Star Trek Discovery Is So Woke It SUCKS

[@sunshine08ist]

I'm going to admit it. I can't stand shows or movies that are too woke, it never appealed to me.

[@eliotchangofficial]

Me neither. I just want it to be good

[@EPetras]

It always feels way too forced

[@josepetersen7112]

It’s funny, the older shows certainly were written primarily by democrats. Being quite conservative, I really STILL enjoyed the show. This new stuff just goes too far. Honestly, Lorca was my favorite character and captain until they ruined him.

[@KLamki1]

@@josepetersen7112 Yeah, when the left could still somewhat think critically and creatively. Now they can't do either. You aren't being entertained or making you think, you're just being indoctrinated.

[@Getvictd744]

I'm just fast forwarding all over the place almost finished season 2

[@Bookhermit]

It not even a show anymore, it's a "representation parade"

[@eliotchangofficial]

So sad

[@nounnoun]

Yep, just like Star trek the original series, deep space 9, etc...

[@Whitebeardtheking9]

@@nounnoun but unlike those older better shows. This takes a side whereas those shows gave you the perspective of both sides of things without beating you over the head.

[@WhatsWrongWithTheStreet]

That is a good way to put it.

[@farazq]

@@nounnoun Maybe you should watch them.

[@voltz15]

Maybe when Orville ends, they can be hired to direct a proper Star Trek series and get everything back on track.

[@Johnjohnson-zg4ek]

That would be awesome

[@procreation100]

Is Orville back I thought it was canceled like 2 years ago

[@anwarsentinel1752]

I wouldn't make any bets just yet

[@richardanderson8696]

The Orville already is a proper Star Trek series.

[@Hexterguard99]

Indeed, that would be good.

[@mservice5229]

It's biggest mistake is the hyper focus on a single character. It's telling when most people don't even known the names of most of the crew after this much time.

[@eliotchangofficial]

Exactly. When that cyborg died i didn't even care

[@nuttydishwasher5377]

@@eliotchangofficial Heck, I wouldn't even care if Michael Burnham died.

[@nuttydishwasher5377]

In fact, i would probably cheer.

[@pittland44]

The show is little more than a feminist power trip. Change my mind.

[@FacultyFan]

That was a major mistake. I think I was 4 seasons in and couldn't name but 1 or 2 characters on the bridge because the focus was always on mikey. Not to mention the technology wasn't the only thing powered by magic mushrooms. I think the people who wrote the plot were high. And yes, the woke shit killed it. The episode where the 50 year old white guy who somehow invented tribbles is being commanded by a "captain" who looks all of 21? Really? Did Starfleet stop promoting on the basis of merit and just started following DEI standards for promotions? Has it stopped the evil reign of white man tyranny? You know, those evil white colonizing bastards like Picard and Kirk? Have we solved the future's problems because we have exterminated white men (and eventually women)? Is it really genocide if it's justified? Or are we just going to force the white people into subservient second class citizen roles because of their skin color. I have a feeling that was totally what Star Trek was about. Equality? Fuck that! This is Equity! we can fix the past by becoming genocidal racists! oh wait.... I guess history is repeating itself.

[@abd.tjuliano5829]

the wokeness level is too damn high, it beams me to perpetual cringe state

[@zac8670]

Star Trek series are often shortened to their acronym. Knowing this common knowledge, can we just pause for a second at how idiotic it was to name the series STD? How tf did this get approved?

[@johnmeneses7039]

Because as the Acronym implies, that's exactly what it is, I wouldn't touch it if you paid me to.

[@josephcelestine1945]

Because it is an STD!!!! "annoying, and seems to spread despite you not wanting it to"

[@CaraSands]

It’s funny, but in accurate. The acronyms are TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT. But that logic, this shows acronym is DIS.

[@zshah3107]

Ironically, STD always stands for Sexually Transmitting Diease!

[@adamb89]

Years ago when Vampire Diaries was still a thing, every now and then on the CW a little blurb would pop up in the corner that said "Catch VD." Someone once said that every business should hire a 14 year old and invite them to every marketing meeting. If they ever laugh at any suggestion, you should seriously consider something else.

[@toanaboogegefrancis7221]

Of course they hire people to tick boxes, there's an Asian guy who barely has any lines. He's just there like trophy on a shelf.

[@calebrands4912]

That makes the original series look woke.

[@rudiruttger]

this show makes star trek V watchable

[@Wolf912]

It makes Star Trek V good.

[@man8785]

The only good part of Star Trek after 2005 was the brief glimpse of the cast posing for a Star Trek V promo shoot in Star Trek Beyond (Redemption).

[@m_johnson-longisland]

Wow! That’s tough! Lol

[@nickfarmer88]

Hey hey hey, Star Trek V was the reason I became a fan of TOS 😂👍🏾

[@MrMalawk]

I almost fell down the stairs reading this one! Omfg that was hysterical 🤣😂

[@vonnconsul4074]

To think that shows like Dollhouse, Firefly, and Fringe which the first two just outright go cancelled, and Fringe getting so close to cancelling, boggles my mind when shows like Riverdale and this horseshit keeps getting aired. THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH HOLLYWOOD?

[@jarynn8156]

Evidently people who aren't you enjoy the show. Given that it costs CBS over a hundred million dollars to film a season of Discovery, it must be doing well to continue justifying it. The show has now lasted longer than Kirk's run.

[@vonnmiguelconsul7650]

@@jarynn8156 So I assume you like this show? If so, good for you. It still doesn't change the fact that it's horeshit and forced propaganda. I don't get why SJWs get off to forced writing like this.

[@calebb7012]

Kurtsman and the rest of them bastardized everything gene Roddenberry strove for in his writing.

