but no single one talent has emerged to take on Ronnie & co since. Leading me to believe that Ronnie would likely never have won 7 world titles if someone like Davis or Hendry came soon after him.
@Bazsii2k
@Bazsii2k 8 ай бұрын
@@dangermouse8466 This makes no sense at all. You naming 1-1 players from each era, like it was only them, then the 92 class (which is 3 ppl alone) is already more, also Mark Selby came after them so its four top 7, possibly top 5 players only from the 2000s/2010s
@dangermouse8466
@dangermouse8466 8 ай бұрын
@@Bazsii2k It does make sense. You haven't been watching snooker long enough to understand. Not only that but you've never played on a BCE table and a modern professional table. Of course you won't know nor understand.
@HaleG9
@HaleG9 8 ай бұрын
Well, ALL players have Ronnie on 1. No need for discussion there...
@Acanofbeer
@Acanofbeer 8 ай бұрын
It’s not a toss of the coin. Every professional snooker player says O’Sullivan even Ali Carter who hates him. Where are you coming from?
@thomasryan4124
@thomasryan4124 8 ай бұрын
Kyren Wilson says the standard today was a lot higher than when stephen hendry was in his prime ive been watching snooker for 40 years and i can tell you stephen hendry set the standard that is played today simple as that
@JamesGadbury
@JamesGadbury 8 ай бұрын
Hendry changed the game - as did others - but Hendry's style (attacking aggressively, break building, mental strength & professional discipline) formed a winning template for players to emulate and carry in to the modern game.
@0zone_X-u9x
@0zone_X-u9x 8 ай бұрын
Well, to be honest I grew up watching Hendry and followed Ronnie during his peak aswell and If I had to compare the 2 of them id say Hendry was the most dominant ever, dude was a destroyer on that table, a vicious machine, defensive play, long pots, recovering from bad positions and neves of absolute solid steel, no one comes close (for me of course)
@stalkek
@stalkek 27 күн бұрын
I’d agree. The most perfect competitor in terms of aggressive, the skill obviously and the temperament. Definitely has it over Ronnie for me on the temperament side, and so in terms of everyone’s peak, for me it’s fairly clear cut.😊
@Makle84
@Makle84 8 ай бұрын
Davis would definitely hold his own today. Take these old players for what they did instead of just assuming that they wouldnt cope in today's game. Its ridiculous. I'm sure players today would struggle going back playing with different cloth and heavier balls lol. True greats are able to adjust to the times and competition.
@jimmyk9523
@jimmyk9523 8 ай бұрын
Yes I'm a firm believer that talent is talent and if you dropped any of the old guard in to todays game they would raise their standards to compete with the players of today.
@RonniePickeringMate
@RonniePickeringMate 8 ай бұрын
Fair point. But going purely on statistics, you can see why they don’t get picked in the list. We’ll never know
@lightningleaf23
@lightningleaf23 8 ай бұрын
Yeah he beat Higgins in 2010 when he was past it. Prime he would be competitive
@SteveNinetyski
@SteveNinetyski 8 ай бұрын
The question wasn't "let's postulate on how Fred Davis for example would fair against Ronnie if he was born decades later and had all the same equipment" Jessie Owens was amazing but he would still not even get on his National team now, time move on..sport evolves and people get better.
@gazzoob6953
@gazzoob6953 8 ай бұрын
Well said!
@JackMcLeodJr
@JackMcLeodJr 8 ай бұрын
I actually liked Murphys analysis here, and always admire brutal honesty whether I agree with the point being made or not, and so I give a thumbs up to what Carter said here also. Much like I see in boxing discussions - the comparing of different era's does not really make sense, as it's all pure fantasy anyway, e.g the whole "would Ali have beaten Mike Tyson prime for prime" (a topic which comes up often). In my opinion it is the innovators who influenced and paved the way for the future talents that deserve all credit for it.
@Hellomhk
@Hellomhk 2 ай бұрын
Tyson couldn't knock out Tillis, mitch green, tucker. Ali beat shavers, ron lyle, foreman
@JackMcLeodJr
@JackMcLeodJr 2 ай бұрын
@Hellomhk Also, Tysons best win on his record was an ancient Larry Holmes. That's not particularly great.
@kadiummusic
@kadiummusic 8 ай бұрын
Alex Higgins would wipe the floor with all of them in his prime. 😎
@CharlesB147
@CharlesB147 8 ай бұрын
All credit to Murphy for putting Reardon on the list. Not many people would dig that deep.
@tassletheory
@tassletheory 8 ай бұрын
They sound so short sighted and arrogant. The modern game is superior lol talent transcends time. It’s like saying you can’t compared different generations of footballers because the game has changed 😂 I watched the World championships. This lot are not more talented then previous generations. Alex Higgins the GOAT!!
@weeroger7048
@weeroger7048 8 ай бұрын
All the modern players have seen all the shots on tv It wasnt on tv much when Alex higgins and Jimmy was learning ..they had to learn all the shots themselves And the stance and playing a pro speed table all your days
@jamesm1579
@jamesm1579 8 ай бұрын
Steve Davis definitely got sold short there.
@Mike20216
@Mike20216 8 ай бұрын
Absolutely the guy at his best was a machine
@christlow1234
@christlow1234 7 ай бұрын
I think Steve davis set the benchmark for the players that followed so I'd put him top of the tree
@danielhornby5581
@danielhornby5581 7 ай бұрын
Wouldn’t compete with Selby was a crazy comment.
@dgeneratio1
@dgeneratio1 8 ай бұрын
I think the century tally comparison is a bit unfair as wasn't as many tournaments when Hendry and Davis were playing full time.
@dangermouse8466
@dangermouse8466 8 ай бұрын
Tables were absolutely different way back then too. Centuries are much easier to make and hence the main reason why Hearn made the prize for a 147 quite low.
@jaipandey6838
@jaipandey6838 8 ай бұрын
Ronnie, Higgins, Hendry, Selby, Williams
@WillC-wy5oy
@WillC-wy5oy 8 ай бұрын
No way Higgins is above Henry.no way
@TheChriolivier
@TheChriolivier 8 ай бұрын
Made me realise how luck we are to have most of them alive and playing. Not something you can say about many sports!
