Star Citizen: Should you buy the RSI Zeus Mark II?

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[@archangel-93]

Were you aware you said "storage suit for lockers" in the video? Genuinely asking not making fun

[@Dracounguis]

As an MSR owner... I really appreciate that it has three different ways to enter/exit. If the ladder works like the Freelancer the animation makes it very secure since it closes once you are done entering or exiting. No one's going to sneak past you onto your ship.

[@rclines001]

Not entirely accurate. Someone on top of your ship can hop in as you enter/leave, but yes, it is a lot more secure than a ramp. Also, the MSR will be getting a second entrance "Soon", as stated about this time last year.

[@qdaniele97]

More than that I like that it has a small docking collar. Being able to move between ships without going EVA is a huge deal

[@CHRISXTR3M3GAMING]

@@qdaniele97LOL none of the medium or small docking collars actually work to dock. Do you even play?

[@Teejay82_]

@@CHRISXTR3M3GAMING LOL what is not here today, might be here tomorrow. Do you even think forward?

[@quuaaarrrk8056]

Three entries, and one of these is a docking collar. I like Crusader designs, but it is impossible to enter their ships :D

[@JagHiroshi]

Worth checking the dev posts for what Mark Gibson had to say about Spirit vs Zeus components. It looks like the Zeus is configured to a new standard that all ships will get moved to eventually.

[@Quickb3n]

Would you happen to have a link to this ?

[@Dracounguis]

With so many extra shields compared to other ships of similar size... I hope it is.

[@lystic9392]

But will other ships be adjusted up or down?

[@CapnSnackbeard]

I was hoping so, because if not this thing is minmaxed to the gills and the min isn't even that min, it's mostly just a lot of max.

[@CapnSnackbeard]

And this feels like a good design decision, because this ship does not feel milquetoast. Like the Defender, and some of the other Alien ships, it has character, and feels like it has a little something other ships don't. If all small ships have all size 1 parts, it makes part sizes feel redundant.

[@jedi_drifter2988]

The cockpit/nose of ship, looks more like a Anvil Carrack than it does RSI IMO. Also at Citcon The dev presenting the Zeus line of ships said, the CL would have extra hull Armor and under wing thrusters for extra lift. The Cutlass Blue also has a dampener or emp to keep you from quantum. I don't remember which, but one of them

[@Giliver]

It's the only part I don't like

[@MaximizedAction]

It’s rehashing a few ship designs. Front is Carrack, rear half shape and plating resembles the Eclipse, overall shape from above is Galaxy, overall shape/crossection from the front looks either like Terrapin or Nomad.

[@tetsatou2815]

The cockpit's more like the Scorpius. I noticed newer RSI stuff is going to the single sloped glass body cockpit with "mandibles" to either side. Honestly I hope they go this with the Connie because RSI needs to get over that cockpit strut fetish they had early on.

[@jedi_drifter2988]

@@tetsatou2815 Agreed, the only reason I haven't pulled the trigger on the Zeus, is I have a Taurus .

[@marcohorodnichev9489]

If I have to be fair, the Carrack has an RSI type cockpit compare to all the other anvil ships.

[@JoeTheSpaceGuy]

Just upgraded my Freelancer Dur to the Zeus ES!

[@Karackal]

All I ever wanted was a bigger Avenger Titan with a copilot seat. Could this finally be it?

[@robopenguin5501]

Same! Love my titan but i'd love some extra cargo space, interior, and multicrew capability

[@wilbur218]

@@robopenguin5501 get a cuttie... it even has side panels !

[@robopenguin5501]

⁠@@wilbur218I’ve got a cuttie now, but I would like it to have some more health and some proper long range stuff like a bathroom or small kitchen so

[@OneTwoMark]

Its nothing like an Avenger Titan lol.

[@luc_mns]

I went for a CL as a daily driver, CCU'd from my nomad, it seems like an upgrade in every way.

[@xekeys]

Why the CL over the ES?

[@luc_mns]

@@xekeys already own a 600i so it wouldn't have been able to compete as an explorer and I like to have loads of cargo space, making it more versatile for shorts session of game.

[@orbitalpotato9940]

How much was the ccu and what was your placeholder ship??

[@luc_mns]

@@orbitalpotato9940 the CCU was 70$ (store credits) and I'm not sure what you means by placeholder, if it's the loaner then at the moment it's an A1

[@njasicko]

Thanks for the video! I rolled the dice and replaced my Blue with a MR. I like RSI stuff over Drake stuff.

