Star Wars Legion 2.0 - Is It Any Good? My Thoughts after Multiple Games

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@VoodooCosmonaut 2 ай бұрын

I played my first game with the new rules last weekend. When I take my learning curve off the table, I have to admit the game is much more cinematic now. The cover rule adds a step that will take a lot of getting used to. But the days of opponents just hanging back until late in the game are over - and I like that.

@ButchersNailsEnjoyer 2 ай бұрын

Absolute genius move for AMG to release the new cards and missions a year after they release a new edition 💀

@MrSkullhead1 2 ай бұрын

That is strange. If they framed it as a playtest, that'd be fine, but dropping it as a finished ruleset without finished components seems amateurish.

@thewynnest 2 ай бұрын

@@MrSkullhead1 This

@Bouddiste 2 ай бұрын

Realy bad move.

@shmegatron 2 ай бұрын

It's a genius move for amg. 40k makes WAY more money. So do what they do. No matter how much they hate their fans, more people mixed with price increases will ALWAYS outway the few people who rage quit. More profits for home world ( with a ferangi hiss )

@Andrewc87563 2 ай бұрын

On. The gray squadron gaming channel they did a gen con interview which explains why this occurred,

@drbasseri 2 ай бұрын

As a brand new player (literally half way through painting and haven't even played a game yet!) I'm just happy they didn't cancel it like my beloved Aramada...

@TwilightxKnight13 2 ай бұрын

To be fair, they can stop producing models, but they cannot cancel your ability to play. Keep it alive!

@sea_triscuit7980 Ай бұрын

@@TwilightxKnight13the problem with today's gamers though is they have Games Workshop syndrome. They need the newest and most expensive model kit that just came out. If there's nobody to show off to, those people don't play the game. Long gone are the days where people play these games for fun.

@sea_triscuit7980 Ай бұрын

@@TwilightxKnight13like I'd love to play armada but nobody plays it here anymore and the people I asked about it said they sold their fleet because it's a dead game. I was surprised, I mean if they have the pieces why don't they just play?

@DeepFriedwater1 Ай бұрын

@@sea_triscuit7980I've seen the opposite. Less people want expensive kits. Everyone locally 3D prints 40K stuff because of the price.

@acebadgerboy 2 ай бұрын

Nice summary - still not played it out myself yet but good to hear that it’s still fun!

@BUChiAlpha 2 ай бұрын

I think of the objective system as a measure of control of the battle field. Turn one brings the risk of the "fog of water." It feels like the game starts faster. I was getting tired of the setup time before a piece moved in the old system. I do home that objectives will expand. The possibilities of new objective cards seems high. I don't think we've seen all the cards yet. I'm liking most of the changes.

@madviola183 2 ай бұрын

Thank you for the summary! It helps getting reminded from multiple places what changed. I think Jay from 5th Trooper said it well when he said to think of this as a new game, and not old Legion. It just isn't the same, and dwelling on it is kind of a disservice to ourselves. I really like the idea of the new primary objectives, secondary objectives, and advantages. I think one of the guys on 5th Trooper suggested that they should do faction specific objectives and advantages, and I'm totally here for that. I think it would add some very interesting spice to the game.

@airborneD4478 2 ай бұрын

Thanks Crabbok. Haven't had a chance to play the new ruleset yet. Thanks for the early insight.

@Raduczek 2 ай бұрын

I believe you're wrong about Immune: Deflect - it only states, that the attacking unit with the keyword cannot suffer wounds from Deflect, it doesn't say it invalidates the keyword as a whole. So it seems the surge would still be applicable.

@StylishJedi 2 ай бұрын

It's extremely good! The rebels are finally valuable! It's a much faster and smoother game and more fun. There's action even on round one! We love it. I don't understand your opinion about cover? That's one of the best parts of this game. Finally a unit has a chance to block more than one or two hits. When clones or droids have their 16 dice they're rolling and you can have a chance of blocking Any amount of those versus only being able to block a maximum of two if you're in hardcover? A lot of negative stuff in this review. Feels like we weren't playing the same game.

@johns9325 2 ай бұрын

What Rebel lists are you playing?

@thundergoat421_6 Ай бұрын

Criticism does not always equal negative.

@justacrab2925 2 ай бұрын

As someone who likes to play Sabine, I’ve been enjoying rolling more than one hit through heavy cover shots with her!

