Star Citizen | Griefers vs PVE vs PVP Bros.

[@MarcWeavers]

Murderhobo, this is what Arena Commander exists for, mindless combat for the sake of it, they should do that shit there!

[@OldManGamin_OMG]

They won't, because then they would have to engage with other players who have agreed to mutual combat. The kind of guy that sits at a space station killing people that leave has no interest in competition. These kind of players only attack people who are at a significant disadvantage to them because if they had to rely on skill they would lose every time.

[@McLarry88]

@@OldManGamin_OMG In the last year, how many people have you encountered at a station destroying ships? because I haven't met anyone. You are trying to create a problem that does not exist. And taking refuge in that falsehood you try to eliminate the RRP, just for the simple fact that you are incapable. Does it bother you that people have fun with the RRP and you can't and that's why you want to ban it? is that it?

[@gemreviews2840]

thats the thing, griefers dont want "combat" they want to shoot you in the back of the head or top you. Fun for them, not so much for others. Ands its not as if they are stealing your cargo like pirating, its just acting like a true sociopath.

[@gemreviews2840]

exactly

[@MarcWeavers]

@@McLarry88 just because you havent come across this problem doesnt that others did not! one player i have on my KOS (k!ll on sight) list is Alfipilot, his usual murderhobo spot is seraphim station on EU servers, though he may have been spreading around more due to so many people having him on this KOS list.

[@4tonmike]

Great take. A lot of griefers tend to try and call themselves PvPers in comments, lying to "their own" side about the other. From what I'm reading, a vocal portion of PvE players don't mind PvP, but just don't to be used as griefer food.

[@McLarry88]

It's really simple, if you don't like PvP, if you can't stand the tension, don't go to Pyro and stop crying. Pyro doesn't have to be another Stanton for you to go poppy picking.

[@4tonmike]

@McLarry88 Yes. My guess is the PvP players will push the griefers out back to Stanton where there still aren't any tangible enforcement mechanics in place. Sucks to be them but they do have a point. It doesn't seem to have anything to do with PvP players. The ball is in CIG's court if they want the PvE market or abandon their patronage.

[@warren3174]

@@4tonmike PVE players by CIGs own stats are over 90% of their backers. They are also the money. Pyro will look like Stanton before it gets claimed by a loud douche minority

[@McLarry88]

@@4tonmike There is already a system of criminality and consequences in Stanton, and they take you to jail. In fact, I never find anyone in Stanton who attacks you randomly. These taps that you tell are nothing more than stories. What you can't do is turn the game into an amusement park for nedrs, because you feel unsafe.

[@andrewfanner2245]

@McLarry88 the consequences of criminality are beyond risible. If they acted as a deterrent then just maybe, but clearly they do not. With a well known and unguarded escape route, hack your CS away in an out of the way space station, the simplicity of shutting down Comm arrays and the outposts will still do R3. CIG have made this problem with haphazard development. Without the reputation system trailed for Pyro it's going to continue to attract criticism. The gang law might be quite unpleasant to experience. It is likely to be swift and untempered by either justice, rules of evidence or mercy and quite plausibly "first offence, nothing beforehand so simple commit to the organ banks" don't see a gang boss just fining you, save maybe in viable kidneys.

[@andrewfanner2245]

Hate to say it but avoiding the US and Asia servers cuts this down quite a bit. But its on CIG's lack of relaible comms and rep systems.

[@maximillianiv9452]

Grifers are not real pirates but scumbag pirates.

