SSD PCIe 5.0 vs PCIe 4.0 vs PCIe 3.0 Loading Games

[@TestingGames]

Games : Hogwarts Legacy - 0:06 - gvo.deals/TG3HogwartsLegacy CYBERPUNK 2077 - 0:54 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesCP2077 Forza Horizon 5 - 1:08 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesForza5 Horizon Zero Dawn - 1:57 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesH0D GTA 5 - 2:16 Spider-Man Miles Morales - 2:38 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesSpiderManPC Sons Of The Forest - 2:57 Red Dead Redemption 2 - 3:37 - gvo.deals/TestingGamesRDR2 System: Windows 11 Core i9-13900K - bit.ly/3SgY3xf ASUS ROG Strix Z790-E Gaming - bit.ly/3scEZpc CPU Cooler - be quiet! Dark Rock Pro 4 - bit.ly/35G5atV GeForce RTX 4090 24GB - bit.ly/3CSaMCj 2xGeForce RTX 3090 24GB - bit.ly/36FqVdr G.SKILL Trident Z5 RGB 32GB DDR5 6000MHz CL38 PCIe 3.0 SAMSUNG 970 EVO - bit.ly/2NmWeQe PCIe 4.0 SAMSUNG 980 PRO - bit.ly/3lIAOC5 PCIe 5.0 GIGABYTE AORUS Gen5 10000 - bit.ly/3lFY2sD Power Supply CORSAIR HX Series HX1200 1200W - bit.ly/3EZWtNj

[@shperax]

Next time, throw in like a 7200RPM HDD. I know some people are still using OS on SSD and everything else on HDD. Which is silly considering how cheap SSD storage is these days but still.

[@TokitoKusun]

Ueuejja

[@hohtetpopl4961]

для pcie 5.0, нужны специальные мат. платы и процессор?

[@Benjamin-wy4dj]

What about other tests for ssds? Like download, installation and update speed for games? Could u try carrying these tests for games with large sizes like 100GB of storage space?

[@Tom-zw9jr]

Hi testing, can u "testing" :) Max payne 3 multiplayer, is so fun and still played on PC

[@Alex-b6b9y]

I love it, can't wait for pcie 6.0. I need ±0,01% performance

[@Deses]

I do want pcie 6.0. That's will mean pcie 4.0 speeds with just 1 lane rather than 4.

[@danilomangisel3394]

Cant wait for pcie99😅

[@caicai491]

The only meaning of PCIE 5.0 SSD is to show how reasonable it is when you save 300 for upgrading your GPU.

[@Николай-к3к3б]

Compared soooo different ssd: PCIe 3.0 SAMSUNG 970 EVO - middle segment PCIe 4.0 SAMSUNG 980 PRO - top ssd when PCIe 4.0 was fastest standart for ssd PCIe 5.0 GIGABYTE AORUS Gen5 10000 - super mega top now. How much different performance GIGABYTE AORUS Gen5 1000 when it use PCIe 3.0, 4.0, 5.0 versions?

[@Hunter-nb5bj]

@streamx3m I think they are saying to save your money on a 5.0 SSD and get a slower one and put the money towards the gpu purchase. But yeah that was a weird way to say that… not sure why they have so many likes 😂

[@lexavlogs7149]

​@Николай now 990 pro is new top Tier ssd gen4.0 until come 1010 pro gen5.0

[@chadbizeau5997]

Gen5 drives may allow for 2 pice lane use instead of 4. So in theory you could get pcie4 speeds with half the lanes. This would allow for more storage options especially on CPUs and motherboards limited pcie lanes.

[@dazeen9591]

@@lexavlogs7149 WD Black SN850X is faster than Samsung 990 Pro

[@iamfennelly]

I've watched 4 minutes of pure loading screens 💀

[@mainreper]

©when u launched starfield

[@DreamFilmBerlin]

and then buy a pcie 5.0 SSD to save loading time

[@Archive385]

Why didn't you just skip to the final times? Me when I don't know what KZbin timestamps are *insert Drake tech support meme*

[@MikeleKonstantyFiedorowiczIV]

for science

[@jebes909090]

What a time to be alive right 🤣😂😂

[@guilhermeprovezi]

My first SSD was a 120gb OCZ (Sata 3) in 2012. Colleagues came to my house to see the difference for the HDD. I still use it today and it has no flaws. That was indeed a difference in terms of upgrade.

[@angrysocialjusticewarrior]

Sata ssd's from those days were not even fast enough to max out the speed limit of the sata connector. Modern sata drives would smoke your drive, and in your case... going from your current sata drive to a current gen 5 nvme would actually produce a speed difference you can actually FEEL when using a modern computer.

[@Doyle69]

Was my first SSD also, never went back to standard HDD's since.

[@kgt8742]

An ssd that survived 11+ years. That's actually insane😂

[@maxxwalters2829]

I'm still using the Intel 520 120GB for my main drive from 2012

[@SteveSales99]

I too still have my ocz 120Gb SSD from 2011. I have planet coaster installed on it and it still runs great. Also I have a Samsung 980 pro m.2 with my operating system and other games. Yes, it is miles faster booting and moving files etc... But loading games, it is faster than the sata, but not night and day!

[@dal968]

In games there is no big difference because what does really matter is RANDOM read/write. PCIE 5.0 has huge Sequential read/write, is very good if you work with big files. Pointless if you work with tiny files.

[@RobbieKhan]

The Random r/w hasn't changed dramatically at all since gen 3, this should have been the main focus for SSD makers all this time. Can you imagine even a high spec gen 3 with similar random r/w as sequential? It would blow every SSD whatever the gen out of the water. it would probably be expensive, but with good reason. currently all you need is a decent Gen 3 drive and nothing more for gaming and day to day use.

