Star Trek: TNG Review - 5x23 I, Borg | Reverse Angle

[@OakCityGamers]

Still the best Star Trek recap show on KZbin!

[@barkbentley4657]

No way. All they do is complain about things that mostly make sense

[@Outerwebs]

I can't help but wonder just how desperate and creepy Geordi would have behaved if it had been a lady Borg?

[@ronin7997]

At first I thought ew, but then I remembered 7-of-9...

[@mikeluit3027]

Its the Visors! Geordi; I don't always where shades, but when I do, I where the visors! Stay oblivious my friends.

[@Doomclown]

Then maybe they could've made a joke about Spiderman 3 Tobey Maquire.

[@stepforwardentertainment715]

Read “Vendetta” by Peter David. You’ll have your answer.

[@Thrakus]

I want to see a night out with Harry Kim and Geordi.

[@bad-people6510]

11:30 You underestimate the amount of times James T. Kirk alone talked a robot to death in this franchise.

[@TimVerweij]

Talking to the collective: You are all individuals! Borg in unison: YES, WE ARE ALL INDIVIDUALS!

[@cosmicgreed2340]

One Borg: "I'm not . . . "

[@bad-people6510]

"Doctor Crusher, meet me in transporter room 2 with a medical away team." "Acknowledged." _Shows up alone_

[@cejannuzi]

Every time I see a Borg, I have to think of Edward Scissorhands.

[@combcomclrlsr]

McFadden looks amazing in this episode.

[@AquarianNomadic]

It's the 20 pounds of hair extensions

[@amazingfincher]

I love this Channel! Just started rewatching TNG and found you here, binge watched all Reviews! :D

[@ds3930]

This is one of my favorite episodes. Another one is where three borg had crashed and they started to remember their lives and have conflict. That was a voyager episode I think.

[@andrewblanchard2398]

SURVIVAL INSTINCT

[@damonledford180]

The shape looked like when you give spiders drugs compilation.

[@jagmarc]

unsolvable geometric paradox ? even more impossible: send them my wife

[@BurningFlamesofDivineDragon]

This was a strong episode I'd give it an A.

[@yanniklemm4108]

As a Kid I loved this Episode... I'm not so sure why now

[@RabidNemo]

Don't blame yourself there's definitely stuff as a kid that can draw you in It's easier to get lost in the magic of Star Trek

[@barkbentley4657]

Because it's a great episode. Don't let these 2 clowns fool you. They hate every episode of TNG. This is one of the best and all they do is shit on it.

[@cleverlydevisedmyth]

now I'm just going to assume Picard has been a Borg agent the whole time!

[@TheTogoRojo]

This channel is a hidden gem. Ill try sharing.

[@thewewguy8t88]

Yeah if you end up watching Voyager they really retcon the brog and somehow make them more creepy but somehow less of a threat it's a bit weird lol.

[@Shullf2011]

The Borg were very OP when Q introduced them. I think the writers had to nerf them more and more to fit them into the narrative.

[@September2004]

I wonder why Troi wasn’t a bigger part of this episode and why Hugh had no discussions with Data.

[@keithbaker1951]

I'm just thinking about how amazing of a future hugh has now he is free from borg control. He has a long healthy life ahead of him.. so long as he keeps his EYE on the prize. God Picard ruined everything 😪

[@SeaJay_Oceans]

The Enterprise Staff passed on the opportunity to reverse engineer useful Borg Tech #1 they should have reverse engineered the Borg personal Adaptive Shielding... A nice little fanny pack shield generator for all the Red Shirts to wear - similar to DUNE shielding Never get stomped by an alien again. Beverly's kindness murdered millions if not billions of Federation civilians and Star Fleet personell. The Federation could have replicated millions of 'low power' civilian shields to defend from projectile weapons and physical attacks, and 'High Power' Star Fleet models with a larger bubble : defending from Vacuum of space, gas, bio, & chem weapons.

[@ondrejnovotny3273]

Nice to see a positive rating to this episode, it is indeed a very good one. I'm now very curious how you guys will rate the next two episodes, one having a quite silly plot and the other being a fan favourite:)

[@mikeluit3027]

Ahhh, the "Inner Light" one of my Top 5 episodes. The "Next Phase" was ok, like the title it was transition/filler episode.

