Star Trek Picard 3x03 Seventeen Seconds Full Spoiler Review Analysis Breakdown

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[@professorhazard]

You are surprised Raffi doesn't know stuff about the Dominion War? She was Picard's second in command and she didn't know about Q. "Mr. Alphabet". I hate everything about this

[@lawrencemanning]

The “flaw” in this analysis is that it required 10 times more thinking then coming up with the plot.

[@timbishop2438]

I also thought it was kind of weird how LaForge said her father had trouble making friends, when it seemed like Geordi was pretty good with friends. Women not so much. Of course we'll see how it turns out, but I still would have preferred the Conspiracy Aliens over Changelings. It's something we see a little bit of with an unfinished story vs. something we saw a lot of with a completed story. But like I said, we'll see how it pans out.

[@WilliamVentura]

No he was a dork, the crew felt bad for him.

[@braveintofuture]

If they did use the conspiracy aliens, chances are they would have made them entirely CGI and I don’t trust those compositing guys to do it convincingly. What they should do is using practical effects, but that knowledge is almost completely lost in modern film production.

[@HarosOfStyx]

First of all, LaForge in proper Paramount canon NEVER tried to be friends with the women he encountered. He wasn't a soyboy.

[@IblameBlame]

Maybe it's changelings infected by conspiracy bugs.

[@HarosOfStyx]

@@IblameBlame no that's sτυριd. Those bugs control something that has a normal biological system. With alasomorphs there's nothing to control. No organs, no nerves, no brain etc. Think before writing.

[@ElevenEvilExes]

with your nitpicks plus the additional ones i noticed, it's simply way too much to allow me to enjoy it. at some point, nitpicks turn into bad writing. when something makes me roll my eyes, scratch my head (without ever getting explained) or palm my face every 30 seconds, it's no longer nitpicking. it's waaaayyyy into the area of bad writing.

[@mysticmarble94]

pretty sure if Grin tried he could accomplish the same level of nitpicking for a TNG episode

[@ElevenEvilExes]

@@mysticmarble94 i don't think so. i still watch all 700+ episodes of real STAR TREK on a loop, almost every day, and i watch them with the same critical mind as everything else. those older episodes were written with much greater care, many of them by actual science fiction authors. and the showrunners of TNG and those other real STAR TREK series didn't let slip through nearly as many errors and logical inconsistencies as these hacks today do.

[@InAnimateGamer]

Out of all the pre-JJ/Kurtzman Trek shows, Voyager is my least favorite. I don't like the show much as a whole but there are still episodes I really enjoy. However, the glue that still holds it together for me is that I still like the characters, at least some of them. My favorites are Tom Paris and Harry Kim (their friendship is solid), and I feel even Neelix gets much undeserved hate. Writing good characters goes a long way to forgive weaker stories and there hardly seems to be likable individuals throughout the alternate license Trek.

[@rahn45]

@@mysticmarble94 TNG episodes are at least internally consistent within its own episode and generally within its own lore within the series itself. Enough so to at least make mentions of why a certain mechanic in the episode isn't working as intended, and certainly has a foundation of science as to why things work the way they do.

[@mysticmarble94]

@@rahn45 Indeed, I would likewise trim it down to "" at least internally consistent ( per episode ) "" for TNG.

[@phantomdasilva]

The whole Picard killed them all line from Riker annoyed me a lot. First it was Riker decision and hence captain is always responsible. 2nd a Captain must never say that things are hopeless and everyone is going to die in front of a crew. The captain has to be a beacon of hope in the most desperate situation. If he said this in private to Picard is one thing but in front of the crew it would be demoralising. It would have been better if Riker just told Picard to leave the bridge while emotionally seething with anger than this out of character moment

[@saftpackerl]

Picard seems to have been replaced by a changeling.

[@Cerbyo]

@@saftpackerl RoboPIcard is malfunctioning or was replaced by another RoboPicard. OR MAYBE ur right a changeling copied a robot.

[@samuelshafik2778]

I agree with most of your Nitpicks, there are however a few things that bother me about this episode. 1- At the bar, we see that a tiny device can project a holographic video screen. Why didn't Troy contact her husband via his communicator badge? Why can't they put that tiny holographic emitter in their badges to begin with? and if they can do all that, why do they even have view screens on the ship? 2- How come the changeling didn't change shape when they were running after him? at one point they seemed to have lost him and he could of easily eluded them. Or find a crack or a grate and turn into liquid and escape? Why didn't he change the shape of his wrists to make his handcuffs drop? if the handcuffs prevented him from turning into a liquid, how come he did when he could no longer hold his shape? 3- Why can they enter the Nebula at any point by navigating through the cloud/gas but have to exit through a hole out into space? 4- If the sensors don't work well due to interference in the Nebula, how come the enemy ship's sensors work perfectly at detecting precisely where the leak from the Titan is? 5- When they see the wormhole, why don't they stop, or reverse, or turn to another directly. Why do they SLOWLY fly into it not once, but twice from the same spot? 6- They are ready to warp "as soon as we clear the Nebula". They clear it, yet don't go to warp and wait until the enemy ship (maybe 30 seconds) takes it's time to fire their portal device. Why didn't they go to warp as soon as they got out? When they go though the portal, they are still outside the Nebula, why are they waiting for the ennemy to power up their device a second time without going to warp? When Kirk said to Sulu to punk it in Wrath of Khan, sulu did it immediately. He didn't wait around. WTF? These things don't seem to make a lot of logic to me. Even if I try to figure out some convoluted solution to explain it, it doesn't work. maybe you have another take on these and have come up with a great solution to these issues. Anyway, it'd fun to discuss.

[@marcoyole610]

1. The latest technology is not shown in this scene. Troi was simply shown on a screen. Frakes must have overdone it to parody the woman's role in TNG. Starting with the imprecise timing of "BEFORE". 2. Either he wasn't able to shapeshift for some reason, or the terrorist group doesn't want to reveal their secret under any circumstances. 3. No hole was named. They probably just take the shortest route. 4. The Titan leaves a trail. Knowing where the leak is is not important for tracking. Nor is it said that it is important. 5. and 6. The agility of the spaceships is shown a little slower again. The implementation of space battles is always worth discussing. This was about the introduction of the special portal weapon

[@stopgeorge]

Worf's action in ep. 1 still doesn't make sense as it blows his cover. He wasn't even wearing a disguise. He could have stopped Raffi before she encountered Sneed. Remember, he already knew who the terrorist was at that point. So, he put Raffi's life at risk and he blew his cover. Not smart. And then, to top it off, they go down to the same spot where they blew their cover -- no disguise or anything. LoL

[@tytusromek9267]

new Star Trek nothing make any sense :D

[@hansdampf6916]

Maybe he got there as fast as he could?