[@gscurd75]

Even large files suffer once the cache is filled up. There is very little point to spending that much on a gen 5 for the average user currently.

[@Chanandler_Bong-z2z]

It's testing games, not testing read/write. Clown

[@excesssum]

@@gscurd75 but BIGGER number = more BETTER!

[@lethanhtung4972]

@@excesssum more money

[@Worldofdocumentary_now]

The joke is on Multiplayer games when you have to wait 30 more seconds for that one dude who is on an HDD. 😅

[@jaster9870]

yeah really

[@Tutankamion196]

No one can touch you on single player games though but yeah good point

[@iikatinggangsengii2471]

lul

[@Your_Favorite_Onion]

Dude, i remember like 5 years ago i had old laptop with old bad hdd and my friend was always complaining about fact that with me he had to wait for so long to load league of legend i remember it was like 5 minutes every game XD

[@Worldofdocumentary_now]

@@Your_Favorite_Onion lol For real man! our machines may be terrible but those days were gold man...I remember when Call of Duty weren't much of a woke back then, I used to play on PS4 with HDD and we'd patiently wait to get a good game.

[@CalisMan247]

Wow, such a big difference can’t wait to upgrade all my m.2 drives with PCIe 5.0s, that 1 to 4 second improvement is really gonna give me the edge and is so much faster!

[@Grena567]

Its not meant for games anyway.. its for people who work with lots of data where its a huge time saver

[@ThreaT0298]

​@@Grena567so gaming performance doesn't matter ? I mean if o have a HDD will I get less fps compared to an ssd

[@p3dropr]

​@@ThreaT0298 same fps but much more load time

[@Z4d0k]

@@ThreaT0298 any modern SSD will give effectively the same game performance. However, if you're using an old HDD, some games (like Cyberpunk) may have issues streaming textures fast enough when you're driving around etc.

[@Unknown-rk9qm]

@@ThreaT0298 It really helps you with installing, downloads, transfer data etc. But is it a gamechanger? idk

[@JDNasty]

Beautiful! I love informative videos that are rarely tested.

[@sabilza]

The main advantage of PCIe 5 is its bandwidth per lane. You only need 4 lanes to have the same 16 lanes speed of PCIe 3 (16GB/s). This could benefit low-medium spec and mobile hardware which only have 16 PCIe lanes

[@mayonotes9849]

The problem is the price for the PCIe 5 drives. Normal consumers especially low-medium spec PCs might as well get Gen 3 SSDs and save a good amount of money to just get a better GPU for example.

[@Frozoken]

​@@mayonotes9849 Or just pay $10 more and get a gen 4 drive? Extremes are not the only option here

[@mayonotes9849]

@@Frozoken If you live in the US, maybe. But in some other markets the pricing is a lot higher for newer gen drives. A Gen 4 2TB will cost nearly double of a Gen 3 2TB NVME SSD here.

[@Frozoken]

@@mayonotes9849 lol wtf that's unfortunate. I concede on your point then. Fair enough

[@jessefisher1809]

@@mayonotes9849 I doubt the reason for that is the pcie generation. Probably lacking a few other features those cheaper drives... dram for example.

[@SavingPrivateBob]

I'd love to see a basic transfer test, such as transfering from HDD to all the PCIes, one from SSD and one from the same drive. Something like a 5GB file. Just to see how much faster transfer speeds are on it.

[@lir4e]

5gb Is a very small sample because speeds probably aren't linear. 100GB or event 500GB would be more consistent

[@3333218]

The HDD would be the bottleneck in all cases.

[@selohcin]

Wow, there's truly no reason to spend more money on anything more than a good PCIE 3.0 SSD. The difference between PCIE 3.0 and PCIE 5.0 (in game load times) is less than five seconds in every game. Thanks for testing.

[@Frozoken]

Nah gen 4 drives are worth it and barely more expensive. The 980 pro is a pretty early gen 4 drive, the sn850x is about the fastest gen 4 ssd for games and isn't expensive. I don't get the point in trying to cheap out so much on ssds, especially when ssds are like the only pc components consistently getting cheaper year over year. Just because lots of companies launch them at high prices doesn't mean they stay that way, the 990 pro was at like half price literally months after its release. Imagine if we had that happen with gpus 😅

[@MsNyara]

@@Frozoken The low end 4.0 drivers doesn't even runs at 4.0 speeds so it doesn't matters. Assuming 1TB, you'd need to spend minimum in a $120 SSD to start noticing a difference, assuming your motherboard M2/CPU are 4.0 to start with. Just buy the cheapest'ish with DRAM if you want more quality and the cheapest without DRAM if you priority cost effectiveness more if you just want it for gaming ends or very basic PC uses. You should just invest more if you have specific non-gaming workload in mind that would benefit from more speed, with archival works benefiting specially.

[@Frozoken]

@@MsNyara Not even, just get the good ones for Like $5 more. Where I'm from tbe kc3000 is $5 aud more than the 980 non pro. The kc3000 is one of the fastest drives. Yall need to learn how to research. Are pcie 4 drives constantly only 5% more than 3.0 drives? No, but with a little effort u can absolutely get one for 5% more. With the exception of 4tb drives, you can find good 4.0 drives for only slightly more. Also don't get me wrong, I'm sure you can find qlc drives even with dram for much less than a good 4.0 drive but ur basically negating the benefits of an nvme ssd at that point. If you want your ssd to die prematurely, and drop off to below hard drive speeds after 10 seconds, be my guest and enjoy your $20 saved bucks for ur pseudo ssd. Oh yeah and if your vram constrained, good luck on getting your game to not crash on anything other than at least a decent pcie 4.0 ssd.