@richboy900
@richboy900 8 ай бұрын
​@@WillC-wy5oyyea Ronnie and Hendry in their prime were quite a step above everyone else imo
@scottleicester4266
@scottleicester4266 8 ай бұрын
No way Hendry wins 7 in this era, most of his wins came against a bottleless Jimmy, he even beat Nigel Bond for one of them but you can only beat whats in front of you, and he is still the second best because he was that good, players like Ray Reardon and Alex Higgins would be out their depth against the power scorers of today. Could they adapt to the modern game with better tables and balls? We’ll never know.
@WillC-wy5oy
@WillC-wy5oy 8 ай бұрын
@@scottleicester4266 ..eras are there for a reason..I don't think Steve Davies beat top notch players or even reardon. But both names are on the 🏆 6 times each
@justinmichaelson
@justinmichaelson 8 ай бұрын
Fascinating video thanks for posting
@Shdjdjxbdksk
@Shdjdjxbdksk 8 ай бұрын
Honestly baffled how many people are putting Higgins above Hendry both in their prime.
@garystephenson1618
@garystephenson1618 8 ай бұрын
Probably a longevity thing
@soberlifestyle
@soberlifestyle 8 ай бұрын
The standard definitely went up after Hendry retired. I'd say a prime John Higgins is better than prime Hendry. Higgins has won tournaments dropping only a couple of frames, completely unplayable!
@mikescorpio13
@mikescorpio13 8 ай бұрын
@@soberlifestyle hahaha thats exactly the problem no one is touching prime Hendry
@tizmond
@tizmond 8 ай бұрын
@@mikescorpio13 Exactly. People dismiss Hendry, because they only remember him playing when he was in a steep decline of form. They're quick to forget that he completely DOMINATED the game for an entire decade and still holds records that even Ronnie isn't breaking. I still think prime Hendry beats prime Ronnie. Ronnie might, arguably, be more talented, but Hendry had nerves of steel. Even if he was 9-0 down, in a first to 10, you wouldn't bet against him coming back and winning 10-9. Ronnie, as great as he is, has a tendency to sulk when things don't go his way and we saw that against Bingham this year. It's always been his biggest downfall, but if he had Hendry's bottle, he'd be World Champion every year.
@nathanbishop925
@nathanbishop925 8 ай бұрын
@@tizmond are you delusional? A prime henry was nearly untouchable, but he is no way beating a prime ronnie! Ronnie, in his prime, would mean you not getting a chance to take a shot in the whole match, you'll be sat in your sit the whole time and only go to the table when it's your turn to break off 😂😂
@CK-dd7eq
@CK-dd7eq 8 ай бұрын
John Higgins.. what a player he has been over the year's 👌🏻 i remember his da just passed away and he won the world championship. Bittersweet interview after 💚😭 legend!
@perun4649
@perun4649 2 ай бұрын
you mean Alex Higgins
@lesparys
@lesparys 2 ай бұрын
@@perun4649 No, he means John,and I agree
@hughbaker4997
@hughbaker4997 13 күн бұрын
Higgins the cheat.
@SSNRR17
@SSNRR17 8 ай бұрын
What about Peter Ebdon fantastic player to watch on a Sunday night when you need to go to bed early
@UnearthlyKiss
@UnearthlyKiss 8 ай бұрын
That's unfair!
@SSNRR17
@SSNRR17 8 ай бұрын
@@UnearthlyKiss what's unfair going to bed early
@UnearthlyKiss
@UnearthlyKiss 8 ай бұрын
@@SSNRR17 You miss the snooker! You know you love it!
@Danny-hp9fx
@Danny-hp9fx 8 ай бұрын
I went to the doctor in the early 1980s with insomnia…..was expecting a prescription but was told to get some vhs of the grinder …..not a dating app though 😂😂
@johnwhite7306
@johnwhite7306 7 ай бұрын
Funniest part about Ebdon as a pro was nothing like how he played as an amateur. He was a very attacking and quick player as a young player
@martijnvermolen8894
@martijnvermolen8894 8 ай бұрын
any top 5 without hendry at 1or 2 is just ridiculous.
@Acanofbeer
@Acanofbeer 8 ай бұрын
He can’t ever be number 1 in anyone’s list. Every single pro says O’Sullivan
@HattoriHanzo1990
@HattoriHanzo1990 7 ай бұрын
@@Acanofbeerwell he can just to many cock smokers he done what ronnie did but twice as fast
@RFED2O
@RFED2O 7 ай бұрын
Yes definitely 💯
@michaelmulhall5007
@michaelmulhall5007 7 ай бұрын
@@AcanofbeerO Sullivan has passed him on lots of metrics achievements and longevity. But if have every penny I own on hendry one table both in there prime. Hendrys level of play against Ken in the uk final has never been equalled for a tv match and probaly won’t ever be again
@SteveMeek
@SteveMeek 2 ай бұрын
​@michaelmulhall5007 Correction. O sullivan has passed Hendry on everything from most tournament wins, centuries, 147s the lot. Hendry only has the same number of world championships because he was dominant in an easier era and even admits himself that Ronnie is the greatest ever
@Simon-pg1ts
@Simon-pg1ts 8 ай бұрын
What all these players are missing is that when they changed the balls, so that the reds broke from the pack much more easily than was the case with the old balls, this made a totally different sort of game to be the one that was necessary to win matches. Ali Carter dismisses Steve Davis and Alex Higgins as not being in the same league as today's players, but I think that if you gave them the new balls to play with, then within a couple of years they'd be right up there, and that if they'd had the new balls since they started playing the game they'd very likely be dominating it as they did with the old balls in their era. And the same thing's true of golfers, tennis players and cricketers. The game where the modern players do appear to perform better than those of 40 - 50 years ago is darts, although even here, it's possible that much of the improvement has come from a reduction in the variation between the barrels of the three darts bought as a set, or of the shafts, or of the flights. Maybe John Lowe's 9 darter was a fluke, because the variation in the players' sets of darts should have made it impossible.
@dangermouse8466
@dangermouse8466 8 ай бұрын
Absolutely, I totally agree with you. It's shameful that Ali Carter does not understand this.