[@mastertrader8144]

First week in Pyro will be like the purge... there is a post on spectrum getting crew for his polaris to help people do phase 3 and yes griefers shot him in the head. As a captain you need dedicated bodyguard now 😂

[@qutatron]

I agree. Ultimately, it's just a game and I think it's worth taking the risk, especially since the real "griefers" are still marginalized for now. Nevertheless, speaking out about such problems and trying to eliminate them is also important because it may not allow the problems to grow. What amuses me the most is when someone responds to such criticism: stay in Stanton, Pyro is a PVP zone. As if there was never PVP in Stanton, as if players flying out of the hangar were never shot there. Besides, there is always a chance that players will listen and stay in Stanton. In Pyro, there will be no more hauler or salvage ships to loot, there will be no PVE players who accumulate equipment from FPS missions, only players who are only interested in dogfighting and possibly contested zones will remain, and real pirates will be forced to return to Stanton. Such stupid talk really hurts the PWP community.

[@warren3174]

Once CIG data shows no one doing missions in Pyro they will add armistice zones.....remember they were temporary in Stanton because of a holes. They tried no armistice in pyro habs.....didnt make it out of evo before nerfed. POIs with missions will get armistice because psychos have no chill

[@qutatron]

@@warren3174 The bunkers in Stanton are not armistice zones, and this system works. All that is needed is that the turrets in the settlements will attack anyone who starts shooting at a player or an NPC assigned to a given faction in the area controlled by a given gang.

[@warren3174]

@@qutatron Agree. I'm having fun with them all. I bring an A2 loaded with my Nursa and Ballista....I land way out from their patrols and roll in. Target , drop and defend when they come back. I love it for now. But thats not getting any Pyro missions done and I think thats when they will nerf the sandbox over time. When Chris goes to fly over somewhere in Bloom and gets smoked by a hornet, it will change HAHAHA

[@qutatron]

@@warren3174 I hope he is playing, but he probably don't.

[@McLarry88]

@@warren3174 Do you have fun with npc fools what is the closest thing to an amoeba? Can't deal with PvP as a matter of skill? that's why you get angry and want to censor PvP?

[@frankindabank]

Griefers and PvP is not a big problem for many PvE gamers right now. But the sometimes broken game is. For every time a griefer kills me the game kills me 100 times or don't even let me play. They should focus their work on making elevators work reliably all the time so I am at least guaranteed to reach my ship to take off. I think this is not asked too much in year 10+ of development. And if they cannot work out elevators they should implement teleporters then... This is the absolute minimum which should work at all times by now... The game is useless if ppl are not even able to reach their ship... No fancy additions of gameloops and systems will change that.

[@storm14k]

People across gaming complain about this but I mean there are people in real life that say screw it and just start shooting at any and everybody. I think any MMO with open PvP just needs to have good rewards for policing and mechanics need to center less around complete death/destruction and more around damage/retreat/repair.

[@iroquoisplissken3583]

I think people are starting to realize how screwed they are with Mastermodes bc they have been avoiding PvP up until now

[@Tael71]

On Go Live Pyro will be flooded with all types of players. The PVE crowed will quickly get tired of being Ganked and pull back to Stanton. The Weaker PVPers will come back to Stanton looking for easier targets. And finally the better PVP crowd will grow bored with no one to go after in Pyro and follow the other groups back to Stanton looking for action as well. In a few weeks Pyro will be mostly a ghost town...

[@Pr0phet-n6z]

Quoted from a Chris Roberts interview : .....There are obviously some close similiraties on a conceptual level between Star Citizen and Eve Online. How much has CCP’s progress with EVE impacted your current development of Star Citizen? The main thing is that they proved it could work. Eve Online is a bit larger scale, but has most of the same stuff as when I was pitching Freelancer. Dynamic universe, player driven interaction, etc. CCP has done a really good job of proving that the concept works. What I want to do now is basically make Star Citizen the Call of Duty to Eve Online’s Company of Heroes, in that Star Citizen will give more of a first person, in the moment experience while Eve Online provides a strategic point of view. The thing that would be really cool, for me, is to have player’s making their own groups like in Eve. My ideal scenario would be something like one player setting himself up as some kind of Criminal Overlord out in the fringes of space, with an asteroid base and hired [player] muscle, harrying other people. Then those other people band together to go take out the Criminal Overlord and his group in order to maintain their own safety or profits.

