Spyderco Paramilitary 2 Chinese Clone Comparison

Here I compare 2 Spyderco Chinese Paramilitary 2 knives with a Real Para 2.

[@bryanmchugh1307]

my PM2 came with a fortune cookie in the box it read "die capitalist pig". Still not sure if its a fake or not.

[@lesgarten]

Ohhh that means it's real... Die Capitalist Pig is definitely a Message from our Democratic friends in Golden, CO... I'm sure they'll come out with a Hillary Clinton version with Bleached G-10.

[@bryanmchugh1307]

PFFT HAHAHAHA for real man that was funny as shit

[@BilgePump]

Yup! That’s from Colorado alright. Hillary voting liberals.

[@johnkennedy9078]

If you tell me Spyderco is Pro Hillary Clinton, I will sell my spydercos tonight.

[@junichiikeda5860]

Lol

[@clementjoe6564]

Your video cured my insomnia.

[@AnAbortiveRomance]

I'm sure the Chinese appreciate your efforts to improve their fakes. LOL

[@lesgarten]

Every little bit helps! I've received a lot of feedback from some folks that these videos have helped them avoid or ID fakes.

[@Runsfrombears]

Now if they only use higher end steels......

[@GigaQuantum]

@@Runsfrombears is it not S30V?

[@ChrisSmith-gy9zp]

@@GigaQuantum doubtful

[@MM-bq7ei]

Says he's not going to spend a lot of time looking at the box... spends a long time looking at the box.

[@lesgarten]

Fooled ya!

[@MM-bq7ei]

@@lesgarten Yeah you got me. I powered through though to see that sweet knife action.

[@scottlefaivre8558]

Seems like the jimping on the real Spyderco is much sharper than the fake also. Noticed it when you were showing the torx screw.

[@stealth1546]

Great video! Was very informative. Happy to know mine is genuine!

[@lesgarten]

stealth1546 Great news! Thanx!

[@9o3]

This is the best 'spot the fake' video. Had me sweating the entire time. Luckily mine has both skeletonized cut outs on the liner's non-locking side.

[@louc940]

Ty so much great video. I now know I purchased a FAKE.. Scumbag guy played it off he was sick and needed money and had to get rid of his para digi or 100 bucks. Stupid me should of known. If it's to good to be true. Anyway once again great video

[@lesgarten]

Sorry to hear that. There are some real scummy people out there.

[@SpareSpacesuit]

Everybody claims to know what a fake looks like but I work in manufacturing and I can tell you that there are a lot of variations in between lots and even more if there’s multiple locations making the same/similar products for a company

[@lancet6704]

Thanks for the great info. I was able to determine my Spyderco paramilitary 2 was legit within a short while. Great info.

[@lesgarten]

+Lance Riehl Thanx! Glad it helped!

[@spidersweb9110]

The thing is a lot of people don't want to outlay lots of dollars for a knife... they would prefer to get a cheaper copy... I've had my grandfathers BUCK pocket knife for 35years now... and it still retains a terrific edge use it quite a lot... when I used to go shooting many years ago I then used granddads knife to skin rabbits for dinner... but today most of the knives are made in japan...china.. hong kong granddads buck was american made!!! Stamped on both blades... ok happy hunting keep sharp... cheers🍺🍺🍻🍻...

[@kevins8790]

Thank you for manually adjusting the focus instead of just waving the product around and yelling focus. I hate when videos do that. Got my fist spydeco otw in the mail (paramilitary 2) :)

[@lesgarten]

Kevin S Focus is a constant irritant! Congratulations on your new knife.

[@MrBigTexFyre]

The proper phrase is “focus you fock” AveE

[@danielheller9624]

what if you mixed them up

[@ttattx]

1 thirty in you called Spyderco's "overpriced" --- I almost spit out my coffe - I know this video is 7 years old, but if you look today pricing on Spydercos has remained stable, and only small increases to pricing in the past year or so (due to all the BS we had to deal with the coof)... so that comment to me didn't age well - meanwhile, Benchmade asking the prices they are - now that's something worthy of being called "overpriced" - and the QC is garbage, bad grinds, uneven plunges, nothing exciting... Spyderco on the other hand continues to create new products, and even their own steel!

