STAR TREK FAN WATCHES *FORBIDDEN PLANET* (1956) FOR THE FIRST TIME!

[@RangerDave1959]

These are the original effects. To remaster this movie would be a crime against humanity, and I pray God no one tries to do a remake. This is a timeless masterwork.

[@WillTalksMovies]

I agree, they hold up so incredibly well there is no need

[@carycomic1954]

The deceleration force field booths actually inspired the inertia dampeners so often mentioned in all the STAR TREK series.

[@redraven4177]

First movie I ever saw at 5 years old. Was shopping with my mother. I saw the poster outside the theater. Bagged my mother to let me see it.when we got home at the dinner table, I couldn't stop talking about it. My sister (age 13) was so impressed that she begged my dad to take her and I back to the theater to watch it. So the first movie I ever saw, I got to see it twice on the same day. Been hooked on SciFi ever since.

[@WillTalksMovies]

That’s such a lovely story must have been insane at the time

[@Z1gguratVert1go]

I was nearly 20 when I saw it and I was really impressed by it too. I even ripped off the plot for a Star Wars tabletop game I was running for my friends at the time. This would have been the mid 90's.

[@dh2032]

that write up that text description out back of the DVD, Blu-ray case?

[@Bercyable]

Whenever I watch this film, ( or any film like the original "war of the worlds") I love to put myself in a mindset of a child seeing it in a movie house for the first time. I love your story about how you experienced this film!

[@nigelwitgunn3406]

It's great to see Leslie Neilson in one of his dramatic roles he was so good at, then he did Airplane and a comedic star was born.

[@scgreek1114]

"Everyone needs a Robbie." I agree, but built to look like Ann Francis. 😁

[@WillTalksMovies]

Definitely not saying no to that

[@RossM3838]

@@scgreek1114 oh so true. She was this beautiful all through her long life.

[@LesterManley-s9n]

Forbidden Planet ushered in 'true' sci-fi. This I believe is the first movie to describe Faster Than Light travel using a 'Hyperdrive'.

[@alanfoster6589]

And the first to take humans outside our solar system.

[@vincentsaia6545]

Based loosely on Shakespeare's THE TEMPEST and Gene Roddenberry cited this movie as an inspiration for STAR TREK

[@gerardcote8391]

Yes he literally took the relationship between the captain the doctor and the science officer directly from this film as the basis for the shows.

[@charlesyoung7436]

Did you get the time reference @1:05? Where have we heard or seen number 1701 before?

[@bwilliams463]

'Forbidden Planet' is an effing MASTERPIECE. The concept and story are great, the colors are gorgeous, and the fx are all but seamless. The footprint scene is my favorite image. Morbius and his WIFE were the only survivors. Their daughter was conceived and born on the Planet, but the wife and mother passed away some time before our heroes arrived.

[@otaku-sempai2197]

The ship did not have teleporters. Those odd chambers apparently protected the crew when the ship came out of warp/hyperspace. The Robot in Lost in Space was designed by the same person who designed Robby. Robby even appeared in one or two episodes of the show.

[@Haselius00]

Robby (and the Lost in Space Robot) was designed by Robert Kinoshita.

[@charlesyoung7436]

Apparently the transporter-like "deecee" stations were required to safely drop below lightspeed. The name might come from "DeCeleration" or, perhaps, "De" (under or less than) "C" (the speed of light in Einstein's iconic equation).

[@KevinR1138]

@@charlesyoung7436 DC according to the 50’s novelization stands for De-Celeration.

[@galandirofrivendell4740]

This movie is notable in that it was the first to utilize a completely electronic score.

[@andyastrand]

But the creators weren't unionised so they weren't allowed to call it a score or a soundtrack or music.

[@stephenkoehler4051]

Forbidden Planet was the first movie that Conventional Hollywood put a big budget and pulled out the stops for visual effects and sets. This was considered high quality for the time. Its almost $2 million budget was unprecedented for the time. The plot was copied from Shakespeare's "The Tempest." The Movie was nominated for the SFX Oscar on the 29th Academy Oscars but lost to "The Ten Commandments". This was Leslie Neilson's (Commander Adams) first movie in Hollywood, and he was usually cast in his later films as an authority figure in dramatic roles such as the Captain in Irwin Allen's "The Poseidon Adventure" (1972). However, that changed with Nielson being cast in "Airplane!" (1980) as he had always desired a comedic career and was liberated by his role in Airplane to do so. Warren Stevens (Doctor Ostro) was also a figure of similar temperament in casting among them one of the later Star Trek TOS episodes. Richard Anderson (Quinn) would go on to other roles including Oscar Goldman in the American ABC television series "The Six Million Dollar Man" helmed by Harve Bennett. (Harve Bennett later went on to produce some of the Star Trek Original Series Motion Pictures Two, Three and Four as well as appear as an admiral the 5th TOS film). This film is practically a six degrees of Separation for Star Trek. Anne Francis (Altara) would go onto a career in both movies and Televison most notably "Honey West" in the 1960's. She has an extensive career of roles in both movies and television. Walter Pidgeon (Dr Morbeus) would go on to star as Admiral Nelson in the motion picture Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea which served as a pilot for the 1960's television series of the same name produced by Irwin Allen. Pidgeon was an almost A-Lister by the Hollywood standards of the time, but plagued by alcoholism according so some sources. Like Neilson, Pidgeon was a Canadian who made it in Hollywood in the golden age of MGM and the studio system. MGM would keep the sets and costumes which made frequent reappearances on such television series as The Twilight Zone. Robby the Robot became a star in his own right with the costume making frequent appearances in both TV and motion picture projects in the 1960's even up to the 1980's The costume was modified for some appearances with various parts either modified or deleted. Episodes of The Twilight Zone and The Outer Limits in the 1960's as well as an appearance battling the Robot of Lost in Space. His appearance in Gremlins in 1984 included some iconic lines from Forbidden Planet. As far as Star Trek was concerned Forbidden Planet was one of the movies Roddenberry cited as an inspiration for the show. The TV Show Babylon 5 would feature some aspects of "The Great Machine" as the enigmatic machine on Epsilon III which the Babylon 5 Station orbited. (J. Michael Straczynski, producer of Babylon 5 was among the various people attached to various remake attempts over the years. WB has the rights as of last report with no remake contemplated at last check). References from Forbidden Planet can be found throughout gerne literature and movies as well. The rescue ship in the Firefly sequel movie "Serenity" is named C57D as an example. It is an iconic film which holds the hearts of whoever watches it.