[@Dracounguis]

I am continually surprised that they can't put out a brochure with correct data. Does no one say 'Hey Chris we're launching this ship tomorrow, can we have someone double check the data before we ask people for money based on incorrect data?'

[@ferenctoka]

Mark gibson said that the components for the Zeus shown are the new standard for every ship going forward. So every ship stat is up in the air with balance now. We don’t know anything more, but for example all the cutlass could have x4 s2 shields.

[@CapnSnackbeard]

​​​@@ferenctokaparticularly with shields, and the ability to mix them to get the best of everything. An ES can have one extra fast regen, one fast, one medium, and a slow chonky boy, and have over-all shields that are both quick, and strong. Other ships would be at a pretty sigbificant disadvantage. All other things beong equal, it is a solid tie breaker.

[@Kyle-sr6jm]

They can't even bother to task some secretary or intern to keep the website ship matrix up to date.

[@CapnSnackbeard]

@@Kyle-sr6jm if I really heard it right that there are only 28 ship designers working on SC ships, that's about 3% of their staff. If they can't even spare money to make the ships they sell, how could they ever afford such an extravagance? 😆

[@heru_ur6017]

Thats done on purpose, gives them an out when they change it later.

[@guysolomon7904]

The component setup of the ES is what drew me in - having large fuel tanks is very attractive with locations like Pyro where distances are way greater than Stanton.

[@Platinumsniper]

The devs stated that the reason for the large cargo capacity was that the cargo will be loaded to a point that it's blocking access to components. unlike many ships were you will always have space to access you components.

[@monty58]

Looks like the cargo hold is basically the same size as the freelancer max, just with the cargo grid going all the way to the wall. It also probably helps not having that turret access blocking some of it

[@CathrineMacNiel]

@@monty58 if you wouldn´t care about the turret access, you can easily fit 12 additional SCU in the MAXes Cargo Hold and still be able to access the components.

[@collin5199]

for anyone wondering this is about to come out in 4.0 or so was teased you can really never tell guess we will see

[@LemmingOfEvil]

My money for the ST goes on it being (or at least was) a STealth military ship. Extra turret, modified body, dark paint scheme, along with RSI's involvement in building ships for military service. Also, I picked up CCUs for all three variants, because I really love the look of this ship. Space dorito fleet ftw.

[@jedi_drifter2988]

I've been waiting for a Stealth military ship, that can hold at the least a Cyclone-RN .

[@xvieirax]

ST means STATUS, so it's probably a luxury version

[@lystic9392]

​​@@xvieiraxWhy do so many people say this? Was there a clue I missed?

[@xvieirax]

@lystic9392 it was write STATUS in the upper left corner of the picture from the ship that was leaked

[@lystic9392]

@@xvieirax Ah, nice catch.

[@vernadante7019]

With regards to the CL's larger cargo hold, other than the larger footprint, comparing the profiles, the roof of the rear is markedly larger, more squared and less tapered. So I imagine that feeds in to the increased capacity somewhat. I only mention it, as I haven't encountered anyone who has brought it up.

[@ironhand453]

I like the new look RSI is going with. I picked up the Marky Mark for some bounty hunting game play. The biggest draw it had on me,was that is has both the EMP and quantum dampener on it. Since I did not already have a dedicated bounty hunting ship it was an easy pick up for me. I also like the extra cargo varient one but I did not get it since I already have a MSR and will potentaly make more money when data running comes in game and you can mix both electronic cargo and physical cargo together.

[@RookRiot1]

The bounty hunter version is the Marque (Mark) as in "letter of marque." An old naval tradition of giving a privateer crew an "official license" for piracy against the enemies of the crown. Or in this case, bounty hunting.

[@chrisajokinen]

I think they will not tune down these stats, but CIG will tune up a lot of older ships

[@varthelm]

Pretty much mirrors my feelings on all these ships. Got the ES because eventual exploration game play is a goal of mine and I could never get behind the DUR. Agree that if you care more about transporting cargo than Urzas, the CL probably is the way to go. However the pilot controled firepower on the MAX is better so, still a conversation perhaps. The MR will come down to how they adress the turrets vs the EWAR package. If one copilot only gets to switch between turrets while the other controls only the EWAR as on the Antares, its only slightly better than the Antares (from a crew engagement standpoint) and we all know how well received that was.