[@MrBigTexFyre]

25:51 he has to stop and think which one is real. He’ll probably end up accidentally giving away the real knife to a friend.

[@lesgarten]

They are close...

[@megagene]

Hey man, thanks for making this great video. I just got my black Para Military 2 in the mail yesterday and I was really worried about its authenticity. I've watched a bunch of other videos on here explaining real vs. fake, but none of them put my mind at ease. This one did it though. Very detailed and methodical with clear explanations and lots of close ups. Now I know that my knife is the genuine article and I have you to thank for that. Cheers.

[@lesgarten]

megagene Outstanding! Glad it helped!

[@devnull128]

I was about to say nearly the exact same thing. THANK YOU for posting this extremely well put together video!!!

[@lesgarten]

+devnull128 You're welcome!

[@yeshua1176]

Les Garten how would I avoid buying a knock off just curious but I would hate paying full price and getting a lesser quality blade

[@lesgarten]

Make sure you buy from someone who will fully refund all your expense if you get scammed. Knifecenter Knifeworks Amazon BladeHQ Places like that. Then check to make sure it is genuine

[@clashking3123]

So don't know why but watching these videos makes me excited to get my knockoff para 2 with carbon fiber handles

[@calholli]

As long as the blade steel is what it says... then it isn't "fake' IMO. I'll take the "fake" Ferrari with the real v12 in it all day.

[@pesticidecarts9300]

Actual review 6:46

[@Meeeeeeeeeeees]

Wow ml Galten, vely nice Spydelco Palamilitaly Thlee you've got thele!

[@TysonKeola]

Excellent video, really set my mind at ease... thanks a bunch!

[@lesgarten]

***** Thanx! Glad it helped!

[@schneir5]

26:34 I don't know if it's mentioned in the video, but I think I just noticed another difference in the blades. On the fake one, above the hole, there is no visible line for where the blade's full flat ground taper starts, but there is in the authentic one. What do you guys think?

[@schneir5]

@100% Video Thanks!

[@DeRock401]

I sometimes support clone companies. Cuz some of these knife companies are raping the customer by overcharging. Sometimes.

[@MrSabram07]

Then just buy cheap knife from a different manufacturer

[@stoneblue1795]

I have seen ebay and other web listings where as they are using a REAL Spyderco for their images-- and or they are careful not to show it large where you could zoom in. The pictures don't necessarily mean anything- cause they could be showing you a REAL ONE and sending you the fake. Great portrayal here by the way, I enjoyed this.

[@lesgarten]

Ebay, full of fakes for sure. I bought a Spyderco off ebay and drove the guy crazy with pic requests.

[@mitch8419]

I believe the weight is supposed to be 3.75 Oz, however my pm2 weighs in at 3.82 Oz. Everything else checks out for authenticity. Perhaps you could do a weight comparison of the clones versus the real one. Many thanks for the excellent and tedious work 😀

[@eccoshoe1]

Funny my 10yr old para 2 fake, weighs 4.2 oz, i use it all the time and must say it has held up well,it was a gift and for several yrs i did not know it was a fake...i really dont know what the blade steel is, says sv 30, it seems to be as good a knife as my 2 real para 2s...

[@kadebeeny157]

The screws for the pocket clip on the real one have a bead blasted or matte satin finish, the fakes both have really shiny pocket clip screws.

[@TheGoatMumbler]

I have a $20 Para II clone that is so good my dealer couldn't tell the difference from the real one. I liked it so well I ended up buying the real deal. Good vid.

[@trietphan3196]

Do you know if the steel is really s30v? They swear up and down that it is

[@lesgarten]

They are difficult to tell for sure. You can tell if you start taking them apart. The screws are soft and what they screw into is soft, so you get stripping real quick. Or they stripped it when they put them together, I've seen that a lot.

[@lesgarten]

You mean on the clone? I've never had them tell me that. But it's not

[@TheGoatMumbler]

Yes. My dealer couldn't tell the diff.

