Star Wars Jedi Survivor Review No Spoilers (PC, Xbox, PS5)

[@Fextralife]

Written Review: fextralife.com/star-wars-jedi-survivor-review/ Live on Twitch: twitch.tv/fextralife 💖 Become a Fextralife VIP fextralife.com/Be-a-vip/ NOTE: THE AUDIO BUG WAS FIXED BY TODAY'S PATCH (APR 27, 2023), BUT THE PERFORMANCE WAS NOT!

[@Markoul11]

Despite what is said, performance wise, what is the difference between console and PC version of the game?...Denuvo DRM.

[@andrewmoon3409]

Sounds like a VRAM issue? 12gb not enough for high I bet.

[@VampireNoblesse]

thank the Series S for the poor PC ports.., console versions still usually sell more (primary focus), but instead of having more time on PC versions, time & resources are wasted on the Series S

[@ashroskell]

Since you ask, I don’t think it’s controversial to say that, A) Broken releases are the industry model now, and, B) That’s a damned shameful shame. It’s cheaper and saves more time if you only fix the most egregious bugs that get the biggest complaints, whilst allowing publishers to get away with a lot of flaws and bugs they weren’t sure about shipping. It’s also seen as a shadow-security measure too (or they tell themselves this) as it’s much more challenging to download bug fixes for a pirated game. That’s a short sighted and self defeating idea, but it’s there. We have to accept that we made a world in which the people who invest in these publishers don’t actually play, or even like video games, gamers or gaming culture. They trust algorithms and they know the market will always forgive them. And most of the investment groups are only around for individual projects, moving on like locusts to their next projects. Individuals like you and I can say smart stuff about how this is all morally reprehensible, exploitative and bad long term practice for the publishers themselves. But the people who own and work for those top publishers (at the top echelons at any rate) see their bank accounts increase to point that they will never have to work again for the rest of their lives, and it’s just hard to say no to that, regardless of passion for the art form. Yet, however insightful our arguments for the long term future of a publisher, just look at the evidence? CDPR, a company that released such a hyped, yet broken game, destabilising its nation’s economy in the process (look it up?) are already industry darlings again, due to the hardest working PR company on Earth, some Netflix Manga cartoons and the most slave driven devs on the planet. Yet that game is NOTHING LIKE what we were promised. Just a pretty looking world, with zero interactivity once you stray from the quest line. So, smart observations are pointless. Collectively, game consumers are a dysfunctional teen, with serious impulse control issues, mild racism, and an IQ far too low to notice when he (and the collective gamer is a, “he”) is being abused and exploited. If we knew that kid, we’d all say he deserved what he got. But the adults in the room all suffer because of him.

[@tschwifty8532]

Because of your review I cancelled my pc preorder and got it on ps5. I really appreciate this as I don’t get a lot of time to game. When I do game, I don’t want to hear every voice line three times at 3 fps. You’re basically a financial advisor!

[@huqqleberry2]

i usually buy most story-based games on console & pc have most multiplayer/arcade games (besides fifa but haven't bought anything after fifa 17 lol)

[@Nerm176]

I love a review where they say they’re not gonna spoil anything and they actually don’t. The story was good and I liked it- that’s all I need to hear about a games story. Talking about the premise of a games story is spoiling the story lol

[@moe64rox]

yeah, dont watch gamespot or IGN, they hit some story beats i would have much rather experienced on my own

[@HereToWatchNotRead]

Cal dies at the end to save bb an the new jedi girl. Your welcome. 😂

[@darksting77]

Totally agree, what gets on my nerves and it happend in Fallen Order, seeing the spoilery thumbnails on youtube.

[@borissmorkis2836]

​@@moe64rox it's so funny that their review is literally them just retelling story beats lol

[@meezfreak21]

No literally “The story starts by your father being murdered and you have to hunt down the killer” like bro I don’t wanna know that

[@MoralCertainty]

As much as I want to play this I'm going to try and overcome my FOMO and hope for some performance improvements first. Thanks for covering performance as most reviewers don't seem to bother.

[@15awesomehighfive]

Stay strong!

[@SaithMasu12]

IGN gave it a 9. Its not like IGN isnt get payed or anything,..... In no world this is a 9 with that performance

[@2canwin635]

@@SaithMasu12 so? Elden ring was a bonafide 10/10 and it had performance issues, a great game is a great game and some frame drops and bugs don’t change that

[@SaithMasu12]

@@2canwin635 Nice coping you got there. So Cyberpunk was a fine 9.0 you say? Get real

[@LVCRFT2023]

Ever heard of a day one patch?

[@humbukkerz]

Totally unacceptable that the PC versions of AAA games keep releasing in such an abysmal state.

[@Fextralife]

100% agree!