[@jedi_drifter2988]

Don't forget about blades for turrets ...

[@Dracounguis]

I like the look of the freelancer. I like exploration. But the DUR is just too ugly. 🤷 But it is such an old chassis, I would not be surprised if it got a significant rework. A crew of four on a ship that size is outdated.

[@cv368]

As a FL Max owner i think i will wait to see if the gold standard pass on the Lancers wont at least even out the range difference a bit. But other than that, i am glad i already filled my concept ship budget with a Spirit. Otherwise i would have bought either the ES or the CL before the panel was over

[@Platinumsniper]

There was for a breif moment a "Racing" tab on the Zeus page so it is thought that a racing variant may get announced at IAE

[@HirschfeldWillamette]

GAWD this ship is SLEEK! I just got Star Citizen and I wanna get something like this eventually.

[@patsypattemore7610]

Will be interesting to see what happens with the freelancer as it needs a full rework.

[@marcohorodnichev9489]

I love MISC ships, and the new ones like the HULL-A have beautiful internal design. I really hope they do cause they would become some very cool ships

[@jackday9424]

thanks for this! i was fighting myself with getting either the ES or the CL and i went for the ES, it shall be my home ship lol. thanks again for this vid

[@Glathgrundel]

Ditto … the ES will be my Millennium Falcon once in game.

[@Axxo978]

A silver-metallic paint job on the Cutlass Blue = Din Djarin aka Mando's original ship - This is the way

[@Cornerboy73]

I ditched my Hawk for the MR. A couple of friends of mine have joined the game and are keen on bounty hunting; they saw the MR and thought it looked cool. I never particularly liked the aesthetic of the Hawk or the Cutlass Blue for that matter so I upgraded to something we can all play with together. The clipper is tempting too - I have a soft spot in my heart for my old Freelancer Max but the extra shielding is tempting me.

[@undersmack648]

Devs confirmed the shields are designed to be post shield rework, so not to put much stock on the number of shields on the ship.

[@CapnSnackbeard]

If the Defender gets 2x S2, I will squeal unattractively

[@JClif]

I got the CL. I really liked the design of the ships. Also, I like the cargo compacity for the price.

[@kajuta240]

NO! You get a shit Crusader Bomber as a loaner. How does a useless bomber equate to any of the Zeus variants? I got next 0 cargo and a bay full of near useless bombs, when I ordered a Zeus CL.

[@Togen2063]

This really makes me want to see how the connie is going to change, this just seems to outright beat the connie at present

[@ZeilShadowXZX]

Honestly, I prefer ramps over elevators and I honestly see this handling a lot better than the Connie

[@jedi_drifter2988]

Except the connie has 2 - 3 x the firepower of the Zeus.

[@HeatherMason455]

the connie is tankier, generally has more storage and dps too, im still gonna melt mine for a zeus tho, the level of polish being the reason

[@addgamer4545]

We are getting component changes for most ships according to CIG so old ship components are completely up in the air.

[@sumofl]

I'm really excited to see how stealth mechanics will play out over the next few years with scanning being fleshed out... I bought the CL as a replacement for my Kore because I like to run cargo and smuggle but wanted something that would have just a little more space than 6 scu. Here's hoping it'll be as fast as it looks and eventually have another paint scheme than hazard tape/blue/black.

[@mizzoumade7508]

As a longtime mustang alpha only owner, the RSI CL looks very tempting. Robert bout to finally get me hahahah

[@mstrickk1]

The difference between the ES and the CL might be interior height, but it will probably change before release.

[@Chris-iv8sb]

I would imagine, once Armor gets properly added into the game, this ship's engine will be quite hard to take out, which would be a tremendous benefit for running away with cargo.

[@brvedon]

Just bought the MR! Can't wait to fly it in a year

[@mr.p5864]

is it worth that much money for pixels? absolutely not, did I buy it? yes

[@magic6255]

Solid information and definitely appreciate the added comparisons, helped me make my decision very easy. 👍

[@wilemelliott]

The ST also has an extra turret, rear mounted spoiler, different winglets, and what looks like a skylight over the cargo bay.