[@HarosOfStyx]

Well, he didn't exactly blow his cover since they didn't have time to look at him, since he killed all of them. Nobody saw him kill the guards and Sneed.

[@saftpackerl]

@@HarosOfStyx This all took place in the vip back area of a bar. Raffis ex husband's bar to be axact. Im sure nobody of the regular guests noticed something...and if so, Worf just kills them all :D

[@stopgeorge]

@@hansdampf6916 When he knew there was no going back with Raffi, why didn't he just simply say he would meet her as she wanted?

[@sFeral]

Force fields have gone the way of the "stun setting", ERASED. Cuffs are way cooler... except he could have easily escaped while they weren't looking

[@JonathanJK]

Worf says, "How long have you been away from the Great Link" - with regard to the guy's sweats. Length of time away from the Link has no effect on their regeneration requirements so I don't understand why he would say that because the Great Link sent out 100 babies to "find themselves". Odo himself had been away for 30 years was it? Considering their time away how would those babies cope? Worf should have said, "When was your last regeneration"?

[@NitpickingNerd]

technically true , but that line was most effective in immediately informing the audience . "regeneration" would not be as clear

[@HairExplosion]

I guess that Odo hasn't thoroughly cured all the Founders yet

[@RGBmode]

​@@NitpickingNerd When you realise the changelings were the Borg of DS9. Great link / Collective Regeneration Jem'hadar / Drones Borg queen / female changeling Delta quadrant / Gamma quadrant Borg assimilating worlds / dominion making alliances

[@JonathanJK]

@@NitpickingNerd This show is for Trek fans, we know already.

[@JonathanJK]

@@HairExplosion You literally saw the ocean at the end of DS9's last episode turn colour and all the shapeshifters cure each other exponentially - 20 years ago.

[@jakubkovac346]

Marina Sirtis played herself in that scene not Troi 😀

[@terranman4702]

She does that for a decade now.

[@eleonoraludmilla9237]

I loved the scene because she resembled her mother so much. It's like when she was younger she was annoyed by her but as the saying says once we're older we all become like our parents :)

[@eleonoraludmilla9237]

Did anyone notice the resemblance between Troi and Lwaxana in the bar-scene? I think it was a hommage to Majel Barrett, and a way to show that despite their differences, once she got older Troi became more like her mother herself, just like many of us become like our parents over the years :)

[@IblameBlame]

Yeah, because somebody said "ah, shit" I thought it was Lwaxana, who in the Nitpicking Nerd 's TNG edits is the worst thing to happen.

[@JD-vh1qd]

It’s so true and I hate my parents

[@cyrvsxix]

Raffi is a 50 year old woman written to act like someone in her late teens, not befitting of her rank as Commander.

[@christophermcmanus5103]

Regarding Seven locked in her quarters still. In season 2 of Picard they admitted they shot a lot of scenes for storylines without knowing the sequencing & stitched them together in the editing room. I suspect this is what happened here, they hadn't decided when in the bridge timeline Seven would be breaking out with Jack & it turns out they put it after Shaw hands command over than before when it would have made sense. Jack being attacked also looked like it was an option for a cliffhanger ending.

[@samuelshafik2778]

Another proof that it's not planned and all made up at the last minute.

[@cyrvsxix]

In a huge universe, where someone could die or disappear at any moment on an alien planet or in the darkness of outer space and never be heard from again without anyone ever knowing they existed, I find it inexcusable to not inform Picard that he had a son.

[@samuelshafik2778]

70 year old women can get pregnant in the 25th century but they don't have any contraception.

[@InAnimateGamer]

Poor writing on the part of a Secret Hideout, as there are moments in TNG where Beverly could have told Jean Luc [about this soap opera element nonsense] but chose not to; this shows their true lack of knowledge and understanding of Star Trek lore and foundation.

[@EC-ol8nz]

I thought it was Armus (Skin of Evil) or the Bugs. Would have been more awesome!

[@Izzack10]

I do hate to say it & I’m not sure if anyone agrees but I still find myself completely underwhelmed, despite all the hype that this episode is ‘radically different’. I do agree there is more improvement from S1/S2 but it’s still the same darkness, bleakness, swearing, rehashing of old villains or enemies. To me there isn’t anything new, fresh, positive or light about this show so far & I feel that others watching this are overlooking the bad writing/scope of this show for those nostalgia nuggets which occasionally pop up. But listen, if the show continues to improve on this trajectory & eventually does start to feel like the Star Trek of old I’ll take that but so far it doesn’t appear to be happening with the episodes so far.

[@dandeliondown7920]

Agreed. From reading comments on a lot of channels, it seems that those who like Season 3 are enjoying the memberberries, and especially the changelings. That's not enough for me. I want Star Trek that challenges me to consider a moral dilemma, to think, to figure out a way to make the world a better place. And it would be nice if the Old Trek characters were not desecrated. New Trek always makes the Old Trek characters worse, never better. And I could have lived without Riker saying, "Who wants to listen to some old fart drone on about boldly going for 250 years?"

[@samuelshafik2778]

I agree with both of you. I'm still waiting for the "superb writing" and the "return to true Star Trek TNG" that all the shills who are friends with terry matalas or received the entire season to promote it online, have promissed us. it might get better, but so far it's the same old Kurtzman distopian Trek filled with memberberries. We still have Jordi, Lore and Moriaty to go. I'm half expecting a cameo by Cyrano Jones. On a serious note, I hope that Moriaty is well explained. He was put in a self-contained simulation and I hope it's not going to turn out that everything we're seeing is inside that simulation. Then again, it could retcon the entire Picard/Discovery timeline.

[@StephenAnderson98403]

When the Founders linked in ds9, it seems like it gave them a hive mind. Even Odo when linked with Female Changeling lost his senses although he had alternative plans with the 'underground.' So how are there renegade Changelings? They should all be part of the Great Link. Not to mention the guy in ep3 didn't even change shape to escape but easily let himself be captured/murdered by Worf. I hope we will see Vorta but I doubt it.