@saltiresteel6647
@saltiresteel6647 8 ай бұрын
Not just the balls, but the cloth. Old cloth was much thicker/heavier. Today's cloth is fine, and conducive to the balls opening up, leading to more big breaks.
@Simon-pg1ts
@Simon-pg1ts 8 ай бұрын
@@saltiresteel6647 Yes, this is true as well. Maybe some of the players DO understand that there can be no fair comparison made just by looking at the number of century breaks being made, or 147s. Stephen Hendry, for one, ought to know, and Steve Davis and Jimmy White surely do. The difference is more obvious in golf, where I expect even Gary Player, in his eighties, is able to hit the ball farther than he did in his twenties. But it seems that neophilia is the order of the day, and that homage must be paid to modernity, no matter how much or how little it merits it.
@Simon-pg1ts
@Simon-pg1ts 8 ай бұрын
@@dangermouse8466 Perhaps he does, and he's just going through the TV Interview ritual of saying the "right" thing in a slightly different way from how the others are saying it. Shaun Murphy came closest to letting the cat out of the bag, I thought. Well done him!
@sah3173.
@sah3173. 8 ай бұрын
More to do with the barrels of beer old darts players used to drink!
@LeftWinger9
@LeftWinger9 8 ай бұрын
I thought Williams was on the wind up as he's mates with Hendry 😂. Loved Ali Carter's honesty.
@amac1657
@amac1657 8 ай бұрын
Like Murphy said if we had a tardis but do the opposite and transport todays top 16 to 50s, 60s, 70s . I doubt they would be anywhere near the way they play now on those conditions. Smoke filled rooms, heavy cloth/ heavy balls no table heaters . Today’s players are pampered and have the best of everything no wonder it looks like the standard is better. Same with every sport equipment and training methods improved. Thats why I’d say it’s an impossible question to ever prove who’s the greatest.
@nickhaswell6011
@nickhaswell6011 Ай бұрын
Yep agreed they had tougher conditions back then for sure, davis in his prime was very capable at break building but he said he never use to go for century breaks as he fealt like it would bok him for the next frame, not that he was deliberatly missing just wasnt putting his heart into it, but jimmy certainly had the ability but its difficult with jimmy because of hes antics the drink drugs partying etc, and hes nerves at important moments got the better of him but on form he certainly should be in there
@amac1657
@amac1657 Ай бұрын
@ 💯 the players themselves haven’t just changed in the last 40-50 years but the only things that have are the conditions. It’s only explanation for the reason the standard appears better.
@danielosullivan7940
@danielosullivan7940 8 ай бұрын
Milligan, Cleese, Everett….. sessions! David Brent
@GamingRobioto
@GamingRobioto 8 ай бұрын
Rory Bremner
@donovanpain83
@donovanpain83 8 ай бұрын
They all fused Flashdance with MC Hammer sh*t...
@danielosullivan7940
@danielosullivan7940 8 ай бұрын
@@donovanpain83 😂
@donovanpain83
@donovanpain83 8 ай бұрын
@@danielosullivan7940 The Office will be watched in 50 years and looked on as pure genuis. Don't think Gavin and Stacey will...
@danielosullivan7940
@danielosullivan7940 8 ай бұрын
Einstein and newton just don’t quite cut it 😂
@Mantis_Toboggan_MD.
@Mantis_Toboggan_MD. 8 ай бұрын
Prime Stephen Hendry crammed 7 world titles into the space of 10 years. He also won a plethora of other events and was world No1 for about 8 years or so. I don’t think that sort of sustained dominance will ever be repeated. A lot of players win the world championship and then struggle to go again because they’ve achieved their lifetime ambition and so some of the fire has gone out of them.
@timokautto7349
@timokautto7349 8 ай бұрын
Also, you can't compare the 70s and 80s to modern era when there are big tournaments almost any week, whereas in those days there were only some 6 or seven all year. Ronnie has taken all the records because now it is so much more easy - in that regard.
@JoeBloggz-x2j
@JoeBloggz-x2j Ай бұрын
Also there were a lot less ranking titles then, so any triple crown argument doesn’t stand up.
@klausolekristiansen2960
@klausolekristiansen2960 3 күн бұрын
Hendry did not have much opposition. O'Sullivan won his seven world titles in the age of John Higgins, Selby and Mark Williams.
@scorps192
@scorps192 8 ай бұрын
As long as John higgins is mentioned I'm happy. He's been unbelievable to watch for 30 years. Obviously ronnie but I'm Scottish 😅
@gwyn111
@gwyn111 8 ай бұрын
O'Sullivan, Hendry, Davis, Alex Higgins, Reardon. In that order. There's an argument for Joe Davis, but the game then was so different we don't really know his standard if he had equivalent training and practice to others
@craigrothwell6144
@craigrothwell6144 2 ай бұрын
He was automatically in the final as the previous years winner, Only had to play 1 match.
@amac1657
@amac1657 8 ай бұрын
I liked Murphy’s comment on how everything has changed except the colour of the cloth. It’s impossible to say if fred Davis or reardon started out with today’s equipment ie super fine cloth, heated tables 1g balls better lighting and great venues . No doubt these guys would not only compete but they’d be up there winning because their champions. They had something other people didn’t have. And it’s the same with Davis and Hendry both of them would have won much more in today’s game with the amount of tournaments we have now. It’s incredible to think they won so many titles considering there was hardly any ranking events at the time.
@wizzgamer
@wizzgamer 8 ай бұрын
Fred Davis was well past his peak in the Reardon era despite getting to later stages of tournaments in his late 50s to mid 60s this tells us his much better brother Joe Davis would have dominated the 70s at his peak and probably 80s minimum.
@amac1657
@amac1657 8 ай бұрын
@@wizzgamernot sure you understand my point? The greatest players of each era would have been great players in todays game no doubt with much better conditions and equipment. I’m not taking about who was past their best when I’m only say peak Davis Joe or Fred would thrive in todays game with the fantastic conditions. Flip it the other way and send today’s pampered top 16 to the 1950s conditions and they’d struggle to make 50 . That’s way I always think the debate of who’s the greatest is impossible to say. There’s no way to prove it.
