Springfield Armory Hellcat vs Taurus G2C...Which is better???

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@sterlingmack5394
@sterlingmack5394 3 жыл бұрын
My G2C NEVER has jammed once and NO malfunctions and almost 900 rounds have gone thru it. It eats all 9mm steel and brass ammo. Clean your firearms
@mr.38special65
@mr.38special65 3 жыл бұрын
As I said in the video it was the first time I've ever had a problem and I know I've had well over I don't know a buttload around of all kinds except for these reloads and this was the first time it's done it
@YouTalkinToMeBro
@YouTalkinToMeBro 3 жыл бұрын
I have over 2000 through my g2c. Only 2 failure to fire, that was with 115 grain. It loves 124 and 148 grain.
@hondaservicecenter
@hondaservicecenter 2 жыл бұрын
Only time my g2c has probs is when you slide release with short flat ammo
@hondaservicecenter
@hondaservicecenter 2 жыл бұрын
If manualy racked no probs
@bradenclark8505
@bradenclark8505 6 ай бұрын
Never had an issue with my g2c except operator error 😅, I my hold was too high and the damn slide gashes my thumb, the cartridge jumped out the chamber turned around and racked the cartridge upside down into the barrel, range master had to run a rod through to free it out. One in a million chance.
@BackAfter10
@BackAfter10 2 жыл бұрын
I've shot both. And overall based on price I purchased the G2C. I have now 1000 rounds on the pistol. No jams of any kind thus far. As for the laser set up from Taurus. Black Friday I was able to get the Viridian Red Dot w/2 Mags for $100. I'm so confident thus far with the G2C as both a EDC and Home defense that I will probably buy a second G2C just for the house. Good Video Guys! New Sub.
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 2 жыл бұрын
We appreciate it.
@Badrs2810
@Badrs2810 3 жыл бұрын
Just watched this and wanted to give a little tip. When breaking down the G2c, you first need to pull the slide back, slightly, then pull the breakdown pins...the breakdown can happen in less than a second, when you slightly pull the slide back...
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 3 жыл бұрын
Cool. I'll let him know. I appreciate it.
@edwardsekera6915
@edwardsekera6915 2 жыл бұрын
Just like a glock
@ChefSaucey_G
@ChefSaucey_G 11 ай бұрын
Just bought my G2c Thursday. Get to pick it up this Thursday. First firearms purchase. Paid 245 came with 2 magazines. Looking forward to going to the range after this.
@AnimeUnitedBR
@AnimeUnitedBR 2 жыл бұрын
As a G2c brazilian owner I shoot almost 1500 round and haven’t seen any bad functions at all. Brazilians usually buys g2c because is more cheap. In Brazil g2c cost 3k and the hellcat cost 12k at least (I’m talking real brazilian currency), any ways. great budget gun. By the way: In Brazil g2c comes with hard plastic case and 3 magazines, not in the paper box as in US.
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 2 жыл бұрын
WHAT?!? You guys get a box? Is it like a Glock box?
@thewatcher8345
@thewatcher8345 2 жыл бұрын
In south africa they come in a hard case with 3 mags, great little gun, the g2c is reliable....and yes clean your gun.
@jeffrobertson4097
@jeffrobertson4097 3 жыл бұрын
Well done! Thanks for the review.
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you sir. Thanks for watching.
@mr.38special65
@mr.38special65 3 жыл бұрын
Appreciate your support of my buddy and his channel
@richardgonzales4815
@richardgonzales4815 2 жыл бұрын
Like your gun videos. I’ve liked and therefore : SUBSCRIBED!
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate it man.
@dion4916
@dion4916 3 жыл бұрын
G2C owner and have never had any problems with the gun and it feels great in the hand and extremely accurate. The Taurus is better in price .🔫
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 3 жыл бұрын
Price is very important.
@bu3butler1
@bu3butler1 3 жыл бұрын
I liked your video on the comparison of the two. The Taurus G2c breaks down very similar to a Glock. ( if not identical to one ). So don't let that keep you away from a G2c. I love mine, and I saved a grip of cash too!