[@LtCmdrAmbrose]

He couldnt shift forms without going thru a rest period first. Needed his bucket lol

[@scockery]

There was Laas and the others of the 100 that were sent out with Odo.

[@christophermcmanus5103]

Yes this & the fact they don't shapeshift & one was able to be captured & not shapeshift shows the changeling as the baddies were bolted on after the story was written

[@richardmcgowan1651]

They have "bad" Changelings in Star Trek Online. Were you have different jem'hadar that are loyal to them. Then Odo sends jem'hadar to help the federation. But that is just a video game and is not canon or anything. Worf gives that impression in the show when he talks about Odo. Then in DS9 is was clear Changelings had there own personalities.

[@christophermcmanus5103]

@@richardmcgowan1651 they definitely do have their own personalities & you can see a group coalescing & then deciding to leave the great link together. However the show should be going into this a bit more than a throwaway line. I get the impression this plot was originally the bugs then was charged to the changelings late in the writing process

[@sFeral]

If the guy that ended up being a changeling was a changeling in the script from the beginning, Worf and Raffi would have never had a chance catching him, and slamming him on the floor would do nothing either, and yeah 7:20 this guy keeps this form which would make him easy to track in many ways simply by various exclusion techniques based on the crewmember whereabouts info.

[@NitpickingNerd]

that's why I say I hope they explain it somehow why these changelings are so weak / limited . maybe Worf is carrying a device that emits a quantum stasis field that makes it harder for them to shape shift near him

[@sFeral]

@@NitpickingNerd don't you think he would have mentioned that to Raffi earlier, and also if he knew, he would've used a force filed to contain IT

[@Wormholegrease]

Because they were trying to keep that the founders involvement secret as long as they could but he couldn’t hold it anymore

[@sFeral]

@@Wormholegrease I highly doubt that

[@Wormholegrease]

that’s what my head canon is saying until proven otherwise lol

[@cyrvsxix]

So the torpedoes aren’t guided, homing, and they can’t abort them? Apparently defibrillators haven’t changed in centuries. And early in the episode closed captions gave away that the enemy were Changelings.

[@misterlau5246]

Lol really? 😅 Going to watch with cc😅

[@richardmcgowan1651]

Tbf torpedoes have always been Trek's magic weapons that change all the time. Were one Torp could knock out a ship the you see 20 of them being fired the next episode and nothing happening.

[@saftpackerl]

CC spoiler - when? I had them on and didnt notice.

[@O1OO1O1]

In the 25th century as well they probably would have nano machines to use in addition to some sort of defibrillator device rather than just relying on an external tool because they can be plenty of internal issues that could be causing problems that nano machines would be able to detect and give very sophisticated data on. I know Star Trek likes to have technology being not invasive but I still think nanotechnology would play a bigger role in the future

[@cyrvsxix]

@@saftpackerl I seems to be removed now. Previously, it was around 3:43 in the episode. The caption read "Changeling: They're out of sensor range."

[@jenssylvesterwesemann7980]

The production said that smoking the cigar was Amanda Plummer's idea. No point in reading too much into it, I'd guess.

[@stopgeorge]

Wonder if the vaping industry had any say?

[@jefferyyoung2580]

Captain picard is never like this 😕

[@roystonsbailey]

so everything is memberberries, reunions, rehashes... and about 20 years too late

[@Cartoonman154]

The last two series were the same. This is slightly better, but I'm not holding my breath.

[@axelhopfinger533]

Pretty much, yeah.

[@WilliamVentura]

No I got it. The real villain is going to be Thomas Riker!!!! He survived prison and has teamed up with the hundred and they are after revenge!!!! Or it could be kai opaka, you left me on that planet and now I want revenge!!! Or is tosk, he still running from the game and crashes on the planet with the one jem Hadar that's immune to the white, together they will rule the galaxy!!

[@ledarbyromeo9667]

I've been waiting for this video the moment the episode ended.

[@MyOliver01]

Same 😅

[@rockbottom2822]

Don't you love it when Picard forgot about his famous "Picard Maneuver" instead let portal lady move his new ship around and use his weapons against him. They really think this season is clever.

[@thomaswedge42]

What you mean the "Picard Maneuver" which involves jumping the ship to High Warp to leave an afterimage, which they can't do in the Nebula...

[@rockbottom2822]

@@thomaswedge42 Why can't you do it in a nebula? Too nebulous? They do warp flight through nebulas all the time.

[@aire4222]

27:30 the changeling was purposely trying to stay in physical form because he thought there might be a chance that he would be freed and word would not get out that he was a changeling

[@roscosimmons-shorts8050]

Riker has been doing some weird stuff in general. I think he might be a changeling. 1. He notices the changeling ashes when Picard and Jack do not. 2. He makes up an excuse not to talk in detail about his family "fighting with his wife". This way he can have an excuse not to talk about certain things the changeling might not have been able to research up on. 3. He stares at the changeling (in the yellow uniform) and they sort of acknowledge each other in the hallway when everyone else ignores him. 4. He acts out of character towards Picard on multiple occasions including yelling at him in anger. - I'm curious if there are going to be good and bad changelings involved since it seems like the main great link is still holding up their end of the peace treaty. Worf makes mention of Odo being his informant.

[@1eyedwilli3]

Rafi is the worst Star Trek character ever. Any scene with her I instantly fast forward.

[@tiomkinnyborg2289]

There were 11 scenes of two people just sitting and chatting the plot forward. This is not how TV programs used to be made. They used to show you what was happening by using a forgotten art form called acting. They used to employ writers and directors that knew how to achieve this. Sadly, most people have forgotten what good TV is and are happy to watch 5 action scenes with 'feelings in the corridors' separating them. I feel as if I am reading a book or that this a poorly acted radio show from the 1950's. Go back and count how many times the plot is just explained by talking. You could easily have the actors doing something, like repairing a system while they talk. Give this show a real rating based on that. Look at any old Star Trek episode and see the difference. This is truly made for a 'new generation'. The story is good but it is not Star Trek. Many shows made today use the 'sit and talk' the plot formula.

[@dandeliondown7920]

TOS was brilliant in its use of lighting, music, sound effects, special effects, colour, staging, etc. In "Balance of Terror", there is a great reveal when we see a Romulan (on the Enterprise's view screen) for the first time. The Romulan looks like a Vulcan. The camera does a close-up on Kirk as he stares in amazement at the screen. Just behind his left shoulder, Stiles (who hates Romulans) glares at Spock as we go to commercial break. That clever bit of actor positioning tells a story in itself, a story which will become crucial to the plot later. They thought of everything back then.