[@MsNyara]

@@Frozoken KC3000 barely runs past PCI 2.0 specs (2000mb/s). Claimed speed is not real speed, they are just a lie, we are forced to check benchmarks.

[@Frozoken]

@@MsNyara Wtf are you talking about? The claimed speed is legit, I've tested the drives personally in a build for a client, what kinda moronic conspiracy theory is this???

[@stevegonzales527]

Remember PCIe gives you a couple seconds longer to pee or get snacks

[@conpa18dany]

in that case go for a Sata HDD :D

[@5cent]

No, sata 3 for it

[@Adri-cb4xn]

I have a 970 evo plus 2TB, and seeing that the difference between 3.0 and 5.0 is only 15% at most, it relieved me a lot and I see that I don´t need to upgrade to 5.0 at all.

[@luiscanales696]

Maybe in 2 years worth

[@Adri-cb4xn]

@@luiscanales696 I think 6.0 will worth, the difference between SSD 3.0 and 5.0 don't worth at all, unless you come from a SATA SSD or a low end 3.0 SSD

[@matteofeyaerts]

Direct storage will change this

[@sml1ey928]

@@luiscanales696 nope some people still game on hdd disk so.. not worth it ssd is anyway fast on even pcie 3.0

[@D9ID9I]

That's nice drive. It will serve you well next 10 years. Zero reason to care.

[@hovant6666]

PCIe 5.0 should never have been deployed in the consumer market, all it did is drive up motherboard prices and strip them of useful features like 7-segment debug displays

[@mainsource8030]

tech doubles , therefore you have more lanes as 8 x gen 5 = 16 x gen 4 etc.

[@kalel6253]

This is exactly what we needed. Thank you so much!!!

[@ziloga]

Excellent and informative - should have more views.

[@JustFun598]

Games still dont widely support Direct Storage, so loading games is still not a huge difference yet, only by tiny margin, BUT, from 2023 games should start to support Direct Storage more and more, and that is when we will be able to load them instantly with fast SSD`s, and it should also help with the stuttering. Right now the only big noticeable difference is with installing/downloading games, compression/decompression.........

[@martinantelo7086]

Only 1 game so far supports it.

[@mihailcirlig8187]

​@@martinantelo7086 Which is also a trash game

[@pengu6335]

Imagine if both the Spiderman games supported Direct Storage. I feel it would dramatically increase the CPU performance.

[@ThreaT0298]

​@@mihailcirlig8187which one it is

[@PatEagle787]

DirectStorage will have the same fate as multi-GPU support.

[@Mockingmob]

Such a shame that Intel decided to ditch the Optane project. An Optane drive operating on PCIe gen 3 beats ANY modern NAND based drives easily in random read & write speed. It's hilarious fast for loading games too. Not to mention that near infinite lifespan 😢

[@selohcin]

Right, but you pay something like four times the cost per terabyte. Capacities were absurdly small.

[@nightdark2616]

I bet that long life span was the reason they ditched it. Planned obsolescence and all.

[@wolfstorm5394]

It's really expensive for the small capacity you get, and you'd need an Intel CPU to take advantage of the speed boost it offered, so I don't see this as something most people would invest in

[@maklogetrich2378]

it takes effort to setup optane drives, and backing up, and re-install windows

[@averyalexander2303]

@@nightdark2616 No way, people almost always upgrade their SSD way before they fail. My Samsung 960 Pro is rated for 400TB of writes and in the last 6 years and 40K hours (about 4.5 years) of runtime, I used up a whopping 30TB of writes. So at this rate, my drive should theoretically last me about 74 more years. Crystaldiskinfo still shows 100% health too👍

[@raffyluvmiharu]

So basically If you mostly building a budget rig for gaming like example 12400F with 3060 or 3060 Ti, PCIe 3.0 will suffice eh.

[@73atman86]

all still ssds. results are not surprising. Even hdds are pretty fast paired with a powerrful gpu

[@pattraverse778]

It is the same thing with GPUs. PCIe 3.0 x16 is still enough for most cards.

[@Soulleey]

@@73atman86 what are you talking about? xDD what have hdds to do with gpus???

[@raffyluvmiharu]

@@Soulleey i think he meant that even if u are using HDD can load game fast as along as you have powerful GPU. But we know the real answer to that already. I see no point using HDD as your main drive as SDD even if Sata SSD is fast and cheap

[@Soulleey]

@@raffyluvmiharu but that makes no sense the gpu has zero impact on loading times... just the singlecore performance of the cpu (and ram) and the speed of the drive... and if you use an hdd its obviously the bottleneck and a faster cpu wont make that much of a difference

[@ydva1317]

The best thing about the release of 5.0= 3.0 and 4.0 become more affordable

[@Nemesiz00]

Just for the heck of it, you should compare 5.0's single vs raid 0. Also, for loading times, I would suggest using Total War: Warhammer III. Loading screens are hella long there.

[@freezingfire810]

We've hit the diminishing returns peak

[@madeniran]

Only for Gaming, but not for other use cases. That would stress the bandwidth.

[@salami99]

not yet, wait till games are 1 tb each! cod is on the path

[@lucaskp16]

not the case is just that games are not made to take advantage of a fast SSD. look at spiderman 2 on PS5 with a 7500 disk. since the devs know all ps5 will have access to it they made the game without a single load screen since it never needs to load a ton of stuff at once. the problem is that this way of asset loading will make the game literally unplayable on a hard drive with some people still use even for games. since even if modern games take 1 to a couple minutes to lead on a HDD they work mostly fine after other than popping.

[@rasta77-x7o]

@@salami99 My Flight Sim is 2 TB lol.