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 3 жыл бұрын
I appreciate it man
@timrollins1015
@timrollins1015 2 жыл бұрын
Mine never jamed after I polished the feed ramp
@travelingcameraman89
@travelingcameraman89 5 ай бұрын
My G2C slipped up like yours where the slide didn’t go back into battery or resumed normal position after firing the round. The gun needs to be broken in and cleaned for sure. The recommended cleaning is after every range day, however, if you clean it 2-3 times a month (depends how often you go to the range) the gun should move the slide into battery. Nice video! Great comparison!
@jimmydavis6954
@jimmydavis6954 Жыл бұрын
Changing out the plastic striker sleeve in the G2C will change the trigger travel for the better
@lenculpepper9150
@lenculpepper9150 2 жыл бұрын
The G2C is a great pistol at any price point!
@gamingaccount1142
@gamingaccount1142 3 жыл бұрын
I bought my first gun, the G2C. I picked it up today. Paid $220 before taxes and shipping charges for it on Gunbroker. Mine is OD green. I love it. Haven't shot it yet. My ammo gets delivered tomorrow. I can't wait. The guy at the gun store talked me into getting better sights put on it which I'm doing next paycheck. Trilium night sights.
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 3 жыл бұрын
Good stuff. Let me know what you think about how it shoots
@metalbuggy
@metalbuggy 2 жыл бұрын
If you pull the slide back a little, the two buttons pull all the way down on the G2C
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 2 жыл бұрын
Good to know
@crypto1300
@crypto1300 2 жыл бұрын
I'm looking at both of these as my first micro compact.
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 2 жыл бұрын
I love my hellcat. Have you made a decision yet?
@ajcates9136
@ajcates9136 3 жыл бұрын
Dude ur coming with the heat c5 and pew pews epic content!
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 3 жыл бұрын
😂😂 I appreciate it man.
@keithtate1241
@keithtate1241 2 жыл бұрын
I love all 6 of my Taurus pistols. They are all accurate, reliable and eat everything I feed them. My G2C is my primary EDC. I have no problem field stripping my G2C. Pull the trigger and hold the slide back just slightly with your right hand. Pull down the tabs with the left and push the slide off with the right. If you hold the slide back too far you will need to pull the trigger again. Thanks for the video.
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the info. Thanks for watching.
@andyepps9871
@andyepps9871 2 жыл бұрын
G2c is easy to take a part, and I got my for 230, and it runs steel really well, love Taurus, great vid
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 2 жыл бұрын
Can't beat that price. I appreciate it.
@vinnystx
@vinnystx 2 жыл бұрын
Love my g2c I protect it from rust it protects me from bad guys and bear cougar coyotes
@joaothomazini
@joaothomazini Жыл бұрын
So half the price and is as good as the expensive one? Just because it comes in a pouche it doesn't justify the difference.
@JameyLane
@JameyLane 4 ай бұрын
Still have my OG G2 that I bought in 2015. It's what I carry. Lakeline LLC makes a good flush base plate for it.
@kcadventure-m3u
@kcadventure-m3u 2 жыл бұрын
The G2c chamber is not as deep as most. Mine won’t chamber certain 124gr ammo. The depth the bullet isn’t seated in the case enough. Probably the same issue y’all had with the reloads. You can get the camber reamed deeper but I just check the ammo first by making sure it’ll easily drop in the barrel while taken apart.
@michaelbetts8379
@michaelbetts8379 2 жыл бұрын
I own two love this gun G2C
@hubiecasteel7045
@hubiecasteel7045 2 жыл бұрын
My G2C has never jammed not once nor malfunctions. I have fired around 1000 rounds through it. I keep it cleanes and oiled.. I love the G2C...
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 2 жыл бұрын
That could definitely be the key.
@ImRickJames24
@ImRickJames24 2 жыл бұрын
looked to me to be more of a grip issue with the g2c. looked like they were limp wristing it a bit.