[@dolphinsrr]

Don't forget George wallace who was the original rocket man from the serial!

[@Steampunk-Cyclist]

Great notes! So few people get the subtle reference C57D in Serenity!!!

[@lesguiblin4463]

Yeah I liked it too. I see FP as episode 0 of Star Trek.

[@vincentsaia6545]

These are the original special effects.

[@WillTalksMovies]

It’s crazy because how incredible they are and how well they hold up

[@Scimarad]

@@WillTalksMovies Unfortunately nothing ages as badly as CGI.

[@STho205]

MGM producers did the best work in high tech artistic visuals. This, 2001, Stargate

[@randyshoquist7726]

The idea of a highly advanced but long dead civilization leaving behind a vast, enormously powerful underground power station on a dead planet reappeared in Babylon 5 in the 1990s IIRC.

[@StuartistStudio1964]

Yes, The Great Machine beneath Epsilon III.

[@ncblee]

A deliberate reference and tribute.

[@wilhelm-z4t]

An utterly fantastic film, and a tragedy, really. Loved it ever since I first saw it. What a novel and interesting story. So well done, too. A timeless film, and visually stunning. I just love the sets, especially the Doctor's house, the Krell lab and Robby, of course. Robby cost over a million dollars to build in today's money. When I was a kid, I wanted to be Dr. Morbius! The Krell machine is a vast 8,000-cubic-mile (33,000 km3) underground machine, which after 200,000 years is still functioning. What you're seeing is what theatregoers saw in the 1950s. "Forbidden Planet" has had a profound influence on so many things it's difficult to recount them all. For example, you mentioned "Fallout." "Fallout: New Vegas's" DLC Old World Blues uses multiple references, including Doctor Mobius as a reference to Morbius, the protectrons clearly being modeled after Robby the Robot, and The Forbidden Dome being based on the film's title. Elements of the "Doctor Who" serial "Planet of Evil" were consciously based on "Forbidden Planet." The list goes on. This quote from "The Tempest" reminds me of language used in the film. It also makes me think of the Krell and Dr. Morbius: Our revels now are ended. These our actors, As I foretold you, were all spirits and Are melted into air, into thin air: And, like the baseless fabric of this vision, The cloud-capp'd towers, the gorgeous palaces, The solemn temples, the great globe itself, Yea, all which it inherit, shall dissolve And, like this insubstantial pageant faded, Leave not a rack behind. We are such stuff As dreams are made on, and our little life Is rounded with a sleep.

[@michaelhall2709]

Speaking of “novel story,” there was actually a pretty decent novelization tie-in of FORBIDDEN PLANET published, which eliminates or downplays some of the silliness and goes into some interesting detail about the characters and the culture of Earth, as well as the nature of Altaira’s animal “friends.”

[@wilhelm-z4t]

@@michaelhall2709 It seems like I remember reading that in the novelization, Altaira disappeared when the planet exploded since she was a creation of the machine. Ja, all the animals internal organs were not naturally arranged, either. It would be an interesting read, I think.

[@michaelhall2709]

@@wilhelm-z4t No, in the novelization Altaira and Adams are married on the flight back to Earth, which was a scene that was actually filmed but got cut. You are mostly correct about her pets, though. A monkey accidentally gets run over by the ship’s motor vehicle, and when Ostrow performs an autopsy they find only spongy tissue where its brain and internal organs should be.

[@socalpaul487]

"Lost in Space" had a saucer shaped spaceship, they used stasis tubes for FTL travel, Their Robot B9 had the same father, Robert Kinoshita, they had laser pistols & rifles. LiS used a similar central Astrogator.

[@majkus]

The 'Lost in Space' robot similarity was well spotted: Robert Kinoshita designed both.

[@CaliforniaSurfer-gc2xv]

yes. was cool to have Robbie on LIS

[@dolphinsrr]

Actually Robert kinoshita didn't design Robby. He took the other designs the other people made and took from different ones and put them together like a puzzle from the other concepts that were drawn. But he did design himself robot b9 from lost in space!

[@gaffo7836]

sticking with 50's era - I highly recommend: "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" "The Incredible Shrinking Man" "The Day the Earth Stood Still" "It Came From Outerspace" - there are many excellent 60's and 70's scifi movies, but I can only think of those above per the 1950s. Enjoy!

[@mikejankowski6321]

You forgot "The War of the Worlds". I second "The Day the Earth Stood Still"!

[@WillTalksMovies]

Noted thank you

[@erich.1355]

@@mikejankowski6321 This 100%

[@mikejankowski6321]

The ID monster reminds me of the invisible energy-eating monster in an episode of Johnny Quest. I think they took a lot of inspiration from this film. Robby was following Asimov's Three Laws of Robotics, so he was well-read. Fun review - one can only guess how Kirk would have handled it. But probably not much differently.

[@r1d1v]

That episode of Johnny Quest terrified me as a kid!😮

[@jasontoddman7265]

Dr. Norman's laboratory as shown at the beginning of that episode was also clearly designed after the Krell lab.

[@mikejankowski6321]

@@jasontoddman7265 Been so long I don’t remember that part. Not surprised.