[@GuitarGunner]

They said "Verterium" lol, which cracked me up. It apparently lines the warp coils.... never been mentioned in Star Trek before.

[@censortube3778]

2 major problems for me 1, Picard and Crusher have their soap opera about Jack BEFORE anything is said about why she sent the message asking for Picard to help her, her excuse for saying "don't trust anyone" was extremely weak, but that was only stated AFTER they had their little soap opera about Jack. 2, when Jack punched and knocked out the security guard, 7 casually kicks his leg out of the way of the door, this is typical leftism, you can do violence on anyone who gets in your way, even if they are a crew mate following orders, typical leftism and not star trek

[@NitpickingNerd]

At least they protected his leg from the door

[@Jamielein]

The closed captioning spoils that the alien crew are in fact changelings

[@ledarbyromeo9667]

It made me chuckle when I caught it. A goofy ass embarrassing chuckle.

[@stopgeorge]

Have the writers never heard of a proximity detonation for the torpedos?

[@andych8425]

or mines for that matter

[@TPubbie]

So shields can absorb a direct anti-matter explosion, but not the shockwave from a distant explosion?

[@NitpickingNerd]

Apparently so

[@deanthemachine8879]

The Founders were experts in genetic engineering and it could still be an interesting twist to have the Bugs from Conspiracy be a bio weapon from the Gamma Quadrant that was sent over a long time ago

[@dandeliondown7920]

In a previous episode, Jack says that Beverly is "right beside me, equal partners" in his activities. Does that make her a war criminal who runs guns to both sides in a war?

[@Anthony-1701]

If this is the best then that is just sad. This was a terrible ep that acted like it was impossible to keep the children of Federation Officers safe. How on earth did Sisko or every other parent manage??? So far this show has ruined the characters of Picard & Crusher with this lost son crap that was done better in TNG where their relationship was settled. Crusher should be the captain of her own medical ship not this crap. This crap with Riker not wanting to shoot the enemy, not even to cripple them, makes absolutely no sense. It's like a different person when he got command. I was expecting them to act like they've done this before but no they made Picard & Riker fight like a married couple. Look at the battle he led in ST Insurrection. He ran as needed but when it was time he blew them up! They pulled this crap right out of their but & it was just dumb. They screwed up the Changelings & you call this the best ep so far, pathetic. A Changeling who holds their shape to long does not look like drug withdrawal they look like a melting candle. When one gets punched they don't look like a puddle, how stupid was that. I was trying to figure out what weird alien they got now then oh it's changelings, Really!??? I think everyone I heard singing the praises of this season, the only reason I am watching it, are just very desperate to see good Star Trek again & settled for this piece of crap with the only difference being this crap felt good to pass through when the rest was on the level of explosive diarrhea that can't be aimed correctly. Crap is crap & settling for nice looking crap is still settling.

[@electricflyer81]

It is rumored that we'll get the see the Voyager when the museum ships come to help. It would be very good to see the Defiant and Captain Sisco again...

[@Bar_Steward]

would it be good to see a bunch of hacks wearing them as a skin suit though?

[@HarosOfStyx]

Um no. Sisco is a wormhole alien. Forget about Paramount canon. The Picard universe doesn't give a sht about the Paramount stuff. Without Terry Matalis, we won't ever see anything even remotely close to the original characters and events. The rejects that made the first two seasons, along with Stewart's idiotic ideas, already saw to that.

[@saftpackerl]

:D as ridiculous that would be, I think you could be right. We have the hint that Jordi LaForge is the head of the Fleet Museum (which is not the carreer path that anyone would have predicted Jordi would take). And we get lots of old ships' stats and silhouettes in the LCARS porn outro. The blatant fan service in this season is funny and tolarable, as long as all the misteries are solved satisfiyingly. For me, they are right on the verge of dropping the ball...again.

[@Bar_Steward]

@@saftpackerl so far it looks like changelings have successfully infiltrated the federation again (or why was there already one on the titan) and they have stolen a huge portal weapon from the daystrom institute and used it to conceal the fact they were stealing something else (because apparently they would just say "oh no, our portal thing has been stolen, they definitely didn't take anything else because that is the best thing we have") because it is important that they trigger an investigation that will lead to detection of their presence when before nobody had a clue... because reasons. They already dropped the ball but nobody noticed because "ooo they made it look a bit more tng". Mystery box, mystery box, MYSTERY BOX (fart sound).

[@RetrofIex]

New rule for Picard writers: watch all Star Trek TNG episodes before making the screenplays for a new season

[@Rzymek85]

i had a few questions : 1) where did the Quantum Torpedoes go? They seemed to be standard equipment ? 2) DOn't torpedoes have IFF and therefore can't hit own ships ?

[@Hlbkomer]

This is the Kurtzmanverse - the rules are whatever the script needs.

[@ExplodingConsole]

The shackles that might prevent a changeling from using their abilities and Raffi threatening to cut off the changeling's fingernails (i.e., before she knew) reminded me of a certain scene from the Witcher 3. I wonder if I was alone in that? As for the Portals, they made me think of the game series with the way they worked.

[@HontasFarmer80]

On the Deuteriam leak. That scene makes sense if two things are true. 1.) They pipe it around with an odorant like we do with natural gas. 2.) IF that gas replaced all the oxygen in the room it could suffocate you.

[@dandeliondown7920]

How clever the producers were to spoil the episode by revealing the villains in the closed captions.

[@braveintofuture]

The writers forgot that Picard is supposed to be French. Crusher said their son went to school in London, never shook the accent, maybe it’s in his DNA. So apparently French DNA makes for British accent.

[@dragonknightleader1]

I mean, Picard's family and friends ALL had English accents. Robert, Uncle Rene, Marie, Louis. Only Picard's mom actually had a (terrible) French accent, but that was like 50 years before that TNG episode.

[@braveintofuture]

@@dragonknightleader1 yes, that's something Grin has mentioned in previous reviews but it seems as he has given up on it now.