@mr.38special65
@mr.38special65 3 жыл бұрын
I would like to reiterate we were using reloads from the range now I'm not saying they did a horrible job or anything like that. What I am saying is both firearms failed to go into battery due to the reloads. I cannot speak for my friend but I clean my weapon before I fire it and after I fire it
@nopiatl
@nopiatl 3 жыл бұрын
I got mine for $250 with $100 rebate they had the Taurus g2's in Bloomington at the range CI Shooting. If you've never been I definitely recommend the trip they're very clean place very organized and lots of accessories and friendly and professional staff I didn't feel like I was being looked at like a criminal no signs on the doors and pull your pants up
@larrypenarubia1386
@larrypenarubia1386 2 жыл бұрын
So u need to pull slide back very little then push both locks down and it will slide foward
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate that.
@WES-JGC-2013
@WES-JGC-2013 2 жыл бұрын
You have to pull the slide back on the Taurus just a little bit then pull down on the 2 sides and when you let loose of the slide it won't go into battery, then you pull the trigger, and it will slide off. I can do mine just as fast as he did the hellcat, and after adding Lakeline stainless guide rod and stainless recoil spring etc. and a small amount of polishing the slide contact points and feed ramp I'd put mine against any hellcat or Glock! Btw when you add the Olight Baldr Mini RL, it has a light and laser built into the actual lens of the light and doesn't extend past the front of the barrel, and with my Workz light bearing IWB holster it is awesome, no print and even has a slot for the Olight magnetic charger to fit in while holstered. I also recommend a Hogue Rubber grip, and even with all that it's still cheaper than the hellcat with nothing! I paid 203, when they first came out and would've paid 450-500! Also, the factory G3 15rd and 17th mags fit, along with Sig p226 mags, and Canik TLR9 mags and they make all kinds of High cap aftermarket mags including a 50 round drum.
@andycoslet6479
@andycoslet6479 Жыл бұрын
The hellcat is still waay over priced for what you get
@bdub0983
@bdub0983 3 жыл бұрын
Oil is cheap. That gun wasn't going fully into battery. It's possible it's the guns fault. But more likely the magazines or lack of maintenance. Some people never clean their firearms, aside from just adding oil every now and then.
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 3 жыл бұрын
I'm surprised people add oil as opposed to cleaning.
@frank-mm7oo
@frank-mm7oo Жыл бұрын
The market has an extended takedown part for the Taurus. It sticks out further so you can get it better.
@AyyooDee1
@AyyooDee1 3 жыл бұрын
When you break down the Taurus top hand pull back, two fingers on the release, and then pull hammer
@mr.38special65
@mr.38special65 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the insight.
@realind1v1dual1sm
@realind1v1dual1sm 3 жыл бұрын
I agree and I also have a Taurus G2C. He didn’t do it right when taking the gun apart which is why he failed multiple times. Mine always comes apart super easy and fast.
@mr.38special65
@mr.38special65 3 жыл бұрын
@@realind1v1dual1sm I have tried it the way you and him both say and absolutely easier. But still have problems pulling down the release.
@eduardoguzman1440
@eduardoguzman1440 Жыл бұрын
You can do an upgrade to g2c for just $35 replacing the plastic parts and will become a very trusted firearm, on ebay, metal recoir spring for $22, stainless steel fire pin striker $11
@bradenclark8505
@bradenclark8505 6 ай бұрын
I have both and i enjoy both the g2c is a compact, the hellcat is a micro compact. They both shoot well no issues on the hellcat, g2c shoots good aswell, but the ergonomics on the springfield hellcat are way better, and i love the stipple on the hellcat. But id trust both to do the job should i need them to. Also the sights are much better with springfield. Got an echelon aswell
@Walter_Sobchak_43
@Walter_Sobchak_43 7 ай бұрын
I carry a Sig Sauer p365 for EDC but I just got a brand new Taurus G3c for $215 (only 2 mags included tho). After 200 rounds, I feel like I robbed the seller. lol This pistol is amazing and runs hollow-points, rounds, and flat-nose like a hungry beast. It is a Glock 43x for half the price. YOU HAVE TO CLEAN AND OIL THE PISTOL BEFORE 1ST SHOTS!