@Crabbok 2 ай бұрын

Very fair point. Similar situation here with Darth Vader trying to do a Saber Throw - having pierce 2 seems awesome - but when I'd roll hit/hit/surge - and heavy cover removes both and I have zero damage - it's always been a rough time.

@Boldro92 2 ай бұрын

They could change withdraw into something risky, like allowing the retreating unit a speed 1 move as a single action, but the unit it is melee with gets a free attack before the move.

@Crabbok 2 ай бұрын

Either an attack, or a weakened attack, like remove a die and then make an attack, etc.

@knutkey 2 ай бұрын

That's a great idea. There should be more penalty for moving out of melee. It's kind of stupid that the opponents melee unit doesn't get an advantage when the other unit withdraws.

@averylittle5706 2 ай бұрын

@@Crabbokwhat about a dice downgrade?🤔

@Nico-yo5py 2 ай бұрын

Attack of oportunity, I like it

@WaaaghPaint 2 ай бұрын

As always, thanks for a great honest review. Have yet to jump into the new rules yet - but looking to give it a try soon.

@tabletopdan3473 2 ай бұрын

Great video, very informative! I'm glad there are positives with this edition, I know myself and the few that play in the local area of keen to get some games in with the new edition

@SharpEdgeSoda 2 ай бұрын

My problem with Cover Saves is the same as 40k. An attack is already RNG. Why do we need to apply RNG on top of RNG on top of RNG to get a final RNG result? Dice on Dice on Dice on Dice always feels redundant. I know RNG adds "drama" but you gotta strike a balance.

@EliWintercross 2 ай бұрын

The flat cover rules was one of the key elements of Legion that I really loved.

@vh8542 2 ай бұрын

I agree, it's dumb that you can be behind cover and it gives you the bonus one round but not the next. I'd rather cover let you choose and reroll the attackers dice.

@Tibbyvc-rb7od Ай бұрын

Never. This is a massive improvement. Adding more chance and taking away "guarantees" is always always a plus

@rikhey2638 2 ай бұрын

I’m playing my first game with the new rules next week, most of the rule changes I think seem quite good

@severindrax 2 ай бұрын

i just really hope that they make the redesigned cards available as a pack, with multiple of the core troop cards included. i HATE mixing the art styles

@matthewgilliland6864 20 күн бұрын

I am coming from 40K and Conquest and the deployment style of bringing them on turn 1 as reactions to your opponents. Reminds me a lot of Conquest and that is awesome. I really liked how theirs was based of "weight"/speed of the unit such as scouts show up first and eventually your heavily armored troops trudge onto the field. If it works like it sounds this is cool.

@paladinsas9078 2 ай бұрын

Lol, i just finished your batrep and was going to message you on discord asking you this question. And in popped a video. Great timing 😂

@durzod2052 2 ай бұрын

Withdraw could be fixed by making it an actual withdrawal: the withdrawing unit may make their spped 1 move, but any subsequent moves may not take them any closer to an enemy unit unless they are moving towards their own base line.

@Riker4000 2 ай бұрын

Love all the new rules, we now use all the board since you need to contest those POI, units die a lot, no more Aim -shoot, you need to move, also about Withdraw, lot of melee units are getting suppressive to their melee weapon, which can cripple a lot withdraw on basic trooper.

@ethananglin9386 2 ай бұрын

I haven’t played yet, but I love the buffs to the CIS

@donreid3693 2 ай бұрын

I want to play Legion. I hope the rule change can drive more people to it. It seemed like it was dwindling before.

@PersonlApocalypz 2 ай бұрын

Glad to see that some of the changes are finally settling in a little little bit better. I changed my tune somewhat now that I’ve seen a few battle reports with the new rules. I still have my complaints, but who doesn’t

@xenoserum 2 ай бұрын

Not managed to get stuff built for it so it's going to be interesting to play a game with the new rules

@dpenn89 2 ай бұрын

Only had one game so far, but I'm liking almost all of the changes. Folding deployment into turn 1 speeds things up and makes the deployment mire dynamic, no more spending 20 minutes placing units, then spending turn 1 and 2 daring your opponent to move first. Scout, infiltrate, etc seem super important and might not be priced accurately yet, we'll see. My main issues so far are that the scoring seems slightly overcomplicated, and the mega squads might end up being annoying to play against, again time will tell.

@kaiserwilhelm9743 2 ай бұрын

I feel like withdrawing from melee should come with a penalty. Something like attack of opportunity and in dungeons and dragons. I think this should only happen if the melee unit has only spent 1/2 of their actions or has a standby token of sorts.