[@AQuietNight]

I watched the first 15 minutes of the first show, turned it off and never went back. Michelle Yeoh was a real sales point for me but by minute 15 I thought I can' watch this show anymore. From what I heard, my sense about turning this show off was correct.

[@nuttydishwasher5377]

I tried to give it a chance, but after painfully plodding through the nonsensical first season, I could no longer watch it after season 2 episode 3. I don't think I have ever been this ANNOYED by a main character. Heck, they should've replaced Michael Burnham with Yar yar Binks, at least THEN it would have been a proper parody of the series.

[@johnmeneses7039]

Absolutely agree with you, I never made it past about 15 minutes, never went back, never will, and I am a BIG TREKKIE. STD is not Star Trek at all, it's a modern piece of woke rubbish.

[@bugmanmd1576]

@@johnmeneses7039 you're right on. This is not star trek at all. I've loved trek since the original series, but made it through only S01E01, about half way before I turned it off. I'll never go back. They have completely ruined Trek.

[@Anonymouscommentor99]

I made it to season 3. It is barely watchable. Even with the visuals, the virtue signalling is off the charts. Embarrassing. This woke train has run off the rails big-time. Sigh

[@goodaimshield1115]

I actually liked the first two seasons, despite the obvious wokeness with the characters (though I really don't like tha fact that theu were so over focused on like... 4 or 5 characters only, I don't even know the names of the crew). But the third one was a little bit too much.

[@da8675]

The level of over-the-top melodramatic acting of the Burnham character is sickening and intolerable.

[@WastedWastelander]

I tried. Seriously tried. But it’s just so bad, I cannot watch it. I liked the captain of the first season. The rest ist just unwatchable.

[@iamtheiceman]

Hell yeah ! I really REALLY loved Lorca as a character ! I thought his no nonsense style was the best thing ever. Pike was also awesome. And, evil Georgiou was also great ! Almost everyone else can go away, with maybe the exception of Saru, of course.

[@stevenscott2136]

As a person who frequently sided with Worf during briefing-room discussions, I also quite liked Lorca. I know Trek is supposed to be optimistic, but there ARE situations where "the best diplomat is a fully-charged phaser bank".

[@iamtheiceman]

Thanks for standing up and saying what needed to be said. I totally agree with you as do so many others. I am blown away by those people out there who actually defend this show even though it is clearly pushing diversity and shoving it right down your throats every opportunity it gets. I am all for diversity but like you said it must be balanced and should not be used to check off a box for diversity's sake. I love the story in season 1 and season 2 but you could definitely tell that they were ramping up the woke nature of the show the closer they got to season 3. Season 3 was a tragedy to watch and I can no longer take it. The spectacular cinematography, acting, and special effects of season 1 and 2 are a distant memory now. Keep up the good work man !

[@josephcelestine1945]

It's like this Crap is catered to a small select audience, everything else can go pound sand for all they care.

[@antneybomo1922]

So you want a white man only cast. Who has the real problem here?

[@emillyyelen5169]

@@antneybomo1922 stop assuming shit!

[@BalticDude_DCS]

Are you ready to admit Star Trek Enterprise was good yet?

[@johnmeneses7039]

Hooray another wise thinker. If STE was cancelled because of apparent low ratings, how come this rubbish is still being shown. Get rid of it and don't even try to syndicate it.

[@pwn1966]

It just got laughably worse and worse. It did it for me when the new Trill host said she/he/it preferred to be addressed by a non female pronoun. Done.

[@radicalrises7520]

But that was a fail at being woke too because the trill is multi gender due to the male and female host history. Im sure she said she wanted they/them pro nouns. Ultimate facepalm

[@WordSmithGuyana]

When Tasha Yar was head of Security on TNG she kicked ass.

[@Johnjohnson-zg4ek]

She was really believable too

[@WoodysAR]

Because she was Strong and Smart but not PollyAnna Perfect!

[@pointermom7641]

The wokeness is grating and makes this mess unwatchable. I'm done.

[@lepoolofdeathgaming567]

Another failed woke show while they cancel all the actual good ones

[@eliotchangofficial]

right?!

[@J.Wolf90]

At this rate. Lt commander data might be right. Tv will cease to exist by the mid 2040s

[@HairyDJMikeT]

"Failed" Three seasons, fourth in production. Two spinoffs. Another spinoff in the works and another two spinoffs being talked about. Talk about failure!

[@shadowmoon7821]

@@HairyDJMikeT right, i was laughing at this guy. but well. this show has 4 seasons, this guy needs to make these videos for the coin 🤣🤣🤣

[@HairyDJMikeT]

@@c.w.k.n.5117 Yeah that's what businesses do, deliberately dump money for four four years for no reason.

[@Dr_Steal_Computer]

someone in star trek's military decided to put every "diverse" person on 1 ship to fulfill their quotas passive aggressively so that they dont ruin every ship

[@Bookhermit]

The whole notion of Tilly even being allowed on board is silly....much less given a position of authority. At best, such a person might make it as a "geek squad" person they consult, but NEVER allow on the bridge or around critical negotiations!

[@eliotchangofficial]

Right?!

[@zac8670]

Ok. I thought I was crazy with what they wrote for Tilly in season 3, with literally no build up for proper explanation. Thanks for confirming why it felt incorrect.

[@TheWairarapaWildcat]

Tilly I'm sick of that chubby weepy character she's rubbish

[@pointermom7641]

Do these writers know nothing about military chain of command?

[@judaegekikamen4223]

@@pointermom7641 nope, they even said it themselves. It was a room full of women with no one else in the room, I.e. men. So they decided to write out their fanfics into "canon"

[@OZZIESPOCK]

Completely agree. I've loved Star Trek since I was 14 (1979). I've soaked up all of the series, movies. I can set my mind to ignore the obvious historical discontinuities, but what has stopped me from watching part way through S3 is the far-fetched writing. It's Mary Sue situation. Any time there's an overwhelming problem they write some magic to solve it. And then Saru makes Tilly his first officer, and everybody thinks it's great. Utter condescending, pandering bullshit. It insults the intelligence. There's more time spent expressing heart-felt feelings than there is doing anything else. It's a repulsive insult to Trekkies.