@inquiry9976
@inquiry9976 3 жыл бұрын
Taurus for me.
@outlawandoutdoorstv9901
@outlawandoutdoorstv9901 Жыл бұрын
I have the G3C and its a excellent pistol. Im a former army Infantryman or Rifleman 11bravo. I have a few pistols from a glock 48, glock 22, kimber colt 1911 ultra carry pro 2, Canik TP9 Elite Combat, and my Taurus G3c. While all my pistols are excellent pistols the Canik has the best trigger and shoots and runs the best 800$, 1500 kimber is the most high end and you can tell its a great handgun. My glocks are just that glocks dont much need to be said glock says it all. Now that G3C i got 229$ in with 3 mags and its ny EDC and my favorite gun to abuse and shoot the hell out of. Its never jammed or malfunctioned in anyway and ive put some cheap ass ammo through her and not one malfunction outta hundreds if not close to a thousand rounds now. Just a awesome little pistol, its not the the greatest trigger bit its not that bad either boit like a glock. If ya want a awesome stock trigger go with a canik especially the TP9 Elite Combat or the Elite combat SFX or the new mete9 comapq is also amazing and its only about 500$
@shortypittman7785
@shortypittman7785 2 жыл бұрын
I have done this with you guys and I beat both with my g2c
@samuelbenbow5774
@samuelbenbow5774 Жыл бұрын
Now i had a g2 still got my g3 g2 got stolen but i love them both
@dynjarren5454
@dynjarren5454 2 жыл бұрын
Bought my G2c and love it. After 400 rounds or so I had no issues whatsoever My EDC gun 2 years now. Total I'm gonna guess I've put 2,500 rounds thru it and the only thing that's ever been an issue was mag springs Best $220 I may have ever spent
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 2 жыл бұрын
That's impressive.
@aw6686
@aw6686 2 жыл бұрын
good content
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate it.
@danbeuscher14
@danbeuscher14 2 жыл бұрын
It breaks down like the Glock. Just read the manual and you will find you can take it apart in just a few seconds
@wahivalleys3011
@wahivalleys3011 7 ай бұрын
I love Springfield firearms, but of these two, I'll take the Taurus. My G2C I bought used, is so dependable! Wahi' Valleys
@frank-mm7oo
@frank-mm7oo Жыл бұрын
Taurus every time. But I own 7 and working on getting the TH10.
@johngrimm7
@johngrimm7 2 жыл бұрын
The G2C isn't so bad. It also has a re strike capability. Meaning that if you come across a bad round, press the trigger again and it will send the round down range. You can tap the mag and rack the slide to get rid of the bad round but the re strike comes in handy,also
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting. Didn't know pulling the trigger would get it to go. Thanks.
@johngrimm7
@johngrimm7 2 жыл бұрын
@@CadillacJones Sure thing. Run some cheap quality steel ammo like Tul and if doesn't run, press the trigger again to send it down range. You'll see what I mean. Just a fair warning,though. The lacquered steel ammo ruins the barrel over time, though. Regular stuff will do fine.
@tonypizzutto4163
@tonypizzutto4163 Жыл бұрын
I like the G3C 9mm very nice price and reliability too
@joule7256
@joule7256 Ай бұрын
You are doing to takedown on the g2 wrong. You do not have to cock it, infact there is a dead area where you just have to pull it enough disengage the takedown and you can remove the slide without cocking it like a glock. I do it all the time with my g2c, g3c, and g3.
@quoththeraven7
@quoththeraven7 3 жыл бұрын
I used to think the Taurus G2c was a great gun, people can get angry all they want. But I paid for a training class before, and it was four people in there that brought the Taurus G2C. & one had a Sccy. all 5 of them was having serious problems. The guns was not going into battery, failing to feed, failing to eject, To the point the trainer Stopped them from using the guns in his class, issued them P365's and Hellcats for the rest of day, they had no more issues & two of the people bought Hellcats. I can only go by what I see. And this video confirms that. I went in there with the Shield 2.0 and had zero issues.. Sometimes you get what you pay for.