[@jasontoddman7265]

@@mikejankowski6321 I'm such a fan of that show that I made comic-book style parodies of each of the episodes, and a direct sequel to that particular episode. I posted them at Deviantart as Jonnyquestfan1, but that was a long while ago and they no longer seem to be there unfortunately.

[@LesterManley-s9n]

@@mikejankowski6321 the Jonny Quest episode was called 'The Invisible Enemy' and is way up there in my top 5 JQ best episodes list.

[@luminiferous1960]

Less well known than Forbidden Planet, but of similar importance to the development of Star Trek, is the film Robinson Crusoe on Mars (1964). Roddenberry first wrote about the film in a memo to Oscar Katz on July 21, 1964, prior to the film's Los Angeles release: I would like to bring to your attention a science fiction film titled 'Robinson Crusoe on Mars'. As yet it is unreleased in this area, but it has been given excellent reviews in Variety and the Reporter and is regarded as a sleeper. Since it is unlike many of the pictures we have been seeing, dealing directly with planetary exploration and survival, it might be a good idea to screen this one if it is possible to obtain a print. Two weeks later, on August 3, 1964, Roddenberry had seen the film and indicated as such in a memo to Herb Solow: As mentioned, I saw the above motion picture and considered it extraordinarily good, better than anything we have run here. Suggest we get a print when possible so that Oscar can run it for himself. Also, would like appropriate department heads and personnel here to see it. Would much appreciate your office obtaining a complete credit list for this film. Many thanks.

[@teastrainer3604]

Robinson Crusoe on Mars is a surprisingly good movie. Van Cleave wrote the musical score, which is very much like the score he wrote for the great Gunsmoke episode called The Quest for Asa Janin. And Roddenberry clearly got many of his ideas for Star Trek from Forbidden Planet. The screenplay was by Cyril Hume, who also wrote some of the best Tarzan movies.

[@brandonflorida1092]

Yes, it's a good movie.

[@countgeekula9143]

Love this movie. Roddenberry stated it was part of his inspiration for Trek. Anne Francis as Altaira was gorgeous and really good in the role. These are all the original FX and sets. It's a gorgeous film. Altair is also in Star Trek and is a real star about 17 light years from Earth and pretty bright in the night sky. Dunno if any Krell hung out there tho.

[@jeffgaboury3157]

This film is one of the holy trinity of 50's Science Fiction Movies, with other two being War of the Worlds and The Day the Earth Stood Still. Forbidden Planet is a huge influence on modern Science Fiction in general and Star Trek in particular. The ship, it's mission, the captain and his close friendship with the doctor. It's also a huge influence on Star Wars, with the Krell Machine's massive, canyon like structures disappearing into apparent infinity above and below catwalks being an obvious influence on the Death Star, Cloud City and other similar places. Brilliant film making and as entertaining now, as ever. It was a staple for Science Fiction geeks like me, who watched it on TV in the 70's.

[@jasoncaldwell5627]

Now HERE'S a true classic! The scale of the underground city is always the highlight for me.

[@bluekitty3731]

Seeing the large scale of the planet technology really didn't hold up to our present realities , a few years after this movie came out , transistors were invented and were the beginning of the shrinking of technology.

[@jasoncaldwell5627]

@@bluekitty3731 I disagree completely. The Krell might have had nanotech for all we know- they chose to build downward and leave the surface pristine.

[@EricJames429]

They mention “1701" in the opening minutes of Forbidden Planet as the time (in 24-hr format) at which they expect to reach their destination. It’s not a coincidence; this movie was one of Roddenberry’s favorite movies, I believe.

[@ianstopher9111]

I had not noticed that before.

[@Scimarad]

When I first saw The Cage I was struck with how similar to Forbidden Planet it seemed. It's definitely a bridge between this and show I was familiar with.

[@brandonflorida1092]

The "beam" you refer to in your final summary wasn't "teleportation." It turned a person into gas for a few moments so that an immense deceleration wouldn't turn him into a grease stain. Otherwise they would have to have spent months, rather than minutes, decelerating. Since you ask, another astounding classic from the early 50s is "The Day the Earth Stood Still" (not the remake). It's a lot of fun.

[@richardb6260]

Trek created "inertial dampeners" to deal with rapid changes in velocity.

[@LesterManley-s9n]

I don't think they were converted to 'gas' but rather 'energy'. Kinda like is Star Trek but not sent anywhere, just 'suspended' in the beam until the ship slowed then re-intergrated.😊

[@richardb6260]

@@LesterManley-s9n I always thought it was some kind of stasis field.

[@brandonflorida1092]

@@LesterManley-s9n What in the movie do you base this belief on?

[@brandonflorida1092]

@@richardb6260 For all I know.

[@vincentsaia6545]

The planet Altair 6 is mentioned in the STAR TREK episode AMOK TIME.

[@GregPrice-ep2dk]

Also in Wrath of Khan.

[@vincentsaia6545]

@@GregPrice-ep2dk When?

[@EVAUnit4A]

@@GregPrice-ep2dk "Ceti Alpha 6".

[@GregPrice-ep2dk]

@@vincentsaia6545 Duing the Kobayashi Maru simulation. It's diestress signal identifies it as being "nineteen periods out of Altair VI..."

[@GregPrice-ep2dk]

@@EVAUnit4A Earlier in the film, during the Kobayashi Maru simulation.

[@grim1469]

I'm always amused that, when the Captain tests the wall at Dr Morbius' suggestion, that his blaster's pattern plays out 'Jingle Bells'

[@agresticumbra]

As far as I know, Earl Holliman, the cook, is the only actor still alive, and he recently had his 96th birthday!

[@rossdillon982]

I didn't know he was still alive. Good for him! He starred in a quirky western series called "Hotel de Paree" in about 1957.

[@michaelhall2709]

1:04 - 1701, never caught that before! To answer your question, the Altair system is mentioned in the TOS episode “Amok Time,” the one where Spock must return to Vulcan to get it on.

