Star Citizen: Sabre VS Super hornet - Medium Fighters, Stealth VS Brawn

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[@samisuhonen9815]

The sabre has some advantage in being able to load 2 size 4 missiles while being a very stealthy ship. This means it can hit hard and far before it is detected, and then pounce on the crippled and confused enemy before they recover.

[@seebablack8267]

2 size 4s won’t do shut in pvp xd

[@samisuhonen9815]

I really like the hornet. I have equipped mine with 3xS3 gatlings to shred small ships and ground vehicles. On the roof I have a S4 turret with the ballistic C-788 cannon that shoots armor piercing HE rounds that have a significant explosive payload with splash damage. This weapon oneshots light fighters if they happen to get hit, but it also punches holes in large ships that can't dodge it. I also like this cannon loadout because it's awesome for close air support. It demolishes ground vehicles and troops, especially since you don't have to even land a direct hit on small infantry targets. The damage per shot is also good, meaning that you don't have to hover around the combat zone, but can instead strafe it really fast and get 2-3 shots in. The slow fire rate also means that you can focus on being evasive and only line up a shot for a split second.

[@eelco8800]

Dude, everybody that plays SC should be subscribed to your channel. Great voice btw.

[@Roaring2Thunder]

Yup just did

[@clemfandango3925]

Sheesh, if you like him so much why don’t you just marry him?

[@nathangreig5884]

SUBBED!

[@PurpleChiken]

I subbed because of you

[@devilshooch]

Absolutely adore your VS’s episodes. As an owner of both ships, you really brought a new light and perspective to these beautiful two medium fighters. Great job Law! 👍

[@robertschumacher2707]

Another trick the Super Hornet has that you touched on is what I call the 'Super Tracker.' Take as much of the Tracker's sensor and C&C gear as possible and graft it onto the Super Hornet. This allows the backseater to concentrate on coordinating the Hornet's allies and letting the pilot worry about flying and fighting instead of risking task saturation by forcing them to do too much at once. (IMO, the Tracker should have been a 2-seater from the beginning.)

[@patrickdean7993]

Watched this again, decided to switch my Super Hornet to the Saber during the Expo this year. Always appreciate your vids. I enjoyed the one where you talked about synergy between ships in the Carrack alternate run about vid. I was reminded of that one recently as I noticed most reviews on the Nomad miss/minimize the synergy between the Nomad and ROC as the smallest ship available for ROC transport....

[@420247paul]

i did the same

[@RivalGrimReaper]

after some time to test, are you happy with the change? i have a super, and it is good, but it is sluggish on the turns, plus, that sabre looks V nice.

[@slyderace]

I've also watched this video 3 times and I still plan to upgrade my F7C to the F7C-M super hornet. My play style is having lots of guns and slugging it out so the hit and run style of the sabre isn't for me :)

[@thomasbouvier3203]

@@slyderace well now saber get 1 shield less... well... it doesnt have that avantage anymore. And the new S4 you can mount on hornet make it mean ^^ as much firepower as a vanguard.

[@viperswhip]

@@slyderace We will get the updated version for playing through Star Citizen for free, so, I am not going to own one unless I buy it in game.

[@krizsanzarathud7133]

One again, a perfect balance between crushing numbers, tactical analysis and lore. Everything is clear and explained in the the most soothing voice on YT. Thanks, Law!

[@IvoChipev]

Great review, thank you. I would add only 1 more con to the sabe - the hornet can lose weapons on the wings, and saber can't.

[@ayne222]

That is very annoying thing having a Hornet, I have to fly back to stations just to repair these wings to be able to continue my active missions

[@wallacefrey6247]

I tip my hat to you sir. The way you compare ships is the most detailed and thorough that I have seen over anyone else. The extra detail,especially about the little things,really helps when trying to find my next new ship.

[@renegade_patriot]

I had 500+ hours in DCS world before I went over to SC. I can tell you, in the hands of a skilled pilot, the Sabre is unbeatable, especially planetside. Using real world techniques such as terrain masking, pincer high and low formations, flying attack runs out of the sun (you basically line up to approach from the sun, yes real world tactic and yes it works in SC because you can't see your UI when the sun is in your face.) With a little bit of training and technique the Sabre rewards pilot skill more than any other fighter. Add stealth to the mix and it's over.