[@ondrejnovotny3273]

@@mikeluit3027 based on the Reverse Angle reviews up to date I think both Robert & Nick will give the Inner Light something like C, C- saying it's illogical boring ass episode with bad visuals:))

[@mikeluit3027]

@@ondrejnovotny3273 Interesting prediction. Not sure that will be so, but everyone has their own opinion, so... They gave the "Family" episode a B and B+ (which I thought close to what it should have been, I actually gave it an A, but I'm Picard biased) and that episode is much like the pace and set-up as "Inner Light". He, without a doubt, was the strongest actor in the group...not to say I didn't like a lot of the other actors. Just that character fit him like a glove. So, I'd be a little surprised if they didn't give that one a B or higher. But I've learned not to underestimate human nature and its variability.

[@RabidNemo]

Oh I've been waiting for this one ❤️

[@timthehuman1]

That venom joke definitely payed off I not only subscribed I liked the video too lol 😂

[@timmiller1954]

I don't get the reference. Comics?

[@RobertTLongway]

@@timmiller1954 correct, spider man villains

[@jakeschutz6342]

Come on you two, Hugh's last name has to be Gass....

[@Gauntlet1212]

I still think they should have taken the chance to destroy the borg, no matter the ethics of doing so. Every death caused by the borg after this is on them.

[@FlameG102]

well it's stuff that does come up later briefly. But I feel that despite Picard being the one who initially wants nothing to do with Hugh and just wants to use it as a plan to kill the borg- almost owes it to himself morally to try and change them instead. After all, he was assimilated, and managed to be saved. In theory, much like Hugh, Borg could come to change. Morally it's a choice someone like Picard *should* take as a character. Though it also speaks a bit to the kind of goody two shoes mentality of the TNG era federation in general. It isn't till the Dominion war that the federation starts to *truly* revert to more harsh militarism

[@Gauntlet1212]

@@FlameG102 I mean, that optimism is what I like about TNG era trek. But in case of the borg it feels a little misplaced.

[@FlameG102]

@@Gauntlet1212 I feel it's almost more essential given Picard's experience with the Borg. though it does contrast kind of jarringly with his behavior in first contact where he is totally devoid of that same compassion, which is the whole crux of his arc there. "you didn't even try [to save him]"

[@MichaelBrookham]

How nice to give it a B for Borg. I liked the episode, too. B for me, too.

[@blue_samurai_zero]

Just watched this episode. The most out-of-character thing was Hugh not immediately raising it's arm to inject anyone with nanites as soon as everyone's phasers were down & someone was within reach, like when Jordi was examining his arm or in Picard's office.

[@redobsidianobsidian]

I think the issue is that this episode came out before the movie and the Nano injections is from the movie so it probably didn't exist and Canon at least on screen Cannon

[@Greatermaxim]

They did in the future. They brought individuality to Seven of Nine and others.

[@TalkernateHistory]

Unfun fact: arguably the title of this episode is "I Borg", because there's no comma in the title card.

[@charlesvan13]

So we learn that the Borg have internet security worse than Windows Vista.

[@Rayman1971]

Space-Norton!!!!

[@mikeluit3027]

Beverly; "there's been no formal declaration of war". Cut to (kzbin.info/www/bejne/n2GqiGOMo9dsj8U) Airplane movie scene where the characters line up with weapons to take a shot at the hysterical woman. Good movie review. Right on the money about the Picard and Beverly being out of character/stupid. Thankfully story got better as the episode progressed. Also, the scene where Guinan tricks Picard into letting guard down was the best in this episode.

[@BintyMcFrazzles]

Why do the crew of the Enterprise think that sending Hugh back will spread his individuality? All individuals just get assimilated by the Borg and that individuality is erased.

[@saturn580]

The Borg have no regard for the lives of individual drones, so why would they hunt down the Enterprise to recover Hugh? And why would the Federation attempt to placate the Borg when they have already attacked Earth and declared their intent to assimilate all humans? Hugh could provide crucial info to the Federation and help them defeat the Borg, which makes him a threat to them. However that same possibility should also justify the Federation's risk of keeping Hugh on board the Enterprise.

[@3dartistguy]

Why don’t they just beam in an energy conduit into the cell?

