Star Trek DS9: AR-558 Dominion Communications Arrary

[@sniperdude12a]

Tuco has had a rough 5 months by the look of things.

[@niceguy60]

@Clinton Pendleton Nah he had a rough training day because he had his S pushed in by the dominion and he hasn't took his Meds

[@JohnnyZenith]

In all these firefights you could wipe the floor with any of the them with weapons from the year 2020. No body armour, slow phasers, inferior in many ways to assault rifles (ammo notwithstanding), grenades, and much more.

[@LehySnek]

@@JohnnyZenith Well, a phaser like that could destroy a modern day tank in one shot! And since the "rounds" they shoot are lasers, the real kind, not star wars bullshit, you could take down a modern day jet since laser has the speed of light. But yes, in many situation an assault rifle would me much better in CQB. Hell, the Jem'Hadar could toss some willy pete in those cave systems.

[@mandalorethenew8646]

@@LehySnek they only use lasers for some fighters in star wars(and they do about as much as distruptors in star trek) but they use blasters(those that shoot molten plasma at you) cause is cheaper. PS. Our modern weapons are in star wars(use: kill jedi/sith or go truogh energy shields)

[@Ridgwaycer]

The Salamancas have some deep contacts in Starfleet? Man.

[@plainbagel9192]

When Quark said this is not the starfleet you know , you knew this episode was going to dark , dirty and out of the Roddenberry box

[@davidkelly4210]

"Take away their creature comforts and Humans will become as brutal and bloodthirsty as any Klingon."

[@otiscarter1356]

Quark is a pussy. He'd say that if the sonic showers did not have hot water.

[@Shadowkey392]

As far as Roddenberry was concerned, literally everything after The Motion Picture and the first season or two of TNG was "out of the Roddenberry box."

[@pioneer_1148]

I was a huge fan of roddenberry trek and I actually think it is a far more accurate depiction of the future than most people think, considering how completely cracking nuclear fusion and automation will solve many of the worlds problems: food, water, global warming, ect... However I thought trek was at by far its best in ds9, deep interesting characters, phenomenal writing and great exploration of the human condition such as this episode. (For anyone wanting to argue me on ds9 being the best trek show I freely admit that the first 2/3 seasons (with one or two exceptions) are crap)

[@ScorpiusZA.]

@@pioneer_1148 No argument from me at all. DS9 is the best by far, just nudging out TNG (but by only a hair). It brings a good sense of realism to the universe while still maintaining the optimism of Roddenberry Trek

[@peterjensen6844]

The Lt in Command in in this episode is the same actress that plays the "Scientist" running the experiments on the Voyager crew in Scientific Method

[@swishchee]

Upon hearing the tone of the word "communications" I immediately knew who it was. It's fun discovering these things.

[@KABZProductions]

She also is partially assimilated in first contact

[@Lightray110]

Yeah Star Trek loves to re-use actors.

[@_Tree]

She sure is 💯💯💯💯

[@markshaw7253]

Good catch..

[@saoirsevicteoiria2759]

Quark has his moments -- for someone at a remove from most of the various intra-galactic fights in his life, he has a genuine wariness of overly eager violence. His advice to Nog here may seem harsh towards the suffering, but it doesn't undermine the perspective he lends to Nog.

[@adamcee7251]

I think Quark was also concerned that the mostly human Starfleet soldiers might, because of the stress of continuous combat, exhibit xenophobia towards him & Nog - the Ferengi.

[@davidsiepel6774]

@@adamcee7251 when filthy xenos scum is trying to kill you, hating them is not an "over reaction"

[@talkaboutwacky]

Quark has a heart of gold, unfortunately not a heart of gold pressed latinum

[@saoirsevicteoiria2759]

@@talkaboutwacky Too true!

[@blackjac5000]

@@adamcee7251 There's a video by a guy on KZbin called "Monsieur Z" where he stated that liberalism is rooted in idealism while conservatism is rooted in survival: once the food starts running low and the danger becomes constant, people stop being nice.