[@Wieselkatze]

TheGoatMumbler well, your dealer sells you drugs. cant expect him to know everything about knives

[@MrSabram07]

So it sounds like the skeleton ization of the liners the drop dead giveaway

[@lesgarten]

Used to be for sure, but my video here is now 8 years old. Thanks for the comment my friend!

[@BobSicotteMusic]

I've been buying Spyderco lately and didn't know there were fakes out there in the world. Apparently its a huge business. Not good. I've checked over all my Spyderco's and believe they are all authentic but as we speak I have two knives being shipped from Amazon. Both ZDP 189. One Stretch and one Endura. Both in the British Racing Green color. Thanks to you Ill be able to look them over when I get them and try to verify authenticity. Again, totally excellent and educational video! Thanks!

[@luisloya1120]

Hey even Spyderco themselves are making some of their knife lines in China. Why? Because they appreciate Chinese quality control, effectiveness of their workers and pride of craftsmanship not too mention it saved Spyderco production costs while still charging top prices. Chinese are fantastic copy makers and they use modern machinery and Our steel. I have no problem purchasing their items.

[@jamesmiller3647]

Just got one was very worried about it being a fake lucky for me it's not Blade.hq always sells real knives that you can trust

[@lesgarten]

Indeed, Knifecenter as well. GPKinives as well

[@jerrydonquixote5927]

I wouldn't worry too much about the Box, they can put a piece of crap in a box, and its still a piece of crap. I would worry more about the knife itself...

[@andresc5915]

Clones, aka: counterfeits

[@Ermac97]

Well, I'm in a bit of a pickle. I recently bought the PM2 off of Amazon and have gotten a bit of both worlds. First off, the knife was sent via FedEx, not the normal shipping service Amazon uses, and it was merely the box tossed inside the envelope. The box meets all the "fake" points; the deep gradient and the bar code not touching the numbers. However, the knife itself meets the "genuine" points; finished belt clip, the intricate screws, and the two skeletonized sections on the inside. I don't know what to make of this.

[@jhdeval]

In regards to the barcodes what you are looking at are different densities of the barcode. If you look at the genuine you will see it is wider that means it has a lower density versus the fake which has a higher density. The numbers touching are simply the size of the font. The chinese clone boxes could easily make these changes to appear real.

[@lesgarten]

I would agree with that. It has always been amazing they didn't do such a simple fix.

[@lesgarten]

+David C Not true, Some real boxes have a lot of variability in the "nose" small and large, and there are small and large in the clones. I've looked closely at 50 or so real boxes and the same amount in clones. It's tea leaves my friend. You cannot use that as a criteria for anything.

[@mealex303]

hi there Newest subscriber here! liking your videos you really helped me with the Rubicon. have you tried any sharpens best products? if not please look into getting and trying it out also a video on it would be awesome! thanks Alex

[@jroddearing14]

Where did you order the clone at I would like to see the difference between mine thanks so much

[@lesgarten]

7 years ago -- Aliexpress

[@jroddearing14]

@@lesgarten thank you so much

[@ExtraCrispy357]

Hey Les, EXCELLENT VIDEO - you're really a PRO at this! Thanks for taking so much time to show so many details between the real vs. fake so we can check on our knives. I also appreciated that you commented on past experience of other fakes you've seen. Very helpful information. I was wondering, have you made a similar fake vs. real video for the Spyderco Shaman? I just subscribed to your channel, so I will try to search for it. My son and I both have a Shaman in black G10 - one was purchased from a very reputable dealer and the other was purchased from a place I don't trust as much, so it makes me wonder. Even if you haven't made such a video, I can still use a lot of the tips from this video for things to look for. Thanks again!🙂👍

[@peterlowell7963]

Thank you! Well done, organized video!

[@lesgarten]

You're welcome!

[@pateralus9]

Where can you even find Spyderco fakes? I can't seem to ever find any on sites that usually have fakes.

[@ryanriggs8960]

i got one with with a barcode not touching the numbers but everything checks out to be a legit pm2 should i be ok?

[@lesgarten]

Where did you get it?

[@campervan6668]

you haven't mentioned one big difference! INNER shape of LOCK-SIDE SCALE are DIFFERENT. Genuine scale is straight over the lock.