[@ilijazafirov4192]

You make great videos, a lot of information without any spoken word, keep it up

[@daxconnell7661]

not a huge difference right now. the biggest move is from mechanical to ssd. a friend of mine and i were playing an online game and my load time with a mechanical hard drive was roughly 1 1/2 minutes slower sometimes , for loading. needless to say i have a 2tb ssd for some of my games now that need the fast loading

[@h2oaddict61]

Having an SSD for the OS and an HDD dedicated to your games isn't a bad policy, especially if you monitor fragmentation. Some modern games do benefit from fast ssd's though.

[@BlueDrew10]

@@h2oaddict61 That was good advice until recently, but now a 1tb NVME SSD can be had for $45. Or 2tb for $90, so the only reason to buy an HDD for a gaming PC is if you're also using it for something that needs more than 2tb.

[@lu34lyf]

HDD have no place in any modern PC remotely for gaming or office work! none of my customers computers use HDD any more, every single one commented how much quicker they are as general tasks, file moving and even updating!

[@unsolved8108]

Despite the great speeds of these SSDs, man!! These games take forever to launch.

[@TheMoises1213]

I blame the developers

[@samuraiLgrande]

@@TheMoises1213 and u are right most of the time, if it needs to load a whole map and every feature like forza horizon 5 is normal

[@salami99]

gotta be the next limit, Cpu or gpu or code. you can plug the 63,000 mbps drive in it would be maybe 7 seconds faster

[@wufuwen2010]

want to see the temperature change.

[@juwcotbaaytv6740]

Thanks for this comparison !

[@rakesh1519]

needed a 4th option the SATA ssd

[@Ilestun]

Yup would have been noce to include a good old 860evo in those tests. Many still have those mid range data ssds in their PC and still instal games on them.

[@DeathLessBoss]

I dont mind losing 2 secs, enough to get my self confy on the kitchen chair

[@CrispyOBacon]

Conclusion: 5.0 is 3x the price for identical performance(only about 1 second faster)

[@TIOLIOfficial]

If you're buying a PCIe 4 or 5 NVMe just to load your games insignificantly faster, you're wasting your money.

[@Orlando-hy5vi]

I got ssd sata for my game and PCIe 4 for Windows and another for spécial game and other think

[@N5O1]

be quiet, they could hear you...

[@blueknight7100]

So where do we benefit from its speed?

[@TTV_Breezer]

Stay maf

[@I.C.Weiner]

​@@blueknight7100Hes just coping because he cant afford one.

[@atom608]

I think the main issue with Pci-5 SSDs is the controllers are not upto spec with the bandwidth they can push out, give it a couple years and will notice a bit of a differnce just like pci 3/4

[@AdiiS]

there is barely any difference between 3 and 4, BARELY

[@NadeemAhmed-nv2br]

@@AdiiS there is if you buy a Enterprise level SSD but that cost 10 times more than a regular nvme SSD so it's definitely not worth it

[@laggmonstret]

@@NadeemAhmed-nv2br But then you would use EDSFF E1 or E3 drivers that and most likely a workstation for that usage. Not for a gaming PC :D

[@ErnestJay88]

Why only small difference ? even thought PCIE 5 SSD basically 5x faster in sequential read and write compare to PCIE 3 ? the answer is because game loading wasn't meant to load a single big file but load hundred even thousand of small files, while sequential read/write only applicable for single huge file. even SATA SSD that stuck @ 6 gigabits/seconds (550 MB/s) only few seconds slower in loading games compare to PCIE 5.0 NVME SSD.

[@trsskater]

Between gen 5 only being in its infancy and direct storage games starting to come out is going to make fast storage finally worth the upgrade.

[@zordiarkdarkeater8625]

One important info is that the PCI5 SSDs are too young their Write and Read speeds are really good but their RANDOM read/write speeds are worse then the highend PcIe ssds. and during actual gameplay thats waaay more important. but thats also depends on the Game itself.

[@Dastiel.]

Intel Optane DC P5800X! До 3,2 TB! Лучший SSD!

[@PSYCHOV3N0M]

​@@Dastiel.There isn't a 3.2TB model.

[@fredcrewneck]

3:41 that beat is hard

[@summaryjudgment]

Very informative video. I still don't see the need for PCIe 5.0 in a purely gaming rig due to cost, but as games get bigger and bigger in terms of size, these could be critical. If you're a person who likes to uninstall games you aren't actively playing, 5.0 would save you a few minutes on the reinstall I suppose.

[@gloomy935]

They"ll never be critical, most games still runs fine with an HDD

[@a-mir905]

@@gloomy935 that's completely false, most games are horrible using an HDD. they either get massive stutters during loading or changing scenery or the load times are super long.

[@gloomy935]

@@a-mir905 like hogwarts legacy? badly optimized games will stutter using hdd, re4 remake here ran fine with an 10 year old HDD i had.

[@cyclix5314]

@@gloomy935 RE4 remake isn't an optimised game though

[@gloomy935]

@@cyclix5314 yes, it is not

[@vladislavkaras491]

Thanks for the video!

[@mareksinister]

Honestly, in real world, you could barely tell a difference between a SATA SSD and an NVMe SSD. Once you have an SSD, you are fine.

[@alrizo1115]

depends if you work on tb of files in video editing/3d.

[@brodylockwood14]

The only positive thing about PCIE 5 ssd's now for gamers is that you can buy a PCIE 3 4tb NVME for under $300!

[@ofekmoyal]

Worth mentioning it speed only matters to a certain degree before it's bottlenecked by the CPU and RAM speeds and proper game coding. Games and even modern hardware isn't meant to load games any faster. Afcourse that'll change.