@anyexpat
@anyexpat Ай бұрын
Its like in golf the endless Tiger or Jack debate. Tiger was the best of his generation without question, Jack the same, thats about all your can say
@terencemeikle534
@terencemeikle534 8 ай бұрын
For me, Shaun Murphy's selection is the most relatable of all: to have included that wily old fox, Ray Reardon, shows a very fine discernment. And no list can be credible without Mr. Interesting Davis in it: he was the ultimate disabler of an opponent's game-plan. Anyone who misses Steve out either didn't ever see him in action or forgets how utterly ruthless he was.
@markhoad5921
@markhoad5921 8 ай бұрын
Absolute nonsense!!
@terencemeikle534
@terencemeikle534 8 ай бұрын
​@markhoad5921 Try saying that to Davis's opponents of the 1980's, who were pinned to their chairs for most of the match, or faced with shots where the cue ball was welded to the baulk cushion.
@paulwilliams8389
@paulwilliams8389 8 ай бұрын
I agree. Davis easily makes the top 5 on my list.
@rorus9530
@rorus9530 8 ай бұрын
I really liked Shawn Murphys answer.
@dangermouse8466
@dangermouse8466 8 ай бұрын
He wasn't wrong.
@kevintwine2315
@kevintwine2315 8 ай бұрын
I love how concerned Milkins looked 😂
@ArranVid
@ArranVid 8 ай бұрын
In my opinion: 1. Stephen Hendry 2. Ronnie O'Sullivan 3. Steve Davis 4. John Higgins 5. Mark Williams I know many of you Ronnie fans will have a go at my ranking for putting Stephen over Ronnie, but this is prime Stephen we are talking about. Prime Stephen did not have the yips that he suffered from later on in his life, and prime Stephen did not have his cue broken. He says that his cue was like an extension of his arm, and he won 5 World Championships with that same, funny-looking cue...so it must have had an impact on him when his cue broke in the aeroplane. Look at some of the great matches between Stephen and Ronnie when Stephen was near the top of his game...like the Victoria thing in 1997 I think it was...when Stephen potted 147 in the final frame. I know that Ronnie is a great legend too, like Stephen. For me, it's hard to choose who is better between Stephen and Ronnie. I would not mind putting Ronnie as number 1 and Stephen as number 2. It is not an easy call to make for me. Maybe Ronnie is number 1, I don't know. I think as he got older, his long potting game went down...I mean Stephen Hendry.
@demetrimanasses6240
@demetrimanasses6240 8 ай бұрын
Genuinely don’t understand people saying Hendry won against weaker competition when his competition then is still winning now. He made 7 centuries in a first to 10 match! Still a record for any one match. Who wouldn’t that beat? In the past there was typically a top 4 players winning most of the tournaments. There are more good players now and the ability to win doesn’t drop off as much below 8-16, so it’s harder to get through earlier rounds, but the *best* players aren’t better now than the *best* players in the 90’s. The 80’s were different, but the popularity of snooker on TV meant a big increase in the talent pool from then on. Hendry raised the bar in terms of winning in a single visit and aggression in the late 80’s. It was him that made certain difficult shots routine and the players like the 92 trio had to meet that standard for the rest of the decade. Does anyone really think Higgins and Williams are better now than in their prime 1997-2004? Hendry wouldn’t dominate now like he did then, but the suggestion he wouldn’t be regularly beating current top 4 players like Mark Allen is laughable.
@Mantis_Toboggan_MD.
@Mantis_Toboggan_MD. 8 ай бұрын
Exactly. Hendry was the first player to combine the all out attacking style of Higgins/White and combine it with the determination & dedication to practice of Steve Davis. Davis changed the sport in the 80's, in terms of the amount of practice hours you have to put in to reach the top Hendry took it to a whole other level in the 90's in terms of shot making & break building
@reds005
@reds005 8 ай бұрын
Totally agree. Prime Hendry would be winning titles today without question. The 2024 WC for a start!
@dvidclapperton
@dvidclapperton 8 ай бұрын
Nobody would ever have won 7+ world titles in a decade 3 decades running. Nobody makes centuries in back to back visits 4 times to come to 8 centuries in a whole 8 frame multisession. 147's in back to back visits of a world semi final or final, no way. Nobody has ever made 6 centuries in the same 8 frame multisession before. 7 centuries have only ever been made in a match by a person(s) just once including at the Crucible. Well 7 centuries by a person(s) has/have been achieved at the Crucible before, so 7 centuries in a match is a record for the Crucible. Hendry is not the only player to have made 7 centuries in a match looking at the stats of various websites quoting results and breaks made.
@Patthis67
@Patthis67 8 ай бұрын
Higgins and Williams primes were around 2000-2010. Hendry never beat them many times during that period as he was in decline. If Jimmy hadn't been so messed up Hendry wouldn't have 7 titles.
@dvidclapperton
@dvidclapperton 8 ай бұрын
@@Patthis67 Hendry won 2 (of the last 3 thst he won) out of the last 5 world championships of the 1990's beating Williams or O'Sullivan, or both on the way, first in 1995 and then 1999. First time Hendry played Williams was in 1997, Hendry won but it was only in round 2 not the semi final, but he didn't go on and win the tournament. Some claim that John Higgins and Williams were at their peaks pre 1996 when Hendry was still winning the world championship every year. Hendry never played Higgins at all at the Crucible in the 1990's, and only met O'Sullivan and Williams at the deepest pointa of the world championships in the semi final and final of thr world championships in 1999. If they were all at their peaks whem Hendry was winnimg 5 in a row at the Crucible 1992 to 1996 why weren't all 3 of them also in the top 4 at the same time during that period and meeting the 3 of them on a regular basis in the world semi final and final.
@MSV19801
@MSV19801 8 ай бұрын
If Mark Williams hadn't downed tools for over a decade he would be viewed as easily better than the likes of Higgins and Selby.
@koppes8021
@koppes8021 8 ай бұрын
It's funny that he is often viewed as an underachiever even though he has won almost 30 Titles (including 3 Worlds and the triple crown in one Season). Shows the massive talent and understanding of the game he (still) has.
@kirkhogan2688
@kirkhogan2688 8 ай бұрын
Ronnie osullivan Stephen hendry Steve Davis John Higgins Jimmy White I nw jimmy white never won the world's but he got to six finals...a great player and people's champion, I put Steve davis in as he won 6 titles, his safety play was the best .. Hard to compare as the tables, balls etc are alot better than back in the day, Stephen hendry was a brilliant player, all out attack.