[@eliotchangofficial]

So true. Total mary sue-itis. They keep "writing" emotions instead of actually making the audience feel something

[@judaegekikamen4223]

@@eliotchangofficial thats the problem, everyone now a days thinks in feelings and emotions instead of logic and reason.

[@devmag52]

It’s a cesspool of CW style writing to be sure

[@josephcelestine1945]

Agreed! an insult to Trekkies, whom are all not LGBT.

[@CaptainSteen]

It sucks because it is written by the new generation of touchy-feely young people. Who think we constantly need long discussions on what the characters are feeling. Repeatedly confirming every five minutes how much they love each other. It's sickeningly sweet. They should watch the original series and learn that the audience will know that the characters care and respect one another without hammering the audience with it. Subtly and good acting are much more effective to translate emotions than long diatribes.

[@RoastedPheasant]

If the only value your product has is its message, it’s a bad product.

[@eliotchangofficial]

EXACTLY!! You can have a message, but you must have a good product FIRST

[@gaetano2477]

@First Commenter ikr, in tng they have a episode about a gender neutral character experiencing gender identity issues, and the characters actress it's so good and the script it's so we'll writed that i loved that episode none of that bulshit like in std when they have her "first gender neutral character of the series" and one of her first lines it's calling out a superior officer about her pronouns because it's ofended

[@gaetano2477]

@First Commenter the outcast, riker falls on love with a member of an androgynous race on witch they don't have sex but there are a group among them that feels identified with a gender and in their planet there's a lot of prejudice and persecution against them.

[@histguy101]

@Snake Plisken Sounds like he's just playing up to the expectations of this week, or this year, for whatever reasons.

[@Sam-bp8gk]

I stopped watching the circus , I can’t take it anymore.

[@AlexanderRobins0080]

Aggreed, dispite the visual effect and best efforts of the cast it's almost unwatchable. Just like Dr Who, the woke writers are ruining a great franchise. 😞

[@eliotchangofficial]

I hope the new Pike show is better

[@jonathansoko1085]

Picard is som how worse

[@judaegekikamen4223]

Watch, the big companies are going down the line of each scifi series and going to make them so woke, they destroy the genre.

[@jonathansoko1085]

@@judaegekikamen4223 being "woke" isnt really the problem. Star trek has ALWAYS been "woke" since TOS. Thats not inherently the problem. Its just HOW they do it, its just so ham fisted. Diversity isnt an issue, its always been diverse. Its simply how they do this garbage.

[@alwest4472]

I mean… dr who wasn’t really woke? It just had shitty concepts and bad writing? Because the show runner was a fucking idiot

[@BigFrakkinOgre]

I always give the first season of a new star trek series a lot of leeway, most get better fairly quickly but can start wonky. Season 2 gets no such excuses. STD lived up to the name

[@eliotchangofficial]

I usually only give a series 1 or 2 episodes to hook me. But because I'm so loyal to the franchise I watched the whole first two seasons. Such a waste

[@judaegekikamen4223]

@@eliotchangofficial you poor fool, that's inhumane torture! 😄😆🤣

[@noizW]

@@eliotchangofficial s3 was even worse!!!

[@johnmeneses7039]

Hahaha, I watched about 15 minutes of the first episode and said this is absolute rubbish, so far from the Star Trek Universe that I refuse to watch it. If Enterprise was cancelled due to poor viewership, then why are they still wasting money on this woke rubbish. I hear its viewership is even lower than that of Enterprise.

[@Primalxbeast]

@@eliotchangofficial I forced myself to sit though the first season of Stargate Universe. It was painful and I'm not even going to consider watching an entire season of Star Trek being destroyed. If you want to appeal to a new audience, make a new show instead of destroying an existing franchise just to make money. It's so disrespectful to old fans.

[@joepacheco7979]

I just got Paramount +, and binged till season 3, and just like you, after a while, I was like... "I'm surrounded by women, gays, and trans." Nothing against that, but damn, don't shove it all down my throat (pun kinda intended). Good job, dude.

[@OverlordMalarkey]

Tilly was a major insult to me because I too have aspergers/autism, during college my classmates watched Discovery and they all assumed people with aspergers and autism are like her. It pissed me off so much.

[@aggroknight4259]

Imagine having something that causes you to be unfairly segregated from the rest of the world. You're very intelligent as a person, but you don't get to live a normal life. You don't have any lasting friendships because you're never given a chance. All you have to go by is the internet, video games, and television. Then as you get older, you notice everything you enjoy become catered mainly towards upper-middle-income adults with cushy jobs. You can't find any new games, TV shows or movies that appeal to you anymore, and the ones you already have become stale and boring to indulge in. Then one day, you find out that on one of those newer TV shows that desecrated one of your favourite sci-fi franchises, there is a character who's supposed to represent the kind of person you are, but was obviously put there as nothing but a token, to sell some manufactured caricature of your identity to the "normal" privileged majority. This show is trash.

[@OverlordMalarkey]

@@aggroknight4259 Thank you! Finally someone understands how I felt!

[@rambojambo588]

Haha ass-burgers

[@thommysoisson]

You forgot to mention the over use of sarcasm. Lower ranking officers speaking sarcastically to higher ranking officers would never stand in any Star Trek series (INCLUDING THE MIRROR UNIVERSE). They would be dismissed, confined to quarters, relieved of duty or told "A word in my ready room, please." The sarcasm on these shows are not humorous in any way. They're out of line and disrespectful. And one other oddity. Why do they feel the need to make some sort of emotional speech in every scene like they're about to die or something. If you cut all that out, it would easily remove 30 minutes and give the show a more balanced pacing. Discovery has some REALLY awesome science fiction story lines but sadly they're always drowning in some unnecessary bullshit monologue that means less than nothing.