[@quanghuyvu2649]

No, the codes behind the games aren't the bottlenecks, neither the ram nor the cpu. It's the architecture of the NAND flash that is reaching its limit. Rows of electrons in the NAND flash aren't bending reality to go faster than it should. You can have the best CPU, best ddr5 ram and good codes but it will be bottlenecked by the fundamental laws in a NAND flash. An i5 13600k will load the game as fast as i9 13900ks since the electrons from the NAND are being called out, the cpu would just be waiting.

[@lu34lyf]

@@quanghuyvu2649 exactly this! heck even an i3 could compete! in the correct situations

[@Lointern]

Between a SSD SATA and a SSD NVME there is not much difference in games and boot of the system. The difference is more in the copy, paste of large files.

[@ShadowLancer128]

Crucial MX500 4TB SATA owner right here 🙋‍♂️

[@PeterPauls]

For games, at the moment, a good quality Sata SSD is enough. I have a 500GB M.2 NVMe 4.0 as a boot drive and 2TB Sata SSD for games, I tried it that I installed some games to the NVMe drive but not real difference. If it really would be a meaningful difference I will upgrade though.

[@akuwdf8057]

Same here, bought 1tb samsung 970 evo plus because it was cheaper that 870 evo. Been using before 500gb 860 evo as boot drive, after cloning everything to 970 the only noticable difference is the booting is slightly faster.

[@frznfox4401]

i was planning on upgrading my samsung 970 evo plus 2tb drive wich is pci 3.0 but after watching this i´m good thank

[@PJthePlayer]

There's a lot more to these SSDs than just load screens. A big factor is texture pop-in and stutter when loading new areas which can be significantly reduced with faster drives. I definitely notice an overall improvement with my new 7800X3D build where I went from Gen 3 to Gen 4 SSDs.

[@AshLordCurry]

Gen 3 to gen 4 is understandable, for consumers, gen 5 drives are kind of overkilled, we have to see when there'll be better drives by Samsung and Sabrent coming.

[@PJthePlayer]

@RiDOU ! Currently have 64GB of DDR5 6000

[@Dastiel.]

@@PJthePlayer А зачем тебе DDR5 6000 на 64 ГБ, если 2 по 16 будут быстрее? Я взял DDR5 6400 32 ГБ.

[@PJthePlayer]

​@@novagb6717 Nah fam. This can easily be proven with frametime graphs or by comparing any game that has traversal stutter.

[@Snow.2040]

@@PJthePlayer Transfersal stutter is almost always caused by decompression of textures which is usually handled by the cpu.

[@cmja09]

I only game, and got 2 pieces of 2TB Adata SX8200 Pro for my mini itx PC. They're so cheap now! Only 105 USD each Kingston NV2 2TB is cheaper but it has too much risk

[@maemilev]

No point buying 5.0 then. In multiplayer games like GTA V, u need to wait for HDD users loading.

[@oldschooldude8370]

This is trivial. I migrated from a sata II platter to evo 870. Thats a performance upgrade.

[@connorWithTheReallyLongHandle]

Might be good to test Forbroken load times since it supports DirectStorage (of all the games to support it why'd it have to be the first)

[@faradiaulia5560]

Forspoken loading really fast ! I have finished the game

[@Birdman._.]

Forgotten*

[@Bos_Meong]

@@Birdman._. nobody gonna forgot the game with most unlikeable MC, boring story and horrible performance.

[@squidigin9515]

Size > speed. MSI Spatium - fairly fast for gen 4, just bought 4TB for $160 brand new.

[@AMD_PLAYER]

3s between PCIE3 and PCIE5 in games but when the copy data, I think they will have much different.

[@24avenged24]

The difference should remain proportional but yes would make more of a difference copying large files, but is that really a common use case for the average person?

[@AntiGrieferGames]

I have issues (Trottle) on big data transfer on a nvme ssd to a nvme ssd compared to a sata ssd.

[@AstroTwist]

​@@24avenged24 Gen 3 is more than Enough for Most user like gamers and Others But if you a Graphics Desiner than You can Buy A good Gen 4 ssd Like KC3000 👌👌👌 Because in 3D Work Need More Read and Write Speed for Project import , export And for Moving the Project And Switching Continously Some 3D Apps.

[@wyrdstone]

Sequentially is where you'd see the biggest improvements, but with gaming, it's random. You'll save a few seconds overall, which is mostly going to end up being inconsequential. If you do other things like transfer large files around for whatever reason, then 4.0 is fine, as it's not much more expensive than some 3.0 while on sale. Otherwise, do whatever makes sense for you. My mobo supports up to 4 nvme m.2 slots, so 4 2TB 970 Evos on sale will cost about $320, whereas a the 980 in the same category will be $400 (and hopefully without the bad firmware, then there's the time cost to updating each one). Not a huge savings difference, but still a lot of money that could be spent elsewhere. Now back in the day, jumping from a HDD to a SSD, now that was amazing, and worth the price.

[@Andytlp]

Yeah back in the day when i first upgraded to ssd. it was 1 dollar per 1gb of ssd. Nowadays you can get 4tb for how much i paid then lol. As for what to buy today, i'd go with gen 4 nvme's. gen 3 is a bit old now and gen 4 arent that much more expensive.

[@teox85]

Finally, no one has 2 second to waste!

[@b0rg1010]

So the issue with SSDs is sequential reads on a single, large file is very quick and each generation of SSD with be faster in this respect, however the major flaw with this technology is random access where all generations of SSD are super slow and regardless of generation all run roughly the same speed, because games have thousands of small to medium files to load they all perform relatively similar times. The bottleneck is the controller which companies need to improve on. They are however faster than mechanical drives in terms of speed.

[@prabhakardhar1379]

legends are still on hdd 😎

[@Fredroix2]

Direct storage is the only reason to get one and it’s not properly out yet

[@esg-offical]

Can you do same comparison with when Visual Studio Project Build?