@kirkhogan2688
@kirkhogan2688 8 ай бұрын
I miss out two Mark Selby Mark williams
@logitech2010100
@logitech2010100 8 ай бұрын
Jimmy white just no. Champion in choking as harsh as it is to say.
@Acanofbeer
@Acanofbeer 8 ай бұрын
Not even in the top 10 is Jimmy White. Are u kidding?
@terrytownsend5583
@terrytownsend5583 4 ай бұрын
We don’t care what you think. Batty boy
@kirkhogan2688
@kirkhogan2688 4 ай бұрын
Terry the tosser
@countbasie20
@countbasie20 8 ай бұрын
ronnie, hendry, davis, higgins, selby
@adamski101
@adamski101 8 ай бұрын
I would have to agree with this.
@paulwilliams8389
@paulwilliams8389 8 ай бұрын
Good call by Shaun Murphy to include Reardon - totally agree with everything he said about him. And the way the game is progressing I guarantee that by the year 2074 (assuming the game is still going!) there will be people saying "O'Sullivan? Hendry? Selby? They couldn't compete with the players of today."
@Costa_del_Artlepool
@Costa_del_Artlepool Ай бұрын
It'll be one helluva high standard if they can ever look back and say O'Sullivan couldn't compete. They'd have to be taking turns making 4 minute maximums.
@michaelmerrill3958
@michaelmerrill3958 Ай бұрын
Best answer I've heard.
@darrenvidler5298
@darrenvidler5298 8 ай бұрын
Steve Davis was the bench mark, with out him snooker would not be what it is today!
@techsamurai11
@techsamurai11 8 ай бұрын
Absolutely! He and then Hendry paved the way.
@jefferybilling9093
@jefferybilling9093 8 ай бұрын
Wrong Davis should be Joe
@darrenvidler5298
@darrenvidler5298 8 ай бұрын
@@jefferybilling9093 do not understand!?
@jefferybilling9093
@jefferybilling9093 8 ай бұрын
@@darrenvidler5298 Joe Davis, the 15 times world champion and unbeaten in a competition match. Watching him play was magic, especially when you consider the equipment, balls, cloth etc.at that time.
@monsieurlazer48
@monsieurlazer48 7 ай бұрын
​@@jefferybilling9093He competed against a handful of players in events that could barely be called tournaments.
@demetrimanasses6240
@demetrimanasses6240 8 ай бұрын
All the people putting Hendry below Higgins and Williams seem to forget he did beat them at their best. And the difference between him and O’Sullivan at their best was minimal. The Liverpool Victoria Challenge in 1997 was the highest quality match I’ve ever seen.
@mikescorpio13
@mikescorpio13 8 ай бұрын
Hendry will always be the best player ever for a period of time just like Tiger Woods was and Jack Nicklaus was before him.
@Stantheman848
@Stantheman848 8 ай бұрын
Hendry is so far above john higgins... these robots are being ridiculous.
@rugpulla
@rugpulla 8 ай бұрын
@@Stantheman848Matchplay aside also Higgins is a match fixer so that docks him some points in my book
@raqeebahmed9932
@raqeebahmed9932 8 ай бұрын
But all the players say higgins is the most complete player ever.
@mikescorpio13
@mikescorpio13 8 ай бұрын
@@raqeebahmed9932 definitely the most balance in skillsets offense-defense-knowledge of the game experience-pressure he can do it all at a high level.
@sz4128
@sz4128 8 ай бұрын
When comparing different eras in any sport we have to assume that the players would have the same equipment and conditions as the players they’re being compared to. So Ronnie being bought up in the 70’s and hitting his prime in the 80’s or Hendry and Davis being bought up in the 90’s and hitting their prime in the noughties etc.
@englishman1960
@englishman1960 2 ай бұрын
i go for Joe Davis, Fred Davis, John Pulman, John Spencer & Ray Reardon
@reds005
@reds005 8 ай бұрын
Prime Ronnie against Prime Hendry in a one off match would be epic. Not as cut and dry as some might think.
@stephenduckham9736
@stephenduckham9736 8 ай бұрын
Great shout on Reardon!
@rain_down_
@rain_down_ 8 ай бұрын
O'Sullivan, Hendry surely has to be the top two in any sort of analysis.
@gwyn111
@gwyn111 8 ай бұрын
Yes, John Higgins above a 90s Hendry makes no sense.
@dudleygillham2295
@dudleygillham2295 8 ай бұрын
Brilliant assessment
@guesty1989
@guesty1989 8 ай бұрын
1) Ronnie 2) Hendry 3) John Higgins 4) Williams 5) Selby
@jmarsh5485
@jmarsh5485 8 ай бұрын
1 - Ronnie (genius) 2 - Higgins (match player) 3 - Hendry (fearless) 4 - Selby (torturer) 5 - Davis (match player) 6 - Williams (genius) 7 - Reardon (psychologist) 8 - Ebdon (spiritual healer)
@GarethHaynes
@GarethHaynes 8 ай бұрын
1 Ronnie 2 Hendry 3 Davis 4 J Higgins 5 Selby 6 Williams 7 R Reardon 8 A Higgins 9 J Trump 10 N Robertson
@unaysqureshi1685
@unaysqureshi1685 8 ай бұрын
@@GarethHaynes I agree with this order entirely... maybe switching A Higgins and Trump, but that can be argued both ways.
@V7ad7
@V7ad7 8 күн бұрын
Carter said everything very correctly. No Steve Davis or Reardon would win so much today. When any top player loses to Wu Yize or Jackson Page in the second round, it is immediately clear that now the competition is completely different than before.
@darrenmcgowan3932
@darrenmcgowan3932 8 ай бұрын
Ray Reardon said he would love to play today. Today's players never had a full-time job before been a snooker player.
@user-hq7qj2mu4n
@user-hq7qj2mu4n 8 ай бұрын
Reardon, Charlton and Thorburn wouldn't be charging around the table today.
@suvarnachauhan951
@suvarnachauhan951 8 ай бұрын
Should’ve interviewed Mark Selby , John Higgins , Hendry and Ronnie too
@tonyrodeo3321
@tonyrodeo3321 8 ай бұрын
What am I missing with these top pros having hendry below Higgins etc?
