SSC Fall Fest Wii U Losers Semis - Elegant (Luigi) Vs. Spargo (Cloud) Smash 4 Tournament

[@vgbootcamp]

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[@l3onc.184]

I thought they just pulled out an old clip from years ago until I realised they had masks

[@SeriousStriker]

Yeah I thought this was just GTX Grands lmao.

[@timothydaggs7701]

Bro, same

[@erickalvarez6486]

Lmao Spargo is new into smash how the hell could he play sm4sh on time

[@Orangeboy1345]

pain also this is the title where Luigi was like top 5 a good amount of time and zer0 existed

[@stupidkirbyfan6615]

@@erickalvarez6486 Sparg0 has been playing since Sm4sh

[@fruitlion8]

It's so bizzare to see this game again after Ultimate. They fly away so slowly when hit, the shields look so shiny and the hit effects look more sparky

[@Shionfromyt]

I'm use to it

[@erickalvarez6486]

First time I saw ultimate I was like "it looks like they flying at top speed and then stop" and also when you hit for example pk thunder of ness, how the screen focus on your attack, I'm like "wtf is that yooo".

[@greedo194]

@@erickalvarez6486 also smoke when someone got launched

[@yogurt5628]

It was even more bizarre to see upairs trade at the beginning that was hilarious

[@joshuaapparicio4297]

bizarre 🙂

[@Gypsypsycho1]

I've notice they didn't spam air dodge a qhole lot and I'm pretty sure the ultimate air dodge mechanic sank in.

[@erickalvarez6486]

And no up b out of shield from spargo, like having up air so good gets you out of your "secure" game.

[@crazyaxemurderer1233]

@@erickalvarez6486 well up b out of shield isnt good in smash 4

[@UltimateTS64]

Still blows my mind how Smash 4 games with 2 stocks take as long as Ultimate games with 3 stocks 😂

[@ThatSneakman]

Yeah, whenever people complain about Ultimate going too slow, I look back and think how good we have it now

[@erickalvarez6486]

It takes like 3 times more to see if your oponent will die or not.

[@sebb.jimenez]

@@ThatSneakman4 feels slower. The thing with ultimate is the input lag, delay. That’s why people say ultimate is slow.

[@disboundedx8038]

"Ooo Sparg0 and Ele- waiiiiit a minute"

[@Aflay1]

0:27 How you gonna trade with Cloud as Luigi FOUR TIMES ....oh this is Smash 4. That explains it.

[@liltwistedgamer]

I was so confused when I saw the thumbnail,I thought I entered a different timeline.

[@anonymous7024]

I came for Smash Wii U and I wasn’t disappointed

[@The_Game_Juggler_ME]

Where’s the 3ds Smash tourney?

[@lemo1631]

Is this a fever dream?

[@number090684]

No. In Smash 4 Luigi isn't that bad against Cloud.

[@blueheart9873]

@@number090684 LMAO. It's even worse in Smash 4

[@number090684]

Maybe a little, but Luigi is kind of OP in Smash Ultimate and in Smash 4 he is only at a slight disadvantage against Cloud, but can still edgeguard him fairly well.

[@ElChicoBush]

Wow bro, you are finally awake. Smash Ultimate? Fighter Pass? What are you talking bro? It's 2017, let's turn on the WiiU. I want some For Glory matches.

[@diegocorral8787]

@@ElChicoBush Oh how I'd wish Ultimate would have For Glory and Wii U's Wifi.

[@KesterStudios]

man i miss smash 4 luigi

[@c.k.harrower8672]

This almost made me forget how broken Cloud was in Sm4sh.

[@rhysjones1108]

Bayo was broken, cloud had legit counter play and bad MU’s he was just a really good character. Very similar to jokers placing in ultimate imo

[@spreadwuvokay]

@@rhysjones1108 So well put.

[@Carlisho]

@@rhysjones1108 also the super bad recovery

[@erickalvarez6486]

@@rhysjones1108 Nah, Cloud could have problems with spammers and exploit his recovery, Joker has better proyectile, better comeback mechanic and he's overall better

[@spreadwuvokay]

@@erickalvarez6486 He's not saying Cloud is better or worse, he's saying they have a similar place in their respective games meta.

[@名無し-z9i5m]

この時のルイージの性能今より好き

[@angelplayz02]

1:33 What’s with that knock back? It looks like they’re underwater. There’s no way anyone thought this looked normal

[@j.prt.979]

That’s pretty much how it looks in every Smash game that isn’t Ultimate.

[@ayyocam1917]

Not melee

[@WiiMoteGodYT]

Introspecktive reference?