[@juanmonge8]

This episode is an “homage” to the 1962 film “ Hell is for Hero’s”. Even the names from some of the characters have been lifted.

[@saoirsevicteoiria2759]

Thanks for adding this!

[@rkbkirin5975]

You cut the video at the best part, when Quark points out that you put humans into the right situation and they will start behaving in ways that would make Klingons take a step back.

[@user001zyx]

indeed - one of the most important quark monologues :: kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y3WVhHuEptCdmLs

[@jaywhite1850]

The actor playing the crewman trying to make a repair is Billy Mumy from Lost in Space (Will Robinson). Just watched a great interview on KZbin about his time on the show.

[@emaayan]

"Well, that ought to do it.."

[@TearYouApart360]

I loved his character in B5.

[@SantomPh]

when offered the role of the Star Trek officer Bill demanded that he not be cast as an alien as he had been the "boneheaded" Minbari Lennier on Babylon 5 for years.

[@andrewtaylor940]

Whoever wrote this one clearly read a lot about the US Marines in the Central Pacific during WW2. Particularly Peleliu and Iwo Jima.

[@Kagekatsu1]

IIRC, the director of this episode was a Vietnam vet.

[@nunya3163]

Gene Rodenburry himself was an army aviator during WWII, and flew 89 combat missions. In many ways, I think that this episode closely aligns with Guadalcanal campaign. The U.S. sent in the Marine to take it in August of 42, but lacked the naval power to securely hold the sea lanes around the island. For 6 months, it was back and forth fighting on the island, with the Marines nearly pushed off a couple of times, and numerous naval battles that both sides took turns losing. The battle of Salvo island is one example, as it was one of the worst defeats for the US Navy during the war.

[@andrewtaylor940]

@@nunya3163 Savo Island is the US Navy’s worst defeat in its history. Roddenberry’s own war history was a little more spotty. He was a bomber pilot who was not really very good at landings. Although credit to walking away from 2 crashes. Somebody was watching out for him.

[@nunya3163]

@@andrewtaylor940 In fairness, a lot of guys never managed even a single landing when flying those B-17s.

[@andrewtaylor940]

@@nunya3163 True, but both Rodenberry's Crashes weren't due to combat. To their Credit the Army Air Corp looked at the lemon and made lemonade. After walking away from his second crash they promoted him to Captain and made him an Air Crash Investigator. Because Experience has gotta count for something.

[@robertidonotsharemyfullnam496]

Never tell Tuco to take it easy !!

[@CaptainBardiel]

or Julio Sanchez.

[@bcn1gh7h4wk]

that lieutenant then goes on to push buttons onto the Voyager crew, in "Scientific Method"

[@purplefood1]

Starfleet's career ladders always were trecherous.

[@mr.adventure0142]

Annette Helde.

[@koshi6505]

"My symbiont's previous host was an engineer... 300 years ago."

[@STEJTHEGREATEST]

3:43 Scary thing was though, that the jem hadar were probably being cloned way faster than he was killing them. :(

[@SMAXZO]

I have to say...Starfleet really needs to get some sort of combat uniforms. The usual uniforms doesn't seem to be able to take a needle much less a phaser.

[@perinmolitor2312]

Some of them are wearing armor. It has been seen in various episodes. You can tell that Vargas is wearing some form of heavier type of material.

[@ThePilot3332]

@@Cenkolino body armor is for shrapnel, not bullets

[@simonwillis1529]

O’Brien tore his trousers I bet he got a full court marshal for that 🤣

[@yzdatabase4175]

No wonder Tuco went nuts.

[@RoyalFusilier]

In Sword of the Stars, there's a race of aquatic telepaths called the Liir who can directly feel suffering they inflict upon others, so they need incredible determination to fight. Members of their fleet are called Black Swimmers and do whatever they feel is necessary to defeat the enemy. The game's lore says that Black Swimmers aren't allowed back into regular Liir society, out of fear of what they've become. Or I guess I could have saved the time and just referenced TNG's The Hunted which explores very similar themes.