[@majkus]

You will see one of the cast members, Warren Stevens ("Doc" Ostrow) in a second-season Star Trek episode as a Kalvan name Rojan.

[@ArthurRColdiron]

History 102: Robbie the Robot was VERY expensive to create. Hence they shoved Robbie into any and all shows and movies they could to spread out the initial costs. And why you find him going on Lost in Space as well. 😉

[@bobschenkel7921]

"Forbidden Planet" was the first big budget SciFi movie produced in Hollywood. And, as some have noted below, it was the first movie to use electronic sounds as it's primary sound effects. Gene Roddenberry was very influence by this movie in his creation of Star Trek, and said so on many occasions. A very varied script, with quite a few newer psychological and physiological concepts thrown at the audience, and the cast. Professor Moebeus was played by Walter Pidgeon, a big time actor. And Anne Francis also had a leading role in the movie "Bad Day At Black Rock", which you may enjoy. Other famous actors in this movie, Leslie Nielson, Richard Anderson and alcoholic Cook Earl Holliman.

[@HalloranIllustrations]

I saw this as a kid on a Sunday afternoon movie where they would show sci-fi, Abbot and Costello, The Bowery Boys and other such classic movies. I didn't really get a grasp on the subject of the movie at the time, but I do remember that it kind or reminded me of Star Trek in tone. I did watch it again as an adult and got the subject right away. Totally love this movie as well as the Movie When the Earth Stood Still. The very movie that Captain Pike was watching at the beginning of the Strange New Worlds pilot. A classic he called it and I totally agree as it was also the subject of that said pilot. Awesome review.

[@jeffbassin630]

I loved your comments and reactions to this film. It has and always be one of my favorites!

[@WillTalksMovies]

Well thank you I appreciate your kind words and leaving a comment :)

[@skycladobserver9246]

Warren Stevens, the actor who played the ship's doctor, later appeared in the Star Trek 2nd season episode "By any Other Name" as Rojan, a military commander of an extra galactic race called the Kelvins.

[@scgreek1114]

Well, not quite "just before" Star Trek premiered. 1956 vs 1966. Great, seminal 50's Sci Fi. Leslie Nielson in his best role before switching to comedy.

[@STho205]

The "Astrogater" in this film was adapted and reused to navigate the Jupiter II in Lost In Space (same modeller)..and a simplified flat set version of it is between the helm and navigation chairs of TOS. As you are a young ST fan, you may wish to check some clips of Pike's quarters in SNW. You'll see a copy of this plexiglass and saucer astrogator in his collection of antiques.

[@MichaelJohnson-vi6eh]

Since Altair is a famous star and is very very close to ours 17 LY it is mentioned in several sci fi franchises.

[@bobmessier5215]

Some other great sci-fi films are War of the Worlds 1951, The Day the Earth Stood Still 1953, Journey to the Center of the Earth 1959, The Time Machine 1960, Fantastic Voyage 1966, Robinson Crusoe on Mars 1965 and The Incredible Shrinking Man 1958.

[@WillTalksMovies]

Thanks for these hopefully coming soon 🤞

[@RossM3838]

Jack Kelly would go on to play Bart Maverick in the comical western show Maverick. He was basically the same smooth lady’s man as he is here.

[@isaackellogg3493]

19:29 “How far does this place go?” The answer is yes.

[@athanatic]

This an amazing movie and updates "The Tempest" amazingly! Star Trek and Wars both owe this move a LOT! Remember,. this is 9 years be for Dune was published and it had HUGE influence on Star Wars! This warned about inadvertent effects of technology as Morbius' mind did without realizing! This was the "really big machine" trope origin! Several other key features of future SF started here!

[@papalaz4444244]

The robot was the most expensive prop made at the time. Around 10% of the entire budget of the film. It is often claimed to be the most expensive prop of all time, once you factor in inflation.

[@PhilipBirrell-nl5fo]

Plus it also sold at auction for US$5,375,000 a record

[@mildredpierce4506]

1:15 back then, Leslie Nielsen was only a dramatic actor. He didn’t start doing comedy until 1980 when he was in Airplane.

[@kevoblivion]

Welcome. It's the Godparent pilot episode of Trek. Gotta love those Krell machinery shots.

[@WillTalksMovies]

A truly incredible movie

[@jacquespoulemer]

Hi Will, Forbidden planet came out when I was 4 years old so a bit young to see it in the cinema. But in the 1960s when I was 8-18 it was show often on TV and I saw it several times and enjoyed it immensely. Did you notice the movie score was entirely electronic? The Actor you thought was Josh Brolin was actually Walter Pidgeon 1897-1984 who was an important actor at that time in films from 1926 - 1978 (Funny Girl, Advice and Consent, Mrs Miniver) The monster was designed and animated by Disney Studios. It was one of several High Budget SciFi flick the first being "The Day the Earth Stood Still" 1951. You're in for a lot of fun. All the best Jacques Mexico retired

[@jacquespoulemer]

For a fun Sci Fi Movie I recommend 1960 Little Shop of Horrors. Directed by Roger Corman...It's Hilarious!

[@WillTalksMovies]

The day the earth stood still will be coming soon

[@Oron-n5l]

As in "Star Trek", the captain here is played by a Canadian actor, famous later on as a comedic actor, Leslie Nielsen. The other male lead in this movie, Dr. Morbius, is also played by a Canadian, Walter Pidgeon of Montreal, my hometown. It is also the hometown of William Shatner (Captain Kirk) and Leonard Cohen, the legendary poet and singer ("Suzanne", "Hallelujah"). ---OronOfMontreal

[@josephmummerth]

Altair IV was referred to in the first draft script of Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, which established it as the place of origin of Altair water. The script also referred to it as "far away" from Earth. The Star Trek Encyclopedia, 3rd ed., p.