[@lacasadelvideojuego3880]

lol you were probably one of those that said “balloon knock back sucks and the smoke is too much”

[@angelplayz02]

@@WiiMoteGodYT Yes sirrr

[@nachot6592]

The launches in 4 are SO SO slow compared to Ultimate...

[@orlie1819]

Yeah, hence why competitive Smash 4 is 2 stock instead of 3.

[@gullible3842]

Elegant Luigi returning to Smash 4 is just amazing

[@Mr.Nemecio]

Luigi ComboGrab in smash4 Is Broken Luigi ComboGrab in smash Ultimate is Broken

[@flutterboypr6481]

Ahhhh....back were everyone hated Bayonetta, Ryu and Cloud being broken and having Mario amazing combos with his Up-Tilt. Amazing game.

[@voodooedits785]

Don’t forget Luigi’s amazing down b oh my lord

[@Warrenoh]

Gonna disagree with you there. This game looks clunky, ugly and slow. Ultimate is such an infinitely better game.

[@saga9641]

everyone has opinions and my opinion is that this game is 100x better :D

[@flutterboypr6481]

@@Warrenoh During our lifetime the graphics gets better. Ultimate might be better yes, but Smash 4 haves a special place in my heart.

[@Warrenoh]

@@saga9641 in what way?

[@rubenjackson9425]

I want the online Smash 4 for ultimate.

[@keysradiotheradio]

100%

[@Freakybananayo]

Online smash 4 sucked doo doo butter

[@rexfarcan]

@@Freakybananayo yeah but at least u could switch characters

[@Mr__Jack]

Freakybananayo Yes it did and it’s still 10x better than Ultimate. At least you had a dedicated mode for competitive matchmaking AND the ability to switch characters

[@gen1spartan800]

Crazy to see these top players still grinding smash 4 to good for them.

[@ErenYeager-oi6hu]

They’re not grinding smash 4, they just decided to enter the tournament since it’s been so long. They’re just keeping their skills from ssbu.

[@heclfrecl3633]

I forgot how existing Cloud Nair is in this game…

[@Gamerrelm1.0_relm]

Finally smash 4.

[@pongping5009]

久々forやりたくなってきた しかし手元にはもうない…

[@FreakinSweet1987]

Holy balls does this look so slow after Ultimate. Half the time it looks like nobody is going to lose a stock with how slowly they fly from knockback.

[@ZoarTwili]

Look at Brawl, this "slow" is nothing

[@FreakinSweet1987]

@@ZoarTwili I'm well aware. But Brawl never felt fast to begin with. Smash 4 did at once point.

[@gerardo6525]

Ultimate looking really weird these days man

[@Alfonso013]

what is smash 4? isn this game the ssbu?

[@TheHazard36]

I might be the only person that prefers Smash 4 over Ultimate

[@axeksegovia9541]

U r not alone

[@SushiBurritoPapi]

The game where Elegant was easily top 8.

[@두부-b9t]

He was barely top 15~20

[@alangodinez5487]

Why are there sets from Sm4sh now

[@puffnstuff7905]

In the super smash con tournaments, there's brackets for all smash games and other platform fighters

[@randomgamerdude98]

Its super smash con, they do all the smash games even 64

[@marioleon86]

Wasn't there Ultimate in SSC?

[@ogkboy5029]

Yes. Hasn’t happened yet

[@rhysjones1108]

Yes, they play all versions of smash at smash con

[@KaydenJoseph5310]

Honestly, one of the best smash games 👌

[@kevinalbarn120]

Luigi was nasty

[@firestorm3k882]

I don't care if Smash 4 & Brawl are unbalanced messes, I still want their competitive scenes to live because I would be very interested in seeing where the games' meta would go if their competitive scenes lasted longer & also I just feel bad for certain people who miss playing those games (like Mew2King missing Brawl for example).

[@oworange]

5:17 this ain't smash ultimate

[@michaelschrieber6461]

Ah look at that big ole cloud nair....and that landing up air...and that auto canceling dair....and you can save limit. Huh? sorry just a smash 4 cloud main reminiscing nothing to see here move on.

[@capabartz7380]

Am I the only person who in 2021 is more comfortable watching competitive sm4sh than watching competitive ultimate? Ultimate came out and I was like this is cool but ima keep playing Wii U

[@SophiaSoft_2]

Yes

[@capabartz7380]

@@SophiaSoft_2 good to know

[@ExitScam]

Cloud was so overnerfed to ultimate it’s sad

[@rayminishi689]

Yeah, but he got buffed eventually. So take what you get. If theres a new smash bros that can keep the DLC characters. Expect them to be nerfed as well

[@ExitScam]

@@rayminishi689 yeah all this OP DLC will probably be normalized in the next smash for sure. At least cloud had like 7 small buffs that did make a good difference from the games launch

[@ivrydice0954]

All things considered he turned out pretty well.