[@brianjerez8132]

My PCIe 3.0 NVMe + SATA SSD are good enough for me and fast enough for my PC needs.

[@komander2365]

You should've compared them in a heavy minecraft modpack loading. I have Samsung Evo 980 and it takes almost 7 minutes to load Project Ozone 3 modpack. Would be really interesting to see how much it would take for a gen 5 SSD

[@b0rg1010]

It'll be the same.

[@komander2365]

@@b0rg1010 why? Is it because loading that many assets relies on CPU? I'm not really sure about that, that's why I'd like to see the result in practice

[@WhopperStunner]

@@komander2365 Yeah mostly CPU. Modpack size is usually quite small at around a gigabyte on average so throughput doesn't really matter that much. RAM speed can somewhat improve things slightly but not by much.

[@Wingless_DraGon-hex]

But it's gpu and ram limited textures not storage

[@Soupax_]

I tried to run the same modpack as you on a sata SSD (Samsung 860 Evo 1TB) As much slower SSD than you limited at 580 MB/s beacause of SATA limit, it take me almost 3 minutes to load Projet Ozone 3. We can conclude that it's the processor and ram that influence the launch of Minecraft modpack For info I tested with : AMD Ryzen 7 7700x Corsair Dominator DDR5 5600 Mhz (16*2 GB) but 8 allocated to Minecraft

[@Volz__]

Cons of Gen 5. Shorter load in times mean shorter time to run to the bathroom 😂

[@letsplayskyrimle9391]

Advice for the really gamer who plays (or want to play) single player games at 4K and/or in VR, : Advice 1: Save your money for the graphics card (at least 16 GB of VRAM). Advice 2: Save your money for the graphics card (at least 16 GB of VRAM). Advice 3: Save your money for the graphics card (at least 16 GB of VRAM). ... Advice 9: Save your money for the CPU (6 cores minimum, but preferably 8 cores). Advice 10: Save your money for 32 GB of RAM.

[@grinx1234]

Can you please do this type test again but with games that have Direct storage feature ...

[@daryljoe3174]

3 seconds=300 dollars 😂

[@angelgonzalez2379]

I only play with pcie 5 and up. Anything below that and the lag makes me miss my shots.

[@sandeepmishra9865]

Ahh.. I miss HDD days, when you ccould read tips on the loading screens..

[@KelGhu]

Loading time is one thing. But it would also be interesting to see the improvements on 1% and 0.1% lows. Especially on systems with low VRAM and/or low RAM.

[@nadtz]

I'd be interested to see if direct storage on forspoken shows any meaningful difference (I doubt it would be much) but not worth buying just to test that. It will be interesting to see how much faster gen5 gets as the controller/nand matures though.

[@Foukez]

These direct storage talk hype me up when was announced, now I am just putting it side by side with gta 6, this shit won't launch till 2027, Microsoft don't care about gamers at all.

[@nadtz]

@@Foukez it's already launched, it may take some time to get implemented in games but even that should be more of a thing in the next year or so.

[@Foukez]

@@nadtz MS don't care about gamers, its in the bottom list of they priorities, especially when we are talking about windows. I will be very surprised if they implement it before 2027.

[@nadtz]

@@Foukez I don't know why you don't just check, DS is implemented in windows 10/11 for like a year now. It will take longer for it to get into new games but that's par for the course.

[@_ynnek]

I'm probably going to get a PCIe 4.0 since the price isn't that much of a difference imo, well i did came across a KLEVV CRAS 930, P3 Plus, Kingston NC3000 or should i get something cheaper like the Kingston NV2?

[@Geezer341]

Нужно было тестить один и тот же SSD (GIGABYTE AORUS Gen5), но в разных режимах. А так у тебя три разных диска, они и так будут показывать разные результаты, даже если все три будут работать на PCI 3.0.

[@darkkboy2525]

ну будем честны,сейчас уже обычного м2 на PCIE 3.0 за глаза хватают,куда уж там на PCI 4.0 И PCI 5.0

[@Geezer341]

@@darkkboy2525 Да, но речь не об этом.

[@Karaby-j8x]

но, имхо, и так понятно, что любая версия диска отлично подойдет для игропомойки

[@Karaby-j8x]

Кстати, есть такой момент, который мог быть не учтен автором: "У LGA1700 есть небольшой нюанс. Дело в том, что пятую версию интерфейса поддерживают только 16 линий PCI-E от процессора, предназначенные для видеокарты. Четыре линии, выделенные для NVMe-накопителя, а также сама связь процессора с чипсетом базируются на четвертой версии PCI-E. То есть прямой возможности установить быстрый накопитель PCI-E 5.0 платформа не имеет. Для ее организации придется устанавливать SSD на отдельную плату расширения, вставляемую в разъем PCI-E x4 или PCI-E x8, и тем самым лишать драгоценных восьми линий видеокарту.".

[@deadselect]

Вариантов тестирования много, и все более чем востребованы Как пример: 4.0 накопитель, вставленный в 5.0 слот уже быстрее работает, чем на чипсетных линиях, потому что работает напрямую с процем. А мы не знаем, как именно он проводил тесты :(

[@gregcy89]

What about temps of 5th gen? I heard that there is throttling when getting hot

[@ThanosWasRightt]

The reason why we don't see much difference in PCIe 5.0 is because the games aren't actually using it yet. Wait a few more years when games are 300gb worth of space and the engines start to use the faster storage.

[@chaz-e]

Nope, it is because the random read speed is similar for PCIe 3, 4 and 5 SSDs. Only the sequential reads are fast, which doesn't happen in case of game loading.

[@rasta77-x7o]

Plenty of games are over 500GB now.