[@eramires]

I love when i have a video from you to watch while i drink my coffee, so chilling. :D

[@Cuchulaynn]

Man, it's always a pleasure to watch your videos !!! I do love these comparisons !

[@drewflatt]

I've had my eye on the Sabre for some time, this really helps me out on forming my opinion, thanks for a great video!

[@aesericho3651]

If you want to try it out, let let me know here and I'll log on. I have bith Sabre and super hornet.

[@vinceaikido]

@@aesericho3651 what is the one you prefer ?

[@aesericho3651]

@@vinceaikido super hornet is my favorite, but it's difficult to use at the moment with shield holes, missing thrusters, and more

[@brennanwilliams2266]

The hornet is an awesome design and it's a very human design I think any of the races would love it exported.

[@SoundlessAir]

Would love a Sabre VS Hornet Ghost!

[@slackerpope]

Fantastic video! Please keep making VS videos they really help people think about how to spend their hard earned real world money. You sir are a true Star Citizen hero. Thank you!

[@MindBurntDE]

Really a very well explained video. I have absolutely nothing to criticize. I also really like the fact that you explain the position of the ships they will take in the future and not which meta it is currently based on. By the way, I also like the calm voice with which you explain everything. Keep up the good work. 👍 Greetings from Germany

[@galenjones9529]

The issue with a weak hull is that when physicalized components become a thing you'll have to rely on the hope that they aren't using ballistics or hard-hitting shield piercers. If your saber's shields, power plant or coolers get smashed you're effectively dead if the other pilot has enough skill.

[@BenHannaNZ]

Such a good video. I melted my Super Hornet ages ago as I hardly ever find myself in combat. But this video got me like "I need to buy it back!" I would love to see a "Forgotten Ships" video. Where you look at ships like the Retaliator, the Herald, maybe some Mustangs, or any other ships that are in game, but hardly used, why aren't they used much, are they under rated, should they be used more for specific roles?

[@PCPAyLOAD]

You can add the Gladiator to that list. They talked rework about 3 years ago and nothing since.

[@aesericho3651]

@@PCPAyLOAD the gladiator was one of my all time favorite ships, until they took the control of the turret from the pilot. I'm just sad now

[@hendo7798]

You are the man when it comes verses....you keep it interesting and totally entertaining with all the information spot on I leave this video knowing exactly which one I want ..another fine video young fellow I enjoyed it 🙏👍

[@simonm7590]

Great video and great cadence to your delivery and logical approach to your opinion on these two ships. Top work into backdrops and editing too. Subscribed.

[@jamothegr8]

I have both and i just like the SH better. Great review! very well done! I can't wait for armor to be fully implemented to really see how these two match up.

[@L0stEngineer]

Thank you for all your wonderful content. Please keep it up, between the drawl and the laconic style, you're the best star citizen content creators this side of Lorville.

[@gregmoulton260]

I wish the wildfire was named the Spitfire. With the vanguard being inspired off of the P-38, throwing in the name Spitfire on a hornet variant would have been cool.

[@Rehevkor]

Outstanding video. It really shows that you thought this out and wrote it down instead of "winging" it (no apology for the pun). Thanks!

[@worpd_gamer270]

Excellent comparison! I just got an upgrade package from the Comet to the Defender... but I might actually just get another Comet. I like the stealth aspect and style - but the Defender's range, copilot, and BED is a serious plus as well.

[@jessejamesroy0069]

i enjoy your videos you have come a long way since you first started doing this very streamlined now compared to then and just every bit of valuable info is now covered these videos would really help when buying a ship you cover every angle well donne.

[@verpine3534]

Great comparison video, LotW! Much appreciated. The only point I'd argue with is your comparison of the Super Hornet to the Y-wing. I think that spot is reserved for the Gladiator, since the Y-wing was considered the Rebellion's fighter/bomber. ;) I've always preferred the Super Hornet over the Sabre, but agree they are both really awesome ships.

