StarCraft 1: THE FINALS BEGINS - Gypsy vs Jaeyun | StarCon 2023

[@Sadboi.burningsoul]

I think ive never seen a Goliath Carrier war so intense in my life

[@Ziegfried82]

I am amazed at how strong Gypsy is even when he didn't see the carrier switch coming. SO STRONG with his goliath micro too, doing bodyshots at the right time, hitting interceptors at the right time, making mech look viable against a large upgraded carrier group is insane.

[@lockdown969]

Do goliaths ever win vs carriers? They must, but I’ve never seen it happen

[@jackpowell8155]

I'm sure I've seen artosis do it​@@lockdown969

[@johnnyboy3563]

10:54 Big mistake here by Jy. He assumed Gypsy wouldn't micro the tank and sent the probes back too early. Gypsy got 6 probes on one tank shell.

[@nnkk7742]

No idea how the casters missed that!

[@Girthbrooks715]

Idk how he didn’t add Science vessels after watching Arty loose to the same strat

[@justincronkright5025]

I was thinking he's at 2/1 why not leave the starport there a bit longer and get out a faster vessel there... just get 1 vessel and maybe 2 goliaths at most to deny vision for J.Y. more effectively/fully.

[@ObeliskM]

Goliaths killing interceptors rather than carriers almost always ends badly for terran.

[@thomasbacon]

When your opponent has no anti-air and you successfully surprise carriers, why not just go take out production rather than free up supply for them to make goliaths?

''carrier has arrived'' Kreygasm Kreygasm

[@00Noontide]

Good cast. Thanks!

[@stevenbell5224]

Love how tank blew up like 8 probes and they said not a lot of damage

[@charlescook5542]

Probe kills in late game don’t matter it’s the early pressure that slows down the macro.

[@greenwave819]

it is really silly how toss can just go into carrier and win 80% of the time

[@Здравсвуйте]

Протос уже слишком сильно отелся - 8 носителей это уже критично. А 12 с полным набором технологий чистят карту очень быстро.

[@jettskys]

I'm not sure why Arty and Gypsy both didn't get EMP and add more vessels. It would slow the carriers aggression down big time and completely negate the effectiveness of the DTs. Then when the bank rolls got high, why not add like 10 ghosts with lockdown and force the carriers to target them through the goliaths. I'm obviously not even close to the level these guys are at but those seem like the obvious counters to carriers and they don't cost much or take up much supply for the amount of effectiveness they can provide.

[@sulik682]

Covert ops + lockdown research + ghost is like 400 mineral, 300 gas or something like that. Almost the cost of a single carrier. And you can produce out of like 1 or 2 rax at most. They are supply efficient but it is taxing and a significant investment. Although I agree it'd be cool to see it come out. Hard to have the ghosts get close enough though. Vessels seem like a very wise play and I agree, not sure why you dont just throw them out there. Especially with the huge gas banks that Arty had in last game and Gypsy in this one as well. Saving some of those scans, saving units (as DT often got a unit or two before scan went out) and dropping an EMP possibly on carriers would be huge. Imagine like 1000 damage+ EMP really softens them up a ton.

[@Jc-do5xg]

We also never see ghosts cuz theyre slow

[@Ziegfried82]

Gypsy almost didn't need to change strategies his mech play and macro were so strong. Goliath micro was insanely good too. Ghosts with lockdown sound great but they are 1)flimsy 2)move slow 3)take a very long time to get. Instead of 10 ghosts you get 2 ghosts and get a nuke..cause you're not gonna have more than 1 rax with a mech build. If you're gonna gamble with ghosts you may as well try to sneak a nuke on his carrier group while he's fighting the goliaths. Have the second ghost sit at a protoss expansion and drop a nuke on that during an engage too for laughs. Battlecruisers are awesome vs carriers due to yamato and could be a possible answer to this type of protoss strategy if you can scan and see the stargates/beacon in time. Both Arty and Gypsy should have been more suspicious after sitting so long with no toss comin at em.

