Hello. I am a substance abuse counselor that works with many clients who waiver between contemplation and pre-contemplation, or ambivalence vs indifference. As a counselor, it is frustrating for me when it seems like progress is being made (change talk and movement into preparatory behavior), then they slide back into precontemplation (I don't really think I have a problem). Maybe after I watch your MI with a precontemplation client video, I'll get some tips. Always willing to learn more.