Spot the DEADLY Mistake | British Midlands 092

[@6yjjk]

As I recall, there was some criticism over the limited differences training - a lesson that had clearly been forgotten by the time the 737 MAX came along.

[@voiceforthevoicelesstruth5480]

Exactly my thought

[@ChadDidNothingWrong]

Those MAX accidents really shouldn't have happened.....at least not two of them. While Boeing was being decently reckless by today's standards considering everything, those carriers were at least equally reckless in their pilot expectations/personality criteria. Basically, alot of the third world has a big issue with hiring people who lack the high level of common sense, clarity, cleverness/flexibility, and fortitude traditionally expected of a pilot here where the industry originally developed, and instead, these carriers opt to compensating for it with just over-training people who can't think on their feet to whatever extreme is required to get them through training. Works 100% until something unexpected happens.....if it isn't on a checklist, such a pilot will crash almost every single time. Only reason I'm giving Boeing just half the blame is in the US and Europe (where most of their new planes have traditionally been sold), this would likely never have happened. Boeing's mistake was really taking advantage of/leaning on those extra high pilot standards, which are not universal and shouldn't ever be _systematically_ relied on anyway.

[@Riverrockphotos]

Yup.

[@PassiveSmoking]

It should be noted here that the cockpit shown here is a far more modern layout than the one that would have been in the accident aircraft. That aircraft has a couple of small MFDs for the pilots, but a lot of the instruments were still analogue. More importantly, the centre console instruments for the engines were a weird hybrid between analogue and digital, with circular dials that had LED "needles" that travelled around the outside of the instrument. What's more, the instruments are organised by function, rather than by engine number (the instruments on the left are not all for engine 1, and the instruments on the right are not all for engine 2). The engine instruments as shown in the reconstruction are heavily redesigned from the ones in the accident aircraft, at least in part due to issues that arose from this very crash. Aside from being replaced with more MFDs, the ergonomics were improved greatly, with the left-hand gauges showing status for engine 1, and right-hand gauges showing the status for engine 2, which is far more intuitive. Additionally, pilots with experience on earlier 737 models never put much weight on the engine vibration gauges anyway, as they were notoriously inaccurate. I don't know if the gauges had been improved in the 400, but it's reasonable to think that the pilots on this flight didn't pay them much attention based on their experience in other 737 models.

[@trevcam6892]

My wife and I with our three children had been visiting friends in Rochester, Kent for a few days and were returning home to Chesterfield on the M1. As we unlocked the door at home the phone was ringing. It was our friends calling us to see if we were OK. They had seen an early report of the crash on the TV, I think. East Midlands Airport was probably only about half an hour or so away. (Just checked. Google maps says it's 42 minutes.) I don't recall the time that we arrived home but we could have only missed being part of the accident by minutes, I'm sure. That section of the M1 is always busy in both directions, even on a Sunday evening in January. It's nothing short of a miracle that no vehicles were involved. It's one of those events that you never forget. My entire family could have been part of it and I guess there's many other M1 travellers from that night who also remember how lucky they were. And how unlucky the poor passengers and crew were that night.

[@bluecoffee8414]

I love your videos. Just a humble feedback. I wish you would cover lesser known crashes that have not been covered eg by air crash investigation

[@brianaustin5467]

Are not all crashes investigated?

[@change_your_oil_regularly4287]

@@brianaustin5467 he means not covered in the TV show by that name.

[@brianaustin5467]

@@change_your_oil_regularly4287 Well there lies the problem of not using capital letters for proper nouns and titles.

[@3Greens]

Thanks mate. Feedback noted 👍

[@Riverrockphotos]

Not everyone watchs that show. All though I bet a lot of people who watch this chanle do.

[@377343]

Its worth pointing out that the -400 variant of the 737 wasn't just new to British Midland in January 1989, this airframe was one of the first -400s to enter service. It should also be noted that initial engine failure was the result of a design flaw in the new version of the CFM56 engine used on the -400. The uprated engines were developed to account for the -400's extra weight, and were one of the first engines upgrades that were certified based on computer modelling rather than in flight testing. The testing failed to identity an issue with the new engine variant that led to multiple engine failures. 5 months after the crash the FAA issued a emergency directive instructing airlines to replace parts on the CF5M6 engine variant fitted to the 737-400 and operate the engine at reduced thrust, and the CAA briefly grounded all British -400s. The lack of training in the differences between the older -200 and latest -400 versions of the 737 contributed to the wrong engine being shut down, but initial failure was the result of a problem with the new engine type.

[@billcurtis7240]

Your reports are concise with no hyping up the facts. Brilliant videos and sound, your the best, thanks.

[@MICKEYISLOWD]

This one always leaves me so sad that the runway was just a stones throw away. Almost bitter.

[@michaelqi5202]

Would setting flaps back to 0 make any difference (would the plane glide longer?) ?

[@fastica]

On the contrary. Flaps allow a plane to glide longer.

[@6yjjk]

@@fastica Pretty sure that BA38 only made it inside the fence because of a decision to retract the flaps.