[@UniversalPwner21]

Okay so with this video in mind, why is CDPR pushing for NVME for the PL DLC on Cyberpunk? When a SATA SSD matchs most NVME 3.0 drives and then up to Gen 5 makes less than 5 sec diff? Any info would be awesome.

[@chaz-e]

So that you can load 5secs faster.

[@xxovereyexx5019]

for now nvme pcie 5.0 not really needed for gaming, but someday will

[@Dankuzmeemusmaximus]

for now nvme m.2 is not needed at all TBH sata still performs the same For now until more directstorage games come

[@Rayer24]

A nice sata drive is still great for gaming. But where these fast nvmes really shine is in large data transfer

[@AncientED5]

People said that about 4.0 and it's already been replaced lmao

[@AntiGrieferGames]

@@Rayer24 It trottle always while transfer big datas. so slower than sata ssds lmao

[@wakesake]

Thanks for the vid in short the difference from best to worst is less then 5 seconds , sooo.... dont waste your money

[@ztejstronymarcin]

Great movie, I was curious how it looks. It would be great to add to such a recording what the case looks like, e.g. hdd vs ssd sata3 vs pcie3, pcie 4, pcie5, or at least. hdd vs ssd sata3 vs pcie3, I've been curious about this for a long time. :)

[@make1me]

There may be no differences here, the games might be capped here on some rule, but on file transfers and video editing software etc. there will be proper 2x rise in speed.

[@samuraiLgrande]

well yeah, the only reason u wanna get PCIE 5.0 is for work with computer reasons, apart from that case it's just stupid buying one, like yeah, u can download games 1,5/2 times faster but who cares? for 300 bucks? nah

[@jonathanng138]

Now do an updated video of HDD vs SSD to see how far things have come

[@hiyoshinobu]

I think we're missing how PCI protocol works, but for loading games, for sure notas muchas differencias

[@azkaazka2877]

Difference 2 Second 😁😅😂🤣

[@JackMaslovLive]

Forza Horizon 5 only takes about 14-17 seconds for me to load, from the Start screen to the Horizon festival. Yours probably took longer cause it looks like you're loading into the DLC map.

[@User_SSG]

PCIe 3.0 is better compared to price.

[@M4sterClass]

So 960 GTX is better than 4090 if we are following your weeeeirdo logic

[@PannyLanny]

Listen guys, imo if you are using a fairly slower gen 3 ssd like 2gbps speed and low endurance one, then only it makes sense to go to gen 4 or gen 4 speed one or gen 5 upgrade if you already have a 3.5gbps gen 3 or a slower gen 4, getting into faster gen 4 or gen 5 is clearly not that benifitial and should only be considered if you want to get an ssd with new warranty period, higher capacity, more reliability, higher endurance, and not on the basis of speed.

[@Stanislav7180]

Gooood pci gen 3 nvme beat low cost gen 4!!!!

[@Frozoken]

Remember a few years ago when we'd be lucky to even see the uplift gen 4 drives get over gen 3 back when comparing sata ssds to gen 3 drives. To put that into context, gen 3 drives are about 7x faster than sata ssds while the 980 pro is only about 70% faster than the 970 evo plus. Ssd utilisation really is ramping up.

[@Physics072]

The 980pros 70 percent faster does not show up in real world only benchmarks. Maybe if you had two 980 pros can copying a file from one to the the other would be faster. Loading steam games I barely notice my 970evo nvme 2TB being much faster than my SATA SSD let along the 980pro

[@Physics072]

And the 970 does not need the heat since since it does not get as hot.

[@BackToTheStart47]

Gen 5 will matter a lot more when gpu texture streaming becomes a thing.

[@IntelArcTesting]

Gen 3 still more then enough and save an extra €25 over Gen 4 with at most 2 seconds difference.

[@gameexpert_8203]

for games the 5th gen is a waste of money

[@Tirth-Patel]

At least Gen 4 will be cheaper now 😀

[@san.cochado]

Yay, save 3 seconds on HL shader precomp! Something that only happens once and once more when you update your drivers.

[@deadselect]

Чтение мелких блоков не подросло. Как мне кажется, в большинстве случаев мы упираемся в оптимизацию, а не скорость накопителя. Сейчас можно сравнивать топовые накопители с RAM-Disk. Использовать 6000+ DDR5 RAM 128gb, поместить туда игру и увидеть, что скорость загрузки не выше, чем на SSD.

[@vitaliy7536]

Думаю вы почти правы - хотя мелкоблочное чтение потихоньку, но всё таки растёт (у меня у sata ssd - samsung 850 evo - 40 МБ\с, а у нового m2 pci-e 4 - samsung 980 pro - уже 75 МБ\с). А упор в играх сейчас, судя по всему, действительно в том как написан код подгрузки ресурсов, и для игр без direct storage'а (фактически - всех текущих игр кроме forspoken'а) влияет, видимо, как раз мелкоблочное чтение (этим и объясняется приличная разница во времени загрузки на hdd и sata ssd, и практически идентичная между sata и m2 ssd - т.к. разница в мелкоблочке у них всего в ~1.5-2 раза, против 50+ раз между hdd и сата ssd). А вот если есть direct storage - то упор уже будет совсем другой: в скорость декодирования ресорсов (проц\видюху) или в скорость накопителя (смотря что быстрее). Я недавно как раз тестил скорости загрузки в direct storage бенчмарке между cpu (ryzen 7800x3D) и видюхой (rtx 4090) на hdd, sata ssd и m2 ssd и результаты были уже совсем другие: При декодировании процем - упор в hdd (1.4 ГБ\с, ~6.3 сек загрузка) и sata ssd (2.05 ГБ\с, ~4.3 сек загрузка), а вот с m2 ссд упор уже будет в проц (5.5-6 ГБ\с, ~1.5 сек загрузка). При декодировании видюхой (т.е. тем, для чего вообще создан direct storage) - те же 1.4 и 2.05 ГБ\с на hdd и sata ssd, но уже 21-22 ГБ\с (0.4 сек загрузка) с m2 ссд (и тут явно упор в ссд, а не в видюху). Т.е. разница между сата ссд и hdd хотя и есть, но небольшая, а вот между сата и m2 ssd - разница в 3 раза при декодировании процем и аж в ~11 раз видюхой. Т.е. тут похоже что влияет уже линейная скорость чтения (она в ~12 раз выше чем у сата). К сожалению нету m2 pci-e 5 ссд чтобы проверить с более высокими линейными скоростями. Хотя в играх в реальности разница будет другая, что и показал форспокен (порядка 0-2 сек загрузка с m2, 3-7 сек - с сата, и 20-40 сек с hdd), но она хотя бы будет :)