[@dickhardpicard]

Noooo bones was never sarcastic 🤦

[@SefniVinalonn]

Woah, one of my favorite modern comedians is both a huge Star Trek fan AND based? A surprise to be sure, but a welcome one.

[@eliotchangofficial]

Yup! Been a fan since i first saw the original series. Always identified with Spock! Lol

[@Bjorick]

@@eliotchangofficial i think i identify with data more then anyone, lol, so i can relate :D

[@darrellhart8129]

@@eliotchangofficial Fascinating.

[@timtimtimmaah]

Most comedians are based. You can't be a leftist with a sense of humour.

[@dickhardpicard]

@@eliotchangofficial noooo you should have identified with sulu.

[@jonathansoko1085]

treks kinda always been "woke" and socially aware but i feel like in the past it was always in the right way. Discovery just feels like a "hey look at us were totally down with you and are cool too" type of ordeal. I was always under the impression that in the trek universe they were long past these stupid "problems", guess they forgot

[@devmag52]

No, they are well aware what they are doing. When Stewart comes right out and says his show is a reaction to “Brexit and Trump”, not about being inspirational sci-fi like in days of old, the agenda is clear

[@jonathansoko1085]

@@devmag52 I was confused till i read that the makers of these shows are intentionally trying to make people mad. Thats all i needed to know.

[@EdmundKempersDartboard]

There is a distinct difference in tone. Classic trek was hopeful and optimistic. Even ds9. This garbage is angry and condescending. It's less of a show and more of a patronizing lecture.

[@jonathansoko1085]

@@EdmundKempersDartboard Thats pretty much what i said

[@bluebull399]

For me diversity and woke are 2 different things. Diversity means just that, a diverse cast. Woke is casting people purely to tick boxes.

[@garethwinnard4876]

I'm so glad I found this video, thought I was being to harsh, this is just not star Trek, if they spend as much time on the storyline as they do on virtue signalling it would be a great show

[@Chronz]

Bruh. Millions hate the show, you're not being too harsh

[@rancidsa]

I don't think I ever had such a massive eye roll in my life when they introduced the trans they/them character....and how sickening the awwws and oooos where from the characters...I mean this is in the future and space and all kinds of alien life form but this is such a revelation? POO, get out of here. Let Michelle Yeoh go rogue, steal a ship and take Saru, the two female pilots (I do like them), Dr Stamets and the engineer and LINUS but while escaping blow up everyone else...I like my plan. I'm not a trekkie, I enjoy stories, I enjoy good characters...and Micheal is not a good character.

[@eliotchangofficial]

That would be awesome if she went rogue and took those characters and made a whole new show!!

[@pointermom7641]

I agree. Michael is a terrible actress. For someone raised on Vulcan, nothing she ever does is logical - it's all emotion.

[@nyk2000m]

Yup, those are the only characters in the show that I see them as OK or Good.

[@judaegekikamen4223]

@@pointermom7641 she's more of a romulan than a vulcan ironically.

[@adammclaughlin845]

I'm autistic and I am considered to have a neurological defeat leading to a lifelong disability. But if I thought I was a woman, I would be a hero. Isn't modern diversity wonderful!

[@azraiel1984]

This isn't star trek, nothing has been star trek since Enterprise in 2001. My Star trek is nothing like this racist piece of garbage excuse of a franchise. Kept an open mind and watched the pilot of star trek discovery and it took all I had not to throw my fuckin controller at my Screen, I've been done with it since.

[@josephcelestine1945]

I loved the nature of Star Trek, the wholesomeness of exploring and having ideals and the realism of the show. But this "Woke" CRAP! They've destroyed Star Wars, Star Trek, Superman, etc. The list can go on and on, everything they touch turns to shit. It's like Midas but without turning things to Gold, except they turn everything to shit!

[@theodoreberbach9562]

I don't even give a shit not having straight males, I got more problems with no seeing more aliens. Where in the world is my fellow Andorian, Vulcans, Tellarites blah blah blah at? Hell, a vulcan captain would be awesome just to see how he manage a ship full of emotional beings

[@raven1613]

Thank You. I struggled through the first season, when the second season came out I struggled through two episodes and finally called it quits it. It just wasn’t Star Trek. Could not relate to the characters, they were not Star Fleet. When Voyager was announced and they introduced Captain Janeway, I thought the show was going to be a flop. But after the first episode, “ The first episode”, The character of Janeway fruit she was Starfleet, the acting the writing was all top shelf and for every episode it was top shelf. I really mourned on the show coming to an end.

[@ralf716]

Yes. Janeway really nailed the captain thing.

[@geckolegacy2306]

*Star Trek Discovery* Lowers Human IQ by tenfold Ia m not joking !