@alikhorram1283
@alikhorram1283 8 ай бұрын
Very decent and realistic opinion. My choice of the best current players would be Ronnie, Judd, Higgins, William and Selby.
@jimmyk9523
@jimmyk9523 8 ай бұрын
O'sullivan Hendry Davis Reardon White
@davidmcglone4865
@davidmcglone4865 8 ай бұрын
Ron Hendo Higgins Williams Selby
@AlanBrown-d8w
@AlanBrown-d8w 8 ай бұрын
That’s my pick as well 👍
@Stantheman848
@Stantheman848 8 ай бұрын
If alex maybe.john higgins and williams are so average
@dangermouse8466
@dangermouse8466 8 ай бұрын
1. Ronnie 2. Hendry 3. S. Davis 4. J. Higgins 5. Selby
@dgeneratio1
@dgeneratio1 8 ай бұрын
i think this is a fair list. I never saw Reardon compete so i can't say him.
@dangermouse8466
@dangermouse8466 8 ай бұрын
@@dgeneratio1 Yes, that's why I left him out. I can only comment from the time I've been watching ie from 1981 onwards.
@dangermouse8466
@dangermouse8466 8 ай бұрын
Ok, to be fair, I did watch some of Reardon's matches but not enough to make an informed opinion.
@alexandrupanica3761
@alexandrupanica3761 9 күн бұрын
Ali Carter read our minds...
@pyrrhicvictory6978
@pyrrhicvictory6978 8 ай бұрын
1. Ronnie 2. Hendry 3. Higgins 4. Selby 5. Davis
@michaelhughes6270
@michaelhughes6270 8 ай бұрын
Just a mention for John Spencer here, 3 times world champion when it wasn`t a best of 35 final but double that !!!
@SURGASURGE12
@SURGASURGE12 8 ай бұрын
I would say 1. Ronnie 2. John Higgins 3. Selby 4. Hendry 5. Willo
@jmarsh5485
@jmarsh5485 8 ай бұрын
1 - Ronnie (genius) 2 - Higgins (match player) 3 - Hendry (fearless) 4 - Selby (torturer) 5 - Davis (match player) 6 - Williams (genius) 7 - Reardon (psychologist) 8 - Ebdon (spiritual healer)
@Revolver1981
@Revolver1981 8 ай бұрын
Don't dare put Selby ahead of Hendry again lol.
@SURGASURGE12
@SURGASURGE12 8 ай бұрын
@@Revolver1981 Selby has Hendry's breakbuilding abilities but with a better tactical game, and is the only player in history to beat Ronnie in all 3 TC finals. Before you bring up stats, Selby had to compete with a prime Class of 92 as well as Trump, Robertson, Murphy, Allen etc all in their primes.
@Revolver1981
@Revolver1981 8 ай бұрын
@@SURGASURGE12 Hendry in his day was unbeatable.
@Stantheman848
@Stantheman848 8 ай бұрын
You would be so wrong.
@TheJohnCooperShow
@TheJohnCooperShow 8 ай бұрын
1. ronnie 2. hendry 3. selby 4. higgins 5. Davis
@jmarsh5485
@jmarsh5485 8 ай бұрын
1 - Ronnie (genius) 2 - Higgins (match player) 3 - Hendry (fearless) 4 - Selby (torturer) 5 - Davis (match player) 6 - Williams (genius) 7 - Reardon (psychologist) 8 - Ebdon (spiritual healer)
@leemendez7876
@leemendez7876 8 ай бұрын
1, Ronnie 2, Hendry 3, Williams 4, Higgins 5, Davis
@jmarsh5485
@jmarsh5485 8 ай бұрын
1 - Ronnie (genius) 2 - Higgins (match player) 3 - Hendry (fearless) 4 - Selby (torturer) 5 - Davis (match player) 6 - Williams (genius) 7 - Reardon (psychologist) 8 - Ebdon (spiritual healer)
@dannyblack4815
@dannyblack4815 8 ай бұрын
What higgins? John or Alex?
@dannyblack4815
@dannyblack4815 8 ай бұрын
@@DannyShine well different people might have different opinions mate
@tigernorm713
@tigernorm713 8 ай бұрын
I really think Steve Davis has got to be top 5 regardless of anything
@Vlow52
@Vlow52 8 ай бұрын
They all saying about how modern standards are too high for an old players, but what they don’t get is human mind adapts pretty quickly. Changing the strategy of a play is not a change of ability of precise potting, I think some players from 70-90s would make it pretty high today if they were in their prime.
@snookerstones
@snookerstones 8 ай бұрын
Murphy spot on
@Broonzied
@Broonzied 8 ай бұрын
Shaun Murphy is spot on. Comparing players from differemnt eras does not work. Each new generation has more to learn from so of course standards go up. Reardon, Davies, Hendry and O'Sullivan all dominated in their time, and as a player, that is all you can do.
@richboy900
@richboy900 8 ай бұрын
Ronnie Hendry Higgins Davis Selby Neil Robertson a good few years ago would have been up there imo, but his form has dropped a lot lately. You also see incredible players like Trump, Robertson, Selby get beat by underdogs at times
@joeflemo64
@joeflemo64 8 ай бұрын
in their prime
@Aisatsana1971
@Aisatsana1971 2 ай бұрын
Has robertson won the world champ?
@richboy900
@richboy900 2 ай бұрын
@@Aisatsana1971 he did back in 2010
@Aisatsana1971
@Aisatsana1971 2 ай бұрын
@ im surprised more didnt pick him then…in his prime i dont think anyone but ronnie beats him.
@richboy900
@richboy900 2 ай бұрын
@@Aisatsana1971 there was a time he got 100 centuries in a season as well. That is a phenomenal achievement. Like back around then, if Ronnie didn't win the tournament I'd have bet on Robertson as the one to then win it. He's not the same player he once was though, he recently had to qualify to play in the top 16. I'd even say he should have more titles to his name given his caliber back then.
@stephensiler3854
@stephensiler3854 8 ай бұрын
Brilliant.
@AcharyaNarayan59
@AcharyaNarayan59 8 ай бұрын
Stephen Henry below 2 is crime!