[@simonwillis1529]

Funny thing is these were starfleet but not trained fully in war and to be fighters they were explorers at best little defence

[@satguy]

WOW, one of the best thought-provoking episodes of the series.

[@tedski69]

This would have been an awesome DS9 movie!

[@Ephisus]

Lots of great guest stars in this one.

[@mr.adventure0142]

including Annette Helde.

[@markweston216]

Did lennier go in a chrysalis?

[@KingPoseidon02]

I love how Quark gives Nog a Picard speech of morality.

[@theman2017inc]

Raymond Cruz who went on to became Tuco in BREAKING BAD, he still has the same energy

[@MrCharles26]

90 days?! That sounds like a nice rotation, hell even 5 months sounds good too!

[@dirtbag_8132]

Considering their under constant attack, and they lost more than 2/3 or their crew, it isn't all that great!

[@QixTheDS]

Well imagine 90 days of constant stress and little sleep as well as slowly dwindling numbers. Now make it 5 months.

[@davidsiepel6774]

their unit has lost 2/3rds of it strength, its depleted, it should have been rotated out. At that rate just reinforcing it isnt an option, it needs pulled out and rebuild

[@mikeh7917]

Is that Tuco from Breaking Bad at 1:32?

[@SamuelPearlman]

HOLY SHIT THAT'S TUCO OMG WTF BBQ!!!

[@fjccommish]

Danger, Will Robinson!

[@teamidris]

@Suicide Booth I came here just to see Bill Mummy in DS9 :o)

[@professorzoom8277]

@@teamidris Exactly

[@wolfgangtiefbrunner8412]

All these "Breaking Bad" references, but where is the comment noting that Vargas had his SHIT PUSHED IN BIG TIME in the last five months?

[@punchkitten874]

Right after his quarter pounder with cheese...

[@xkm-thebasetecchannel3823]

When Nog lost his leg ...

[@scottjohnson9799]

Hey, what's Tuco doing there?!

[@illusiveman1613]

Scott Johnson selling ketracel white

[@Psiros]

@@illusiveman1613 Under-rated comment. LoL

[@swishchee]

Once he got his temper up I was like "tuco!"

[@stevenedwardmaylott6078]

At least we know how he went loco.

[@alessandroarcuri209]

@@illusiveman1613 ...probably Ketracel Blue ;-)

[@WendingWyrd]

I wish we could've seen those shell-shocked, jumpy veterans go to Risa. It would've been interesting to see the juxtaposition of a welcoming paradise and the shattering effects of war. I wonder how Risa would've handled it.

[@mjohnson5030]

3:14 Awesome. That is Will Robinson (Billy Mummy) from Lost In Space. SciFi-ception Level 10.

[@jeremywaltz]

He also played Lennier in Babylon 5.

[@trajan74]

Hard to believe he's almost 50 in this episode.

[@newjerseyyouth4853]

Who knew the Salamanca’s joined star fleet

[@Drakencrovax]

looks like one of the descendants of the Salamanca joined starfleet, cause varga is played by raymond cruz, who was Tuco Salamanca in breaking bad :)

[@lukcaluwaerts1689]

I LOVE SISKO / QUARCK / ODO / WEYOUN !!! GUL DUKAT !!! I love them all !!! DEEP SPACE NINE is da BEST !!! Sisko is so = HUMAN !!!!

[@JW-wr4ep]

you cut off the best part. keep their bellies full and holodecks working...

[@rodgerbane3825]

I think that hotheaded Ensen is none other than Tuco. I wasn't aware that being a meth head was allowed in Star Fleet.

[@STEJTHEGREATEST]

4:00 It's the kind of starfleet that wants to put warm bodies in bad places.