[@carldagroundskeeper]

I was so irritated with Crusher in the meeting scene..."There's been no formal declaration of war." (facepalm) Based on EVERYTHING we've learned about them so far, does she really think the Borg are the type to bother with stuff like that? And the civilians thing? Seriously? lol

[@marvelsandals4228]

Did she forget that one time they kidnapped Picard, turned him into their spokesman, and had him tell all intelligent life forms in that area of the universe to surrender and be assimilated or die? Did she forget how they wiped out the main contingent of star fleet that was trying to stop them from going to and taking over Earth? If that's not war idk what is lol

[@carldagroundskeeper]

@@marvelsandals4228 Exactly! Lol. I wonder what Gates McFadden thought of this writing haha

[@ShamrockParticle]

Picard, Guinan and arguably the Borg seemed out of character and too easily changed, for the sole sake of a narrative contrary to their characters, though at least Guinan was decent early on. Are the Borg a race, or a bunch of races fitted with toasters and egg whisks slapped on to become their own new shiny metal race as a result? If the Borg saw Geordi like they had for Picard then he'd be assimilated just as quickly too. Then again, the Borg always are said to adapt. Except all the TV episodes and movies require they don't so they can be quickly defeated. Showing the collective the equivalent of an MC Escher painting won't destroy them any more than having them listen to MC Hammer records. I'd give this a D+ except they were brave to do more than just action schlock and made more of it work than otherwise, and this episode paves the way to a potentially better sequel... I remember that episode, hence the use of "potentially". 🤪 Still, this episode could have been felt less contrived.

[@ShamrockParticle]

If nothing else, at least Picard gets to revel in the original series trope where Kirk told a computer something illogical and then said computer promptly exploded, thus proving computers also had emotions too. 🥴

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

So all hitler did wrong was to declare war? Wow, beverly.

[@mikeluit3027]

The writers must have had it out for the Doctor in this episode. Jeez, you think they would have included the actress in helping to develop a better argument than this. I keep thinking about the scene in the "Three Amigos" but substitute "badges" with "Declaration with War".

[@Jones23Boy]

Loving this Channel. New Subscriber. I'm Kevin. Hi. I did the same thing you guys are doing, so I'm just gonna post my reviews in hopes you may invite me via video chat on a future review. Favorite Star Trek TNG Episodes: From most Favorite to least favorite: 1. I Borg: A single BORG unit is found separated from the Collective. While on board the Enterprise he is analyzed and interrogated to the point it stops spewing out the typical BORG threats and begins to question LaForge. What follows is a thoughtful excursion into cultural exchange with the enemy and the most fruitful ground this show as well as its other incarnations germinate the best stories and reasons why the show has remained beloved. This episode also works as a semi-sequel to Best of Both Worlds and this is best illustrated in the scene where Picard engages the BORG (now called “Hugh” by certain crew members, starting with Jordy and Dr. Crusher). And demands that it help him to assimilate the entire crew. The BORG named Hugh responds that Jordy does not wish to be assimilated” and that “Jordy is a friend”. After a lot of consideration, this is the one that I can watch over and over again.

[@KnightOwl_X7]

9:16 that's a damn good question, because it's annoying af

[@carlcromwell8713]

I, Bored

[@NOTHEOTHERGUY]

"Hugh"....as in "Hu" but not quite HUMAN.

[@shiningarmor2838]

11:13 You guys would hate Voyager

[@thegermanspino6186]

nice review, this was one of my fav episodes from this season. also what happened to the comments on the last vid?

[@reverseangle]

Should be fixed now.

[@macmcleod1188]

excellent.

[@jonathanbrown7250]

This single decision is so idiotic, so catastrophic, it's enough to rate Picard as the worst captain in Star Trek. Picard, after being kidnapped and worked over by the greatest threat Starfleet has ever known, now has a way to stop it and prevent millions from being assimilated. But brilliantly decides "Nah, my personal whim is way more important than any of that" Not to mention that decision on later came within a hair's width of causing Earth history to be wiped out - with the loss of 60% of the Enterprise crew But yeah, im sure that wouldn't have looked like betrayal, or at least dereliction, to a remotely realistic Starfleet: and they would have totally left him in charge of the fleet flagship

[@ringo8410]

I guess Picard just isn't as cool with genocide as you are.