[@acnash27]

Everyone agrees and yet they keep coming out.

[@sepheronx]

It's our faults for pre ordering or paying big bucks for these broken games.

[@Skinnypete38]

Honestly, I think its because of the low VRAM that Nvidia 3000 series cards have. If you try to search for performance issues for newer games, its mostly on 3000 cards.

[@Teodor12311]

@@Skinnypete38 so 12gb isn't enough for you? I've seen a clip where this game took 19gb of fucking VRAM, in what world is that normal. The consoles have 12 at best allocated to gpu, rest is for cpu and other stuff, so your point is?

[@calvin3941]

Hey! Thanks very much for covering the in-game performance - your efforts are truly appreciated. PC releases have been quite disappointing for a while now, which is why I usually wait for Digital Foundry's tech reviews. The state of PC game releases is just a bit disheartening at the moment.

[@atmosphere1696]

i went through last of us and a lot of shitty optimized games and I've come to just accept it and when its fixed, its fixed. the only thing that wouldnt be nice if it isnt fixed would only be the audio, but non the less im still gonna play the game on my PC

[@XiLock_Alotx]

@@atmosphere1696 “come to accept it”. That’s incredibly sad to hear. I know there isn’t anything you can do, save for not buying multi platform games on PC at launch. But it speaks volumes of how PC ports are handled when one says that.

[@jonpro9637]

@@atmosphere1696 If you want the game to run properly buy an AMD card with 16 - 24 gb of VRAM. Problem solved.

[@keanu7318]

fr i just refunded on steam and bought it on ps5 lol

[@nimbulan2020]

Well it saves us money. No point in buying at launch when just about every game launches broken.

[@redfatherfigure]

Pretty much my most trusted game reviewer at this point. Thanks for all that you do!

[@rayromano6249]

Imagine paying all that money on a gaming pc only to miss out on the best exclusives released each yr and multiplat games mot working properly lmao 🤦‍♂️. Ps is killing it 👍

[@Ltlasersnakes]

thank you for your honest review, a lot of people out there absolutely avoiding having to talk about performance. The same thing happened with cyberpunk and people were shocked to find out it wasnt this 10/10 game that reviewers kept mentioning before release.

[@Dre1_]

Those audio bugs are INSANE 💀

[@thangrt]

It's not a 'PC' problem. It's a 'developers not giving a shit about PC' problem.

[@SaithMasu12]

Its also running terrible on consoles ^^

[@gavinderulo12]

​@@SaithMasu12 not nearly as bad as on pc. The consoles have some framedrops here and there, but the performance modes are mostly at 60. While on pc a 4090 hovers around 35-40 fps at 1440p.

[@barrysmithhy1583]

@@SaithMasu12 no it isn't. it runs MUCH better on consoles. the 9/10 reviews are all from console. the pc ver is much lower

[@MrHardcoreMode]

@@SaithMasu12 maybe but they would focus on consoles more because thats here the majority of their players are. Pc is a hard 3rd.

[@bomjur]

​@@MrHardcoreMode with these kind of ports - yeah, I bet. Probably will have bigger playerbase on Nintendo ds at some point.

[@armaniesingletary8979]

This was a way above the top review i have seen in a while not just for star wars but gaming in general. The use of time stamps and how well in depth you understood what an audience would want to see was perfect. Especially liked the fact you considered this was a sequel to a game and compared the original to the newest edition to the series. Audio was crisp and by god dammit someone needs to hire this guy as a game reporter.

[@acnash27]

A game breaking bug like that audio sync I could actually see getting fixed in a day 1 patch. The general performance/framerate.. yeah that’s not going to change. Idk how people don’t realize that if it was that easy to fix they would’ve fixed it by now, these day 1 patches never resolve performance issues this severe. We’re looking at months to years before this broken mess is fixed, if it ever will be. Such a monumentally huge bummer as someone with a high end PC and no console. I was so looking forward to this game.

[@Ltlasersnakes]

sadly the audio bug still exist today for fallen order, for a lot of people. i wouldnt hold my breath on that one.

[@goodzorr]

I thought my PC was being whack (watching in 4k) but it was just the stutter from the game! That's nuts. Thankfully I've preordered on XBSX. Very informative and as usual, spoiler free. GG, my man!

[@k1z4cz3k]

Some reviewers said it runs below 60fps 95% of the time in Performance mode with really bad graphics.

[@gamesmaster1060]

It ironic that you say that because itspartly this dumb pre order culture that is causing this

[@rewpertcone8243]

​@@k1z4cz3k they didn't say really bad graphics but yes it is chugging below 60fps

[@Ltlasersnakes]

@@k1z4cz3k there was an official xbox reviewer on metacritic that got the day one patch early and said that it resolved 99% of his performance issues and it plays near 60 fps at all times without issue.