[@deadselect]

​@@vitaliy7536 Сейчас z790 максимально раскрывает nvme через линии процессора. Если на других платформах, когда мой digma top g3 2тб был вставлен в чипсетный слот, геншин грузился едва быстрее, чем с sata crucial mx 500 480гб, то с покупкой z790 от asrock, скорости мелкоблока и "среднеблока" апнулись значительно. В бенчах попугаи этого самого доступного в ру рознице накопителя достигают значений, которые были актуальны у первых "игровых" m2 на момент их выхода. Теперь между скоростью загрузок sata и m2 реальная пропасть. Забавно наблюдать, как игроки с ps5 всё еще на экране загрузки, а ты уже бегаешь) Так что по сути, при существовании z790 платформы, все тесты ssd, что проводили раньше, обесценены даже в сравнении друг с другом

[@vitaliy7536]

​@@deadselect Это "раньше" было +- неделю назад, когда тестил новый комп, собранный 2.5 недели назад. Разница лишь в том что у меня АМД, а не интел (ryzen 7 7800x3d), потому не z790, а x670e (asus x670e crosshair hero c 2 "процессорными" pci-e 5 слотамии (ну и ещё 2 чипсетными pci-e 4 - их не тестил, но 1 pci-e 4 m2 тоже дожен почти с макс. скоростью работать (если нет других активных накопителей\устройств, естественно), т.к. чипсет соединён с процем теми же pci-e 4x4)). А мелкоблок чуть ниже (75, а не ~82) ТОЛЬКО потому что процы АМД чуть хуже с ним работают чем интеловские. Но так то оба pci-e 4 ссд (у меня 2 samsung 980 pro - на 1 ТБ и на 2 ТБ) подключены к "процессорным" pci-e 5 слотам. Так что все тесты прям более чем актуальны :)

[@deadselect]

@@vitaliy7536 ты, видимо, не видел реальный буст, который получается от смены платформы)

[@vitaliy7536]

@@deadselect Ну да, "не видел"... "Пересев" с ноута с i7-7700qh и 850 evo на 7800x3d и 980pro... Хотя, честно говоря, вообще не понял к чему это было :)

[@JynKay]

That test doesn’t make sense to me. 970 Evo is not even the same lineup as 980 Pro. You should’ve used the very same 5.0 SSD in each slot.

[@GameRTmaster]

Pcie 3.0 for me ! Only 2sec to 6sec difference 😂😂 I mean come on Only stupid people going to pay money for that difference!!

[@AntiGrieferGames]

Sata SSDs and PCIe 3.0 SSDs are best ones.

[@teddym2808]

Conclusion, a PCI 3 drive is still fast enough and does work with direct storage on compatible games also. PNY 4TB TLC 2.5K TBW gen 3 drive, 295 AUD Various 4TB Gen 4 TLC good endurance gen 4 drives, 800 AUD average. I can't see a 500 Australian dollar difference here. And if I really really want to speed up a particular game that *may* take advantage of it (half the stuff I play is old and wouldn't anyway) I can always move it to the 2TB OS drive just as a special case, or install it there (doing all the math in my head as want to put second ssd in new 18" Razer laptop but was deciding between 2TB gen 4 or 4TB Gen 3 for same price, OS drive is 2TB Gen 4).

[@bromoboy]

peak and sustained speed are different, sustained high speed of pcie 3 storage would beat an overheating pcie 5 card.....i still use my pcie 3 storage in my pcie 4 capable m.2

[@JonelKingas]

tbh if they didnt increase the hardware requirement and made the increase of requirements for higher resolutions like 4k etc maybe i nfuture 8k, i wouldn't care im gonna stay on 1080p forever, so am4 and this pcie 3.0 is what ill ever need

[@therini7948]

So, it's better to buy gen 3.0 with more TB than 4.0 or 5.0 if your pc is mostly for gaming?

[@MCBROWNCAT]

yes,im going for 2tb gen3 at same price of 1tb gen4

[@7eave1]

I had to go with 3.0 the price difference of 4.0 is crazy

[@Mauser1965]

If anyone was concerned with storage performance. I'd suggest seeing how those who hold the high ranks in the 3DMark storage on how they do it. I state again... How. 😉✌

[@ESKATEUK]

I installed an nvme drive on my pc, it is pcie3 and I was actually moderately disappointed that I didn’t get to view a Skyrim loading screen for even 1 second before it loaded in. All those years raging on ps3 load times and here I am now disappointed the load times were just too fast lol

[@fortunefiderikumo]

Still using a 2tb Sata ssd as my main game drive,my games still load blazing fast,sometimes its even your CPU and Ram speed that adds a few seconds to your loading time

[@AntiGrieferGames]

There is not way to buy a PCIe 5.0 ssd just for few seconds less loading speed... The same on PCIe 4.0