[@the_gratefulgamer]

*The Orvil is the REAL STAR TREK. The guy who made Family Guy made a BETTER Star Trek Series*

[@judaegekikamen4223]

Ironically

[@abeceedy7461]

So I didn't really like all of season 1. Season 2 began to build up right up to the halfway point, then the show became awesome. Season 3 - awesome! But by the time you get to Season 4, it's apparent that the desire to float agendas became more important than the writing or the show itself. They ruined a great show. For the record, I'm okay with the gay couple, the female gay engineer and women about 50% of the crew. All of those are realistic in the future, considering more women are born than men and women are equally capable when raw strength isn't required. They lost the show when they introduced a Trill couple with a tall masculine girl dating a short effeminate boy. They also blew it with Michael's mother, who btw is a very good actress. But Michael's mother needed to be equally nurturing as she is tough. This actress is vastly miscast and would have been better cast as the "tough" aunt, but then I understood now why they wanted her leading the episode of an all female crew fighting ninjas in space, with all female leaders and all female ninjas. It seems everything of importance has to be female. Anything secondary can be male. This seems like the thoughts of a woman from the 70's or 80's, pissed from back then that men were in most of the important roles, and now that she has power in Hollywood, she wants her revenge. And just like Star Wars, people are using great institutions to forward their own agendas. And they don't mind ruining shows and storyline beloved by the people. And that's the worst part. Seasons 1 - 3 have excellent writing. By season 4, I'm not sure if it's agenda people forcing their agendas on great writers, or if a different froup of sub par writers with agendas took over from the better group. Either way, it's the agendas ruining the show.

[@jacobklein8156]

It's amazing Starfleet hasn't been defeated with diversity hires in command.

[@eliotchangofficial]

Lololol. True

[@nounnoun]

I guess you didn't enjoy Star Trek Deep Space 9, then...

[@meerkat1954]

That's why the massacre at Wolf 359 happened. Notice how the borg were all white? They chewed up the incompetent diversity hires in Star Fleet for breakfast.

[@trekkiejunk]

As for "all previous Trek series had the cast as equal players." Is this a joke? That has never been the case. EVER. The biggest disparity is TOS. "Hailing frequencies open." Two actors on two different series almost quit the show because of it. One did (Tasha), and the other only stayed because she was talked out of it by Martin Luther King. The captain has always been the lead, and the lower the rank, the less screen time...in EVERY previous Trek show.

[@Jashtvorak]

_"The captain has always been the lead, and the lower the rank, the less screen time...in EVERY previous Trek show."_ That is true only for TOS which stands appart...because of the time it was made. Just the next series, TNG, took different approach, gone was the cowboy diplomacy where captain was leading every away mission, punching first alien he met in the face. Leading away mission was first officer's job now. Cast memebers had their leading episodes.

[@da8675]

I'm just glad the person saying this is not a white male or he would just be attacked for that.

[@amdeus]

Good star trek shows in the last ten years: Star trek continues Orville

[@kundrew1990]

An embarrassing representation of star trek

[@bugmanmd1576]

Glad you had the courage to say what needed to be said. I lasted through only the first two episodes of the first season before seeing what it was, being disgusted, and vowing never to watch again. The only male character they had on the bridge was an alien who was afraid of his own shadow. I cannot understand how any true Star Trek fan could have sat through this. This isn't star trek. It's trash. And certainly not something I can share with my young children. You should not have backed off in the last 10 seconds of your video... that kind of destroyed your message.

[@Chronz]

Agreed, the alternative isn't zero diversity vs wokeness. Its simply equality for all that we ask for. The American way of life is under attack by the radical left(equity vs equality. History vs crt) they run the culture wars and our art is failing as a result. It's crazy to see how tng handled the immigration debate with respect to both sides vs how picard literally compares ice agents to nazis. It's as of they think us minorities don't care about border security and it's just Maga whites with kkk hoods. Truly insulting and ignorant

[@carlcordova2332]

"WOKE TEMPLATE CHARACTERS"

[@RobKMusic]

If you don't watch season 3, you won't REALLY understand what woke truly is.

[@Harpoon2theRescue]

If you don't watch the series at all you'll be a much wiser person.

[@debraboyer1972]

What’s worse is they have decided to do a season 4! So I tried to find a place where I could go and complain and so I went to Facebook. On the Discovery Facebook sight you aren’t allowed to say ANYTHING negative about Star Trek discovery or the show! So I tried to find somewhere to complain and I ended up writing CBS in Australia. That’s where CBS business is located. I am so glad to have found this sight. I was so upset when Stacey Abrams was written into the show as the ruler of the universe! I guess since she can’t win as governor of Georgia then Hollywood will make her ruler of the universe. 🤢

[@duanerichard]

I hate what they did to Captain Pike. They made him into the goofy husband. He supposed to be the original Captain Kirk.

[@emperorconstantine1.361]

Jet Reno... ...that’s a woman?? I thought that was a 68 year old methhead recovery dude. The part that utterly killed it for me was the deliberate making fun of Gene Roddenberry, by making him a janitor that scoops bodygoop with a shitty shovel and this “Jet” person says, “yeah, already forgot you, shut up.”

[@radioflyer68911]

They(the powers that be in the entertainment industry) must think that the Star Trek(as well as Dr Who,Star Wars,Ghostbusters,X-Men,Avengers,Terminator)audience is totally hungry for the utterly absurd just because they like science fiction. Obviously their learning curve is arrested.

[@josephnash2081]

Your criticisms of ST Disco are spot on. I have been watching Star Trek since boy hood. Part of the appeal of it was that it presented a future in which you wanted to live. The dark, misandrist, LGTBQIA+ future of ST Disco is as repulsive to me as the future depicted in Orwell's novel "1984" It is the first ST show that I could not bring myself to watch.

[@eliotchangofficial]

This comment is spot on!

[@mattdemo6387]

The gay Dude's love-scene is like a Woke SJW "Soap Opera" like the "Days of our lives"

[@dusenphenox]

The writers on Star Trek Discovery have made the mistake of confusing 'Woke' culture for 'Progressiveness' and ruined the show.

[@judaegekikamen4223]

Is there a difference? Seriously asking, it's hard to interpret since both words have become interchangeable in today's age.

[@emillyyelen5169]

@@judaegekikamen4223 because progressiveness is real "scientific" term and woke is just pop culture buzz word...