[@richardb6260]

Star Trek definitely took inspiration from Forbidden Planet. Roddenberry screened the film for his production staff when he was developing the original pilot for Star theTrek. There's a memo from that time where Roddenberry references the screening and asks for stills or possible frame enlargements that he could send to the design staff for inspiration, though he makes clear that he doesn't want them to copy anything directly. He also asks for a list of the effects and design artists who worked on Forbidden Planet. Roddenberry used to deny even seeing Forbidden Planet, but the memo removes all doubt. I've always said they could easily remake this as a Star Trek film. It has all the elements of a classic Trek episode. A starship from a Starfleet like organization checking up on a space colony. The discovery of an ancient alien civilization and their technology. How many Trek episodes have those elements. Even the main group of the captain, ship's doctor, and first officer matches the core characters of the original Trek. Though in this case the doctor is closer to Spock. All you'd really have to do is change the designs and plug in Trek characters.

[@LesterManley-s9n]

@@richardb6260 it was kinda done in Tos season 3. At least another take on The Temptest. No spoilers but you remember the episode 'Requiem for Methuselah'?

[@dennismason3740]

"...didn't expect the captain to do that..." - Lemme tell you about James Tibirius Kirk...

[@leapguy1235]

Something I've never noticed - even having seen this film dozens of times: Interesting (possibly a coincidence?) that the time that the engineer cites (at approximately the 1 minute mark) is "1701" - the registration number of the starship Enterprise...

[@MetalMalc]

The simple 'Standard Procedure' of a 360 degree visual sweep would have destroyed many episodes of science fiction series. You should try 'This Island Earth (1955)'

[@ryokinor6223]

Ann Francis dressing behind a tree... "Perfectly placed bush." I couldn't have said it better.

[@WillTalksMovies]

Yes 😂😂

[@luminiferous1960]

Forbidden Planet influenced Star Trek in several ways: 1. Both have humans travelling in interstellar space faster than light speed. 2. The visuals used to depict deceleration booths in Forbidden Planet were similar to the visuals used for transporter beams in Star Trek. 3. Forbidden Planet's C-57d saucer spaceship influenced the design of the Enterprise's saucer section. 4. In the first Star Trek pilot The Menagerie, the shape of the archways in the underground passages on Talos IV is similar to the Krell archways in Forbidden Planet, and both The Menagerie and Forbidden Planet have uniforms with shades of gray rather than the more colorful uniforms used in the aired episodes of TOS. 5. Both Star Trek and Forbidden Planet use 20th Century U.S. naval terminology aboard the spaceships. 6. The way Kirk and McCoy interact on Star Trek is very reminiscent of the relationship between Commander J.J. Adams (Leslie Nielsen) and Dr. Ostrow (Warren Stevens) in Forbidden Planet. 7. Both Star Trek and Forbidden Planet use particle beam weapons. In Forbidden Planet they use neutron beam weapons. In Star Trek, phasers are particle beam weapons. According to Memory Alpha: Most phasers were classified as particle weapons and fire nadion particle beams, (Star Trek: First Contact; TNG: "The Mind's Eye"; VOY: "Time and Again", "Demon") but some, like the Ferengi hand phaser, were classified as plasma weapons and fired forced plasma beams. (TNG: "Descent") 8. Forbidden Planet was an inspiration for Star Trek, especially for the pilot episode "The Cage". Gene Roddenberry, the creator of Star Trek, said he wanted Forbidden Planet to "stimulate our own thinking." A memo from the UCLA files, which is reprinted in David Alexander's Roddenberry biography, sheds some light on the movie's influence: To: Herb Solow From: Gene Roddenberry CC: [Pato] Guzman Date: August 10, 1964 Subject: FORBIDDEN PLANET You may recall we saw MGM’s 'FORBIDDEN PLANET' with Oscar Katz some weeks ago. I think it would be interesting for Pato Guzman to take another very hard look at the spaceship, its configurations, controls, instrumentations, etc. while we are still sketching and planning our own. Can you suggest the best way? Run the film again, or would it be ethical to get a print of the film and have our people make stills from some of the appropriate frames? This latter would be the most helpful. Please understand, we have no intention of copying either interior or exterior of that ship. But a detailed look at it again would do much to stimulate our own thinking. Also, would much appreciate it if you could provide me with a credit list on that picture, specifically the director, art director, special effects men, etc. Thank you.

[@tim2024-df5fu]

They also use a device like a tricorder and replicators and Stargate: SG-1 used the brain boosting device.

[@luminiferous1960]

@@tim2024-df5fu Thanks for pointing out those additional devices. Note that Star Trek TOS also uses a brain boosting device, but since it is in a later episode I won't give any more details to avoid spoilers.

[@kwebb121765]

For a long time I thought that Forbidden Planet could be an extended Star Trek (TOS) episode.

[@dolphinsrr]

​@@luminiferous1960Spock's brain episode.

[@MrCookieCat]

The laser turrets the crew uses against The Monster reminds me of the laser cannon the Enterprise crew uses to try to blast through the elevator on Talos IV. Both Star Trek and FORBIDDEN PLANET have some kind of wide-ranging space exploration agency.

[@The_Jupiter2_Mission]

I can see where the Lost In Space designers have taken elements from the interior ship design and incorporated it into The Jupiter 2 of the 60's.

[@urchy54]

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned in any other comments here, but I believe that the set used for the pool scenes and areas in front of The Residence is the same set used in the Wizard Of Oz. The first full colour scene with the Munchkins being introduced.

[@zaphodthenth]

This was the inspiration for the "planet with great ancient machine inside it" in the Babylon 5 TV series.

[@AXSLA3]

In Amok Time they were heading to Altair and they turn to Vulcan as they learn Spock could die in seven or eight days. (Well they make several turns as Chekov mentions in that episode). In a fanmade suplement for Star Trek FASA rpg table top, they include the krells in the list of species, although they never appear in any show of Star Trek, at least up to now.