[@NitpickingNerd]

In season 2 they said the Picard family lived in London and moved back to France just recently

[@braveintofuture]

@@NitpickingNerd that's at least internally consistent

[@Cartoonman154]

I don't care much about the Raffi character. Nearly every time 7 has a conversation it sounds like she's about to cry. Also, in this episode, they still haven't raised a ship-wide alarm about the saboteur. Still an interesting cliffhanger.

[@shebakoby]

Michelle Hurd was garbage in Law and Order SVU. Nothing's changed since then.

[@brettcooper3893]

Those bugs may still come back. They could be in league with the Founders. I think the new Changelings look like vomit mixed with diarrhea. I'm feeling like they're trying to inject some Ripley with a dash of Sarah Connor into Beverly. The aliens may also be from, like, Namibia, with all that clicking.

[@Mr.Edd3905]

isn't this basically like Battlestar Gallactica?

[@stopgeorge]

Who did they say they (the villains) are after? So, why is the changeling on the ship only concerned about keeping the vertinium going? Why did he leave Jack Crusher for dead and not umm... capture him? And if their true motive is not to capture Jack Crusher, why are they not recognizing that with this reveal and the action of the Changeling? They had no problem having the crew hate on Jack earlier. Again, it makes no sense.

[@NitpickingNerd]

The changeling kind of forgot that the changelings want Jack alive ...

[@stopgeorge]

@@NitpickingNerd But even if their "true" motive wasn't Jack, why doesn't anyone recognize that now?

[@saftpackerl]

@@NitpickingNerd Maybe he wanted Jack to have the bullshitanium vision while nearly dying?

[@samuelshafik2778]

@@NitpickingNerd Every episode of this shit show kind of "forgets" a lof of stuff like Plot, Characterization, Character consistencey, logic, physics, science, etc. I can't get over the science behind the Captain waking up from sleep beause he heard thunder outside his winow IN SPACE.

[@NitpickingNerd]

@@samuelshafik2778 actually they kind of explained it that the nebula has strange energy discharges that effect the ship . It turns on the lights momentarily

[@OzPiggy87]

Worf's "sword" is a mek'leth and he's used one since his DS9 days. It's the same weapon that he used in First Contact to slice up the Borg on the space walk to the deflector dish.

[@NitpickingNerd]

False . Its a new design

[@OzPiggy87]

@@NitpickingNerd It looked pretty similar to me.

[@Carlos0619ASmith]

She is a Vulcan/Deltan mix.

[@sallobo777]

Stewart only upgrades his acting quality around TNG actors; he phoned his performance S1 & S2 when he was around the other actors

[@ThatsMrFrank]

I personally thought that the Picard Crusher convo was a really awful attempt to justify the big mystery of her disappearing with Jack. It isn't a terribly good reason, it isn't like Beverly, and they also fabricate danger in Picard's past as though he's constantly doing action hero stuff to make his life seem more dangerous. However, I can tolerate the "you don't want kids" thing as something he would have said as a white lie to hide his regret.

[@marcoyole610]

The introduction of shapeshifters fuels speculation and excitement. However, what has been seen so far is not satisfactory. The inspection, the motive for not handing over Jack, the changeability, Seven's belated suspension with Picard and Riker essential on the command bridge. Beverly was unavailable and chose an unguarded way of life. What was stolen besides the portal weapon went unnoticed. If a terrorist group was found to exist, between whom would war break out, and why? Shouldn't Starfleet be trying to protect the Federation? Greetings

[@thebensisko]

One thing I haven’t seen mentioned in reviews of this episode is the eye candy/beauty shots of the Titan. Some of the best and most memorable I’ve seen in Trek since TNG-I probably replayed the scene of it coming out of the portal next to the Shrike 4 or 5 times it looked so good.

[@stopgeorge]

One of the few things that are good about this show.

[@saftpackerl]

The shots really looked good, and as the nerd mentioned, had weight, or better mass to them. But for my taste I dont think this Titan looks good. Its just so mish mashy with that round old school dish in the front but the back third of the saucer gets all edgy. The engineering hull looks kind of strange and from another aera. And the nacelles are so busy. There is no smoothness, simplicity to that design. Star Trek ship surfaces can be busy, like the Enterprise E. But i think they still need clear rough outlines that show you the intended design

[@thebensisko]

@@saftpackerl yeah, I get what you mean, the design has almost too many influences or elements. I didn’t love the Titan at first but I’m quickly falling for it especially after this last episode it really grew on me. It’s no original Connie refit or Big D but I like it a lot.

[@JROD082384]

Worf WAS working in collaboration with Starfleet, either as an independent contractor, or more likely, as an official representative of the Klingon Empire and given his former Starfleet ties, this made him a natural intermediary between the two empires to find out the common enemy threatening all solids.

[@jojo-gy9pp]

The Inner Light is a top five episode. To ignore it is to ignore all the beauty of those people.

[@InAnimateGamer]

The Changelings on display here don't sound like the crafty, patient, and careful infiltrators/saboteurs I remember back in DS9. They caught wind of schemes going on all across the Alpha Quadrant with much of the Alpha Quadrant governments not realizing how much they're truly compromised; they only had "massive" setbacks through usually the slimmest chances of great luck. Don't forget, the Changelings really knew how to manipulate and torment their enemies psychologically using paranoia to their advantage. The writing here still sounds half-baked, even if it can still coast in goodwill and performance charm. Also, not liking what I'm being told about this Jack Crusher stuff. Beverly not informing Jean Luc of their child after all this time? I think he needs to give Wesley's mother another First Duty lecture.

[@JanMichalSzulew]

Things I didn't like - yet another uniform variant in the flashback. And a fugly one. Why? So unnecessary. Do people understand the meaning of the word "uniform"? - Picard's last line, that pathetic "Will..." - also unnecessary With regards to Worf, pay attention how the music builds up when he lists his titles and reaches its climax where he asks about the sugar for tea. Hilarious.

[@Drzoom299]

What happened, man? who bought you and Angry Joe?? Nothing is different in this Episode!! Still nothing makes sense. You are blinded by the fact they brought back the founders. IT'S A COP-OUT! None of your questions will be answered. They will just pile member-berries up until the plot doesnt matter anymore. And the raffi-Worf-buddy-cop-movie??? Are you kidding me? Worf is STILL a totally different character from TNG or DS9.