[@johnsmith-px3xj]

@@judaegekikamen4223 Progressive culture in the past was about freedom to live your life how you wanted. Whereas woke culture is authoritarian in its nature. It is about telling people how they should live. Anyone who disagrees with the woke world view is cancelled and attacked by the mob.

[@MadHatter-cj8bh]

I couldn't agree more with this analysis. I watched Season 1 and episode 1 of Season 2. This should have been called "Star Trek Discovery: The Michael Burnham Saga". If had talked to my superiors the way she does, I would have dishonorably discharged in seconds....regardless of my abilities. I will not watch another episode and it's a shame, because the special effects are awesome.

[@kane5000]

"star trek" should never have been attached to this dumpster fire, otherwise you are correct

[@motherfreya2840]

Michelle Yeoh was the best part.

[@MegaParrotMan]

The biggest crime is that money keeps getting thrown at this trash. Think of all the great series that were cancelled before their time but someone, or a group of someone’s with an agenda of forcing all this on children to further pull our society through the sewers. Who cares that they are a tiny minority let’s make every single tv character that way until people think that they are the abnormal ones.

[@notgonnapay]

You know how societal problems should be brought up in Star Trek? Bones being prejudice of Spock - he’s not a horrible person and his opinion of Spock doesn’t define him. He just has this one character trait that isn’t beaten over your head and is only brought up as comic relief to point out the absurdity of the stuff that comes out of his mouth when we know different.

[@johnmeneses7039]

There was more to learn and the lessons were well presented. It was fun to watch. It did not make you feel that you were being forced to accept a totally one sided view of the World. I don't care if a person is woke or not, but don't step on my toes trying to force your views down on me, because then I will not be quiet, and I have very big feet to step back onto your toes.

[@invertedpolarity6890]

The best thing I can say about STD is that it is not as bad as ST Picard.

[@judaegekikamen4223]

They're both equally bad, haha

[@thesangshow]

This was an insightful review! I think Hollywood is just like a really bad 16-year old babysitter pandering to a crying baby with immediate/temporary solutions. Perhaps that’s why we see a lot of drastic changes like this.

[@eliotchangofficial]

Yep. And you know what? All this pandering is going to age badly.

[@blueeyeswhitedragon9839]

Everything you said in your video is THE ABSOLUTE TRUTH. The show STD will go down as the worst Star Trek TV series ever. It might be the series that broke the camel's back and ended Star Trek. It's that bad. (I agree that the visuals & CGI is fantastic, all the rest is crap.)

[@eliotchangofficial]

True. This series broke my trekkie heart

[@Blinkysnipps]

Netflix is terrible for this. It's gotten to the point where I keep track of all the wokeness in the show. Lead characters should be female and of a darker skin colour and not conform to stereotypes. Many should be gay or bi-sexual. Those that are gay need to not conform to stereotypes and be strong, independent characters. A person with a disability should be given a role where their ability is crucial. All in all, the people being cast for parts should be offended that they're chosen for reasons they are.

[@nuttydishwasher5377]

You forget that straight white men can only be in positions of total submission to their female counterparts.

[@jamesb8193]

What's wrong with that? White male and female leads have been around forever and remain dominant in relationships on TV and movies in power positions. I have a problem when there's no balance, but there's not enough black male leads unless they're stereotyped to death. I've seen more black female leads that are still answering to white males bosses or in a mixed relationship (hardly ever with a black male) get more screen time. It's like reminding us, "Hey you have a great job and we'll recognize you but white is right and we still have the power. As far as people with disabilities, how do you define that? That's arrogant. The only thing you were correct about was your last statement. Your second statement is offensive Brutha...

[@JelloFluoride]

@@jamesb8193 your poor taste in media is showing

[@Zefram0911]

You're going to hate Season 3 then... because I do too. My heart hurts.

[@eliotchangofficial]

Ha. Not even going to watch it

[@Zefram0911]

@@eliotchangofficial the woke stuff went to the next level. there's non binary people that demand pronouns.

[@alternative915]

@@Zefram0911 Also there been a more and more female character doing a lot of their role for the plot - New character - non-binary lady - the representative of the united earth DF - woman - Starfleet HQ chief of Security officer - woman - Vulcan (i dont care what discovery calling the new name) new president - emotional vulcan woman - the antagonist - female orion - the Owo lady, blue eye and airiam replacement is suddenly relevant this season meanwhile guys were - dying look guy with alien helmet on titan - -Finn- Booker - Soy andorian - Emo and soy Orion in charge of one of the slave planet - starfleet admiral vance that is refreshing because he could see through burnham bs, but sadly his role couldnt stop milky burnham for driving the plot and always afraid the writers is going to make him a villian because he sound and feel like one... - old man who very interested with the terran empire (the only one so far that isnt woke)

[@Henry_992.]

@@alternative915 even the Klingon chancellor and head of the emerald chain are females.

[@KLamki1]

@@Henry_992. The force is female? Oh sorry wrong universe. Yeah, this is what happens when you fire all the male writers and fill it with a all feminist writing room that have unnatural hatred of all men.

[@UnclePengy]

I've tuned out this show, and I've tuned out Picard. (I've also tuned out Doctor Who, and I couldn't watch The Orville after the first season...which is sad, because I really like that show and they pulled off the exploration of the human condition really well and evenly in the first season.) People are telling me that they've learned their lesson in Strange New Worlds and I should give that show a chance, but you know what they say, "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice... can't get fooled again." The biggest problem is the aggressive "in your face"-ness about it. It's like it's intentionally meant to offend the sensibilities of anyone who isn't as progressively woke as they are, as much as possible. The Expanse (and the aforementioned first season of The Orville, and for that matter Voyager, Deep Space Nine, Next Generation, et. al.) were good examples of how you can explore or have in your show different, "progressive" characters but not have whatever woke attribute they possess be the only reason they're in the damn show, and not be shoving their alternative lifestyle down your throat every chance they got. The hardest part about all of this is that you cannot even bring this topic up in a conversation (at least not in California) without somebody starting to shout at you, label you with all sorts of ad hominem attacks and calling you hateful... in the most hateful manner (ironic, innit?). Trek always has been and should still be a vehicle that promotes discussion, not used as a vehicle to promote division and exclusion.