[@draconas5086]

The primary thing I'm curious about with at least the CL and MR (since those are the two I grabbed) is the type of ground vehicle they'll be capable of hauling

[@GothicFluffyWolf]

good vid, though a note for future vids so that you don't confuse new SC players looking for an opinion or insight on what might be one of their first stand alone ships, you should consider keeping your slide shows more related to the ship of function your talking about when showing off a ship or one with multiple variants.... like talking about cargo size between different variants and your slides show is just random instead of a side by side comparison of the variants of the ship.... or talking about a specific variant in detail, your slide show is just random as it should be to that ship.... I've been playing SC all the way back when Port Olisar was the only thing around and its always nice to see new players come to a game like this...

[@bmoura]

Very good video, as usual! I would also compare the ES with the 400i.

[@KevinFelker]

Yeah, I'm trying to justify having both ships. I'm an Origin fan, and have the 400i, but it's a L ship with a M Radar. The Zeus MK II is a M ship with a L Radar. What advantages does the 400i have?

[@bmoura]

@@KevinFelker 400i have a size 3 shield, 42 scu of cargo (+10), one more remote turret, the turrets have size 3 weapons and have a dedicated garage for a hover bike that won't take up storage space.

[@stevenh9474]

@@KevinFelker Can't be sure yet, but I'd put money on the 400i being faster on top of what was said in ^ comment. We also don't yet know how the jump drive sizes are going to dictate how our ships go from system to system. Maybe the ES has an easier time going through wormholes than the 400i? And iirc the 400i (like other Origin ships) has a fuel scoop, so it's hydrogen fuel will likely last much longer than the ES, but I could be totally wrong on that point. Last thing, many many years ago, the devs said something about how luxury ships will provide some kind of bonus to our ability to have NPC crews stay happier for longer times away from stations/planets. Like some kind of morale boost for having nicer accommodations in ships. IDK if this is still planned, but if so it bears considering if you plan to hire NPCs and keep them out on long excursions. So in reality it sounds like the advantages the ES would have are 1.) Scanning 2.) better forward fire (although fighting in either ship is probably bad idea) 3.) Jump gate characteristics (but that could go either way) 4.) This is speculation but I'd imagine the 400i may get an "upkeep tax" or something for being a luxury ship. It might cost more to maintain an Origin over a similar ship from another manufacturer.

[@KevinFelker]

@@stevenh9474 I've been around since kickstarter, don't think I ever heard that part about NPC morale. Sounds pretty cool, as I plan on running with at least one NPC. Thanks for the detailed reply.

[@BetterThanLifeProd]

The MR's top turret was said to be "Forward Facing." So could be pilot control. The "Dampner" is listed as both QED and QD so is confusing. QED would have the Snare. The big requirement for me to CCU from my Blue to an MR, is what the crew positions actually are. :) We've been told jump point size were being refactored. What is the point of the Hydrogen Tank size? Most of your flight time is going to be using Quantum fuel. Hydrogen fuel is used in landing approach and leaving an LZ or in Dogfighting.

[@Anachroschism]

It also seems to have atmospheric flight control surfaces. I wouldn't worry too much about what ships have which components, as that's all likely to change with the power grid rework.

[@wellnesstribedpt]

Im going to change out my DUR which i love for the Zeus ES! Thanks for the comparisons. Helps alot!

[@frankbutterworth4257]

i bought a ccu upgrade to the CL, it being able to hold more cargo than the C1 spirit while being similar in size makes it the better option at the moment.

[@Talisman060]

its the python from ED and i need it.

[@ozramblue117]

Turrets are all size three weapons iirc. Es is supposed to fit the cyclone class of ground vehicles. Agree there’s plenty up in the air. All I know is I can hardly wait for their release. My guess with the ST is it will be the “Phoenix” or “James Bond” version, with more combat ability than EC or cl but no eWar (emp and dampener) with a more luxurious internal design. Just a guess… and I bet one of mine will be upgraded to it.

[@radsjet]

If i can fit a roc in the zeus MR i will probably make that my daily driver for its ability to just do a little of anything except cargo i quess, but i can always just rent a ship for cargo running if i want to do that for the day

[@MersageSW]

Thanks for the video. Your should you buys are often the highest quality around. Great stuff

[@BanditCrusader]

How it fits all that cargo on the CL is it stack wall to wall so you can't walk around the cargo bay when it's full

[@ampeel-lj8pu]

My guess is that the Zeus would be pretty sluggish, with that big health pool. If not, there’s no real reason to go for the C1 Spirit over the CL (besides looks - it has less cargo, is a bigger target and doesn’t even have multiple entryways - and it’s still a medium hauler with a tractor beam….) unless it goes way up in price. Still picked a CL up though :) Edit: I’d say it would be a fair competitor to the max, the cargo difference is minimal in exchange for more pilot weapons. The max’s rework may see it gain a tractor beam(?)