[@stock1870]

@@Ltlasersnakes was that at 4K?

[@t0ny_708]

Poor PC performance prevented me from playing Fallen Order for maybe an entire month after release until it was patched. Super disappointing to hear its happened again.

[@witchkid66]

that first audio bug was hilarious lmaoo

[@beeelcee]

Thank you so much for saving me $70. I'll keep an eye on the PC performance in the future.

[@YeOldeMachine]

Glad to hear it's darker and more mature than Fallen Order. That was my biggest complaint along with the crappy dodge

[@TheREALHugo4]

So what. Who cares. Star wars is trash as always.

[@slavicsquidward4448]

@@TheREALHugo4 who cares. Lightsabers go woosh woosh stab.

[@davidholliday1054]

"Nononononono no traffic" don't know why but got a decent tickle out of that

[@BrokenNoah]

8:23 "...be very, very cautious about buying PC titles in the future..." In the future? This has been happening for a quite a while now to say the least

[@jjuta1]

Great Review! Having more RPG-like choices in upgrades would've been nice but I definitely do not support the idea of Gear Score or RNG loot drops for this type of game

[@Fextralife]

I was hoping for more static loot, like a lightsaber in a hidden chest there or a cool blaster from beating a tough boss. Definitely not random loot!

[@kingzach74]

@@Fextralife I just got the game a day or two ago and I really wish there was something like that. Some kind of true upgrade is better than none and cosmetics are pathetic wastes of time. Like why would I bother wasting time collecting and looting everything if they don't actually do anything other than just look different. Most of the time in game the only things you'll see are the lightsaber blade.

[@OldKingMaple]

Thank you for doing this review with no spoilers, this is why I avoid reviews on games I want to play. This was perfectly done, telling the player what they can expect without telling them what they can expect. Cheers :) 😃

[@gillessooben]

Sad to hear about the audio bugs. I just finished replaying Fallen Order ahead of this release and was shocked that they haven't fixed the sync issues in cutscenes which absolutely ruin important story sections of the game. Hope they patch things here ASAP. Is the map any better this time around? Thx for the spoiler free review!

[@dynastes4938]

What issues are those? Fallen Order runs flawlessly for me, aside from the odd stuttering when shaders are being loaded (which is known to have never been fixed for any system).

[@gillessooben]

@dynastes On Ps5 most cutscenes are completely out of synch, by a lot. And now Survivor is unplayable for me on ps5 with HDR on.

[@dynastes4938]

@@gillessooben Alright. Never witnessed that problem on PC myself. Very annoying bug though. It is all the more disappointing then that they did bot manage to keep sound problems out of this game. Unreal Engine does not seem to be their thing apparently.

[@kingzach74]

@@gillessooben Maybe they have fixed the issues for PS5 by now, but I just got the game a few days ago and haven't had a single cutscene glitch or audio sync issue.

[@Entropic_Alloy]

Thank goodness they didn't go into a numbers based RPG game. Not all games need to have RPG elements, and frankly it is getting old.

[@baki484]

I agree the RPG stuff is definitely getting old.

[@bendre1997]

Did you enjoy the crossguard stance? I’m SO excited that they added it and everyone seems to be discussing the dual wield or the blaster.

[@Fextralife]

Yes! It was my second favorite!

[@bendre1997]

@@Fextralife that brings me so much joy

[@murigiwijenje6516]

@@bendre1997 Same, gonna be running Crossguard and Dual Wield. I really want to play super aggro/highly skilled

[@evanstrong4064]

the audio bug part is brutal

[@denisruskin348]

Thanks for the PC perfomance. 1440p60fps High would be ok for a UE5 title, but not this, considering it's a 3080Ti. But that's the small issue. Seems they learned NOTHING from the constant shader stutters in the original. Shame, was looking forward to this but I will not support these kind of ports.

[@LordRockington83]

Thanks for confirming the Xbox performance. All the big outlets only reviewed the PS5 version and they did report some performance issues, but nothing on the level of PC. I was debating PC vs XsX, but this review confirmed I'll be going with Xbox.

[@NoBrainah]

L

[@rookiemonster1704]

You chose the right console version

[@N0VA_30M3]

Thanks for not spoiling, so many of the reviews are doing that for some reason it's annoying and I will be coming back here for my reviews in future

[@JacobH2112]

Once I heard the game had meditation point fast travel, I'm 100% gonna buy it 😂

[@kellz9972]

One of my biggest issues replaying Fallen Order before release is hearing about these QoL updates that would make the game so much better.

[@HelicopterRidesForCommunists]

There’s a mod for that in Fallen Order just fyi if you wanted to go back and play/ replay it. Also a mod to add lightsaber burn marks whenever it is out not just on enemies. Oh and there’s also a mod to allow limb/ decapitation of humanoid enemies in addition to droids/ animals.