[@Revelatus]

My para 2 came from amazon, it's got the foam of the real one but the barcode text looks like the fake ones. It's definitely real though looking at your comparison of the G10. It's a perfect 90 degrees all around the edge, sloped near the lock cutout, and very toothy. Lanyard hole, pivot screw, and skeletonized liner also matches the real one in your video. So I guess the barcode text isn't really a good indicator at least as of Nov 2016.

[@lesgarten]

The most important parts are the knife. The boxes are printed in China. Some of the places that make the boxes for Spyderco may make the clone boxes. Some Spydercos are made in China as well. As long as the knife matches up, that's good. That's why I say even though the boxes are interesting, it's like reading tea leaves. Doesn't mean much. I've seen really poor real boxes. The foam seems to be the most accurate thing about the boxes.

[@lesgarten]

Stay tuned for my Chris Reeve Mnandi clone review in about a month. They look like they are doing a pretty good knock off on it.

[@johnjamieson7688]

I live in Golden Colorado. Have been in the factory store. They have the US factory knives on the top shelf, and the Chinese factory knives on the lower shelves. There are genuine Chinese Spyderco knives. Thus my question is, how do you tell a fake Chinese Spyderco from a real Chinese Spyderco?

[@millieatr]

If you watch Bonanza From the 60's the episode "Hop Sing Makes A Salad " ,,,If you look real close Hop Sing is using a fake Paramilitary 2 .to slice tomatoes

[@b.m.c.8755]

I’ve owned & used my gifted Spyderco for over 23 years. Why bother with a clone when the metal and hardness of the blade is what you pay is what you get. There is a probability that the material will also rust out over time on the clone.

[@tukamaruetensi3952]

its not the spiders teeth .....its the triangle in them .....all real spydercos have a dibbit or sorts on the bottom of the triangle makeing it look unperfect while the fake useally has a perfect triangle shape ....thats what ive heard from one you tuber video i seen today and looking at your boxes i see it kinda holds true cause the fake does have a perfect triangle and the reals have dibbits

[@ChrisSmith-gy9zp]

The biggest difference I noticed was the scales. They just have a cheaper look to them. Like less time was spent on them.

[@MDM1992]

Pristine? I've never bought a clone spyderco and ever single one I've bought from reputable dealers has been a complete state, dented, torn you name it lmao

[@gheeshin]

Clone cost $8 to $18 with free shipping. How do they make money off these things? Or is the real thing waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay over priced?

[@ejlucas93]

The jimping on the blades looked a lot different too!

[@matthewkennedy7283]

The only thing I wanted to hear about was the action smoothness but no

[@lesgarten]

For $21, you want smooth too!! ;-)

[@briand563]

Just buy a ganzo g729. For 15$ - 20$. You're welcome. Fixed it for you @PhotoNationAP. We will all sleep better now. One less grammar mistake in the world.

[@MrPhotodave420]

You're*.... I'm guessing YOUR lack of grammar is why you buy $15 knifes!

[@einsamall_varg]

Ganzo actually makes relatively decent knives. I have a G745 that I got from cutlerylover and I can tell you right now it's just as good as any other knife that I own.

[@986C]

PhotoNationAP - lol. So true.

[@briand563]

@@MrPhotodave420 always a grammar Nazi around.. I have both. A real PM2 and a Ganzo G729. I'd rather buy a Ganzo over a PM2 clone

[@Deadtileyedie]

Man I have a few gonzos as well as spydercos, microtechs and heretic customs but if you are comparing a gonzo to a pm2 you clearly haven't handled a real spyderco. You get close to your money worth with the pm2 in my opinion. S30v still, good g10s, the compression lock, flat ground blade super thin behind the edge and warranty. No gonzos come close.

[@davidc7010]

no the genuine spyderco box will have a smaller "v" nose on the spider than the Chinese box check it out..

[@ReadyAimFire_]

I have just bought this knife, im watching this vid and comparing things, seems like i have original one. Thanks for this video.

[@lesgarten]

Good Deal, thanx!

[@986C]

Stop buying shit from your buddies like a 10 year old and buy from an authorized retailer like an adult. Unless you are 10....