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 3 жыл бұрын
Interesting perspective man. Kind of scary that it's not available when you need it.
@WES-JGC-2013
@WES-JGC-2013 2 жыл бұрын
Wonder if they cleaned em after buying em before shooting, cause the crap they lube em with from the factory will cause em to do all that!
@devontemartin6140
@devontemartin6140 2 жыл бұрын
I have the g2c and the g3 they spit out any ammo I’ve ran through it. I just got the hellcat pro can’t wait to shoot it.
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 2 жыл бұрын
Let me know which one you like more.
@danielpadgett2831
@danielpadgett2831 2 жыл бұрын
I have the older pt111g2 basically the g2c no failures my vote g2c
@danielarrington6387
@danielarrington6387 2 жыл бұрын
of course the hellcat is better but me being a cheapo i love cheap firearms seeing what they bring
@jeffcolwell8459
@jeffcolwell8459 2 жыл бұрын
I own the g2c love it handles great one hiccup since i had it break in period dont own the hellcat yet hopefully one day i can have both
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 2 жыл бұрын
I'd like to see what you think about both of them. Have you shot one yet?
@jeffcolwell8459
@jeffcolwell8459 2 жыл бұрын
@@CadillacJones the g2c yes but not hellcat yet have to save some money first will keep you posted
@jae7322
@jae7322 2 жыл бұрын
late but he has to pull the slide back slightly and then pull the tabs down
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 2 жыл бұрын
I appreciate it.
@TheDoug625
@TheDoug625 2 жыл бұрын
Over a thousand rounds through my G2C with zero issues.
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 2 жыл бұрын
That's good stuff.
@brokeboytactical
@brokeboytactical 3 жыл бұрын
I don't even have to watch this video to know that the hellcat won 🤣. I have nothing but Taurus firearms but I live in the real world and know that a Springfield hellcat is going to be better quality than a Taurus of any kind and that's okay one's a budget firearm and the other isn't. The only way I think the Taurus g3c or g2c would shine over the hellcat is that it could fill the role of a home defense gun as well because you can mount a light. But just solely as a concealed carry option the hellcat wins hands down in my opinion wish I could afford one. Now I'm gonna watch this video and see if I stuck my foot in my mouth 😂
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 3 жыл бұрын
I agree. I'm definitely a hellcat fan and I think that's who wins. But it comes down to personal preference. You'll have a hellcat before you know it man.
@dion4916
@dion4916 3 жыл бұрын
The G2C is highly reliable and very accurate, I carry mine everyday and have full confidence in it.
@Angelofct
@Angelofct Ай бұрын
My g2c came correct. Thankfully.
@Angelofct
@Angelofct Ай бұрын
I shoot both and id pick either for carry.
@samuelbenbow5774
@samuelbenbow5774 3 ай бұрын
Got g2 an g3
@ayejay5000
@ayejay5000 5 ай бұрын
Had a g2c a while ago. Own a hellcat micro now though. For an active person the hellcat is way lighter and way less clunky. My shot was a little better with Taurus UNLESS i have 15 rd and not 11 or 13. Then it's comparable
@misterj2538
@misterj2538 2 ай бұрын
The Taurus G2C will run just as well as the Springfield Hellcat for half the price. I bought the Taurus G2C as a sidekick. Get the most bang for your buck.
@gotmylk
@gotmylk 3 жыл бұрын
Nice comparison guys. I liked the friendly banter. I've never held or shot a Hellcat. I have held and shot a few Tauraus 9mm. I didn't like any of them. Polymer guns already feel cheap in my opinion. The Taurus pistols I held were rattle traps that felt every bit as $200 guns. I feel the same about the s&w mp2.0. Feels like junk and something I would not put my life on the line with. Best budget 9mm I've shot is the SAR9. Best polymer 9mms I've owned and shot are Glocks. Still not much of a fan. I just trust Glock reliability. A few thousand rounds of cheap ammo and reloads and not one malfunction.
@mr.38special65
@mr.38special65 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for expressing your view points. If we are lucky more to come Glocks I'm sure would be in one at some point.