[@VmikeY99]

Thanks for sharing info on the PC performance. I was thinking about buying the game, because I really liked Fallen order, but the fact that it's so unstable on PC as well as it needs almost rocketship requirements, my PC barely hits the minimum, I might be skipping playing this game because I don't have a console. I couldn't wait to play this game, but as it stands right now it does not worth my money if its going to be all studdery with FPS drops which make the experience far worse. I really hope developers will start to care more about the PC ports, because this is not the first game that comes to PC in an unacceptable state in the last ~1 year. For AAA games I think the standard would be like God of War, when the PC port was done for the 2018 game. That was such an amazing port I had absolutely no issues, it ran smooth, no studdering and even overperformed what Santa Monica estimated.

[@gavinderulo12]

My pc could be considered a rocket ship with a 4090 but it still runs like ass on that gpu. I might just get this on ps5.

[@LeadSails]

@@gavinderulo12 same, 4090 and 7800X3D here, if I can’t run it on the best cpu and gpu out here then I guess i’ll just wait. I wasn’t going to spend the full $100 anyways I was just going to buy a month of EA Play Pro instead.

[@gavinderulo12]

@@LeadSails the game is really cpu bottlenecked. Most reviews I've seen were running it on a 5800x. I have a 13700k so maybe we are good. Gpu utilization is really low even at 4k so except for the vram usage the cpu is the main bottleneck. And with a 4090 vram issues aren't really an issue.

[@LeadSails]

@@gavinderulo12 i’m getting around 75 fps average so far maxed out in 4K RT epic. So far so good. We’ll see what happens when I reach more open areas.

[@gavinderulo12]

@@LeadSails ok that's not too bad. But your cpu is better than mine for gaming. I have a 13700k. Wonder how relevant that is.

[@itsburnsiestreams]

I really appreciate you having BOTH PC and Xbox performance notes in this review. I've got an RTX 4080, but based on this review I think I'll pick it up for my Series X instead. I'm just glad I have the choice... sucks that PC Ports are shipped like this these days. No excuse for it IMO.

[@morbillionaire]

Holy shit those audio bugs were some ytp level shit 😅

[@mind-less]

A more honest review than all those so called 'BRUTALLY HONEST' reviews over the net. Respect. 🤜🤛

[@Jasta85]

Thanks for the review, especially regarding technical issues on PC, as that's exactly what I was waiting to find out about before deciding whether to pick this up. I'll wait till it first goes on sale and then see how performance looks at that time.

[@roberthaisfield3349]

The general reason it’s easier to get good performance on console than PC is because with consoles, the developers have specific targets to go for, and test whether they reach them on all consoles. PCs can have all sorts of different technical specs so it's harder to test whether you've reached better benchmarks. Doesn’t make it suck less, but that’s a big reason.

[@TheDravic]

Nah. That is a terrible excuse and it ignores hundreds of PC games that work very well, dozens of AAA games work really well in the recent times, and on top of that - these issues often get fixed post launch. This is literal PROOF that they should spend the time fixing them BEFORE THE GAME IS RELEASED.

[@ShruteshKumar]

Nah, thats just an excuse. Plenty of games release with zero issue on PC; e.g. Atomic Heart, Dead Island 2 have no issues on PC and they too released this year. This is just lazy development, since PCs are more powerful, optimization is not as important and the devs expect the extra power to just bruteforce through the game. Which does not work with modern game engines.

[@gavinderulo12]

​@@ShruteshKumar I wouldn't call it lazy development as I'm sure the devs worked their asses off. The better term is rushed development.

[@Pan_done]

@@gavinderulo12 Yep. This is just something that has become common in video games

[@joshuam4993]

Yes, we know that. But this is particularly very bad optimization. When a 4090 is running it at sub 30 fps at 1440p u know it's bad

[@teragrym]

Keep up the great work Cas and Fex!

[@deaddroth666]

one of the best reviews I've seen of a game on the internet, I'm not getting the game but the review is top notch, thanx for showing the performance issues and comparisons with consoles, how is traversing the environment this time around, do you have to lap the entire planet if you missed something in-between sections like it was in Fallen order, how is the checkpoints placement? also how does dodging feel, is it still as clunky the video may not capture this correctly but the animation in general (running/ shooting/ hanging) looks a bit off TBH,

[@MAJR9125]

They should've made it an option in this game to choose to go to the darkside or stay on the lightside. Whatever decision you make in this game would change the outcome of the 3rd game, either darkside ending or lightside ending. Wouldn't that be cool. You start out as a padawan and become a jedi. In the first game. Second game you make your decision and third game you execute your decision

[@DrunkenRhinoceros]

Re: Game performance on PC. The PC space does not have representation from Big Producers like Sony or Microsoft, that can leverage it's strength towards development houses. The PC base is only as loud as it's user base, and only after development concludes. It's sad to see this trend and AMD and Nvidia need to step in if they plan to market PC parts, lest the PC base gets shunned for it's lack of leadership.