[@Alan_CFA]

I’ve loved this movie for a long time (I’m 70). Any remastering would brighten or sharpen the picture, but the effects were in the movie. The scene where they are walking on a gangway between the ventilator shafts used a matte painting technique (like the Star Wars scene with Obi-Wan fighting Darth Vader). The invisible beast light up by the force field was animated. I’d love to see it remade with modern special effects and a better script. Still, an all-time favorite. I think I first saw in in 1962 when I was 8 years old.

[@Anson_AKB]

imho, a "modern remake" would probably have excellent special effects, but lack on the story, just like many movies today replace a story by a series of action scenes every few minutes. all these classic movies have "something special" and also still can be enjoyed for what they are and what they were at their time. any such remake would diminish 9 of 10 movies where they try (and fail). i only think of the original "Time Machine" from 1960 that i saw 50 or 60 years ago as "sunday matinee" in our local cinema and can still rewatch it today (it gets better every time), while i didn't like the remakes, can't remember its details, and only remember that i thought to not watch it again.

[@vincentsaia6545]

Anne Francis reported that Leslie Nielson and Walter Pigeon were constantly competing with each other on set telling dirty jokes.

[@curtrogers1715]

Excellent reaction, my friend. Yes, there are bits of Star Trek scene in here. Also correction things they improved on this when they did Star Trek for instance, in the beginning of the movie when you see them in the little tubes with the flashing light around, looks like a transporter it’s actually they’re in stasis spin. They were sleeping for The Journey to alter for they could travel only at lights speed worp drive goes faster than light to go to sleep. Those tubes wouldn’t age for long trip when you go faster than you don’t have to have your age normally noticed when they arrived there the time index was 1701 which is the number of the enterprise, also I’ll tell the system on Star Trek is where dielithium crystal minds are the power the wrop drive an alter for is the planet where Dr. McCoy on Star Trek Forest says I’ll tear water went to the bar but actually Marvel uses this movie more because the enemy race of aliens invaders in the avengers is the Crill then again to complain about it later because they change it to the scroll later by the way, the captain of the ship, Leslie Nielsen will lead be on for being coming actor starring in movies like the naked gun series and police squad and airplane movies so it’s real shock for people who seen those movies in this part, more serious thanks for the fun until next time

[@josefschiltz2192]

Almost the first film that I ever saw, the first being Fantastic Voyage with Raquel Welch. I must have seen both on holiday in the early 70s. I had read The Tempest and twigged very quickly that Altaira is Miranda and Morbius is Prospero. The ID Monster is Caliban and Robby is Ariel. Star Trek: The Next Generation: Encounter At Farpoint. Picard: I see in your file that Captain DeSoto thinks very highly of you. One curious thing, however, you refused to let him beam down to Altair Three. Riker: In my opinion, sir, Altair Three was too dangerous to risk exposing the Captain. Picard: I see. A Captain's rank means nothing to you.

[@just_passing_through]

Robby the Robot was built by the same guy as the robot from Lost In Space. In fact, Robby made a guest appearance on Lost In Space.

[@electronron1]

Robby the robot was also in the movie The Invisible Kid and appeared on The Many Loves Of Dobie Gillis Show, the Twilight Zone, Mork and Mindy, Adams Family, Wonder Woma,. Lost In Space and several other television shows.

[@geofftottenperthcoys9944]

Classic is an understatement!

[@indetigersscifireview4360]

I had a chance to see the movie on the big screen two years ago at the Angelika Theater in Virginia. They will have a classic sci-fi week on occasion. Having seen the movie several times I was still blown away when I saw it in a proper theater. This was the first watershed sci fi movie, in that it had a big budget and it dealt with some heavy subject matter. The idea that humans could be godlike but not have the wisdom to behave properly. We see it a few times in the original Star Trek. Captain Adams may be a bit more harsh than Captain Kirk, but his all male crew have been in tight quarters for over a year and they some of the most intelligent and most competitive men Earth has produced. Think Spartans all with advanced degrees in engineering and science and computing. Even Cookie. So he can't have a bunch of these guys with blue balls trying to out compete for one woman.

[@just_passing_through]

One of my all-time favourite movies. I’ve watched it hundreds of times.

[@RetroRobotRadio]

The reason why the uniforms were colorful in Star Trek is because they were trying to sell the show to NBC. NBC was having a promotional push because they had just gone "all color" programming. So they made the show especially colorful on purpose and told them it would show off how colorful the channel was.

[@WillTalksMovies]

Ahh ok that’s really interesting, makes sense why they keep changing colours in the first season

[@RetroRobotRadio]

@@WillTalksMovies not just the uniforms, but the planet sets, food, props and everything was very colorful. The planet set had a white backdrop and they would use powerful colored lights on it so every planet would have a different colored sky! Even aliens were colorful, with blue Andorians spies and green Orions shave girls. The same was true on Lost in Space. They were back and white in season 1, but season 2 started filming in color so suddenly everyone got colorful uniforms in season 2. Doctor Who had a problem with color because they used scrap materials to make the monsters... Well some were silly colors, but no one knew when it was black and white that the Sasquatch was purple fur! They had they make a non-purple version for color episodes.

[@davidcross4596]

In living color on NBC....

[@RossM3838]

RCA owned nbc at the time and they had introduced color televisions which were new to the market.

[@josephmckinney9660]

The costume and set colors were much more subdued in the first Star Trek pilot titled, “The Cage”. Apparently this was Roddenberry’s original concept for the show. When NBC picked up the series they wanted more color. Years later when they made Star Trek The Motion Picture, they returned to the more monochromatic look of The Cage.

[@dpsamu2000]

After having the robot point a blaster right between the eyes, and telling it to fire he shows some more parlor tricks by slamming the shutters closed. "Oh, didn't meant to startle you. Lets do that again". Then slams the shutters open.