@gotmylk
@gotmylk 3 жыл бұрын
@@mr.38special65 looks like you guys have a Colt Python 357 on the table in this video. I have a blued 1969 Python 357 myself. It's my all time favorite pistol in my collection. Each and every time I go to the range (RTSP in NJ) I get asked about the gun. No joke. Every time I bring it. Amazing revolver and I absolutely love it. My 1975 John Giles 1911 .38 Super chambered in .38 Special for Bullseye is another classic I have. Can't get it to run worth a shit though. Some day I'll get 5 succinct shots fired out of her.
@mr.38special65
@mr.38special65 3 жыл бұрын
@@gotmylk no that's a Smith& Wesson .44 magnum
@gotmylk
@gotmylk 3 жыл бұрын
@@mr.38special65 also very nice. Looking forward to your review on the S&W 44. ;)
@markpulliam2698
@markpulliam2698 3 жыл бұрын
Nothing like Glock perfection!! I have the Glock 20 10mm & I love it. Also got me G2C's for me and my wife both, and we both love them. Not as many rounds put through hers yet, but never had a problem out of mine. Hers however failed to feed once the very first time we went to range, and hasn't since. Her's has about 100 rounds through it, compared to my 1000. Just changed my slide for hers earlier today. 😎👍🏾
@metalbuggy
@metalbuggy 2 жыл бұрын
I just bought a G2C new for $229 earlier today (4/2)
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 2 жыл бұрын
Do you like it?
@metalbuggy
@metalbuggy 2 жыл бұрын
@@CadillacJonesI love it so far!
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 2 жыл бұрын
@@metalbuggy Glad you're enjoying it.
@BLOODYTHECLOWN666
@BLOODYTHECLOWN666 10 ай бұрын
They did something to make it jam
@frank-mm7oo
@frank-mm7oo Жыл бұрын
Most of the Taurus can handle a 32-round magazine and some 50-round-can magazines.
@thetinmanalex
@thetinmanalex 2 жыл бұрын
Read the instructions on the G2c before you look a fool on the internet
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 2 жыл бұрын
Grow up
@thetinmanalex
@thetinmanalex 2 жыл бұрын
@@CadillacJones ?? Just a honest comment they requested on video. Simple take down on the g2c
@ZorcNecrofear
@ZorcNecrofear 2 жыл бұрын
The takedown is very easy on the Taurus just like a Glock you just were just doing it wrong by not pulling the slide back
@yes-z9727
@yes-z9727 2 жыл бұрын
G2C nice as a first firearm .
@joehaney5186
@joehaney5186 2 жыл бұрын
I have both. HATE my hellcat.
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 2 жыл бұрын
Why do you hate it?
@hawghawg381
@hawghawg381 2 жыл бұрын
Taking it apart wrong. Slightly pull it Pull down buttons Pull trigger
@andycoslet6479
@andycoslet6479 Жыл бұрын
I'll almost guarantee it's either an ammunition or the mag
@redskins1120
@redskins1120 3 жыл бұрын
Don’t buy the G2C!! I traded mine in because it kept having failures.
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 3 жыл бұрын
I'm a hellcat fan. I would buy another hellcat first.
@marquisadams6555
@marquisadams6555 3 жыл бұрын
TAURUS G2C, Txx best firearm out omm
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 3 жыл бұрын
Have you shot the Hellcat yet?
@marquisadams6555
@marquisadams6555 3 жыл бұрын
@@CadillacJones to much kick got skiny finger it didn't feel right in my hands like the g2c or the tx22
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 3 жыл бұрын
@@marquisadams6555 I agree it does have a lot of recoil
@malikswag60
@malikswag60 2 жыл бұрын
Me watching this with the hellcat pro 😂
@CadillacJones
@CadillacJones 2 жыл бұрын
That's what I need to grab next.
@morethanent541
@morethanent541 Жыл бұрын
I liked this video when he said half the cost I unliked the video and liked it again!
@aaronhorton269
@aaronhorton269 Жыл бұрын
G2c is a great gun for the money but the hellcat is just all around better!
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