[@truth-Hurts375]

Lets be honest with each other.The clones are better value for money than the original ones !!!😉😉

[@carmensmith]

Actually,fake stuff uses reall box,so you can't tell from the package.

[@ahilbilyredneksopinion]

There is a difference between clone and counterfeit and those are not clones.they are trying to be the real thing.counterteit not clone.

[@Tellywacker]

It seems to me, that all these comparisons are trying really hard to justify a real from a fake. Is it really trying to justify the price difference? Yes there are some very small differences that you could only discern if you had a fake and a real knife to compare it to. As I stated, is it really just trying to justify the difference in price (SUBSTANTIALLY more for the real)? If my view makes your blood boil a little, then you have your answer... You can be very happy with your real as I am with my fake.

[@lesgarten]

The idea was so that if you paid for a real knife, you would be able to tell if someone sold you a clone instead.

[@skater9653]

Going through the comments do people seriously try to be fakes to carry?

[@MrPuch78]

Could you post a link to a good pm2 clone? Very interested in one

[@lesgarten]

+MrPuch78 They change so often, that you have to look them over very carefully. Make sure they have good pictures of the lock area and don't buy the cheapest or the most expensive.

[@jameskyle7943]

I'm curious why you fund their counterfeiting by buying all these fakes? Couldn't you have bought an american made knife instead? Just wondering.

[@lesgarten]

James Kyle Did you watch the video? Doesn't seem like it.

[@INVERTpbFREAK]

That auto focus made me sick. I wonder if there is a better way to film that.

[@willop572]

Thanks to this video, I know now for sure that I've got the real deal pm2. Thank you!

[@lesgarten]

You're welcome!

[@tonyochoa7097]

Easiest way-buy from an authorized dealer

[@stevemartin4696]

Just buy it from a reputable dealer.

[@MrSabram07]

Yes

[@seeker_9579]

I've also noticed in your video that the start of the edges on the fake knives start a bit closer to the thumb rest than the real ones. @ 26:12

[@ashhook61]

The fact that he points out the real one makes me wonder if its worth buying a real one

[@SmokeRingsPipeDreams]

26:30 ... it seems that comparing both blades that in the real one you can see the horizontal grind line continues on the outer part of the hole. But on the fake it does not. (it might be a trick of the light though)

[@lesgarten]

Doesn't really help though. They are all ground by hand, no two will be alike. I usually try to find things that are reliably different.

[@SmokeRingsPipeDreams]

I thought I was on to something, but it wouldn't be the first time (or last) that I was full of beans! ;)

[@schneir5]

Where do you even buy the counterfeit ones?

[@lesgarten]

Amazon Just kidding... Aliexpress, DHGATE Amazon and ebay if you are not careful or paying attention

[@luisloya1120]

I don't care about the boxes much. I buy these knives for the almost perfect versions of popular/ expensive knives. These look Great and are very sturdy and functional. I own many Chinese made knives including Ganzo knives which I've had for well over 10 years, still work perfectly.

[@puretoronto]

Didn’t know the Chinese were making fakes... hope the one I just ordered off Amazon is real.

[@lesgarten]

Hopefully you don't get hosed, but it happens on Amazon for sure.

[@냄새꾸리꾸리한발까락]

I never understood why anyone would intentionally purchase a knockoff knife. Especially if they plan to use it. You will always get a much lower quality steel on your fake. I would rather purchase a real knife (even if it means its another brand) with functional decent steel for not much more cost than what I would pay for a knockoff with crap steel. I suppose if your intention is to scam the next man by selling your fake as the real deal, your fake knife is useless.

[@lesgarten]

+냄새꾸리꾸리한 발까락 Well, a Sebenza 21 will go for about $450 or so, you can get a pretty nice knockoff for maybe $50-$75. I agree, I don't buy knock offs to keep, except for the Hinderer XM-18 Bowie blade that I got to review and kept it.

[@냄새꾸리꾸리한발까락]

+Les Garten Sweet. I personally never owned or had a chance of handling any knives from Hinderer. I do know that they are very quality knives. Do you actually use your Hinderer or Sebanzas? Or did you get them for collection purpose?