@CountMackula
@CountMackula 8 ай бұрын
Williams over Hendry, is quite frankly, ridiculous.
@alex1983977
@alex1983977 8 ай бұрын
Totally agree people forget that Hendry won 5 of his world titles when Ronnie Higgins and Williams were pros. Hendry's cue getting broken was like taking the elder wand... carrer fell off a cliff afterwards
@hassanwaqie6665
@hassanwaqie6665 8 ай бұрын
​@@alex1983977 Very few can understand that
@thelukos
@thelukos 8 ай бұрын
When comparing era’s, a lot of people forget the technology has changed too. Hendry probably first introduced breaking open the pack early and trying to win a frame in one visit, But when davis and Reardon were in their prime, the cloths were thick and slow compared to today’s ultra fine cloths. If you tried to break open the pack on them the balls would hardly move!
@PlayMoreGolf-RipOff
@PlayMoreGolf-RipOff 8 ай бұрын
1. Ronnie 2. Hendry No arguments that is just fact! They played each other when both where in there prime at peak level… and it was bloody close
@mrindecisive100
@mrindecisive100 8 ай бұрын
So what Ali Carter was actually saying is that he is a better snooker player than Alex Higgins was. I don't think he appreciates how much easier today's conditions are compared to the 70s and 80s. Alex Higgins is a legend of the sport, while Ali Carter is just a very good snooker player.
@shellsbignumber2
@shellsbignumber2 8 ай бұрын
If were talking the best player after having a few light ales down them, then Alex Higgins is in a class of his own. 🍺
@zbigniewczaykowski514
@zbigniewczaykowski514 8 ай бұрын
If we're talking a few dozen light ales then it's Bill Werbeniuk.
@LethalMartialArtist
@LethalMartialArtist 8 ай бұрын
A passed his prime Hendry, beat hunter, O’Sullivan, Steven’s and Williams to win his 7th world championship.
@rwachwater4408
@rwachwater4408 8 ай бұрын
I never understand how the talk is always hendry and Davis wouldn’t compete and the argument being they were different times. Well if them two came thru today at the beginning of the career and growing up learning to play the modern way, they would be competing for world number 1. Apart from the Chinese players and the old guard, the standard has slipped. As much as I like Gilbert, the Wilson’s, Carter - they wouldn’t get near hendry, Davis and even white and Higgins. Remember hendry made 4 more world finals from 97-2002 with the class of 92 had begun winning majors and his interest was waning
@lf67hh28
@lf67hh28 8 ай бұрын
Hendry created the modern breakbuilding game that everyone currently uses. He probably lacked the safety play of Higgins, but there's never been a better attacking player. He is literally the blueprint, and was the best at it. 😊
@Noel-ji8nm
@Noel-ji8nm 8 ай бұрын
They were differentime, the pockets were smaller in those days.
@michaelmulhall5007
@michaelmulhall5007 8 ай бұрын
@@lf67hh28Peiple forget this also hendry played to a level in the final of the uk against Ken that none of them and I mean none them can play too not even Ronnie. Ronnie is the greatest but hendry butchers him in a one table long format game both at the best
@lf67hh28
@lf67hh28 8 ай бұрын
@michaelmulhall5007 Ronnie himself still states that Hendry was a level above him at his peak...that's all you need to know, really.
@hertor8803
@hertor8803 8 ай бұрын
I agree. This ridiculous underpaying of Steve Davis. Well I watched him and he was class above every other player in his prime and would beat most of the Top 16 now. You think Davis couldn't beat Murphy? Theres also this myth that he was just a great tactical player but he was actually an incredible breakbuilder, way better than everyone around him. There was a time when he was on 300 plus centuries when everyone else was well below 200 (apart from Jimmy). I remember him getting 3 centuries in a row in one match and of course the first televised 147. Have a look at that break on YT and you'll see how good he was, at a time when tables had a big nap and the balls were much heavier (they didnt ping apart like they do at the slightest touch now). People get confused. The game hasn't evolved its just changed and Steve was one of the first to actually change it.
@mtns7036
@mtns7036 8 ай бұрын
Yes its tough to compare eras if you want to it goes on numbers
@salafatic
@salafatic 8 ай бұрын
Ronnie Mark Williams Paul Hunter Stephen Lee Stephen Hendry Steve Davis Ding
@jmarsh5485
@jmarsh5485 8 ай бұрын
Ding over Robertson and Judd?! Paul Hunter because he died?
@oliverbeard7912
@oliverbeard7912 8 ай бұрын
Glad someone brought up Paul Hunter. Taken too soon and could have accomplished much more I feel.Judd not really mentioned, which I feel should be in more people's lists. So many good players now,making it a harder choice than when Davis and Hendry were dominating. I'm just really pleased to have enjoyed them all. Ronnie is pretty much top of everyone's list understandably.
@vngrd3610
@vngrd3610 7 ай бұрын
@@jmarsh5485paul hunter won the masters 3 times which is not bad
@FootkerSnooball
@FootkerSnooball 2 ай бұрын
​@vngrd3610 No one said he was a bad player but they're talking about best ever. Maybe if he was still alive people might be a bit more realistic about those 3 Masters in 4 years that it was a lucky competition for him in that period, 3 deciding frame final wins from big deficits which he still did well to win but look at the WorldChampionships he only reached 1 semi-final. Yes he didn't get to play too long but the likes of Hendry Williams Higgins etc...all had more success in the competition by before the age that Hunter got ill. I do think the likes of Selby benefited a lot by Hunter no longer being on the tour, he started to appear in finals from just after Hunter's death and wouldn't have been as successful and everyone who has been likewise wouldn't be quite as successful because Hunter was a good player (Higgins looked like he missed his chance to win any more Worlds and then he won his next less than a year after Hunter died vs Selby which was 9 years after his first and had a further 2 more by 2011) but he still isn't 1of the all-time greats.