[@jookm]

The Vanguard is a heavy fighter. The Zeus is a larger multi-crew ship. So it makes sense to me that the shields are stronger than a Vanguard. What I don't quite understand is that the floorplans appear to have an airlock right behind the cockpit across from the suit lockers. But the exterior doesn't appear to reflect that, so I would presume there would be some modifications in that regard.

[@kira68200]

am I the only one thinking that the combat oriented one is the one being the less protected ? I mean the exploration one has one supplementary shield and I have heard that the cargo one has supplementary armor but nothing for the combat one, huh, strange

[@joshuadixie2673]

I don’t have the link, but they mentioned on spectrum that the shields on these are correct. There was originally going to be an announcement about shield shield rebalancing across ships, but that was put off and will be forthcoming.

[@WAZZINUK]

This is the best ship comparison video I've seen over the last 7 years of Star Citizen. Thank you!

[@nerdglider]

The only thing that confused me was that sometimes you were showing a different variant than the one you we’re talking about but good info man, I picked up an ES CCU from my cutlass :)

[@ElianaSegelski]

Very glad to listen to your analysis again

[@mactan_sc]

i think the ES has an open hallway through the middle that cant be filled with cargo, similar to the C1, where i believe the CL is allowed to go wall to wall cargo with no access to rear ramp

[@dragonsforge8278]

I would like to know if it has the VTOL fans that the constellation series have that is a big factor for me

[@franksculpts4625]

The ST varient is pretty much a for sure based on that fact. They showed it in the art images and they didn't unveil it with the others. Then they showed the silhouettes of the up and coming ships and one of them ones a Zues Mark II but everyone kept saying no it couldnt be as they just unveiled it. But it only makes since that that one would be the ST variant which most likely would be a racing variant or data runner.

[@TheJoGeLu]

Would the Cargo varient be an ok daily driver? I currently daily a C1 Spirit and not sure if I should upgrade

[@arnov7611]

Why did they put the turret under the ship, while on top it could offer minimal defense when the ship is on the ground...

[@joshm3484]

Know what this reminds me of? The Titan's big brother. Can fight and do a little cargo, mining, exploration, etc without excelling at any of them. Does seem like an _everyman_ ship.

[@n1c2c8]

ST: Stealth? Status? Sport Touring? STarfarer? ShuTtle? STriker?

[@Winterx69]

It may read 128 SCU, but honestly, I only see 64 SCU when looking at it... - i.e. 4x the MR's cargo capacity, instead of 4x that of the ES

[@Alopen-xb1rb]

Agreed. CIG also said the reworked 600i was going to fit a Nova but never mentioned how it would fit underneath the 600i to begin with. Years later the rework is still “pending”. Take some of the schematics with a grain of salt

[@joelellis7035]

​@Alopen-xb1rb the rework of the 600i was only announced in the past year.

[@Alopen-xb1rb]

@@joelellis7035 without a ramp the 600i just does not have the clearance to load a Nova tank by elevator in the belly of the 600i. The main point of my comment. There are plenty of clips mentioning it will be able to carry a Tonk. Solid chance they will backtrack on that idea OR add a ramp which they never mentioned. Irregardless of when the rework was announced.

[@joelellis7035]

@@Alopen-xb1rb No, the only mentioning of the 600i carrying the Tonk came with the announcement of the rework. It was to emphasize how they reworked the design to eliminate the player complaints about wasted space inside the ship. The mentioning of the Tonk was a surprise because it contrasted with the luxury aesthetic of the Origin line of ships. And you're unnecessarily trying to box in the argument that a ramp is necessary. Like they did with the 400i, the landing gear need only be extended for the 600i to give the necessary clearance for the Tonk.

[@Psykadellic77]

Where can i buy it tho? The website doesn't show the purchase option

[@lystic9392]

I kinda hope the MR will be good for something but I'm not convinced about its combat ability. Guess we'll see.

[@markreiser4080]

What is the other room in opposite to the armory on the MR for??

[@det0na904]

00:36 Zeus was made before jump points where discovered, what only billionares could buy was the drive that could jump across systems, way after the Zeus.

[@marty2129]

Now when Zeus is released and almost completely outclasses Freelancers and C1 (and MSR) in the role of a smaller medium freighter both in features and in most stats, can we get a post-release version of this video?