[@Jer-7007]

Oh...I forgot one more "Lost in Space" similarity. The freezing tubes in the TV show, seemed similar to those stasis tubes in the movie (more so, than the transporter tubes in "Star Trek", I would say.

[@ghostrider88jinetedelfanta31]

I consider Forbidden Planet a prequel to Star Trek. Change the C57D to Enterprise, captain, XO & doc to Kirk, Spock & McCoy, and it would play out fine. *Following up on a colony, ship/expedition showed up several times during Star Trek, usually with similar consequences. *It introduces the triumvirate of captain, ship's doctor & executive officer (science/1st officer in Star Trek). *It had a Star Trekkian twist to the end. A couple of examples: - Devil in the Dark shows that the human colonists are the bad guys & the Horta, the monster is a valient guardian of the next generation of her kind. They come to a mutually beneficial coexistence. - Enemy Within splits Kirk into, not his good & evil selves but his negative & positive aspects. He finds that he needs both halves to be a Starship captain. So the Krel monster, being a manifestation of Morbius's subconscious, would fit right into Star Trek. *Also, it's not much of a leap from United Planet Cruiser C57D to Federation of United Planets. 🌟 🚀 👩‍🚀 🖖

[@johnjay3270]

Yep. I think Forbidden Planet was the first big scifi movie where earth humans were shown as the advanced spacefarers (using a saucer-shaped ship, no less) rather than having aliens visiting (The Day the Earth Stood Still) and/or attacking earth (Earth vs the Flying Saucers). There actually is a ST:TOS episode "Shore Leave" which may have been inspired a bit from the movie. What we don't know till the end of the ep is that they are on an amusement park / vacation planet, where the alien technology creates things the crew desire by reading their minds... or something like that. Mayhem, stupid gags, and tragedy ensue.

[@bubbashore6450]

I saw this film when I was 6 years old in a movie theater with my father and it and Flash Gordon serials on TV led to my life long love of science fiction.

[@WillTalksMovies]

Love that! Flash Gordon movie will be in 2 weeks time also

[@TheRatsCast]

I saw this movie during the 80s when Cable TV first came out. Back then, cable channels needed movies to play during non prime time hours.

[@ronsandahl274]

This film was a huge influence on Gene Roddenberry in his creation of Star Trek, and George Lucas was a huge fan, utilizing similar shots in the Death Star scenes.

[@Gort-Marvin0Martian]

The "DC" fix at the very beginning was 1701. What was the hull number of Star Trek Enterprise? When the skipper first talks with Morbius over the radio he tell Morbius the spacecraft number is C-57D. In the film Serenity, when they go to the world called Miranda, after landing and when they get to the place to discover how and why the Reavers came into existence there is a crashed shuttle there with it's hull number, C-57D. There are more, both Roddenberry and Whedon have both said this is one of the most influential sci-fi films of all time! As we say in Texas; y'all be safe.

[@ogieogie]

I saw this film in theaters several times when I was a child. (This would have been in 1960 or thereabouts.) It looks the same as it did back then. The electronic score, the subtle animation of the creature from the Id, the heavy handed references to The Tempest (which I saw about the same time) And the amazing special effects made this film an unforgettable experience. It was absolutely groundbreaking. Unlike anything before it. Until then science fiction movies were all cheap and cheesy. This one was the first to take itself seriously.

[@kwebb121765]

The "sound effects," are actually the music, or as they're called in the credits, "electronic tonalities."

[@PhilipBirrell-nl5fo]

It's hard to believe these days that the Forbidden Planet score was not considered music and was not eligible for an Oscar!!

[@kwebb121765]

@@PhilipBirrell-nl5fo I find it quite easy to believe.

[@TheNeonRabbit]

That genuine ancient rocket bourbon will mess you up

[@toddschouweiler3623]

When I first saw the monster from this movie, part of me thought it looked like a Steven King's version of Pete's Dragon.

[@geoffmower8729]

Robbie the robot had a guest appearance in Lost In Space, as an evil robot that Will Robinson finds abandoned and gets working again. Robbie tries to win favour with the Robinsons and replace the B2 Lost In Space robot. I always thought Forbidden Planet was more similar to Lost In Space than Star Trek. The centre dome astrogater is similar to the one on the Jupiter 2 and they both had to go into suspended animation to decelerate from light speed.

[@ramonacosta2647]

The first UFO sighting was in 1947 by pilot Kenneth Arnold. He described them as cigar shaped and moving like saucers skipping on water. The media garbled his description and flying saucers were born. Interestingly in 1896-1897 there was a wave of zeppelin (cigar shaped airships) sightings throughout the US and Europe. The most interesting thing is that the first zeppelin wasn't built until 1899, three years after the sightings.

[@KeepEvery1Guessing]

Altair is our name for the brightest star in Aquila. Altair IV would be, counting from closest to the star on out, the star's fourth planet (if it has any). Earth is sol III, in this context.

[@Timothy-c4p]

When you come to this point in the film where the doctor is lying on his back after boosting his brain power, it’s truly a pivotal moment in the movie, because it’s at this moment where the most important clue about what the Krell had accomplished over the entire span of their evolution is given. Which is, ‘monsters from the id. ‘ Which is still not enough to understand what their achievement was. Even when audience has been given one clue after another, such as the line: ‘civilization without instrumentality.’ So it’s only at the conclusion when you discover what it is. That the Krell have found a way to use their minds to manipulate mass and distribute it anywhere on the planet. All without any tools or machines. Which Morbius had developed without knowing through the brain boosting device. But what we discover when the monster appears out of nowhere. But also disappears when Morbius wakes from a dream. All of which is pure science fiction. But stunning to watch on the screen.

[@jamesricker3997]

They saved Robbie ,a small piece of Krell technology. Earth is going to have a technological jump

[@isaackellogg3493]

It’s a measure of the maturity, pacifism, and absolutely civilized nature of the Krell that they stored a planetary self-destruct mechanism inside a kindergarten classroom.