[@Neovalen]

You would think Microsoft would have a vested interest since they have the dominant OS in the space on PC.

[@2709rahulravindran]

@Neovalen the problem is that windows is dominant. So Microsoft doesn't need to give 2 shits about it. Since there isn't legit competition

[@AGuitarMetal91]

Sad to hear about the audio bug, still an issue on the ps5 version of Fallen Order......

[@MukiMuki688]

Soulsbourne gameplay and StarWars lore are a perfect match

[@bmdshred77]

Well I just bought 7900xt and was excited to play this. Looks like I may wait few weeks.

[@blackthorne1497]

i am playing this game on PC (on an Asus gaming laptop), with no audio or FPS issues. It is a good game, but calls for you to use all your patience, platforming skills, and melee skills you have ever had to use all wrapped into to one game.

[@oliverdepauw5663]

Work has been tough today waiting to get home and dive in, super excited to explore the lightsaver customization

[@brad6489]

Great review! I appreciate the heck out of the performance comparison. Debating between purchasing on PC or console and I was having doubts after reading about performance issues on PC. I prefer to own games on Steam but might pick it up on console for now. Considering how great RE4 remake runs and looks, seeing a great game like this held back due to performance issues on PC is really frustrating.

[@DarkP1]

it's as dumb as a 4090 can't hold 60fps at 1440p, I was like ok PS5 has some dips here and there but PC is gonna run faster and crispier, what a bummer

[@jackmanleblanc2518]

The performance issues on PC are such a damn shame man. I guess I'll have to wait to see if those issues get fixed to buy this.

[@christopherdavidson17]

Performance issues aside, I'm really bummed there's no customization for builds... was hoping you could have a sort of Nioh set up where you can specialize in single saber, double saber, dual-wield etc etc. After your review this went from a Day 1 Purchase to a When-on-sale purchase

[@tonydeluna8095]

The wait is almost over, Survivor is almost here!

[@averagecartoonfan3519]

idk how you could be excited after seeing this

[@gavinderulo12]

​@@averagecartoonfan3519 if you're on console you're fine. Pc has the major issues.

[@scrobinja8566]

Thanks for the HONEST review!

[@samuelnunes4855]

Great review, and thank you for no spoilers. The only point I would disagree with is the customization. I very much like that it is cosmetic only. Otherwise, you end up with something that looks like good stats, instead of a good aesthetic. Many people just want a cool looking lightsaber, and not number crunching.

[@Mr.biggstrength]

Thank you for not spoiling

[@abaddon_the_annoyer3084]

In this day and age, It should be a requirement for the devs to disclose what system they play tested on, because I would like to know what the hell they base their requirements on if NOTHING runs properly anymore.

[@Markoul11]

Despite what is said, performance wise, what is the difference between console and PC version of the game?...Denuvo DRM.

[@TheMetalGaia]

The unfortunate thing about the PC performance is, I have a Steam deck too. I love being able to pick up a game where I left off on my desktop and continue on my Steam deck. I really hope that patch improves things.

[@davetheslayerfan9357]

Performance issues on PC are disappointing but not surrising. Let that sink in as a commentary of PC gaming in 2023.

[@thebarbaryghostsf]

that audio bug would make me feel like i'm losing my mind lol

[@orakaa]

Fextralife: "The audio is out of sync during cutscenes" *Me: "Well, it can't be that ba....... holy mother of Rancor !"*

[@Fextralife]

LOL

[@Obienobie]

I appreciate your PC vs console comparison. I cancelled my PC pre order and bought it for PS5 for day 1. Mods will take a while anyway

[@lorhoff]

That running animation tho 😂

[@gavinderulo12]

After seeing the pc performance that running animation is the least of my concerns.

[@lorhoff]

@@gavinderulo12 im on console, but I hear you, lots of questions around that PC performance

[@darksavior1187]

ON the PC vs Console thing; two reasons may be behind it. First, most consoles have a certification process before a game can release on them, to ensure it runs well and meets the consoles standards and will not diminish the company and its product in the eyes of their customers. PC doesn't. Second, PCs can have many different hardware configurations, consoles do not, they all have the exact same hardware. This makes it much easier for a developer to use a dev kit to specifically ensure compatibility with their game and the platform it is on. This is imo, why PC games suffer so many more issues than console games do, despite PCs being more powerful than consoles in terms of hardware.

[@Legiion513]

PC performance seems to be afterthought for most developers. Oh, well. I'm perfectly capable of waiting until it's on sale and the game is fixed.