[@coina-dig-tion6322]

Did you attend CitzenCon? I was lucky enough to go and it was really fantastic. So glad I made the effort to go. Not going to buy the Zeus. Kind of want a Pioneer now that they've gotten us excited about base building.

[@David_Martinez_USA]

Hello, if you have a chance, could you make a video comparing the 325A vs MR please

[@breezie336]

I think is they start implementing atmosphere flight dynamics properly, you will see a big ship handling diffidence between the Zeus and it's competitors. like the Freelancer and Drake.

[@greyeyes3333]

If I may, I think the most direct line of comparison for the Xeus ES is the 400i. It has about the same shield HP pool, very similar in cargo capacity, the same pilot controlled weapons and similar scanning ranges. The primary advantage the Zeus has at this moment over the 400i is that it should be able to navigate small jump portals as it is comparable in size to a freelancer. The 400i has the advantage of dedicated vehicle storage, an additional turret and the cartography table but it’s limited to medium jump points and up. The only reason I am not buying one is that I already own a 400i and at this point I am not ready to trade it for a Zeus. Even though I want one. I will likely pick up a Zeus MR in game when it’s released. I think There is a lot of good gameplay capabilities there but I am not going to spend real money on it. Also I’m already deep enough into this project and I am doing my best to hold off on giving CIG fresh money until Squadron 42 is released. STL I love your content, I have followed your channel for years and I really enjoy your commentary. Thanks so much.

[@stonerhino83]

So in summary, the $250 ship outperforms the $150 ship.

[@Xeonzs]

I know you compared the CL to the freelancer Max, but what about CL compared to RAFT?

[@charliemcawesome5012]

For the MR vs. Cutty Blue discussion…. This changes now I think. With Master Modes the EMP can now be considered much more seriously…. If you can jump…. You no longer have shields up.

[@Dracounguis]

Unless there's something we don't know about the Zeus; it does EVERYTHING better than any ship you could say is a competitor. So if you're in the market for a medium sized ship the Zeus is probably what you want.

[@kebasor]

Actually, it doesn't, though it's easy to miss where it falls behind. STL already made the case why someone would want another ship than the MR. The ES, while capable, falls behind the Freelancer DUR in both combat ability and flight range due to the refinery aboard the DUR. If you want a combat explorer, the DUR is the better ship. As for the CL, the better pilot controlled weaponry means the Freelancer MAX is actually a superior ship for a solo pilot, while the top turret provides coverage while landed. The bottom turret of the CL only keeps point blank ground units from boarding the ship. As always, the right ship to get depends on what the player intends in it's use, and wait for the Q&A before deciding when you can.

[@Dracounguis]

@@kebasor yes the freelancer has more guns, but depending on how agile the Zeus is, it might have more on target time. And it's hard to argue against twice the shields.

[@kebasor]

@@Dracounguis Twice the shielding is, definitely, a nice feature, but having twice the firepower is also a deterrent against being attacked in the first place. Remember, not only does a Freelancer have twice the gunpower of a Zeus, those guns are all gimbled, which means it will inherently have more on-target time than the fixed guns of the Zeus. In addition, the very advantages of the Zeus in other respects (larger internal volume, larger components) work against it having even equal agility to the Freelancer. I look at the Freelancer as an explorer meant to fight, while the Zeus is an explorer meant to run. There's nothing wrong with having both.

[@addgamer4545]

Also the Zeus is the first ship marked with the new shield/potentially component sizes so we literally know nothing.

[@xekeys]

What about the c1?

[@biglou7378]

As a newer citizen, how did this CitizenCon compare to previous years?

[@ElijahNMitchell]

I wonder if the ST is a transport like the E1, would make sense for them to delay it since the E1 got fucked over with a delayed release compared to the other Spirits

[@DevilsxArms]

I really like the style and design of the ship. But im not sure which one to go for. A ES or CL? Which one would be a good general purpose ship? I have a caterpillar, cutlass black, andromeda, and a couple of other small fighters and ground vehicles.

[@mokane86]

Do we know yet if the Zeus can fit is small jump points? Thinking about upgrading my DUR, but if Zeus is medium+ only then I don’t call it an “upgrade” for my plan.