[@mildredpierce4506]

Do you know about lost in space? That was one of my sister and I’s favorite TV shows when we were kids. We were especially fond of Dr. Smith because our last name is also Smith.

[@dpsamu2000]

Notice the "DC fix" number is 1701. Another interesting ship is the Enterprise, the first named ship of the royal navy, captured from the French, and keel laid in 1701.

[@LesterManley-s9n]

Another classic is George Pal's The War of the Worlds(1953) and one of my Favorite 'b' sci-fi movies 'I Married a Monster from Outer Space(1959 B&W)'

[@WillTalksMovies]

Noted thank you! :)

[@jasontoddman7265]

24:40: The invisible monster fitted inside the ship because Dr. Morbius subconsciously put more energy into the thing each time he summoned it, making it bigger each time. So the first time or two it was much smaller and therefore could fit through that hatchway. That's always been *my* idea, at least.

[@WillTalksMovies]

Well that would make a lot of sense

[@jasontoddman7265]

@@WillTalksMovies Forbidden Planet has long been one of my favorite movies (and I was born the same year it came out), so I've spent a lot of time thinking about it. :)

[@luminiferous1960]

Forbidden Planet directly influenced Lost in Space - with the Robot in Lost in Space resembling Robby the Robot , and the Jupiter 2 saucer spaceship in Lost in Space resembling the C-57d saucer spaceship in Forbidden Planet. Forbidden Planet also featured the first appearance of Robby the Robot who would later make two appearances on Lost in Space.

[@RossM3838]

The robots were designed by the same guy.

[@luminiferous1960]

@@RossM3838 Yes, and his name was Robert Kinoshita. It's interesting that the robot in Forbidden Planet was named a diminutive form of it's creator's first name.

[@RossM3838]

@@luminiferous1960 an honor to a great designer with a big sense of humor. All this moving parts and blinking lights never get old. Cgi? Never heard of it.

[@luminiferous1960]

@@RossM3838 "Cgi? Never heard of it." You bubble-headed booby! 😉Just kidding with an allusion to Dr. Smith in the original Lost In Space. 🛸

[@luminiferous1960]

@@RossM3838 Instead of CGI, you'd rather have, in the immortal words of Dr. Smith, a bumbling bag of bolts and a primitive pile of pistons comprising a bubble headed-booby? Oh, the pain, the pain! 😉🛸

[@miker252]

The household incinerators, like so many other appliances of the fifties and sixties, are approved by the Underwriter's Labatory.

[@just_passing_through]

The Altair system was mentioned in Star Trek, as was Altair III, IV, and VI.

[@dennismason3740]

This film broke all of the rules. The Oscar folk decided that the electronic soundtrack music was not music. It was the first totally electronic soundtrack, ever. The compressed dirt was footsteps.

[@gregmcpherson5671]

Good to remember that this movie was made not too many years after World War 2 and so it takes on many of the tropes of the time. Navy guys on shore leave in the Pacific and so on.

[@tofersiefken]

Leslie Nielsen is better known to my generation (Gen-X) as a comedy actor. Airplane, The Naked Gun, even Mr. Magoo are prime examples. But just like Jim Carrey and Tom Hanks, there's more to Nielsen than just comedy. Carrey and Hanks may have begun with comedy and moved on to drama, Nielson started out heavier and lightened up. Another serious role of his you might enjoy is in The Poseidon Adventure (1972), a disaster at sea movie.

[@WillTalksMovies]

Definitely going to have to check those out

[@isaackellogg3493]

“Maybe if we _reasoned_ with it.” Pulls guns. Robot disables guns. “I find your arguments unconvincing, gentlemen.”

[@JohnSipe-jt7bm]

Altair VI was the planet referred to in Star Trek (Amok Time). 4:03

[@WillTalksMovies]

Thank you! Appreciate it

[@Forjugadname]

People really underestimate how far ahead sci-fi has been. There's also a movie from the 1950's The Invisible Boy(with the same robot) about a machine that becomes self aware and try's to destroy humanity.

[@dolphinsrr]

The invisible boy is a unofficial sequel to forbidden planet. Made by the same filmmakers as forbidden planet!

[@tommcewan7936]

The thing it's easy to forget about early sci-fi was that, although dreadfully low-budget and often looked down on by the establishment as bilge for teenagers to make out to at the drive-in, lazily directed with stiff actors who weren't taking it especially seriously and look like they'd rather be doing something else (quality films like this one are the exception, not the rule), more often than not, the actual *writing,* tended to be remarkably high-concept compared to a lot of modern stuff, if still rather cheesy.

[@mark-nm4tc]

Richard Anderson is the comms officer and in the 70's he became famous as Oscar Goldman, Steve Austin's boss in the cult show, The Six Million Dollar Man. The ID creature FX were rotoscoped, hand-drawn by a Disney artist -no CGI back then!. The beam the enter to decelerate functions a bit like Trek's inertial damping field, it counteracts the G forces of deceleration by 'freezing' your atomic structure temporarily. Not only was the movie the inspiration for Star Trek but Robbie has the line, 'a simple blaster'...wind forward about 20 years to Star Wars and Lucas has Solo use a 'blaster'. This film and 2001 are probably the most influential in movie SF. It also has the first ever totally electronic score, something that miffed Hollywood musicians unions at the time so they had to call it 'Electronic Tonalities'. Only people like Vangelis would do it much later in the 80's, and this was the 50's!.

[@les4767]

I don't think you can really classify "The Six Million Dollar Man" as a cult show. It was hugely popular and quite successful in its television run.

[@JohnSipe-jt7bm]

@@les4767he also was on the Bionic Woman at the same time. He was the Night Strangler in the second Kolchak TVM. As a bonus he was the final homicide lieutenant on Perry Mason and Richard Kimble’s brother in law on the Fugitive.

[@kevindarkstar]

The guns are blasters, which is stated in the Robbie scene 😊