[@TheHurinThalion]

never ever preorder any game and always wait for steam reviews getting decent - really a shame that you have to do it that way in 2023...

[@Hilmarrr]

Limiting the fps is a work around for the audio bug. In the cut scenes your fps, with a 3080, jumps to high values which reaults in the bug.

[@ChesterMan-qd3xj]

Just chiming in audio de synced in the last game and drove me nuts. Guess they didn’t learn their lesson there. Last game was fine, can’t say I am dying to blow 30 hours on this one. Nice review.

[@spencerbotine9802]

Thanks for the honesty on the issues with the PC version. I could get this on console, but with so much coming out in the next few months I may just wait until this is patched to an acceptable state on PC and play other titles until then.

[@christopherlin1129]

Thank you for the heads up

[@destingustave1997]

Honestly glad they didn’t add that much skill/power customization. Too many games have an unnecessary amount of RPG elements for no real reason

[@teddybear1342]

All you have to wait is about 12 hours after release if you want to purchase on PC. you will have tons of youtube vids and steam to help guide you. Worse case scenario you get EA play PRO instead for $15 which you can play the deluxe edition for this game. Just a little extra time so be patient.

[@Kari-SF]

Thanks for covering performance. I'm glad I didn't pre-order it for PC.

[@crazyfisting531]

The audio sync problem with speech was prevalent in Fallen Order also, but not as bad as what you had just shown…I mean WOW! 😅😂

[@MarkJacksonGaming]

-- Gut thought: Part of the performance problem is the security software. It is a needless resource hog. That was a crux problem with Hogwarts as well. Thing is Horgwarts isn't really a good comparison as it is a CPU not a GPU intensive game. But they got patches out for that one quick, and they made a lot of difference (having played on day on on PC - which was unplayable - memory leaks) to now where it runs pretty smooth on ultra. But thank you: I'm close to being done with Fallen Order for the first time today, and thought about picking up survivor. Went review hunting found this: I'll wait on it, see if performance improves.

[@alphatax2000]

Personally I think game developers just don't care about pc gamers in general simply because most pc games are also available on consoles. They seem to have the attitude "if you don't like it on pc, get the console version" which is a very poor attitude to have imo. It sucks because the only console I own is a Nintendo switch and consoles aren't exactly cheap. I'm so disappointed the pc version has so many issues. I'll wait for it to go on sale, definitely not getting it on launch day.

[@ionseven]

Damn. Definitely waiting to see if performance improves.

[@Morden97]

My take on these PC issues is that devs are lazy as hell with their PC work and they prioritize consoles bc they know that's the version that outlets will mostly review, and the version that will have the most advertising. Makes me mad tbh.

[@HelicopterRidesForCommunists]

Really hoping that this one has lightsaber burn marks whenever the lightsaber is out and touches something, and also really hoping that humanoid enemies can be dismembered/ decapitated and with more variation. FYI there are mods that do both of these for Fallen Order if anyone wants to go play/ replay it - in addition to a mod for fast travel through meditation spots.

[@bjones243]

From what I've seen so far you can't decapitate humans or humanoid aliens, but you can take of their limbs now

[@HelicopterRidesForCommunists]

@@bjones243 That’s good to hear because I haven’t seen any of it in the footage yet

[@kingzach74]

Cool thing here, Jedi Survivor as you continue through the first few hours of the game you automatically unlock the ability to fast travel between Meditation spots(no mods required). You don't get it right from the start but it unlocking after a few hours in is pretty nice(better than Horizon Zero Dawn(or Forbidden Worlds) where it took significantly longer to unlock). Shame Jedi Survivor isn't a true open world game though. :(

[@bathsaltshero]

trend of the last year is that if u want a game to run proper on pc AND have entirety of the content that was hyped it would have - gots to wait 12+ months the day 1 became the new early access. we need new terms in the industry ...

[@Menzo88]

I cracked up during the audio bugs section of this review lol

[@Surkai25]

Guess I'll keep an eye out on patch notes before purchase. Really think developers are doing this as a way to get more console sales.... Almost like it's on purpose.

[@GELV294]

Thanks you for the video. This epidemic has been ever present for pc, which sucks. Ports are rarely 100% functional on pc

[@slickflexx]

Idk if adding armor elements make sense I mean we’re talking about Jedi who are for the most part normally just wearing robes it’s there strength in the force that protects them but I know cal is not your traditional Jedi so it would’ve been interesting but not necessary/ plus if you explore your able to add perks that give certain buffs to combat and what not

[@gk4204]

It makes me wonder if they make a worse product for PC just to make people buy it on console. Thank you for the info.