@devyndiaz6001 2 ай бұрын

First thing I did was start figuring out how to make myself a better way to track scoring and model my own POI tokens. The provided stuff isn't that great, but to your point, makes it easy to learn the new rules.

@reighzhor1058 Ай бұрын

A couple of things: -high velocity is treated as immune to deflect -speeders don't get the free reposition -overlap is no longer a thing; you have to stop if you cannot clear the models -grenades, flamethrowers, and mines have a melee-1 range

@unseeninja83 2 ай бұрын

Yeah they made the game more aggressive and less defensive by changing cover. It was a weird change and just basically promotes heavy rushfown

@jamiewalker5218 2 ай бұрын

New player to legion hopefully looking to finish my painting and play my first game

@jordanhamm9175 2 ай бұрын

I think having Armor would be really nice as an attachment now. That way you can have to option to have one at the cost of usually up some of your points.

@kellysmith6815 2 ай бұрын

You have to wash your dice. Soak them in dish soap and dry them with micro fiber. You will see a more statistical roll

@jordanhamm9175 2 ай бұрын

They should add two suppression to when you withdraw. So you are weighing your options a bit more.

@paulbeattie1182 2 ай бұрын

Yes this! It makes 'game' sense and logical / dramatic sense. And it's nice and easy to implement. This will be a house rule for sure. ❤

@Jaymz19702002 2 ай бұрын

I’m fairly new to the game and just started to get the old rules when these came out. That being said, I do like the new rule set. Round one is more exciting than it used to be and I like most of the objectives. Shifting priorities is a lot of fun.

@SgtSiler24 2 ай бұрын

Only ever played once with the beginner rules. I may look into it more and try playing with the full new rules.

@VoodooCosmonaut 2 ай бұрын

Tim, watching you report from the bridge of your star destroyer, I'm compelled to ask if your ship has a name.

@caleboar1292 2 ай бұрын

I'm excited to try out these new rules! Curious what other changes they'll bring out next year.

@bicskeiz 2 ай бұрын

I like pass rules and the new cover rules, but the other things... I think, I will play with the old rules further. And if the new boxes will only have the new (style/rule) cards, then sorry but, I probably wont buy them.

@omegavulture8379 2 ай бұрын

I’ve liked it so far. I prefer objective driven gameplay and this was a step in that direction. The game feels more active now when you score every turn instead of only every other or , god forbid, at the end of the game. I’d prefer it still had 6 rounds but I can deal with it.

@josephmoberly2109 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for your feedback, I do value your opinion man

@ButchersNailsEnjoyer 2 ай бұрын

I dont like how there’s a points cap that can be reached before 5 rounds because that leads to a lot of list building that’s built around winning as fast as possible instead of actually playing the game. Before we had missions that couldn’t be scored until the very end. 40k also has a huge problem with lists that revolve around tabling you turn one or two and makes you question why we even set up a table if we’re not even gonna play a full game

@Eval999 2 ай бұрын

No matter what you do some archetype is favored. It's just how metas work.

@zenkmaster1489 2 ай бұрын

i like a lot of the changes like the cover rules or the turn 1 but i think they overbuffed gar a lot i played a game yesterday and it feels like they can do erverything without a downside. I also dont like the AI changes i mean yes its a buff but now the ordercontrol feels more useless than before and i also dont like it flavor wise i think i liked it more if they change AI back and decresse some of the units points. but all in all i like that legion got an update that big and im really hyped to explore the new possibilitys

@Uncle_Buck 2 ай бұрын

I think it may finally be time to start actually playing.

@garethhuwwilliams6019 2 ай бұрын

Looking forward to my first game with the new rules!

@KjcKiesh 2 ай бұрын

I've played multiple skirmish games and one standard game; may have been the table layout we had but it definitely felt like cover has gone from way too easy to get to much harder to get with the new "minis must be within 3inch to benefit" Melee units and force users are feeling very strong in this new edition, and going fast is incredibly valuable to get onto those objectives early I've not tried a pure gunline list yet or any prepared position units, but I am suspecting that traditional gunlines will struggle if they are unable to remain effective whilst moving up the table Overall I've enjoyed the games I've had and I'm looking forward to trying out various list types to see how they function in the new edition

@thomaswilliams5005 2 ай бұрын

I haven’t played it yet, so I appreciate your thoughts on it

@FFG_318_Heavy 2 ай бұрын

In terms of withdraw. It was annoying that my big clone unit was shut down because a B1 managed to get into base contact

@EliWintercross 2 ай бұрын

I'm not a fan of the changes myself. Since I don't play competitively, I think I will stick with the old rules that I actually enjoy.