[@냄새꾸리꾸리한발까락]

+Les Garten Sweet. I personally never owned or had a chance of handling any knives from Hinderer. I do know that they are very quality knives. Do you actually use your Hinderer or Sebanzas? Or did you get them for collection purpose?

[@lesgarten]

+냄새꾸리꾸리한 발까락 To tell you the truth, the Hinderers and ZT Hinderers are pretty poor knives for most things I would do. I am getting 2 Sabenzas tomorrow, so these will be my first ones. But I expect to carry and use them. They seem to be good slicers. I just got a Spyderco Sprig and it looks to be an awesome knife for handling fish in the field. But it is very hard for any knife to kick my Spyderco SuperBlue or ZDP-189 Stretch out of my pocket. I never thought I wanted one and thought they were so ugly. Then after reading so much about them I got one and it was Love at first touch. Really, Really Love the Stretch! The Small Sebenza 21 will get a chance this weekend to influence me. I'm getting a Small and a large Here they are: www.turbonet.biz/misc/CRK/lg21uniquersc012513-2pic1.jpg www.turbonet.biz/misc/CRK/sm21uniquersc112513-1pic1.jpg Got them for a Song BNIB on a Clearance sale! I'm thinking about doing a Sebenza Side by Side Video

[@lesgarten]

I use them. Got a Sebenza in my pocket as an everyday carry

[@randomescu]

i just received ( 2 days ago) a Tenacious Lightweight fully serrated black, made in China, from an european seller (Lamnia). the box does not look very well. it is intact but with scratches. the bars dont touch numbers, too. the foam is black and thick, cant see through. the knife looks perfect. anyway, i doubt Lamnia would sell fakes.

[@Layput]

Spyderco box maker in China sold the blueprint to a counterfeiter.

[@cliffont]

Good vid. What does the E and SA looking characters stand for on the right side of the blade?

[@lesgarten]

+Cliff Barry Those are the Initials of Sal Glesser and Eric Glesser. Father and son who designed the knife and own Spyderco

[@cliffont]

+Les Garten Interesting, thanks. I like how each knife has a different camo pattern on the handles.

[@BrandonGavin_EDC]

Is the steel actually S30V or is it just stamped that on the fake?

[@lesgarten]

Bogus steel

[@BrandonGavin_EDC]

@@lesgarten figured, I don’t know how you could tell in a picture but I’m sure once you got it maybe it would be easy to tell if you have had many SV30 or better steels before.

[@lesgarten]

@@BrandonGavin_EDC If you ask the seller they will usually tell you. Mostly 8CR13MOV or D2.

[@BrandonGavin_EDC]

@@lesgarten I figured they tried to pass it off as legitimate for full price. Like most other fakes.

[@lesgarten]

@@BrandonGavin_EDC Sorry, I meant the guys in China. If you see one on Aliexpress it will be around $20 and they'll tell you what kind of steel it is. The REAL crooks, the ones on Ebay or Amazon won't level with you.

[@bananaassasin7514]

I bought a spyderco delica dor around 15 bucks i thought it was a steal he said the blade was chipped and the tip was messed up but i could have easily reprofiled it insteand i got a ganzo

[@gvoluto2816]

the originalbox is better ? NO!!

[@AKhan-pu9pu]

There are points you aren't assured of which one is better but you trying to prove the original one is better because it is original isn't helping those who hasn't original one yet and if they had they won't need fake one.

[@lesgarten]

I don't think you understand my video. I was trying to do two things. 1) Illustrate points to look for to keep from getting a clone for real price. 2) Commenting on the quality of the clone vs the real knife

[@RogueJedi501]

My paramilitary 2 doesn’t have the numbers touch the barcode lol but I bought it from Blade HQ. Everything else checks out like where it was made, the correct punctuation and spaces on the blade itself

[@davidjesse8689]

Dont get me wrong here, but I would not be extremely worried much about the package boxes, printing and other trivial details of piracy. Can anyone show a video comparison on the blade itself? Isn't that what a knife is all about - the blade? If the chinese clone blade cuts as good for a lot less money, then... the more expensive blade buys bragging rights that cuts.