[@harveysmith100]

There is an optimum glide setting for flaps. Too much flaps and although you gain more lift, the drag it causes reduces the overall glide. No flaps or too little will reduce the drag but also reduce the lift and therefore the overall glide distance. The famous case was the 777 with a double engine failure coming into Heathrow. The Captain used all his pilot skills and chose a none standard flap setting, knowing it would give him the best glide distance. It probable saved a few hundred lives.

[@josephconnor2310]

Great to see a new post by you!

[@lfrankow]

If he’d have kept that right engine running at idle..

[@change_your_oil_regularly4287]

Love your work 👍

[@RonPiggott]

I really wish flight attendants had a web cam of sorts in the shape of a pen that could be attached to their uniform. Then have receivers in the cabin that triangulates their position and allow them to take a photo and have it displayed in the cockpit with what the flight attendant wants the pilot to see.

[@stevencooke6451]

The cabin crew can be a vital source of information. And passengers would certainly feel more comfortable mentioning concerns to a flight attendant.

[@3Greens]

🟢🟢🟢 You can support the channel and see my notes on the accident report on patreon - patreon.com/3greens

[@Raumance]

It's incredible how people don't deliver crucial information.

[@eucliduschaumeau8813]

With video cameras so inexpensive, why do they not have one or two on the tail facing forward?

[@richierich1835]

because it was in 1989 it would be like putting a bazooka on the tail .

[@Andreas-du7eg]

well, flight crew did not observe the vibration indicator, which was giving enough information. So, would they observe cameras and/or would they believe what the images show? The point was, they just were convinced (due to experience) that they *know* it is left hand engine. I'm afraid, any more proofs that actually it is right hand engine would have been unregarded.

[@johnpekkala6941]

@@Andreas-du7eg The vibration indicators were if I remember right also of a new type wich was very hard to read esp when the entire cockpit was shaking and vibrating and so the pilots distrusted and disregared them.

[@Andreas-du7eg]

just curious... Your channel info says the channel is Australian, but I hear an unknown, strong, accent (like "evaaaants", "ocuuuured"). Is this accent Australian or from the U.S.A.?

[@maddyrollinson2443]

It sounds very Australian.

[@Andreas-du7eg]

@@maddyrollinson2443 Thank you. I was unable to find out. I am subscribed to e.g. "Marty's Matchbox Makeovers " from Australia, his English sounds very different. I myself learned "Oxford English" in German school btw. [edit: I have to add, Marty says, he is grown up in England. So he is a British Australian and not a native speaker]

[@maddyrollinson2443]

@@Andreas-du7eg Australian accent varries quite a lot depending on where you're from.

[@sailingtobali]

Sounds Australian to me, mate.

[@carlmora22]

Awww yes, new 3 Greens means its going to be a good day!

[@ronoconnor8971]

Why didnt the pilot put flaps to zero and stowing the landing gear to stretch the glide?

[@harveysmith100]

There is an optimum glide setting for flaps. Too much flaps and although you gain more lift, the drag it causes reduces the overall glide. No flaps or too little will reduce the drag but also reduce the lift and therefore the overall glide distance. The famous case was the 777 with a double engine failure coming into Heathrow. The Captain used all his pilot skills and chose a none standard flap setting, knowing it would give him the best glide distance. It probable saved a few hundred lives.

[@sad1234ee]

Just FYI you need to change the title it is British Midland not British Midlands. Just a little oversight

[@norbert.kiszka]

Pitching up after power loss is not good idea. Better to make little pitch down to glide with better glide ratio and use ground effect earlier - much more chance to survive.

[@AwesomeAngryBiker]

Not one motorist is harmed on the BUSY M1, perhaps due to the light traffic 😂😂

[@LeeAirVideos]

Flight time to BFS from LHR is 1 hour

[@kevinbarry71]

"Stretching the glide" is a wonderful way to run out of air speed, spin, crash, die

[@Jabarri74]

If you have no engines you have to. There vids around of a plane doing it over the pacific but not at that altitude

[@don1965don]

Ground effect. While Olympic Airways 411 had a engine failure. It was ground effect that saved them.

[@theaboy1and2together48]

Cool

[@DJHEADPHONENINJA]

waow

[@KongKurs]

This guy sounds like the Top15s narrator if you ordered him on Wish

[@asdf3568]

"Sorry to bother you". That flight attendant should be fired for not informing them of the fire on engine 1. Edit: OK, she's dead

[@andyserkiz3384]

I'm not an expert but in that last moment they would be probably better off if they retracted the flaps pitching the nose down.

[@harveysmith100]

There is an optimum glide setting for flaps. Too much flaps and although you gain more lift, the drag it causes reduces the overall glide. No flaps or too little will reduce the drag but also reduce the lift and therefore the overall glide distance. The famous case was the 777 with a double engine failure coming into Heathrow. The Captain used all his pilot skills and chose a none standard flap setting, knowing it would give him the best glide distance. It probable saved a few hundred lives.

[@juliemanarin4127]

Yeah they shut down the wrong engine I think

[@TrentFalkenrath]

Hey, who said my name?

[@watsoncrumbie1523]

; m j avilla

[@luisito6314]

The passengers not saying anything because they thought the pilots would know better??!! What a sheepy conformisty thing to say lmao. If my life depends on it im gonna say wha t I saw

[@TheHorrorDevotee]

The accent of the Captain makes me cringe