@adrianwright8685
@adrianwright8685 8 ай бұрын
3:02 Carter for me the most realistic especially about comparing modern with former greats
@dwhhhhhhhhhh
@dwhhhhhhhhhh 8 ай бұрын
hendry was a terminator at his prime. it’s be a stand up fight w prime ronnie but still think he’d do him
@adamlancaster77
@adamlancaster77 7 күн бұрын
I Love The Love For Mark Williams, What A Player, Character And A Nice Guy
@techsamurai11
@techsamurai11 8 ай бұрын
I hate these questions because they always end up making people look bad. Steve Davis would have been competitive today - you're the product of your generation. He'd probably have 900 centuries if he played today. The thing about champions is not their skill, it's their adaptability and if it takes 1,000 centuries to win, they'd shoot 1,000 centuries...
@ryanyates6761
@ryanyates6761 8 ай бұрын
god carter is a bundle of joy aint he
@alanhodges8839
@alanhodges8839 8 ай бұрын
Mark Williams is the top all rounder. Alan from Crumlin, just down a few villages from where Mark use to live. And I’m not biased.
@brianmagicman3556
@brianmagicman3556 8 ай бұрын
Oh get lost you are definitely 100% biased Ronnie O'Sullivan and John Higgins are the best all round players Williams would be in the top 5 but first? No way You're biased all day long because of where you live
@oldboy5001
@oldboy5001 8 ай бұрын
And the other three? ;)
@alanhodges8839
@alanhodges8839 8 ай бұрын
Some people don’t understand certain jokes.
@brianmagicman3556
@brianmagicman3556 8 ай бұрын
@alanhodges8839 You call that a joke? What a lame and pathetic comeback for such a shit comment you gave You're clearly arrogant and biased and your comment just then proves me right BIASED !!!!!!!!
@Axispaw1
@Axispaw1 7 ай бұрын
I agree with Murphy about comparing generations. People often forget that the tables the guys in the 70s and 80s played on are like the average club table today, and how often do we see videos of current pros playing on average club tables and complaining they can't get the spin they need, miss shots etc. Give the 70s/80s players the pro tables and cues of today and see how they do.
@Maxlump
@Maxlump 8 ай бұрын
Steve Davis was light years ahead of anyone in his era , he would not only hold his own today but he would be a top 6 player.
@Paulhanratty885
@Paulhanratty885 8 ай бұрын
Top 2
@Jofishgolf
@Jofishgolf 2 ай бұрын
steve davis would be a formidable player in todays game. one of the best safety players with 400 centuries
@Joker-yw9hl
@Joker-yw9hl 8 ай бұрын
Good to see Selbs and Williams getting the respect they deserve. Stephen Hendry might deserve a bit more praise though.
@jonnyy1495
@jonnyy1495 8 ай бұрын
Davis and Hendry should always be in the mix but a prime Ronnie would probably win more often.
@mervyncharter
@mervyncharter 8 ай бұрын
I`ve always felt that the Two Players with the Most God Given talent were Alex Higgins and Jimmy White. Sure they weren`t the most consistent or disciplined but these two could do things on a snooker table that few others could.
@franzherflek4116
@franzherflek4116 8 ай бұрын
Yes, like take a line of coke of ir
@richboy900
@richboy900 8 ай бұрын
Judd as well possibly, some of the shots he pulls off are unbelievable
@wideernie
@wideernie 8 ай бұрын
Hendry had a century within a year of playing for the first time!
@yttommy76
@yttommy76 8 ай бұрын
Ronnie would beat them both with a cue in his left foot …. The only genuine comparison is hendry v Ronnie. I think hendry was the best tbh ….ronnie more take talent but hendrys head and temperament
@neilgilder4036
@neilgilder4036 2 ай бұрын
​@yttommy76 somehow I don't think so alex higgins was a genius
@sidneygreen9120
@sidneygreen9120 8 ай бұрын
Eddie Charlton, David Taylor, Patsy Fagan, John Pullman, Peri Mons, Graham Miles
@jefferybilling9093
@jefferybilling9093 8 ай бұрын
Why do the all forget the fifteen time world champion also unbeaten Joe Davis
@ArchieFatcackie
@ArchieFatcackie 8 ай бұрын
Well, there was only about 3 or 4 players around then.
@robertmorris9998
@robertmorris9998 6 күн бұрын
I learned to play by reading Joe Davis’s book. My mechanics were so good from that training I played whole matches in my sleep and competed! He’d probably have a good time on todays tables, because he didn’t miss many pots…
@Maffchops
@Maffchops 8 ай бұрын
The top 5 is Ronnie in 1st and Davis in 5th. J. Higgins, Williams and Hendry in the middle in any order you like it's that close. The interesting question off the back of that would be what do places 6-10 look like? For me, it would have to be Reardon, Selby, A. Higgins, Trump and Robertson - probably in that order.
@mickwhit8332
@mickwhit8332 8 ай бұрын
O’Sullivan Hendry Higgins Selby Williams
@paulbrett3
@paulbrett3 8 ай бұрын
Best ever for me is Ronnie, Hendry, Steve Davis, Higgins, Selby. The mount rushmore of snooker for me.
@reds005
@reds005 8 ай бұрын
Think that’s how I’d have it too
@reallymakesyouthink
@reallymakesyouthink 8 ай бұрын
Nobody got Alex Higgins in top 5? Ok his winning record doesn't match others because he had Davis to compete with but come on.
@Theo-ul8qm
@Theo-ul8qm 8 ай бұрын
I'm surprised everyone had Ronnie at no. 1. I wouldn't be so sure. If all these guys were in their prime at the same time, and played each other, without doubt they would bring each other's standards up. So I think David against all these great players would be even better than he was in his era. Same goes for Hendry. Tough call.
@CoolCoyote
@CoolCoyote 8 ай бұрын
Hurricane Higgins, Ronnie , Hendry, steve Davis, higgins, Selby wow amazing but id have to agree with him being in there , id like to have mark Williams there also btw Jimmy white anyone? he should be there somewhere surely, hed be last probably but hes great. They really think Alex wouldnt play well right now? the table he had to play on was harder.
@mikescorpio13
@mikescorpio13 8 ай бұрын
Alex Higgins would intimidate these new players like they never felt before hahaha he would be my top choice for raw talent only and will to win.Hendry was the beast of the pack.No way new players would have compete with these 2.
@CoolCoyote
@CoolCoyote 8 ай бұрын
@@mikescorpio13 yeah similar thoughts to yours, agree Hendry was like a steamroller but in slower motion rather than like ronnies version lol
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