[@hohanrodanrodan9624]

Man, how’d you end up with so many clones?

[@repeterpan]

Thanks for the video. Just got mine off Amazon supplied by Outfitter Country, Toledo.OH. Black Blade - Back Handle - all Black Hardware. Everything checks out as genuine from the size of the foam to the chamfered lanyard hole. Even weighed in at 3.7 oz. Have you weighed the fakes? I have two concerns that are not related to the knife. 1) The box is not pristine and one corner was torn. 2) No letter was included only the Product Information & Warranty Guide. As I said, everything about the knife itself checks out. What do you think?

[@lesgarten]

+repeterpan The boxes go through hell sometimes. I don't know how they normally send them to distributors but sometimes the boxes are a little beat up. I only weigh them when they are greatly different. On the Para 2's they are pretty much the same weight. I would say if the Foam looks good, you are good to go! Which is strange as hell really. The foam is always off on the Real Spydercos. The lock area is the one of real tells. So much so that the Chinese sites are blurring that area in their photos on Aliexpress. If they have the Flashy product guide, then they don't come with the letter. It's an either/or kind of thing. Glad your is Genuine, the Para 2's are nice knives. I have a Silver/Camo and a Black/Camo and really like them as well as the Military. I am getting ready to post a Titanium Millie comparison maybe tomorrow.

[@repeterpan]

Thanks for the quick reply. My lock area looks good, not pointy. Thank you for telling me about the paper work. I'm a Happy Camper.

[@chaseperkins5487]

The barcode is not consistent neither of the boxes I have touch the numbers and they match in appearance. I have two Manix 2s the Blurple G10 s110v which came from BHQ so obviously reputable, and a standard black G10 which I ordered off amazon. I sent the black g10 in to Spyderco for warranty service with the box and was returned to me with no issues.

[@stevebrule6172]

just order from blade hq or blade ops or cutleryshoppe

[@Bananahammock88]

knife center is the best

[@badtexasbill5261]

Why the hell are they using Chinese boxes?

[@loganrhodes8912]

I have a PM2 camp, fuckin love it. I bought mine from the stone in Golden. My camo looks more the color of your Chinese one. Your real PM2 has a lot of orange lookin color. Mine has traditional digicamo colors..

[@OneShot_USMC]

The original has U.S.A, copy has USA

[@mariolaysumundodediversion4142]

My clone has U.S.A

how much did you pay for it?

[@AtheistLuvXmas]

My clone also has U.S.A.

[@AtheistLuvXmas]

G Man I have paid $16 for a Jade handle from DHgate that had horrible blade play and plastic washers. I paid $23 for a carbon fiber from eBay that had fantastic action but came drenched in oil. I've paid $16.70 for a camo handle like in this video from eBay that never came in a month and a half. I cancelled the order and was refunded and it showed up after 4 and a half months randomly. Lol. It had TERRIBLE action out of the box. Wouldn't close without me forcing it shut. Took it apart and oiled and now it opens and shuts well, but with pretty considerable blade play. I've ALSO paid $40 for a titanium PM2 from DHgate that showed up with the etching saying, "Golden Colorad" just like that with the "o" in Colorado cut off. They took $12 off my order total so I was happy with that. It's on bearings and works FANTASTIC! But the titanium is very prone to scratching.

[@angelstrawn5493]

Why do you reviewers constantly rant about the minutia of the boxes? Here is how to tell you bought a fake, you paid a tenth of the real deal and you bought it on a Chinese website.

[@lesgarten]

Ahhh yeah, ya missed the point entirely. No, you buy one for normal price off Amazon and find out it's fake.

[@MrSabram07]

Or ebay for a slightly discounted price of the original price

[@metalicadg3444]

links?

[@lesgarten]

Aliexpress or Dhgate

[@E.D.B]

Chinese engineers taking notes..

[@JamesSmith-gt2tq]

I've no clue what the number in the bottom right corner is either, however, it is always a four digit number from my understanding. That it is not on the displayed correctly on the fakes screamed at me that they probably weren't legit.