@main_man_brez8621 2 ай бұрын

as a CIS player i do enjoy the new rules. cover is a bit weird imo but overall dont mind the rules besides withdraw

@XSelianBladeX 2 ай бұрын

It would be awesome if you do a tut as if the earlier rules never existed, for new players.

@Ironbudha23 2 ай бұрын

I need to get games in to see how I will like the new rule set.

@shaunkrogulski9619 2 ай бұрын

I like the changes overall. As a Shadow collective player it is a bit disappointing that we didn't get all of our stuff yet, but I get it. I think the changes to AI are really positive, separatists were pretty much confined to b1 spam to make their lists work and this gives them options now

@stefanyates1966 2 ай бұрын

Thanks for this. It's very helpful.

@aidanvenzon5402 2 ай бұрын

Ready to try these out, now having to give my whole army orders will make my droids more deadly!

@A4_Racing Күн бұрын

So does this make every terrain expansion and battle cards obsolete? ex: the key positions cards and terrain are they still used or no?

@flyingtosave 2 ай бұрын

It seems like it is OK, and I am glad to hear it cuz I was scared for a while! whew!

@BarkORama 2 ай бұрын

My thought, Maybe allow cover to roll against crits. its so unlikely to begin with I dont see it being huge impactful but also give it more effect or better feeling.

@jordanphone3754 2 ай бұрын

I think the changes look promising. Biggest issue is no update cards to purchase. I don't have a printer, so getting these is rough.

@Nevets1073 Ай бұрын

There is a distinct lack of player agency in Turn Zero.

@sirsully 2 ай бұрын

Looking forward to playing my first game of 2.0

@ExileTwilight 2 ай бұрын

Not given it much thought but a way to keep the old cover system while making small die pools relevant would be to limit cover to "remove x hits up to y", depending on level of cover. Say light cover removes 1 hit to a minimum of 2, making it weak against snipers but works more or less the same against most unit pools.

@michaelbeagle2304 2 ай бұрын

Really helpful on all your videos, the new cover system a does sound a little crazy, but ya it does stink trying to shoot at someone in cover when you have white dice like ya said. Having hot white dice sounds even more big! And no not longer games😂

@Icarus_789 2 ай бұрын

my big issue with this update/new edition is that newer players will get starter/core sets that don't match the current rules thus creating confusion and pushing newer players away.

@tinman557 2 ай бұрын

I'm curious how much of an impact the larger unit sizes make with the upgrade that allows one to add 5 minis to the stormtrooper or rebel trooper squads. This could potentially give the rebel fleet troopers a pool of around 20 attack dice if I'm seeing things correctly. Seems like a little over kill.

@nicholashancock8729 2 ай бұрын

My play group is gearing up to shift to 2.0 and we are cautiously excited to try it

@BUChiAlpha 2 ай бұрын

This was helpful.

@tater4434 2 ай бұрын

This new edition may not be all that bad, but I think a more important question to ask is: Is it better than what we had before? Aside from some good changes to individual units over the years, I feel like the gameplay of legion itself peaked several years ago. It might have been at it's best sometime before AMG screwed up the cover rules the first time

@bobbyp5059 2 ай бұрын

I can't decide if I like a specific army enough to play. I would want republic Commandos with the empire.

@anyoneoriginal 2 ай бұрын

I think that overall it was a pretty nice change of pace.

@kingbobb007 2 ай бұрын

The Crtical keyword is not easily accessible in every faction, so as a CIS player I very much appreciate the new cover rules. You can still crit shop to negate it.

@m.p.877 2 ай бұрын

I really dislike the new transport and the new command range + AI rules. In this regard we will continue with old rules. Im still unsure about the cover. I do like bigger squad options and some other changes though.

@Tomdeathkrawler 2 ай бұрын

Just played my own game of this new rules change. We got some rules wrong ourselves, but made do. We found it frustrating that there is such a huge change to missions and setup, that without having cards printed, cut out, and properly sleeved up, that it's basically wasn't worth attempting those rules, and we just played with the old mission setups. We've also generally agreed that the changes to transport and cohesion needed some house rules. Without a Half range ruler, it's more consistent to still use 1 speed movement markers to check normal cohesion. And with Transports, the change from a utility option for getting slow-moving models and close range units to the front to an alternate, limited deployment was unpopular. We just just decided to use the old Transport rules to continue to justify using transport vehicles. And we'll probably continue to do so as the changes to transports just feels like such a downgrade.