[@VexJinks]

I disagree with Fextralife's comments that they felt the first game's story was aimed at juveniles. The reviewer seems to attribute this with the lack of new lore in Fallen Order or how it didn't really move the larger story of Star Wars along, and I think that this is just a wrong way to look at it and saying that the story we was aimed at juveniles because it lacked lore is just incorrect. Lore is more often designed for juveniles, usually at the detriment of a real story. Fallen Order had a real story about picking ones' self up by their bootstraps when they fail, dealing with the past, finding one's way, and moving on to be a more mature human. How is a story about human struggles "aimed at juveniles"? It's just a silly way of thinking. I haven't played the new game yet, but if there's more "thrills" to be had, I'm for it, but don't diss the first games story because there was a "lack of lore". Cal is actually a pretty deep and likeable character.

[@Uro_Boros]

"T T T T T T T T T T T - Traffic" this one got me 😆

[@ImmortalSugimoto792]

I don't really see anyone else with this criticism, but the main thing I did not like about the first game was the level design. So many parts of the world seemed to exist only to show off certain mechanics which made areas feel unnatural and unimmersive. It doesn't seem like Survivor changes that up with the footage I have seen.

[@yochief-wy6tk]

I’m playing it now for first time. Mainly cause I just got a series x two months ago. Love it looks amazing and frames are now imo stable

[@theq80gamer]

On ps5 I get frame drops each time a new area loads on performance mode. I think EA/Respawn skipped the optimization part, and we have to wait for patches. At least they acknowledge the performance issues of the PC port with a Twitter post.

[@tonyredgrave3839]

Thanks for the amazing work Just A REALLY IMPORTANT QUESTION TO MAKE AN INFORMED DECISION : Does the game have dual sense features on PC please ?

[@gamesandmoreAA]

I think there is no harm in having elements and difficulty similar to souls like games, I personally love a challenge in defeating bosses. This game looks fun though, thanks for the review 🤗

[@acezero12345]

These are dark times. The console strikes back. 😂 🤣 🎉

[@Aliens_Project]

Thank you so much for your review🎉 After all major reviewers had performance probems with the PS5-Version (Pre-Day1?) i was not in a good mood for my Xbox Series X. How long have you played your Series X-Run?

[@sawdust8691]

Really is unfortunate that games on PC perform so poorly recently. I don't know why this has become a trend. Hopefully it changes soon.

[@SaithMasu12]

9:21 can someone make a beat with that?

[@crzyces1693]