[@flyguy7836]

Lot of things you missed but good video overall, the pocket clip on the real ones comes in at the top, the fake ones come in at the bottom were the lanyard hole is ,so basically tip down carry or tip up carry, but it's there the blades side by side you will notice on the real one a groove were the blade comes out, the fake one don't have this just nothing at all. There are other things but there hard to describe on a comment, so to the Chinese people making fakes of good quality knives stop the counterfeiting of one of my favorite company's this gets me really mad

[@cukedaddy]

+Fly Guy 78 Good quality fakes of an overpriced quality knife...just my opinion

[@flyguy7836]

I think that the Para 2 and the manix 2 are the best price for what you get ,awesome g10 handles, great steel s30v , and a great quality build ,so all said I think there worth the money compared too other knife company's that want hundreds for there knives ,chris reeve knives, emerson knives, benchmade knives, zero tolerance knives, the list goes on and on ,so what were getting isn't bad at all think about it ,

[@cukedaddy]

But, what you're getting with the fakes is a decent quality knife for short money... $20 for a Para 2 that has lasted me over a year and going strong .... Yeah, you don't get the same steel but it's still a decent tool steel that retains an edge and can be sharpened to a great edge... There are some junk knives out there but if you look around, it's not hard to find the good ones

[@flyguy7836]

Mark Gray I do agree to a certain point about what you said about putting an edge back on the knife ,because these higher class steels are a pain to put an edge back on them that's probably why alot of these companies offer the free sharpening for life ,but I'm glad the fake is doing good for you and it's great for the people that can't afford the real deal no I'm not saying you just in general so don't take that the wrong way,

[@jason.orbita]

Mark Gray well $20 dollars for a knife that doesn’t have the innovation or originality to come up with their own design. You didn’t pay $20 dollars for a Paramilitary 2. You paid for a knock off, a dud, a fake, garbage. There’s no pride in owning that. I hope when people ask you what you’re carrying when you use it you don’t tell them you’re carrying a Spyderco. I’ll stick to supporting a company that strives for innovation for this community, and you stick to companies that follow mindlessly.

[@robmata474]

just bought a fake at a gun show ,mine had a Black Blade handle scales we're not correct but the thing that gave it away did a few cuts on a piece of cardboard and the steel went from hair shaving Sharp 2 dull and would not cut paper. took it back and exchanged a new one ,also the Box was missing the point on the spider.

[@bittabrutha31]

Where can I buy one of those fakes??😂😂😂

[@lesgarten]

Look on Aliexpress or DHgate

[@EverestSALE]

Svaka čast, potrudio si se maksimalno da uporediš detalje. Jedini je problem što nisi naveo koja je razlika u funkcionalnosti. Ko kupi Paramilitary 2 kopiju, verovatno će se smejati onima koji imaju original. Ja nisam video razliku u tome čemu može da posluži ovaj komad čelika, bio on original ili kopija. Glupost je gledati ivice drške, da li su zaobljene ili ne i sve ostalo što ste naveli. Veliki pozdrav i svako dobro.

[@lesgarten]

You have misunderstood why I made the video. It was mainly for people to determine whether they had bought a Genuine Spyderco or a Fake Spyderco. Secondary was my wish to show quality as well.

[@EverestSALE]

@@lesgarten Savršeno sam Vas razumeo. I duboko sam uveren da onaj koji kupuje kvalitetan nož, već zna sve o njemu. A naivnih svakako da ima. Pozdrav i svako dobro.

[@openplz3000]

I don't mind a fake, although they aren't for me, as long as it is sold as such. thanks for the great info, got to check my M4 Jade pm2 out

[@ronniewilliamson7073]

Jesus how long do you need to talk about the dam foam lolol

[@lesgarten]

It's a thing...

[@michaelscave8452]

I also noticed that the part of the steel that has Golden Colorado etched on it cuts off in the middle of the spydy hole,the fake cuts off the hole a bit lower. And the gimping is slightly angled on top of the the real one.

[@heyyitsandy]

Super detailed, and spent a good amount of time on each section... best one I've seen!

[@lesgarten]

Thanx, glad you got something out of it!