[@davide2088]

Great job hitting a lot of the pros and cons of these two ships, both have their merits. And it's always a back and forth debate on which is ultimately better.

[@blackmanx5845]

Great video and food for thought, thanks. Can't wait to see this revisited once armor is a REAL thing in game. In the meantime, you've inspired me to take both ships out into Arena Commander.

[@Albert-III]

Black Manx arena commander is dominated by the saber at the moment

[@no1spy]

This is why I just have both, at least until I can trade the super in for a F7A. But in game I prefer rocking the Sabre with the full gimble load-out. The Sabre's shields are no joke and she packs a hard punch.

[@Idolismo]

As usual, impeccable delivery.

[@fireflymal]

@LAWoftheWEST - The Banu Defender is considered a light fighter, but I would argue that it is in the same class as the Sabre and Super Hornet. It has the same hard points as a Sabre, it has a medium shield, and component redundancy. How would you rate it against a Super Hornet or Sabre?

[@amendus]

Completely agree and have the same question.

[@neojack333]

from what i understand about the banu defender it's more a competitor to the freelancer MIS. Long range for travel, beds, and powerfull long range weapons. also not great for pure dogfighting.

[@fireflymal]

From a DPS perspective, it has the same hard points as a Sabre. The MIS with its gimbaled S3’s easily out dpses it. I would say it is more on par with the Sabre and Super Hornet.

[@Rebotified]

Sounds like a buff we need

[@TheBawbomb]

this video really helped me decide on my sabre

[@bobbya8622]

Great review and comparison, as usual!

[@citizenkane4382]

Best comparasion ever :) two metas :))

[@ale4462]

This have so much variety of everything its amazing

[@marsupialbeef2745]

Cleanest Star Citizen ship content out there

[@notveryartificial4486]

The looks, oh my god, the looks of these ships are amazing!

[@andriod2010]

I personally love the Sabre. With the 3.14 changed and capacitors + miss operator mode. Im wondering if it will still hold against the super hornet

[@crabjockey]

Really great video. Gonna check out the rest.

[@ph11p3540]

Just wait when stealth and armor mechanics are fully fleshed out in this game. Great video as usual.

[@wp2746]

Phillip Mulligan just wait till this game is... nvm to easy :p

[@RetinaBurner]

Hey Law, damn good comparison, as always. I think, despite the Hornet's flexibility, I lean toward stealth every time. So, I'll take Ninja every time, or assassin as needed. :) I do look forward to physicalized components/damage, however, so that a more complete comparison can be made between the two ships, as they'll be closer to their intended max capabilities. Thanks for another great one :) Oh, and as an aside. I have to think about another possibility: Having the two ships work together to take out a target. The Hornet can go in and tank damage, while dishing it out, while the Sabre maximizes its ability to be less predictable and come in from multiple directions, adding to the damage, then disappearing, only to appear from somewhere else, and help destroy the target. It can also act as a feint to attract fire, in order to allow the Hornet to recover. Just one thought/possibility of many. :)

[@dimitristsarou7400]

I've never played star citizen, but here I am at 6 am watching a comparison between two ships xD

[@slyderace]

Loved this video! I've decided to go with the Saber :) I'll eventually buy a super hornet too for when I can have a copilot but for solo flights, I like the idea of sneaking up on my targets and being able to slip away :)

[@slyderace]

After playing with the Hornet for a few weeks, I don't think the sabre is for me. I love having 6 gimballed guns so I think I'll upgrade to the super hornet so that I can have the option mentioned to ferry a pilot across the system for a few extra aUEC :)

[@DiSHTiX]

awesome video, really enjoyed it. I luv both these ships

[@starcitizen1811]

Great rundown though comparing based on stealth the Sabre should of been pitched up against the Ghost with the same load out less the extra PP and SH.

[@Zatellia]

Great video as always, very accurate comparisons. I own both and once armor and stealth are actually implemented then both of these ships will be amazing. The other draw back currently are the nose cone shield holes, both ships have bad shield holes. However it doesnt make them unplayable... just have to be more attentive while in combat.

[@Cogzed]

Excellent video! I have the Sabre and love it! The SH are great ships too. They’re tough to go up against!