[@InAnimateGamer]

There are fundamental problems here like what they had on JJ Trek movies and the other Secret Hideout/Kurtzman shows: they derive whatever "cool" concepts that was in the original canon but not understanding the underlying foundations and soul of them. Using Section 31 as either a hip spy agency or some thoughtless generic bad guys, bringing in the Borg but actually not using the established characteristics and parameters that properly defined them, having splinter Changelings without realizing that Founders are patient, crafty, and try to look after each other; they're unified to make a universe that ensures their own safety, etc.

[@Cerbyo]

Ummm...what? You are very generous usually but this....what? THis was an abomination. I will give two nods....the back and forth about 'ur number 1 now' and the ability to get riker's character down properly for most of the episode....I'll give them that. The changeling arc...WTF!?!?! These writers literally started watching ds9 around the time of lower decks new season and everytime they watch a bit of trek they SHOW THE WORLD THEY WATCHED A BIT OF TREK.....they clearly NEVER FINISHED watching ds9 tho! They got changelings WRONG COMPLETELY. Making them a terrorist sect who travelled to the alpha quadrant....and r trying to destroy THE FEDERATION? HOW CHILDISH IS THIS!?!?!?!? The dominion is HUGE EMPIRE, the dominion war was just a single battle to the dominion, they sent a single fleet to deal with the alpha quadrant. The backup fleet they sent would have destroyed everything if it didnt get GOD MODED out of the scene. The federation wouldn't stand a chance against the dominion if they sent their full forces. The liquids don't care about solids...they just want to be left alone and the way to do that is to form an empire that stabilizes the region and offers them protection....they only care about eachother. Why would they travel to basically another dimension that could never hurt them again just to takeout the federation? THEY DONT CARE WHY WUD THEY!!! It's assinine. The biggest offender by far is that line by Riker "YOU JUST KILLED EVERYONE ON THIS SHIP, GET THE HELL OFF MY BRIDGE" OR WHATEever he said....complete bullshittt. Riker would NEVER SAY THAT TO PICARD. EVerything about that line was WRONG. First of all Riker spent half the episode iterating the point that he was the captain and responsible for the decisions and had final say and everything was his fault if it went wrong....his plan fails, so he uses Picard's plan finally...that fails, so he blames EVERYTHING ON PICARD!??!?!?! IT MAKES NO SENSE! HE SPENT HALF THE EPISODE iterating HOW HE HAD CULPABILITY NOT ANYONE ELSE! Not to mention half the episode praising picard and putting picard-son time over the lives of the entire ship and crew MULTIPLE TIMES SO FAR......both riker and picard are the ones who 'killed everyone on that ship'...the fact they lied and lured a ship incapable of proper combat into this EXTREMELY DANGEROUS situation that they themselves knew would be extremely dangerous. RIDICULOUS HYPOCRISY. IDIOT WRITERS. And the fact they have people at windows looking to spot the enemy ship.....WTF?!?!??!?!?! Somehow the human eye is the only sensor that WORKS!??!?! ARE U KIDDING ME!!?!? HOW DO YOU THINK THE HUMAN EYE WORKS!?!?!?!? CAMERAS WORK THE SAME FRIGGIN WAY< THEY HAVE NO CAMERA ON THE SHIP THAT WORKS!??!?! RIDICULOUS SO RIDICULOUS

[@PonchusMcMuffin]

Best thumbnail ever!

[@RGBmode]

B4 is in Daystrom and has all of Data's memory engrams, I think they grab Lore and B4 so it has all of Data's knowledge but with Lore's intention to hurt Starfleet. At least with the people checking the windows we know we're not back to a stupid window for a viewscreen. Why can the Enterprise E do big fast movements during combat, but this newer ship slower than a tanker? Why are the torpedoes exploding on impact with a federation ship? Aren't they supposed to follow the target, not just firing off into a straight line and not stopping until it hits something? I hope the changelings don't all look like blood and guts, as we've seen the liquid state in test tubes on DS9. Worf keeps losing and regaining his front bottom row of teeth, it's like he has his own teeth in one scene and then he has some false teeth on the bottom in the last episode which looked really stupid. Riker yells to fire everything they've got but then only fires 3 torpedoes. They should have been using phasers, and they could also have used the phasers to blow up those torpedoes. I'm guessing the bad woman will save the Titan as they could have destroyed it loads of times by now, and they are also flying the ship as if the nebula has only one way out, but in a real nebula literally every direction will lead out.

[@freagarthach4228]

What's with 17 seconds? Are you telling me Riker counted how much it took him to get to sickbay to see his newborn son? No way. He would be having a mind stupor after hearing that something is wrong. Or did he ask the computer later? That also would be silly. People in sickbay disappear suddenly and only Picar and Crusher are the only one left. To talk. In sickbay. During a crisis. So, when Troy asked for whiskey, does it mean she knew it was the real alcohol and she wanted to get drunk? I thought alcohol was banned or replaced with synthetol...

[@NitpickingNerd]

Maybe counted it some other time he went to sickbay

[@Hlbkomer]

Isn't she also breast feeding? But sure let's have her drink alcohol. Nerd you make an awful lot of excuses for this terribly written show.

[@marcoyole610]

Possibly the shapeshifters have become more sensitive since their illness. We saw Worf (accidentally?) vaporize the shapeshifter.

[@jhouston6]

Vadic is also scarred. She could be a changeling that got the same sentence as Odo. She is stuck in human form. Could be a possibility.

[@freshofbreathair1476]

I thought the same that it was out of character for Picard to be the one who wants to fight. I guess it’s First Contact Picard. Or because he’s a robot now.

[@RetrofIex]

Will you cover the new Mandalorian season 3 debut episode?

[@NitpickingNerd]

it was ok . don't have that much to say about it yet :/

[@mikcnmvedmsfonoteka]

@@NitpickingNerd It was just pew pew, and felt in a way just like some video game with few side quests lol!

[@axelhopfinger533]

Better wait a few more episodes to judge if it is even worth reviewing this Baby Yoda merchandise marketing show.

[@shebakoby]

I have to wonder if it'll be anything like the fake wormhole in Voyager... (in the nebula)

[@ThomasHaberkorn]

the name of this channel is quite apt. great content

[@whitelightning5439]

The energy from an explosion that causes a shock wave in the atmosphere would still be transmitted between objects and absence of that atmosphere in space.