Some tips for PC players To play at 1440P/High+ you *NEED* a 16GB GPU. It is a 100% *must have* if you want to be able to keep lows over 50 FPS You *need* the optimal RAM for your CPU. For Zen 2 and 3 and 4; that's 3200 cl 14-14-14-2x *OR* 3600 cl 16-16-16-2x. Zen 4 it's 6000 cl 30. Because the GPU and CPU do not share memory they are passing information back and forth unlike consoles that share the same memory pool, having the best RAM for your system (in the case of Zen the big thing is the ring BUS and the timings, but if you are OC'ing your IF then I'm sure you know what RAM speed works best, so with 3600 you'd want it set at 1800 for instance). The game on a Gen 3 NVMe, with a good SATA SSD/m.2 being the absolute worst case scenario. Right now this game doesn't seem to care much about the CPU cores. It seems to only tax 4 cores, and even they typically aren't maxed out. A 5700G isn't doing all that much better than a 7800X3D with a 4090 and I'm not sure why since the 4090 is obviously not spilling over the VRAM buffer but is still seeing lows in the 20s (or was as of yesterday, April 26th). 8GB cards are an absolute disaster in this game. Even at 1080P medium they are still going over on VRAM usage. The difference in VRAM usage per setting is minor. ei 11GB at 1080P/High, 12.1GB at 1440P/High/13GB.5 at 4K/High. 4K Ultra allocation seems to max out at 18GB, though it doesn't seem to go over 16, with AMD cards using a bit less memory do to what I assume is the lower driver overhead on AMD cards. All AMD system with Smart Access Memory enabled also seem to run the game far smoother than Intel/Nvidia systems, even if the 4090 has the higher overall avg FPS, that does not mean it is the better experience atm. A 5700XT is giving a smoother 1080P experience than a bloody 3070Ti do to the same thing. The lower driver overhead on AMD seems to keep it under that VRAM buffer which gives the CPU less to do which keeps the 1% performance up. This is the big sticking point as well. VRAM and the CPU. CPU optimization is *HORRIFIC.* You'll see a 4090 at 30% usage with a 7800X3D having 2 cores at 70%, 2 at 60%, and the rest at 30%. Yet the game will be dropping to 7FPS for 1% lows. No VRAM overflow. The game just seems to not understand how to handle going from the GDDR6 pool in consoles to a VRAM pool, then to the slower CPU memory pool. I haven't seen the Xbox reviews so I'm not sure how it plays on that as it has a 10GB VRAM pool and a 6GB CPU pool if my _memory_ serves me correctly (no pun intended). Whatever the case, I'd personally hold off on purchasing the game until they fix this issue. If it plays fine on the PS5 with a 16GB GDDR6 pool running on the equivalent of a 3700X and a 5700XT+ GPU, there is no way that better CPU's should be running the game worse *IF* the GPU has 16GB+ of VRAM available. If the Xbox Series X runs the game fine then there is no way that a 10GB card should run the game worse on a superior CPU if the game is on a similar drive. A good SATA SSD/m.2 is *usually* good enough, but not always. If the game is on a regular spinning disk HDD, well it most likely is not going to run well no matter what you do. That's just how it works now-a-days. Devs will typically make games assets/textures starting at the lowest res a console will be upscaling from, which in this case appears to be high detail 1080P. The days of them putting 480P, 720P and 900P assets in then and upscaling appear to be over. When that happens the *real* minimum requirements for a good experience typically go up to just above console specs since PC players typically don't find a 30FPS/medium settings playthrough tolerable. Additionally, do to the problems seeming to stem from the CPU even if there is enough VRAM, upscaling is often not helping people very much. Yes, it should help a little if the problem is just barely going over the VRAM limits, but if the problem is the RAM speed for the CPU (again, the PS5 is strictly gddr6 whereas even the best PC CPUs don't have access to that) then DLSS/FSR is not going to make a difference. EA/Respawn *need* to fix this. I understand the VRAM issue. Having a 3080 10GB FE in one of my PC's makes me absolutely not like it, but I still _get it._ The CPU problem I do not. They *HAVE* to accommodate for ddr4 2633, at minimum. Not doing so is beyond lazy. When I don't see any cores maxed with a 4090 at 30% then they didn't do their job. Don't release the game at all on PC if that's the best they are going to do. Oh they can't do that though bc a lot of people would quit buying *ALL* of their games, or even worse, cancel their Origin subscriptions. This reminds me a lot of what happened with Mass Effect Andromeda at launch. The difference being this is a far better game... On that note, if the issue is the CPU and RAM they should be able to fix it pretty quickly and have it performing very well within a month or so. I'm not sure how much money and time EA is willing to let them put in on VRAM textures/assets. As much as I'd like to think they'd allow them to make sure the game still looks good with 8GB cards, that might be unreasonable. If they are going to optimize it well enough to play on the Series S then everything should work out fine. If they are going to optimize it with the Series X being worst case scenario then 10GB+ cards _should_ be OK. If they are optimizing it witht eh PS5 as the lowest common denominator then 16GB will continue to be the minimum and people with anything less than an rx 6800/7900XT/3090/4080 are screwed. Will people still be able to play it? Of course, but you may end up with 360P assets loading in place high detail 1080P+ ones like The Last of Us giving foliage and other assets that _pudding_ look.

[@giroromek8423]

Thank you for the review, err I'll buy next year when it's on sale and hopefully a finished product.

[@morky_mork]

Having a little bit of performance issues on pc, 90% of the game is at 90-110 fps on a 3080 with 12700k 32g ddr4 ram. But there are occasional stutters and moments the fps hits 45 for about 20 seconds exploring the over world. I also only have 3 hrs in the game.

[@magevogue]

I like that its a story action game. The game does a good job putting the player in the Star Wars universe with all the cosmetic customization especially building your own light saber. A lot of players aren't interested in getting small upgrades to weopond or armor such as plus 10 attack, plus 5 defense not every action story driven game needs this. The game looks like it will be fun. Will wait for patches to get the game fully optimized for the consoles maybe by that time it will be discounted. Any game shouldn't be released with so many bugs.

[@dynastes4938]

It is somewhat confusing to me, too, that PC versions appear to be having so many issues as of late. I can only assume that the extreme price hike that PC components have taken in recent times has something to do with it. These price increases might have diminished the audience available to purchase AAA titles to a certain degree and developers allocate less time to the platform because of it. That is only speculation on my part though. The fact that Sony has only relatively recently begun to include the PC platform in his plans for future game releases, would actually point into a completely different direction.

[@RollMeAFat1]

I’m really lucky to have had not bugs and glitches so far, but what I have experienced is countless crashes, I get maybe an hour of playtime at most before the game freezes up and I can’t quit out, can’t even force quit and I have to turn off my pc to be able to do anything again

[@magnaxilorius]

Seems to be shader compiling/streaming/loading issues that are plaguing our PC ports. It does not have to be this way, but what a shame that it is.

[@plansix9688]

Thanks for the review. Though I always question anyone who doesn’t like fallen order’s very character forced story. I thought it was one of the better stories (before andor). 😊