[@Le_Sigh]

Couldn’t agree more. I think it’ll be alleviated somewhat when they finally populate the verse with NPC’s for people to pirate/abuse. But as I’m seeing it right now it’s just a bunch of ghouls trying to drive people away from the game. Star Citizen isn’t unique in that respect, it’s just more pronounced given the state of the game.

[@gemreviews2840]

well, its as the name implies, griefers. Its not fun to be among them.

[@BC-vv3ot]

I saw a video of these two guys in connies killing an aurora. I’ve even seen a guy argue that the aurora had the advantage against two connies with the current meta.

[@cheesesniper473]

None of this bothers me, because SC is a 0/10 game.

[@daveincv]

it looks good .03/10...everything else junk.

[@Sidewayyss_gaming]

O yes GEM 💎 i thought you said the cutty red is the perfect ship for pyro this wouldn't have happened if you where in a Terrepin💪🏻 😂😂 👌🏻

[@gemreviews2840]

lol, you´d have a point if thre terrapin had more guns and some cargo. Griefers are not that common, at least not yet.

[@THEMALBINO]

Most games have solo options. Star citizen will most probably also have That option.

[@manegrmusa4551]

Game is poorly balanced.....Fighters are strong and they are getting even more stronger. They can attack you with zero risk if u have starter, medium or larger ship...and multi crew is story for good night children. My solution is as they have big guns as a larger ships, give them lot of quantum fuel so they can go and do whatever they want...in that situation we will all have fighters and let better pilot win ;)

Seriously, get a microphone that doesn't sound like you are inside a can :D Overall, I agree with the sociopathic traits of some of those defending their psycho actions.

[@Onikame]

Nice to hear someone saying what I've been saying to my friends. aholes always saying "i'm role playing". Nah, you're just being a dick. Pirates want money, and are willing to kill. Marauders just want killing. PvP in this game needs to be 'mostly' optional. Yeah, it doesn't make sense that even a criminal bunker is just going to stand by while a giant load of drugs comes in, and then gets blown up by a rando for fun. It's good that some missions have that PvP potential, and you can know it when you accept the mission. There's an official shipwreck recovery mission, and the UNofficial one. That's cool. The possibility that you'll be fighting over the wreckage. Obviously the game is in an alpha state and some systems are designed to use other systems that aren't in yet, or are super early and barely functional. But murder hobo-ing is just dickhead trying to ruin everyones fun. It's not role play, and it's not cool. One of the major factors that make it suck so bad, is yes it's just a game, but it takes so long to do anything. My kids have the game, and after 30-40 minutes of getting everyone through the city, on the train, to the space port, spawning ships, reminding them of the controls, the joy they feel when they're taking off from their hanger, just to be insta exploded by some asshole before we can actually get to anywhere. I'm waiting for real piracy one day. Where they ask for money/cargo or else. You refuse and fight it out. Get disabled, boarded, fps fight to the last breath. I"m not at all into the pvp aspect, but that sounds fun. Just getting nuked for the lolz is not fun. (All that being said, I can hold my own in some pvp. Like many backers, I'm just old and not out looking for that kind of gameplay)

[@barcidstudios]

I disagree. Saying you cannot have griefers is the same thing as saying you cannot spend money that you steal. The value of a experience and in supply and demand is based on the the risk to reward. Where do you draw the line? Have PVP zones? Have safe spaces? We already do, people just want the entire game to be pve. However in defence of care bears I will say that many pirates say they are "pirating" when in fact all they are doing is trying to get kills for the thrill. I actually brought this point up in a Mongrel squad stream live chat once and the dude almost started crying because he can't stand the fact of losing the pirate title in place for murder hobo😂

[@a.j.6832]

THIS. pirates are pvpers, not griefers in the same way that an escort fighter for a miner would be. griefers contribute nothing to gameplay and kill and take away from others' gameplay for no reason

[@barcidstudios]

@a.j.6832 yes but the way to remove griefers is by increasing penalty to taking criminal action, not by making everything a safe space. The thrill of the game is in its danger, even the murder hobo species is part of a ecosystem of dopamine fixated bottom feeders.