[@NitpickingNerd]

It would be in different form . Not kinetic

[@whitelightning5439]

@@NitpickingNerd if it isn't then that energy would not transfer to the atmosphere to create the shock wave either. There is actually a proposed type of space engine that propels the craft by using the force fron nuclear explosions. As well energy is energy like how solar sales work with energy transmitted across space from the nuclear furnace we call the sun.

[@hansdampf6916]

I'm not a fan of the changeling plot so far. Maybe if they bring back Laas, who went out to find the other lost changelings and who had a real distaste for humanoids, maybe that would make it better.

[@homononsapiens2265]

But how is the attack with the portal and blaming it on a romulan a diversion from another even more dangerous thing? I mean people at daystrom would/should check what else was stolen and could be used as weapon regardless who stole it. It works as false trace but not as a distraction.

[@DrLeroyGreen]

I too was hoping they'd return to the Conspiracy bugs from Season1. That loose end has ALWAYS bothered me. Some places banned or ordered that ep to be edited as "too hard for TV". They could get away with that now! I know that it was just to save on casting, but I was REALLY HOPING that Vadak's crew were those bugs in normal form. We still haven't seen Moriarty.

[@deanthemachine8879]

It would make more sense that the Changelings involved now were deep cover at the end of the Dominion War and never got back to the Link to get the virus or its cure and found out about the Dominion losing the war and said “fuck that! We’re not surrendering” and continued to do a Fifth Column operation instead of joining Odo’s more peaceful Link

[@NephritduGrey]

Hm, I just hope they don't do a reverse DS9 and what they stole is a bioweapon/virus which would infect all non changelings to either pfff liquify them or turn them into unstable beings. Also it would still have been better if the female window watcher would have been the Changeling not the already unlikeable guy, but I guess it'll always be the most obvious choices they go for in this season. (Like with how after the warrior talk it turned out to be Worf as handler) But the reasons Beverly gave haven't been great, especially in the context that she and her son are doing a dangerous job while apparently also breaking the law... so safety wasn't her biggest concern. Which makes Beverly quite the un-nice person and as usual Dr. Crusher gets a bit screwed by the writing (like for the movies). Also sure she gave the son the choice...but she could also have informed Picard about having a son but him (son) not wanting any contact and that he (Picard) should respect that, oh and also include a big fat apology for being a liar for 18 (?) years...which given that the 32yrs old dude is supposed to be twenty only leaves like 2 years for him to contact his father..or rather copy of his father as Picard died after all. Also good point about Picard quitting Starfleet and residing in a new mansion/vineyard/but still the same/Picard doesn't have consistency with previous Lore xD... that quite a few of her (It's a fake) worries are lifted. Also Beverly is still weird for naming her child after her dead husband who was friends with Picard. Weird... Since when Is Picard the aggressive one? Basically since the TNG movies and Picard (series) follows after them so yeah he's a loose cannon now. Also yup just for the artificial tension between them as excuse for "character development" down the line. Hm, maybe we will get a good scene later on where it turns out Ralphy is actually a changeling too who replaced the old one before Season 1 started and gets killed by Worf close to the finale. that would be great, also would explain her willingness to lie and torture if they guy wouldn't really be hurt by it anyway. The killing to make sure one one way or another kinda has the "If she floats she's a witch" feeling to it, as in it makes it dumb when one thinks about it, as we have seen in DS9 a phaser set on widebeam and a certain strength would also reveal changelings (right?). Hm, given that changelings are involved, would Moriarty and Lore be back or will that only be forms used by changelings and for the bait and switch (literally) for the trailers? Yeah, sad that "fire everything" doesn't include a single phaser mount on the exterior of the ship, I guess they are scheduled to be installed on Tuesday (or whatever the running gag was in Generations). Also didn't they lose warp energy aka the main energy of the ship? Like shouldn't the shields drop then and they could simply beam Jack out? But I guess it would make sense if they negotiate a surrender now (so they can copy Star Trek III with the turning death into a chance to live or something) given that it sems we see Vadek hm... Vedek...oh no a bajoran infiltrator xD Anyway... her in the corridor of some Starfleet looking ship/facility. I guess at this point I just hope it'll make sense in the end of the day and isn't just a series of coincidences without any plan.

[@Dreadtothink]

@8:29 or maybe there is another changeling onboard the Titan who this one reports to

[@LancetFencing]

I really don’t like how sluggish the ships seem in these new episodes if you remember, from the first episode of TNG that the enterprise a galaxy class starship could swap around almost like a fighter.

[@dr.nigelcool3771]

How many episodes will they hang out in the "nebula?" In Wrath of Khan, what was it, 15 minutes?

[@homononsapiens2265]

As a positive I would like to mention that the Titan's phaser shot actually looked and sounded like a phaser beam and not like the now omnipresent pulsed phaser. I would like to see phaser beams from handweapons as well. I know , this is maybe not even an issue but still this visual detail counts as a positive point for me. So far has it come ...

[@RoySchl]

she definitely said deuterium and it was completely dumb, just like most of the rest of that episode, glad you liked it for once, but all the things you mentioned (and you found even more than me) make this show still almost unwatchable even though it's much better than the previous ones, but better does not mean good.

[@satrougha]

There's still some dumb elements but it's great to feel a genuine human emotion of enjoyment watching newly produced star trek content. 3 episodes of this season and i'm letting my guard down and getting my hopes up.

[@deanthemachine8879]

In DS9, Sisko gets a regular birth control shot. He forgets during the stress of the Dominion War and gets Kasidy pregnant, so birth control is much more available and egalitarian in the 24th century

[@letshaveadiscussion1122]

The first two episodes arent so great, they're not bad, but from now on, the episodes get better IMO. I really liked the space battles and Worf being a badass.

[@jamespatrik6350]

If you switch on the english subtitles during the scenes with Vadic on her ship, then you might get an unintentional spoiler!

[@Sorel2020]

She warned him against Starfleet because some Starfleet officers tried to kill them. Jack mentioned it in episode one or two I believe.

[@NitpickingNerd]

why would they think they were actual starfleet officers and not some guys dressed like them

[@Sorel2020]

@@NitpickingNerd Why would they have reason to think that? Crusher don't even know why the antagonists are after Jack. Let alone that they want him enough to impersonate Starfleet Officers.

[@NitpickingNerd]

@@Sorel2020 so her assumption is that the entire starfleet can't be trusted because a few guys dressed like starfleet tried to kidnap them ?