[@dondampa7845]

i have upgraded my c1 tu the zeus mk2 fright cl :) i hope the traktor beam works better then the one on the c1

[@TheShorterboy]

at the current price it's an excellent boat especially for 138 SCU with the level of shields until scanning gameplay and the secure cargo works it's better than an MSR for hauling

[@AsuraDandy]

i'm highly considering it, I have a freelancer Max, which was upgraded from the Freelancer which I've had for a long long time. Though maybe not until its actually ready, but unless the Freelancer series gets a redesign and get a gold standard pass, I just feel like this is a faaar better choice than the freelancers. The freelancer max and this Zeus Mk II are both the same price yet this one has slightly more cargo space, It has vastly more room to move around in and just overall looks better. I know they advertise the Freelancers as the space truck, but for the price that its being sold as, it just does not seem worth the amount that is being asked for when you could get something way better for a similar price. Which pains me because I do like the MISC line ups. But as we constantly get newer ships, it becomes painfully obvious how old these designs are and how they don't match up with what we currently have. Especially now that we got the Hull C and how good these MISC ships could look.

[@LemonToGo]

The Zeus is a ship I‘d love to work myself up to in game. Buying in in the pledge store would skip way too much progression.

[@housediablo3556]

During citizencon, they said that the biggest current ground vehicle they can haul is the cyclone

[@Im_Not_From_Around_Here]

I got the 'Essential' variant because I dont have an exploring ship plus I love the design.

[@rclines001]

I was a little sad that the CL took the place of the Max as the largest cargo able to pass through small jump points. It was one of the major things the Max had going for it. I guess it's still the cheapest though as I'm guessing the CL will be around $200 when it is releases.

[@adniknax8064]

Well, if you think about it, the Constellation Taurus is at the same price, I don't think it will increase much.

[@OviWanKeno9i]

I ended buying it. I upgraded my Cutty Black to a Zeus CL (even though I hate the paint job) The loaner is an A1, which is kind of worse than a Cutty Black, utility wise. The Spirit A1 also shoots two of its guns weirdly. They cross paths close to the ship. Otherwise I only have an Avenger Titan, because it's still the best starter ship probably.

[@jamespruitt4756]

really wish we had a medical version! would like something new until we get the Apollo. cutlass red is good, but oh so fragile...and there's only so much space duct tape! still considering upgrading to the CL...kinda curious to see how big the storage area is. maybe might be able to finagle a C8R in there? prolly not. still worth a shot though!

[@ymemag9861]

Like the number of entrances for sure.

[@Verinia]

I basically traded my MSR for both the ES and CL. The idea being, as a solo space hermit, I can take my ES out to explore what I want to explore (FFS, give us more exploration info CIG!!) and the CL to transport goods and small vehicles from my hermitage to town when I need to visit the unwashed masses. Do you think I'll have more combined utility with both ES and CL, than I'd get with MSR alone? I don't care about data running because it's not out yet (and couldn't I fit future space information on a future space thumb drive? Why do I need a massive server room??!?).

[@qdaniele97]

Every body saying that having 4 medium shields is crazy but this ships is just a little smaller than the 400i which comes with a single large shield (AKA more than double the shield capacity of 4 medium ones, even equiping the best possible S2 shields and the worst possible S3 one). And before someone mentions the difference in price between the two ships, remember that the 400i is already released and at its highest price while the Zeus is at its very first concept sale and almost guaranteed to increase in price multiple times over the next years.

[@hoodlumX25]

I believe the reason the CL has more cargo space has to do with the lack of top turret above the cargo area.

[@xvieirax]

But ES doesn't have one too

[@hoodlumX25]

@@xvieirax ahhh my mistake, I thought it did when I first saw it.

[@michaelsmith953]

A solid maybe since they're apparently going to update similarly sized ship's components....making me think we will have 3 size subcategories: connie size, a1 size, and cutlass size

[@Nodispo1022]

Hello, can someone tell me what ship they give in the meanwhile if you buy a ZEUK MKII MR ? thanks a lot, i like the concept of the ship, so i'm hesitating in buying it if they give you a crappy ship instead while waiting :l

[@THAIMRD]

Wonder how well it will do solo

[@ChristianSamsel]

The CL doesn't seem like a good deal compared to Constellation Taurus. More Cargo and a lot stronger weaponry for not much more eddies.

[@DaBigCheese75]

Playing Cyberpunk...I see you choom

[@Spectrefang]

Wonder if, following RSI naming, there will be a Zeus MK2 LN

[@mryllo]

Hey what do you think is the better option of crusader c1 and zeus mark 2 cl?