[@claudegrenier3180]

@@ringo8410 thank gawd Janeway is cool lol

[@daviddiggens8841]

​​@@ringo8410perhaps you're cool with allowing the genocide of countless species because you can't understand the concept of self defense and just warfare and that destroying the greatest threat the galaxy has ever encountered is totally justified. Historically should we have allowed intractable and genocidal enemies to exist without fighting back because we didn't want to be reduced to their level? I don't think so Picard is responsible for countless deaths because he didn't want to take responsibility. It was necessary for future plots, but a horrifying decision

[@ringo8410]

@@daviddiggens8841 I'm not cool with genocide at all, whether it's the Borg in the name of so called "self defense" or it's the Federation. Picard did the right thing.

[@3dartistguy]

Why would Hugh wavy to go back theBorg after being freed from them? That’s like a freed Cuban wanted to go back communist Cuba.

[@mbaxter22]

This episode made about as much sense as Star Trek: Insurrection. Of course they would've tried to wipe out the Borg. Of course they would've taken the magic immortality particles from those hipster people in the Briar patch. Of course! ANY society, no matter how liberal, would do those things!

[@charlesvan13]

Both this and Best of Both Worlds are better than First Contact. They explored interesting ideas, while in First Contact Data fucked a borg, and the rest was just shooting.

[@fullyvictorious]

Nice

[@Ducky9976]

Hugh shows up in the new 1st season of the Picard show.

[@Mehwhatevr]

the argument that maybe he'll remember his individuality doesn't make sense to me. Picard surely "remembered" his old individuality before he was assimilated and that didn't make a difference. how many life forms fought for their individuality while being assimilated.

[@mikeluit3027]

Maybe its time-based. He, being a part of the collective longer.

[@Rolaric]

I think it did make a difference. The borg were only defeated in that encounter because of Picard's individuality making him able able to break through his conditioning and tell Data to command the borg to "sleep".

[@whitemouse2460]

Was this TNG episode written by an antivaxxer? It presents the same solution to "kill many by inaction or few by action" dilemma.

[@KristopherCharles]

There is no such dilemma. It is an individual decision to make. You can cry about people who don't want to take medical services for your benefit all you want it won't change reality. Also, imagine wanting a dystopia where people in power are allowed to strap you down and steal your organs for other people because it's for the greater good. You didn't need that half of your liver or that other kidney to live and are very unlikely to die in the process, after all, so why can't they? It is a moral imperative that you give it to them using your logic. You have to agree that this is okay. Otherwise it's your body your choice. It applies to all of those situations or none of them. Simple as that. You don't have to be against vaccines to understand the logic that you can't force people to take them without being morally bankrupt.

[@KristopherCharles]

There is no such dilemma. It is an individual decision to make. You can cry about people who don't want to take medical services for your benefit all you want it won't change reality. Imagine wanting a dystopia where people in power are allowed to strap you down and steal your organs for other people because it's "for the greater good". You didn't need that half of your liver or that other kidney to live and are very unlikely to die in the process, after all, so why can't they? It is a moral imperative that you give it to them using your logic. You have to agree that this is okay. Otherwise it's your body your choice. It applies to all of those situations or none of them. Simple as that. You don't have to be against the treatments to understand the logic that you can't force people to take them without being morally bankrupt.

[@KristopherCharles]

There is no such dilemma. It is an individual decision to make. You can cry about people who don't want medical intervention done on them for your benefit all you want. It won't change reality. Also, imagine wanting a dystopia where others are allowed to strap you down and take your pieces for other people because it's for the greater good. You didn't need that half of your liver or that other kidney to live and are unlikely to be overall put out in the process, after all, so why can't they yoink them? It is a moral imperative that you give it to them using your logic. You have to agree that this is okay. Otherwise it's your body your choice. It applies to all of those situations or none of them. Simple as that. You don't have to be against a thing to understand the logic that you can't force people to do it without being morally bankrupt.

[@andrewblanchard2398]

​@@KristopherCharles you mean like forcing GIRLS & WOMEN into forced PREGNANCY & BIRTH like the REPUBLICANS are doing in 2024

[@FRACTUREDVISIONmusic]

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