[@MorbidlyObeseChell]

They are using miniorities as a shield from criticism. If anything this show is a disservice to the communities it is trying to represent because it casts good actors in to bad roles.

[@christophegilbertson4740]

For all of you throwing around that right-wing trope called "woke," can you actually tell the rest of us what you really mean to say? Is it "I hate watching an intelligent Black female as the protagonist?" Or is it "why do they have to put somebody's gayness in my freakin' face?" Or "there's the gender pronouns that I'm uncomfortable with..." Quibble all you will with canon, the writing, the visuals, etc, but just come right the f out and say what you don't like instead of hiding behind the cowardice of "it's too woke," ffs

[@philocleandes9302]

"If Starfleet was about equal opportunity, it should be 50/50." This is false. Men traditionally dominate in command leadership for good reason. There is no a priori reason that equal opportunity delivers 50/50 outcomes. In some areas women dominate and some areas men dominate. Men tend to dominate in STEM fields by their inclinations and women in medicine and 'people related' fields like teaching. Feminism has damaged the very notion of equality so that everything that isn't 50/50 or better in women (or minorities) favor is considered sexism or racism.

[@digiver]

I totally agree with pretty much everything you said. This show could have revived the Star Trek shows, but due to all the things you mentioned, it just keep losing. Fans wanted captain Pike back, but no.... He is too much of the general population probably....

[@eliotchangofficial]

I don't know how you mess up such a worshipped franchise

[@happychappy492]

@@eliotchangofficial by doing what they have done...

[@ProtectMyLiberty]

They seem to think diversity and lens flairs compensate for bad writing. Don't think I've ever watched a show where I am accutely aware of how many times I roll my eyes :).

[@philocleandes9302]

The alternative isn't 'no diversity at all'. The alternative is to cast on talent instead of skin color or sex, and to write stories based on traditional concepts of great writing and not woke agendas.

[@UnclePengy]

...... NAAAAAH! /Steve Martin gag

[@jt4369]

Asian American here. Didn’t like Michelle Yeoh before. Never understood the appeal of her. Now, with her new work additions to her CV, I really don’t like her. She’s preachy and superior. To be fair, other MALE Trek characters have been preachy too. But somehow, the writers were able to portray a character who suffered and who was principled. Yeoh’s character is just insufferably in your face about her “I’m better than you-ness.”

[@jarynn8156]

I mean, she is a Terran. I'd say that is exactly how she should be portraying such a character.

[@jt4369]

@@jarynn8156 Okay, I’ll give you that. I need to watch more of this in order to make a better judgment. So far, Saru is my favorite character. Maybe I’ll edit this in time to update my impressions.

[@keywitness4955]

You nailed it. I couldn't make it past Season 1

[@johnmeneses7039]

Hahaha, my gosh you must have suffered, I didn't make it past the first 15 minutes of Season 1 Episode 1.

[@keywitness4955]

@@johnmeneses7039 haha. I figure most pilots are clumsy and was willing to give it a chance . I did stop just bc she disobey the captain orders. Like seriously?

[@dandeliondown7920]

Michael Burnham stood before a Starfleet board of court-martial and pleaded guilty to mutiny, to assaulting a fellow officer (who for at least seven years had been a mentor and mother figure for Burnham), and to precipitating a war between the Federation and the Klingon Empire (a war which, according to Memory Alpha, killed thousands). I don't want to spoil Season 3 for you, but her crime spree continues throughout Season 3. She is lawless, undisciplined, selfish, and lethal (on a large scale) to her fellow persons.

[@Meg_Lovegood]

Remember Dark Angel, Buffy, Xena, Alias, Charmed, & Murder She Wrote. I mean, what happened?

[@judaegekikamen4223]

The wokeness was a cancer that decided to be aggressive and take over. Haha

[@devmag52]

@@judaegekikamen4223 I wish that was just a joke. You notice how Babylon Bee is more prophetic than ironically amusing these days? Kind of like that

[@Hexterguard99]

The more I see ST:DIS the more I end up loving The Orville.

[@TheRyFiNetWork]

Well Said. This show just panders and insults and does not focus on the ACTUAL Star Trek but rather focused on its own agenda. FFS CBS.

[@kradxx1926]

Wow i really wanted to see that show. So much i haven’t wanted any knowledge of. For some reason i just clicked on this, and last 10 sec I realized who was talking. 🤦🏼‍♂️ god i hope it doesn’t suck that bad.

[@eliotchangofficial]

It does. So sad. Just rewatch TNG or the last few seasons of DS9

[@jamesnelson984]

It really is exactly the way he described it. I watched both seasons in the hopes of it getting over the wokeness but as I slowly ran out of episodes I realized it would never stop being woke.

[@finenebula]

OH NO!!!!! Season 3 is INFINITELY worse than season 1 and 2. Would love to hear your thoughts on that. hahahaha

[@Humble_Grumble]

Wait till you get to season 3 and they start playing with pronouns...