[@susanesquer1520]

A most excellent episode ! In a battle there is no honor , there is no glory , you get it in your head , that us vs them mentality . You say to yourself , Whose going home ,me or them ? you have to say ME ! You say to yourself , what is in my way to go home ? The answer is THEM ! You say to yourself What do I have to do to go home ? the answer is GO THROUGH THEM ! You ask yourself How do I do it ? The answer is anyway you can , by any means you can ! A real battle is nothing like what is shown in the movies or on TV or in those PS4 games ! Your only mind set is surviving to see the next sunrise etc, etc, (19 November 2018 1800 hours)

[@damenwhelan3236]

Glory is the battle!

[@john_dillermand]

Susan I believe you were born to be a Kilingon.

[@professorzoom8277]

Excellent.

[@retrochristmas7329]

Who told you to fire "I thought I saw Walter white"

[@ered203]

In every universe, Tuco Salamanca is a badass.

[@Phoenixesper1]

gonna make an observation here. If this relay was so important and decrypting it was critical to the federation winning the war.... why in the hell didn't starfleet send data here to decrypt the damn thing by now? Every single time data has encountered an alien language or technology he's been able to articulate it within minutes. and considering the enterprise D had been destroyed by this point and the E was still being built, data should have been on detached service. he's the most skilled decrypter in the federation! This... shouldn't have been a thing at all.

[@PrinceSilvermane]

Too risky for what Starfleet views as one of their most valuable officers? Imagine if the Dominion got ahold of him.

[@Phoenixesper1]

@@PrinceSilvermane The same star fleet that held a kangaroo court to decide on whether to rip him apart as an appliance to see what made him tic?

[@spaceemperorspar4791]

Also, the E was already deployed by the beginning of the Dominion War, whereas this takes place near its end

[@RoyalFusilier]

It is kind of wild that DS9 never once, to my knowledge, outlines what the Federation flagship and its most decorated Captain were doing during the largest war in history. I hear there's books that go into it and they were doing missions behind the lines or for special events. In other words, Sovereigns and their crews were largely too valuable to risk in grinding attritional warfare.

[@danielhausser8038]

Dark episode. I wonder, couldn't the Defiant have destroyed the Jem Hadar camp from orbit? 🤔

[@ThePoshboy1]

Whenever space to ground attacks in Star Trek (Breen/Borg/Dominion) occur it is usually to cause collateral damage. If the Defiant had fired on the general area of the camp then there is no telling the damage they might cause to the relay/federation camp. This also stopped being an option once the Defiant left orbit.

[@danielhausser8038]

@@ThePoshboy1 Good answer. Thanks. 🖖

[@austinboylan5476]

ThePoshBoy 1 Agreed. Could have damaged the atmosphere, cracked the mantle. Starship weapons fired on planets have been shown to do permanent damage to the entire planet.

[@radioactive9861]

Exactly, Daniel Hausser, but then they wouldn't have a tv show........ :)

[@Psiros]

I think they were also defending a critical communications relay they captured. Couldn't risk losing a high value target.

[@BX138]

Vargas aka Tuco Salamanca

[@albertoescamilla639]

First thing I taught was omfg that is Tuco Salamanca! vargas is Tuco Salamanca and I was right

[@kristopherjones734]

Bill Mumy

[@Sir_Gugharde_Wuglis]

And gene is rolling in his grave... from the realism.

[@danielharvison7510]

I can actually get behind that. Just because the Federation was more or less a utopia, doesn't mean the rest of the galaxy is. Reality means that rival civilizations WILL butt heads.

[@Sir_Gugharde_Wuglis]

@@danielharvison7510 it makes the utopian philosophy of starfleet/United humanity/federation seem shallow and empty. It’s all cultural and social but there seems less of a personal philosophy, among the humans at least, for personal discipline under great stress. I would think that would be interesting to see an enlightened humanity coming out of a personal conviction of discipline and self control in the face of adversity would be intriguing. But we get same humanity, just new levels of toys.