[@OopsOojUFink]

Just found you bud and I’m staying lol beautiful comparison thank you 🙏

[@jakgorman3183]

Fantastic video filled with great information.... Still don't know which one to purchase! :)

[@RainMan52]

Sabre... you've convinced me

[@Cogzed]

Why don’t you have 100K subscriber’s yet?!?! You should!

[@AndrewFurmanczyk86]

Beautifully done!

[@MrSvasiljevic]

Wow, very nice layout of the vid, entertaining and informative.

[@lawofthewestgaming]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@TheTlssst]

Great video as usual Law. Any chance you can do a compare on troop drop ships?

[@ericwollaston5654]

Great video and fantastic points. I would have went Knight or Samurai instead of Barbarian.

[@staticminds2715]

your voice is relaxing in a crazy freaking world .

[@jasonziter]

One of the best reviews on two ships I have seen. Subscribed.

[@droolmctool7942]

Fantastic info mate cheers !

[@Flying_Scorpion]

I don't own the game, but I'm interested in it. I've been checking in once in awhile over the past several years to see how it's development is going. I have always been very skeptical about pre-ordering and I've also been skeptical as to how well developers manage large amounts of money being given to them right at the start. Nevertheless, I am very interested in this game and I hope it reaches a satisfactory "launch" point. It's nice to see a more detailed video...let's those of us from the outside get a better idea of what's going on in the game.

[@TheRealEvades]

Cant wait til everything gets finalized and the Glaive takes its rightful place as the best 1v1 murdership. Someday, someday

[@ZebraActual]

Great comparison!

[@Micelli1987]

The meta will die. Especially when armor is implemented. They will more closely match their text descriptions. None of the current meta will be relevant. Also fixed weapons will be made to shine again in their own regard according to CIG.

[@FelixTsang]

Does that means the Sabre will be stronger?

[@emossg]

@@FelixTsang Sabre is a bit odd duck. It is classified as stealth fighter by CIG. So far ever since it introduction it has been one of the best fighters in each patch. It is up to really what CIG does with the shield, weapon and armor balance. How much armor will Sabre have compared to Hornet? What is the final logic when it comes to stealth? If you think about it, more shields = more EM signature = less stealth, why does stealth ship then have 3 shields? Maybe the idea is that you can put 3 low EM shields but with 1 extra shield you get more protection compared to 2 shields other medium fighters have. For maxium stealth however, stealth ship should have high armor and few shields to minimize EM signature. It is also possible to turn off shields completely. Maybe Sabre with 3 shields can have 1 shield that starts up really quickly and charges to maxium health quickly in case it needs to switch from stealth to combat. Hard to tell as we do not yet fully know how power, heat, and overall balance will work in the future.

[@FelixTsang]

@@emossg I agree on the turn off shield. But I think they can nerf it by restricting all module option to stealth only module. The 3 shield generator is supposed to be terrible shield but extremely low signature. Getting rid of it's option to use extremely good military shield should do good enough nerf.

[@emossg]

@@FelixTsang If the old engineering document is still relevant every ship should be able to use 3 different type of modules. Everyship can use civilian modules, then they can have 2 from the following list stealth, military, industrial, competition. It would make most sense to have Sabre use military and stealth components, but military will probably be one of the best components so it is not really limitting sabre enough.

[@Micelli1987]

Felix Tsang I think after armor is released the hornet will see a significant boost in defense and performance putting it above a Sabre in direct combat. But stealth the Sabre has the cake. Niche will be more prominent so each will have their own strengths for different situations

[@blacksheepboyz]

Perfect balance yet again with your storytelling approach. Ever thought about the Raven? The Verse's dirty little secret? Thanks yet again.

[@lawofthewestgaming]

I've already got a VS episode already in mind that features the Raven. Unfortunately it might be a while before I get to it.

[@RakasansLegacy]

Decisions....i have both ;). BTW.. the intro music is just smooth and relaxing..

[@OvargasSecurity]

RakasansLegacy which one you gonna fly into combat?