@danthegamerkhan 2 ай бұрын

I was on a return to star wars gaming lost xwing and armada and now this feels like you said multiple times like warhammer. I left warhammer for a reason legion has since its start been a far superior game this is very sad to hear they would lower themselves to come close to warhammer at all

@sonofhonor 2 ай бұрын

I'm looking forward to trying

@corytelford 2 ай бұрын

Definitely need more battle cards

@madchemist113 2 ай бұрын

Yeah there were a lot of changes! Thanks for the video!

@shadowrunner2050 2 ай бұрын

Trying to get a game in yet myself, but schedules don't co operte currently. I am a bit concerned about cover since I am a rebellion player.

@themoaningwhale963 2 ай бұрын

what are your thoughts on the new transport rules? I've enjoyed most of the new rules but the new transport rules seem boring

@talasek2008 2 ай бұрын

I actually like the new changes - but its hard to relearn the game. And still a pity that not all cards are available in new design. Also a bummer is that the old mission markers (Bombs, Bombing rung etc) are 'lost'

@nickhartung6941 2 ай бұрын

I like the bigger points games but I don't like the first turn walking on to

@Rat1ord 2 ай бұрын

Hopefully I can get some games in soon

@elbanditouk 2 ай бұрын

Great video - thanks for such a good breakdown of the changes.

@larryhayes4598 2 ай бұрын

is all of the cards and rules only going to be print and play?

@eliottwarphe3343 2 ай бұрын

Does that mean our card are useless now ? how about the old units that we buy do I need to buy new card like what warhammer like to do and Legion was so proud not doing ?

@CmdrBrannick 2 ай бұрын

Might need an updated how to play vid.

@averylittle5706 2 ай бұрын

Guardian is LOS and range… since undeployed units are in LOS and range of all troopers wouldn’t that mean technically undeployed units still can Guardian? 7:47

@andfunkable 2 ай бұрын

Ive been teaching lots of new players in the past 6 months, and i you leave two of them to go at in in the old version thisenhames could be 5 hours or more. I'm positive 2.6 will be significantly faster.

@garethhuwwilliams6019 2 ай бұрын

Side note where do we see winners of the giveaways

@garypeyman932 2 ай бұрын

Im trying really hard to love the new rules but i just cant . There are a few bits that i think are great and there are a few bits that i think are bad but the bits that are in the middle ground just dont wow me , for every positive of them there's always a negative and it can lead to a weird playing experience . Im a casual player so i can switch between the two versions but ill just end up playing whichever version my opponent wants to play i think

@DonReid-l7h 2 ай бұрын

What are the chances that they add another faction? Do they have those insect guys?

@garthantash 2 ай бұрын

Geonocians are part of the Seperatist faction.

@Sporkedphro Ай бұрын

my son wants to sell all of his legion stuff now because he has 1.0. What is new with version 2.0 when it comes out? Is it better plastic and new cards? Is that it?

@firerocket3386 27 күн бұрын

I wouldn't sell your stuff if you enjoy the game. All the models still work and the new cards are print and play. (So 2.0 is essentially a free upgrade) Units with soft plastic will get resculpted with hard plastic. There are some rule changes but it's mostly positive changes.

@Sporkedphro 27 күн бұрын

@@firerocket3386 Thanks, that's what I told him as well but perhaps we both just need to get a better understanding of what is changing so he can be less / not disappointed by it. he just plays the game with his friends and never in tournaments or game stores but i think it's just confusing at this point for him. Are the new cards out for printing already?

@Sporkedphro 27 күн бұрын

@@firerocket3386 found the files to print :)

@ejdLB 2 ай бұрын

Glad I'm not the only one calling objectives Pokeballs now.

@kokozula 2 ай бұрын

Why not track Victory Points with Victory tokens?

@murrayfish6901 2 ай бұрын

Terrific video - thanks for posting.

@warkatwargaming2358 2 ай бұрын

At the start: Must admit I have been flagging with this game and a change might have been needed

@kingbobb007 2 ай бұрын

I think the new objective system favors competitive play more than casual because they are more balanced. The old system let things like Blizzard Force control the mission with a big bid and objectives that favor their build. It skews the game so much and feels inappropriate in a competitive environment.