[@LostSoul-TeemoMain]

If you get them on camera doing that CIG apparently bans them, I don't personally believe it but that's the coper fav take so maybe it has truth to it?

[@bengray8686]

Wow.. How is it shocking that people dont want to trade thier fun to become fodder for others fun....

[@vladkudrya9615]

And if one clan wants to simply not let anyone out of the station in order to monopolize all the gameplay and resources, how will you distinguish this from griefers? Or, for example, I will receive an order from one clan to destroy the ships of another clan and they will simply pay me for any destroyed, no matter where (this is called a corsair profession)! Will I be a griefer? You guys are weird...

[@criticalthinkingtryit]

IF you hate griefing blame CGI, EMPTY SHELL OF A GAME, PEOPLE NEED TO MAKE CONTENT SOME HOW. YOU GET WHAT YOU GET WHEN YOU PLAY THAT DUMPSTER FIRE. sORRY TO BURST YOUR BUBBLE THERE IS NO 100K PLAYERS PLAYING THAT GAME AT ONE TIME;]. i use term game very loosely in this case. There will be no different servers, whole point of SC is real like action, griefing is one of those actions. But hey if there was actually something to do in that scam maybe greifing wouldnt be a s much of a thing

[@JWalker-FireFrost]

It's become a pvp only game cause they are listening to a few eve players . Don't buy the game if you don't like pvping 24/7

[@trrbocknyader]

Just except the fact that pyro is kill or be killed no exceptions, Set ur course before even opening hangar doors and just go like hell when they are open, Don't spend anymore time outside a pyro station then ya absolutely need to. Either get good at running or start training, Yes camping stations is very uncouth and the turret defenses are getting better but still may as well not exist. I started the game just wanting to mine and i too wanted nothing to do with pvp, After mining i traded and salvaged did erts and all the usual things till i was bored to death so i tried pvp and did ok but that was all i needed to want to get better and now i enjoy a good dogfight and routinely jump into ac to be humbled.

[@gheazu6954]

it dos not bother me i play rust, what it bother me is that the game is pay to win. After this wipe i will start with a cutter (van) some players will have polaris, how can i defend my self ? ( and if i will have allot of ships i will go for PVP there is nothing els to do in this game, how many boxes one can move?) i need to farm months to get a decent fighter ,i have 1 to 2h/day to play video games and some days nothing) So in this scenario CIG made me cannon meat for there Whales and any other player who spend more then 75$ on this game

[@McLarry88]

You can rent a prospector, mine and get an arrow, which is what I do, and from there you go up.

[@gemreviews2840]

well, I´ll have a polaris and I doubt many polaris owners are chasing cutters around. just avoid them?

[@heru_ur6017]

Whales dont chase down cutters, or prospectors. Most of us are whales because the pve ships cost the most. Yes we have expensive fighters, and large corvettes but we dont hunt defenceless players.

[@Dulc3B00kbyBrant0n]

CIG are just using marxist type hegelian contrived conflict within their player base to fragment it so its more easily controlled and gaslit mostly to distract from their lack of progress and shady business strategy of ship selling in lieu of making a bug free game. on the spectrum site they have established PVP BRO vs SPACE DAD(so lame myan) dynamic pretty explicitly and the other name they give it is PVPs vs PVER. all of this is a cringe ass red herring from the fact there is no game they cannot manage an mmo this is all smoke and mirrors. they want people arguing about stuff that will never happen in the meantime kicking everyone off servers except for the hardcore multibox RMT insanos who will get banned over and over and are so insane they will rebuy into the game for 20k everytime they get banned. they dont even care about people who payed 45k in their lifetime those people wont rebuy when they get banned cuz they probly wont get banned. escape from tarkov basically tried to copy the star citizen scam model but they are more competent(ironically) but now it seems star citizen is learning from them too. this game is literally some type of mind control experiment to see how far you can push authoritarian censorship and gaslighting

[@AcidReign97]

Your mic sucks

[@flogozgeik1898]

Its not a mic, its an empty pepsi can with a wire attached to it...