[@RakasansLegacy]

@@OvargasSecurity Good question. Very situational or whatever I'm flying atm. I would be comfortable in both but I think I would lean more towards the Sabre due to the agility and maneuverability. But in truth i'll probably just fly the F8 Lightning

[@TrainLechoo]

are you a wing commander?

[@RakasansLegacy]

@@TrainLechoo That I am. Law can vouch for me on that or you can look up my profile on the website. The handle is Rakasan

[@TrainLechoo]

@@RakasansLegacy I don't doubt you. just wanted to say "holy shit" and "congrats". lol

[@Amrraa]

Great video !!!

[@louhodo5761]

I love the Hornet over the Sabre. its versatility is far more important and useful for my style.

[@chrish4483]

I adore my SH and I cannot wait for the F7A upgrade CIG sold years back to upgrade mine to the new model style

[@the_newvoice]

Hi! Please share how you avoid banding gradients in your videos? Did you adding ~4% of film grain or it's dealing in software by itself? Thanks!

[@marcinmizera1063]

Thx for this info 😎

[@Wolf_Rayet]

i am more a brawler ,so the hornet suits me beter ,yea laak of armor is a big issue now ,but i like to fly the hornet ,and i completly agree whit the viper and the xwing feal of the ship,but the sabre is good ship also for a hit and run operations,love the video

[@danmoore4503]

It has been years and they still haven't messed with the armor system, would think that would be a vital mechanic for SQ42.

[@frankybrown6957]

Hey mate I have a question... You said the Sabre can go from top speed to full stop without overheating, yet with my upgraded Sabre this seems impossible. I equppied only arguably better components which made me somewhat dissappointed in not being able to accelerate or stop without overheating. So are you talking about the stock loadout during the comparison? Also, Which loadout would you recommend for both ships (I actually only care for the Sabre tbh)? Regarding the Armorsystem not being implemented neither is Stealth so kinda unfair... Both have a system that isnt ingame yet...

[@lukephilpot5660]

Subbed, great video

[@Shattering_Comet]

Love my Sabre. It's the only ship that got me to melt my Gladius, cause I'm a sucker for stealth gameplay, and it looks like every 16-bit space fighter ever thrown into a blender.

[@salvehn]

With current FM Sabre is more like a Sumo guy

[@dan271291]

I'm torn. I was planning on upgrading F7C to the super hornet but the saber has a lot to offer as well. Cheers for the video, gives me a lot to think about.

[@tackleberry8604]

Super Hornet buddy you won't regret buy it while you can, next week you won't be able to buy it.

[@Splinter4077]

What did you end up doing?

[@dan271291]

@@Splinter4077 It was a while back and my memory isn't great - but I think I ended up getting the Harbinger instead for a while. Eventually cashed it in and bought the BMM. Now I have a cat and a banu defender, I'm happy haha.

[@Splinter4077]

@@dan271291 Ya I hear that, I didn't go my planned route either. Originally went starfarer with a refuel org like 5 years ago but now it's a starlifter for cargo. Ships make us happy then, lol.

[@BricksterVideos]

I saw you on a couple of servers while you were making this!

[@chandrachurniyogi8394]

the AEGIS Sabre actually makes a good case for a realistic interstellar spacecraft . . . albeit with a host of serious modifications needed using man's current technological breakthroughs in quantum physics . . . for e.g. the power pack which will have to be replaced by indigenous ion & e-HYBRID propulsion that promises to cut down travel time to Mars by half . . .

[@FrVle]

Amazing video! How did you take the inner cockpit camera angles? Those were cool

[@lawofthewestgaming]

If you press F4 in conjunction with the arrow keys, page up, page down, home and end, you can adjust the camera to gets some impressive views.

[@FrVle]

@@lawofthewestgaming ah cool! thanks man :D

[@FrVle]

@@lawofthewestgaming I am starting to have fun with SC, any recommendations to find people to play with?

[@lawofthewestgaming]

@@FrVle I can recommend a good org that has a lot of great people to play with robertsspaceindustries.com/orgs/STRATCOM (this is my org) ; )

[@cooler575]

finally an updated sabre vid :)

[@artsolano6762]

For a long time it’s been Sabre > SH. Perhaps with turret and armor buffs this will change. But I think right now ... the Sabre is the space superiority fighter and it’s not close.