[@Sorel2020]

@@NitpickingNerd Her assumption is that she doesn't know who is and isn't Starfleet. Because we don't know who those officers where, especially considering now we (the audience) know changlings are involved. They could have impersonated officers she knew.

[@wordballoon]

Love your show. Marta the Iman changeling in ST 6 did smoke.

[@NitpickingNerd]

Different kind of changeling

[@marcoyole610]

Right, I didn't think of that. In addition, the old films are the reference. Contrary to what was initially assumed, they deliberately put a cigar in Vadic's mouth

[@freagarthach4228]

I guess now it's somewhat obvious what the plot of this season is about: Changelings have taken form of Federation members or StarFleet officers to create sabotages and conspiracies, so that everyone would think it's the real StarFleet who does it. And I think Vadic is also deceived by them, and later they will make peace and confront the Changeling threat together. Or something like that.

[@stopgeorge]

According to what has been revealed through CC, Vadic's birdmen are actually changelings themselves.

[@richardmcgowan1651]

Was kind of just watching it and kind of just enjoying it. Then Worf gave his little line and it got a good laugh out of me. Then the Changeling showed themselves and it got really good. Just hope they do something with them.

[@SoyElDiabloRojo]

Ehhhh a nebula is a tiny tiny TINY fraction of the atmospheric pressure of Earth's sea level. It would make no meaningful impact. They just wanted to make a reference to Voyager when they shot a torpedo with a phaser to make a somehow bigger big badda boom. It was silly then and silly here.

[@NitpickingNerd]

Real nebulas yes but in star trek its like a cloud and sometimes even denser

[@Dreadtothink]

@27:01 worf was always a crap shot lol

[@Woodrow0]

I was wonding if the thing they're falling into is a changeling considering the nebula has biological energy signatures. Supposedly they can slightly change mass.

[@axelhopfinger533]

Would have to be a pretty damn big Changeling, because such a nebula is lightyears across and still full of billions and trillions of metric tons of various mass. Stellar nebulae aren't just gaseous clouds floating in space, but pretty large areas full of solar systems, asteroids and stellar mass.

[@ChrisParlett]

Maybe the bugs are a way for the Changelings to control subordinates, like the White did.

[@Wormholegrease]

The movie it played off of was ‘crimson tide’

[@zignamuclickclickk]

The line of "you arrogant ass you killed us" is from Hunt for Red October.

[@Wormholegrease]

@@zignamuclickclickk yes that was but the episode had a lot more similarities to crimson tide

[@zignamuclickclickk]

@@Wormholegrease Sorry, I made that comment more about Nitpicking Nerd's comment in his video about that line from Hunt for Red October. But, yes you are right, the episode had themes from Crimson Tide... but with a lot less professionalism, more whining, fake drama, and absolutely no consequences for mutiny. 🤪 Maybe the writers should have just copied Crimson Tide shot for shot.

[@nyny]

I kind of wondered if the aliens are the like a Jem'Hadar, it looks like the got some little tube things

[@cha02psc]

I seem to remember Tuvok blowing up a torpedo with a phaser beam in Voyager 🤔 Also I predict CGI uncanny valley Odo later in the season 😞 Finally I just didn’t buy the Riker Picard tension at the end. Granted Riker is a captain in his own right now, but I can’t imagine him ever sending Picard off the bridge in disgrace. Picard dismissing Worf in FC made sense because he was Picard’s subordinate and Picard was unhinged (he yelled at Riker about Hugh in “I, Borg”, as well, so that wasn’t really out of character for Picard) But Picard was always Riker’s surrogate dad. I think they went too far in this episode in the name of conflict and drama. I’ve only watched it once - plan to give it a second viewing. Maybe it’ll improve the next time around. At the moment, though, I’d say this was the weakest entry so far.

[@positronichypersonic4928]

What about how they would’ve just beamed to sickbay instead of taking the lift?

[@NitpickingNerd]

Its just a 17 second trip . Calling for the transporter wouldnt save that much time

[@scockery]

Risk inter-ship transport when you're under attack?

[@NitpickingNerd]

@@scockery if the ship suddenly shakes you end up inside a bulkhead

[@positronichypersonic4928]

@@NitpickingNerd I disagree. It takes 3 seconds to ask for a transport to sick bay and 3 seconds to complete the transport. The lift is 11 seconds longer.

[@NitpickingNerd]

@@positronichypersonic4928 if the ship shakes slightly you end up inside the wall

[@thequantumnexus4270]

Mostly, I enjoyed the episode. The best from Picard so far, for sure. I'm happy with the rogue Changeling twist, but I think there's more to the story. Also looking forward to some paranoid "who's the imposter?" scenes. Also, I do love a good 1 on 1 in Star Trek. It's when they do the best battles. Balance of Terror, Wrath of Khan, Best of Both World's (mostly), Equinox. Arguably Nemesis, but I was probably one of the few to enjoy that movie. The whole concept is Star Trek at it's best. It's been long established that warp core coolant is toxic, giving it a name (I think she said beuterium?) is neither here nor there. It's fine. It's a toxic gas and leaking it works as a trail. Looking out the windows was silly, but in Wrath of Khan the nebula that interfered with sensors also filled the viewscreen with static. So not totally insane, just an advanced tech being useless situation, an acceptable trope. Most nitpicks I can handwave away. The one that I really didn't get was Picard going all warmonger. So out incredibly out of character. Was it a ruse? Maybe they knew about the Changelings? Maybe he's a Changeling? I just didn't like it. The way they worked together perfectly for the concussion torpedo was as I expected, but Picard constantly pushing to fight? How many times in the entire of TNG did he even order then to fire phasers except as a last resort? Getting away is the goal, not winning the battle. It makes no sense. Hope they explain it.

[@trueLuminus]

21:54 Since the Changeling became him. That's when.

[@letshaveadiscussion1122]

Terry Matalas has said he was inspired by Hunt For Red October, which btw is one of the best movies ever made so I don't mind this at all

[@Knightfall182]

If they had done the parasite thing from TNG, audiences would have seen it as a Last of Us ripoff.

[@InAnimateGamer]

DS9 was essentially a Babylon 5 ripoff but it still was a good show (with even better deviated distinctions IMO) regardless. You might as well say that the rogue/splinter Changelings are copying the Drahk (a servant race of the Shadows in B5) continuing the work their masters have ultimately abandoned with the conclusion of the Shadow War. Good storytelling would usually "forgive" similar elements.