[@ExitScam]

@@ivrydice0954 yeah true. I would make his grab a 6 frame since he has a frame 9 slowest grab, no kill throws or combos from throws and nair hit box needs to be a little bigger

[@ivrydice0954]

@@ExitScam When you have a back air that's -3 on landing having a fast grab seems like a bit much. You do you though.

[@phonytoy8621]

空nのデカさでスマ4って気づいたわ

[@TW13024]

Smash 4 was the goat

[@MAEVELOVE1]

That coin amazes me

[@Malik-ps4xs]

Smash 4 where's boss at👀

[@RiverRiceRansom]

Damn Right!

[@るし-q4m]

これなに？

[@sheridan5175]

Smash 4 lol They're playing every smash game at this event

[@jiyucy]

4 > Ult

[@Franck_Gerard]

I didn't know this game was still a thing

[@randomgamerdude98]

Its not, its super smash con so they do a tournament for all the smash games

[@thatdude3977]

This makes me wanna play smash 4 Ryu!!

[@ggsilost]

imma kill myself if I see another animal crossing stage

[@blas787]

Wtf this Luigi looks nothing like ultimate Luigi.

[@number090684]

This was back when he was more balanced and not the 0 to KO machine that he is in Ultimate.

[@alvaropinilla8639]

@@number090684 meanwhile cloud is way more unbalanced in ssb4

[@sheridan5175]

He's not changed much compared to, say, ike

[@kajuanlockett8980]

@@number090684 Perhaps but don’t forget Luigi was heavily nerfed this game. Pre-nerf, Luigi was top 5, arguably higher.

[@kingofpancakes1278]

@@kajuanlockett8980 man pre-patch luigi was a DEMON. good times LOL. early smash 4 in general was a real trip

[@brawlronald998]

Lo más xd para mí es que el webon de la derecha tiene un furro por detrás

[@zanedurante3709]

Cloud got nerfed way too hard in ultimate. Might actually be a fun character if people couldn’t just camp out limit for 15 seconds. His recovery is just way too bad.

[@ivrydice0954]

You know his recovery was worse in 4 right?

[@zanedurante3709]

@@ivrydice0954 yeah but it’s still bad, edge guarding is easier, and limit is SO much worse.

[@roachewy]

he’s top 15 now

[@yusukeleiva]

the ones saying ultimate is better sucks at real fighting games and rely on the dramatic kills

[@かわのたて-v5x]

スマ4の方が面白いが…

[@skunthundler]

Something about watching smash 4 makes me sick. It's like they're all moving through molasses.

[@FrnzFrdnnd]

Sm4sh Boys

[@PoisonFuri]

0:28 this game is so fucking corny lol

[@doodoodaadoo1]

Seeing luigi grab with his hands looks wrong

[@rohan4492]

クラウドの空Nでけえw

[@wuudy_doni]

This game looks so slow nowadays.

[@rokiloki1023]

え、なにこれ！？

[@ringoyuri9387]

郜

[@sakuyaizayoi2441]

WHATTT????????

[@nyill3512]

I don’t get why people thought smash 4 was one of the best, like the game felt like you were playing in slow-motion. The knockback was slow, and so was the movement.

[@rhysjones1108]

In hindsight after playing ultimate ya, but back then you couldn’t really notice it imo

[@ivrydice0954]

Oddly enough Ult has less movement options than this game.

[@TW13024]

It may be slow but you can control your character better

[@roachewy]

wow this game looks like shit

[@freezeframeplease]

fuck smash 4 is ugly looking, really glad they left the realistic shining and fire effects behind, this looks like a nintendo fan game on unreal engine lmao

[@firestorm3k882]

Brawl: let me introduce myself

[@178laaleros]

Even smash 4 luigi is stupid. I remember thre gtx tournament leo had coaching for his set against elegant. This set also reminds me why smash 4 was a bad game to play in tournaments

[@rhysjones1108]

Crazy that if he had landed anything but the sour spot of back air he would have won that and made history for luigi nation

[@randomgamerdude98]

@@rhysjones1108 i still remember that 4 years later😭

[@tnsxpm]

this game is ugly

[@SendFoodz]

it looked so weird seeing them fly away.. other than that I didn't even realize it wasn't ultimate