[@eliotchangofficial]

OMG. I can't deal. LOL

[@redolentofmark]

As someone who has they/them pronouns, I can say that I had a good laugh at that scene

[@GeertPypers]

@@eliotchangofficial You mean SHE can't deal

[@George-hj4xg]

First 2 seasons were mostly bad but somewhat watchable. This season is so bad I'm not sure how they managed to create it without laughing hysterically. But they didn't and that is the reason it's such a bad show. The clowns in charge, which are only interested in telling their so-called story , while showing everyone what to say and how to act. Hollyweird has gone off the rails completely and this show is nothing. Since they are only interested in promoting wahmen I wonder if the wahmen are watching. I doubt they are so that leaves only a few mangina's and feminist. But this year is just terrible, boring, stupid and no real science fiction. Just stand around talking about junk while showing everyone how much better wahmen are than men.

[@eliotchangofficial]

Dang. So glad I didn't watch season 3

[@steve-from-toronto]

I’ve started hate-watching it, I must admit. Such a shame too, because the Toronto production team does an amazing job. It’s sensational in its look and production value. And then the characters start to speak and you cringe or laugh.

[@adammclaughlin845]

Can we have a show made in the modern era that's aimed at white males please?

[@genedevine]

Oh yes! everything said here is absolutely true, nothing is sexist . The best thing about Star Trek Discovery is the visuals. They aare over compensating with diversity to the point that everything else which matters is sacrificed. It is so true how little depth the bridge officers have. They really should have narrowed the focus instead of trying to be all things to all people which you really can't do well with out writing better. You don't have to do it all at once. Too bad.

[@nightowl8363]

Star Trek never had a diversity problem. Star Trek TOS was about as diverse as it could be, and it felt so natural.. diidnt feel forced, everyone felt needed and used properly, it was awesome.

[@eliotchangofficial]

Perfectly put.

[@MagikGimp]

That still of the of the old shows at 6:00. You literally could not have done better on American TV in terms of diversity. They could NOT! The realisation made me laugh with despair at the mistreatment of the franchise by Discovery. TNG- three white guys, two black guys, two women. Black guy is blind. TOS- first interracial kiss on TV for crying out loud! It's world famous for it! Both ethnic minorities and mixed country origins on the bridge. DS9- Black guy in command. Women in prominent roles. VOY- A female captain! More ethnic minority representation. WHAT MORE DID THEY NEED???!

[@MagikGimp]

And the equally shitty Picard show. Don't forget that other travesty either.

[@przemusprzemus12345]

gay trek... what happened with this world .. first star wars completely ruined, than this... this is so sad :(

[@nyk2000m]

I just finish S1 in Netflix. 3 things I really had difficulties to cope with. Spoilers! 1. Michael Burnham. There's too many opinions about why she sucks, I am just gonna skip this. 2. Ash Tyler. I can't understand this logic defying character at all. How would a person who send to infiltrate Starfleet, whom was supposed to exert vengeance on Michael then ultimately "switch side" and even fall in love with MB???? The only parallel I can relate with = Ivana Humpalot, a character in Austin Power that was send to kill Austin Power then fall in love with Austin because he's too awesome???? And Ash was even worse than Ivana, at least Ivana didn't have the luxury of witnessing his friend / mentor / boss (T'Kuvma) killed by Michael. 3. The Last 2 episodes of S1. That ending of Klingon War was so stupid that I can't really take the show seriously anymore... Who's L'rell? How can she just took over as Councilor? Because she's holding the WMD provided by their nemesis and the whole High Council just "kowtow" to it? Well, they totally fuck up on Klingon any way. They changed the East Asian look in TNG-DS9 era to this current tribal form in Disco. In real world scenario, that would be some random woman took a remote and told the Sheikhs of Saudi Arabia that either you let me took over as national leader or I ll made all ur oil disappeared.

[@DankestTonk]

The plotwist is the Starfleet stands for Earth wokeness this time instead of exploration, honor...

[@chaz9808]

its like the show writers and actors are proud that it sucks they wear it like a badge of honor its weird

[@The1stGurehaundo]

Yep!! The lesbian engineer is one of the best characters in the show and yes, they´re wasting the good doctor...

[@amado4249]

By just seeing an ad for this, I knew it was woke. I didn't even waste my time.

[@kumsim7]

The show is really called “STD”?? Did no one in PR care to try a little bit to avoid that?

[@jameslehman1098]

OMG THANK YOU for speaking the truth! As an avid Trekkie, nothing is more sickening then alienating your fanbase and watching a capable series being completely flushed down the toilet from ultra-lib wokism! Thanks Ghostbusters 3 and new Star Wars 🤮🤮🤮

[@jamesb8193]

Stop your nonsense. Stop using the term Lib. You sound childish. There are conservative liberals. I'm a Liberal Conservative and I can't stand the show. Be careful because labeling makes you sound a bigot.

[@brucegoldberg9463]

Fair analysis accurate

[@youuuuuuuuuuutube]

And it's way worse than you think in season 3 and 4. Now even the computer has "emotions" and needs counseling. And there's an episode where there's some kind of blackhole going to absorb planets and they have little time to evacuate people, so they should just hurry right? But no, instead Michael is asking "how are you feeling, tell me about your feelings". I'm like Are you kidding me? It went from woke to SUPER-woke in season 3 and 4.

[@eliotchangofficial]

@@youuuuuuuuuuutube omg. Sounds awful lol

[@Dave-zj7ld]

They ruined every sci fi and superhero movie or show that comes out .

[@ZomgZomg007]

The current season has been a struggle to watch. i skipped 90% of each episode trying to find at least some main story arc moving forward, but all it does is focus on gender related topics. I do hope new world will not be impacted by this...otherwise it will be another woke story and i dont want that to happen to that show. New World has a great cast.

[@markheithaus]

It doesn't just push the envelope, or challenge ideas. It's a lecture. It is a preachy lecture and that's about it.

[@jamesb8193]

I watch it only after there's nothing else to watch. The social construct is simply not believable, and it's too obvious the show focuses on inclusiveness. It's not balanced and is unrealistic. The writing is horrible when it comes to continuity and focusing on what Star Trek is really all about.