[@user-hq9fp8sm8f]

D1 hater

[@meetrasurrik6982]

Care bears crying over pvp will never not be funny

[@McLarry88]

The issue of the grifers is something that is almost non-existent. The problem is the people who hide behind this to try to boycott lawless systems. Piro would have to be something like a raid in Escape from tarkov. There are people who just imagining that makes them cry, they can't stand it, they can't deal with the tension. So what they are trying to do is to have PvP banned from the game. If you can't deal with the tension, don't go to hell and stop crying now.

[@rampant54]

Scared a PVE server and a PvP server will rob you of easy kills? This is a standard argument against those who don't want to be griefed. Don't go there, don't come near here, we are here. So if they play on a PVE server, guess what?? The won't go to where you are, they won't go to where you play, so it makes NO difference to you, because you WONT see them? The only difference is that you can't farm them. If you are a genuine PvP player and not a griefer, then it should make no difference to you at all.

[@McLarry88]

@@rampant54 Cig has already said that it will not put PVE servers. For me, I put you all in a server where you could pick poppies forever, you are like NPCs but tearful, you don't stop crying all day long for anything. Fragile and weak people.

[@gemreviews2840]

well.. no, its not non existent because its clearly an issue for a few people. Why do you have a problem with people that dont care or want to engage in PVP not doing so? that precisely the griefer mentality... oh.

[@McLarry88]

@@gemreviews2840 It's just an exaggeration to ban PvP, this isn't new. I know that those extreme situations that they paint do not exist because I play myself, and I am not being harassed every time I go out with my ship, it is something obvious. If they don't want to deal with PvP it's very easy, don't go to PvP areas, this already happens in many MMOs. What you can't do is eliminate a planned mechanic, because some people are terrified of dealing with tension.

[@wackomedic911]

murderhobo is a gameplay loop. get over it. pyro is lawless, dont like it? stick to stanton...easy peasy.

[@newbmechanics5699]

waaa, waaa.. bunch of crybabies. go play no mans sky then!

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[@rampant54]

Well said. There is a difference between Pirating and PvP combat against other players. Griefers are just scum, always screwing over weaker target for their fun. PvP servers and non-PvP servers, I would be happy with, or some kind of toggle system only changeable at major locations could also work (ala New World). It's going to be interesting reading the Spectrum posts when Pyro does go live. If CiG don't fix this issue, it will cost them a lot of money.

[@vladkudrya9615]

And if one clan wants to simply not let anyone out of the station in order to monopolize all the gameplay and resources, how will you distinguish this from griefers? Or, for example, I will receive an order from one clan to destroy the ships of another clan and they will simply pay me for any destroyed, no matter where (this is called a corsair profession)! Will I be a griefer? You guys are weird... how will you distinguish this from griefers?

[@rampant54]

@@vladkudrya9615 You choose to ignore the obvious griefing behaviour that is prevalent in this game. Generally if there is a conflict going on, word tends to spread in global. If I know there is a blockade of a certain location I can decide if I want to risk it or not. The example quoted in this video pretty much shows griefing, you chose NOT to acknowledge this. Also 2 almost identical posts? Hmmm

[@warren3174]

@@vladkudrya9615 They won't bother. It will be seen as griefing. Griefing is anything that costs CIG money lol That's what will guide this issue same as it did in Stanton with temporary armistice zones so people could do missions. HAHAHA next the "PVP" group cries as they lose their murder sandbox