[@Phoenixesper1]

my god after 6 seasons sisko is still just as oblivious, self righteous and completely apathetic to the plight of people in misery and agony. His approach to everything is " There are no problems in the federation. If you have a problem, you caused it, it's your fault, and you need to get over it or else your likely a traitor to the federation and will suffer my vengeance." His entire command style and treatment of others not in his inner circle is "let them eat cake". Throw in the religious cultism and delusional megalomania and You begin to realize that sisko is starfleets most insidious villain ever conceived.

[@dirtbag_8132]

Who hurt you?!

[@The_Gallowglass]

BILL MUMY:D

[@Lizfan2]

I would have destroyed the damn hub myself. I never did see why it was important enough to die for.

[@damenwhelan3236]

Sisko tells you that. They can monitor movements of the enemy in the quadrant.

[@Lizfan2]

Oh yeah I forgot. Still, I'm sure they could have used something else to monitor the enemy.@@damenwhelan3236

[@bobpage6597]

Its the information contained within the comms relay that was important. Knowledge is power.

[@daydodog]

And that's why you aren't Starfleet material

[@Lizfan2]

@@daydodog Well seeing as Starfleet is fictional I guess I'm not lol

[@z8ph0d]

90 days is 3 months. They've been stuck there for 5 months. It's not that much longer. Now granted, I've never been a war, but still....

[@randylitchfield8740]

3 months damn starfleet marines are soft

[@friendcomputer2293]

Speaking from experience, sixty more days than normal in a combat zone is a whole heck of a long time. Especially for soldiers on the front line.

[@loganv0410]

No "but still" Ya shoulda looked at the "granted, I've never" part and deleted the comment!

[@AnhTrieu90]

Try imagine holding off waves after waves of Jem'Hardar while watching 2/3 out your unit get wiped out. Then, there's also the looming possibility of getting blown to pieces by one of those subspace mines any minute of any day. So, yeah, 150 days isn't that long, is it?

[@blastermasterguy]

Exactly. You've never been in a WAR. War is HELL. It's the absolute worst situation for a human to be in. Seeing people you've come to known and befriend die, be disfigured, and worse left and right. Dealing with no toilets, showers, disease, infection, injuries, death, and exposure to the elements without any shelter or protection. War is HELL.

[@thomashernandez1004]

This is why I never liked DS9 as Star Trek, especially with it being post-TNG. It explores fascinating ideas, but it seems really stupid to me that technology and culture would regress so much for the Federation. If DS9 actually happened in the same reality as TNG the war against the dominion would have been won in a week thanks to the almost daily federation technological breakthroughs or it would have been lost once the war actually started due to no federation citizens ever having the stomach for war (this isn't a bad thing). A post TNG war would definitely not be fought with living soldiers... This series would have been much better if it was set pre-OS or post-Enterprise...

[@dirtbag_8132]

This isn't "post" TNG! The shows ran concurrently for 2 yrs, not including the movies! What "technological advances" would they have made to end the war within weeks, when they weren't even prepared for one Borg "Cube"?! Not to mention they were a "peacetime" government that forgot one of the most basic Earth adage, "hope for peace, prepare for war"!

[@professorzoom8277]

They werent supposed to be a military organization, they where just explorers/diplomats and their tech was only to maintain that status, thats why they never fabricated battle androids with Data's face cuz this isnt Star Wars. Its really easy to understand.

[@Castlecoke]

90 days? I done 14 months. Take ur pity party to someone who cares.😡

[@dirtbag_8132]

Did you lose 2/3 of your unit in the process?

[@brenster21]

14 months where you were under attack by an enemy that can turn invisible, while your base is booby trapped with mines that phase in and out of reality so they will randomly detonate on you?

[@ahsenkhan5386]

what makes me laugh is the federation uniform in battle No armour or anything Absolutly no clue from the writers

[@GeorgeSmith-p2u]

My money is on weapon, technology bypassed armor technology. Just like the world wars were there wasn’t a lot of armor because it wouldn’t be enough to stop a bullet. Although I do agree, they should at least be wearing something, even if it only protects again shrapnel.

[@TheManChise]

Bad acting all over the place..