[@Jinx_Cole]

And... now I own both. Thanks for that XD

[@jakubduda6944]

Third!! And i have to say, you are making great videos, thank you

[@domenicobarbieri5576]

hei guys an advice, what ship to change my wonderful avenger titan with a strong charge of fire??? ciaooo

[@greatdanexlks]

You sound exactly like The Pilot that does ED vids. Great video tho 👍🏾

[@wolfmirebacta8710]

So bounty Hunting requires a certain ship? Or can I use any other ship I wish?

[@doseanator3]

love this video! do more!! thanks!

[@MalikaBakura]

I like both ships.....why I bought both but for different reasons as I like options on how I feel like tackling a "problem"

[@scottmiller4295]

interceptors are a class of fighter also. small nitpick but light fighters are not always interceptors. and we very much going to require interceptors and "tacklers" when it comes to interdiction. beyond that yea they the top two medium fighters, nice to have two viable choices. we see how armor sorts out, i almost think we been carrying the weight anyway on the ship and adding it not going to change it that much vs whatever numbers they faked, how they supposed to tweak its flight model if its weight is going to drastically change and invalidate its thrustors?

[@TheJediBiscuit]

Used to own the super hornet but after trying the sabre during an event i traded it in instantly. So much speed and those over clocked panthers just eat through anything D:

[@MerlinMoorlo]

Crazy game with crazy grafics and disign ships

[@oldawg3934]

So I got the Heartseeker , and the first bounty mission I took put me up against a Sabre. I couldn’t break its shields with the original loadout, so I went back and got a gatling gun for the turret. I still couldn’t break its shields even with the missles. Anyone have a suggestion for a weapons loadout that might work?

[@elischrock5356]

I hope they put the Super Hornet up for sale again soon. It's probably my next purchase... unless I find out an Arrow fits my Carrack.

[@IscariottActual]

Eli Schrock gotta get on that grey market

[@subbss]

I'm 90% sure I remember one of the devs maybe it was John Crewe at the ship panel at citcon saying that the Arrow does fit in the Carrack.

[@Richard_HD]

The arrow does not fit inside the carrack

[@jonwilli0203]

Sabre is amazing but Super Hornet is love.

[@Paladin1034]

Sabres are so damn tanky. They take forever to take down.

[@joker_g7337]

I hate the Saber. Too many PV

[@ph11p3540]

Sabers are so damn sneaky and fast they can take a target out before they have a chance to retaliate.

[@Paladin1034]

I haven't noticed that, but I've only fought them in AC. But my little Arrow wasn't doing enough damage to actually take down the shields on the Sabre. I was farming it for points, though lol

[@KuraIthys]

Lol. Never noticed. But then I don't do a lot of fighting. It's all relative though. As long as you don't have a way of bypassing shields, I've found basically nobody can hurt my 600i. Of course, comparing a large ship to a fighter is unfair... But hey, tank is tank... XD I swear I've been assaulted by about 7-8 AI ships at once and I can just sit there not moving and they rarely seem to get the shields below 90% Players are another matter because the ones that fight know tend to know the exploits better. (currently against a ship like a 600i that's an all ballistic loadout), but even then... You have to be determined, and have the right equipment to stand a chance... Not that I can hurt you back if you're flying a fighter (size 5 fixed can't hit the broad side of a barn) but still.

[@thejopp]

Currently, yes. It will be interesting to see how well it performs when: Armour is added, Physicalized damage is added, the ability for Kinetics to properly penetrate shields and armour is added.

[@007michwolf]

Where to get that size 4 gimbal mount for the super hornet to replace the ball turret?

[@geniustechdeviceele-etc4461]

Extremely excellent

[@wrextheblind3787]

Would love to have a updated version of this video

[@lawofthewestgaming]

I plan on doing it after both ships have had their gold standard pass.

[@wrextheblind3787]

@@lawofthewestgaming dope! Thanks.

[@markdavidvallino6995]

In my opinion Sabre is more estestic,like a shark in the ocean.Very good.