[@ryanlucht6625]

In theory it should be good since observers are easy to snipe with ghosts and goliaths. People have already mentioned the cost but there are a few other key factors. Ghosts are also notoriously hard to micro, they are the smallest unit in the game and are easy to snipe with their abysmal health. The gas cost is also not insignificant. Adding ghosts means less money for tanks. With that in mind the protoss ground army will steamroll a ghost+goliath comp

[@rhettius]

Caster mistook qty 3 interceptors as +3 air weapons. It was only +1 at the time. You have to hover over the interceptors to see the damage. Basic knowledge lacking.

[@gillbates5]

Great game but holy hell how could the obs miss the entire proxy harass! The whole early game was building up to that moment.

[@AlDim000]

10:55 siege tank kills 6 probes with one crazy shot. Caster: "No damage taken by Jaeyun" lol.

[@donyodonev1493]

It turns out Jy is impressively strong, but IDK why no EMP. First nice thing Jy hide the carriers, after that Gypsy’s reaction with goliaths was perfect and at the end Jy won. Nice!

[@electricitybomb]

Jy could have had stasis as well

[@steveblock3882]

great game

[@pathofthewarlord6192]

where can i download these pro maps?

[@justincronkright5025]

If he had have saved those units there... before they just got fully wiped out - I don't understand the siege there although I guess it was probably just a mis-click. And they're not like trebuchets that can be halted when packing or unpacking.

[@Puffindefenceforce]

gypsy should have recalled the carriers on to the factories in the main as the reveal rather than just engaged at the front

[@Здравсвуйте]

Отсутствовали батареи для их подзарядки, он даже не планировал играть отзывами. Из-за большой скорости игры массу технологий не получается использовать, они требуют от игрока слишком много дополнительных действий.

[@cirno66]

200/150 for a safe Carrier transition? Sweet play.

[@YoungGandalf2325]

It's so easy to make a full group of max upgrade carriers and take your opponent by surprise. There's nothing Gypsy could've done about it. Edit: to be clear, I was trying to be sarcastic

[@Sadboi.burningsoul]

no. In fact there are over a hundred different scenario where he couldve done something

[@JJvelHunter]

Wraiths with cloak that kill observers first is something you can do. One solid surprise attack and you have no carriers. Also Valkyries are doing an amazing work against interceptors. And of course ghosts with lockdown. There are many options to fight against carriers.

[@prasaite]

@@JJvelHunter You forgot one thing. Gypsy had max suply limit units. So you need suicide your own units to get free suply for making more goliaths, wraiths and valkyries. Jaeyun shouldnt atack ground units, only fly to gypsy maine base and destroy all factories and suplydepots to block gypsy entire army. Gypsy would in deep shit. No antiair units couse his whole army was scv, vultures, tanks, few goliaths one dropship and one science vehicle. And enemy didnt kill tanks so you have still blocked suply specialy that carriers destroy suply depots and factories. So you cant produced new units couse you dont have free supply, so you have to suicide your own units for produced antiair units, but you dont have time, suply points and factories. It would be better than shooting down useless tanks and free on that way supply points for gypsy so we just watching swarms of goliaths.

[@kentdetrick5865]

@@JJvelHunter I've heard before that interceptors don't take splash damage. If this is the case, then Valks don't really counter interceptors, right? Or do they still work?

[@JJvelHunter]

@@kentdetrick5865 Actually you might be right. Valks might not be the best choice here.

[@deco90]

Who knocked out nyoken?

[@ValeriiAS]

very good game

[@chadjenkins4876]

A decent wraith ball might have been able to swing things around. Maybe not but gotta try it 🤷‍♂️

[@BigBeefyBoy]

Why did Gypsy start at +1???

[@peterh2086]

Because he's in the winners bracket. JY lost before and went to the losers bracket, beat Artosis, and came back here to the finals.

[@BigBeefyBoy]

@@peterh2086 Gotcha. Thanks!

[@AGTaNGrA.]

"Its a trade u can take" 1 DT for 1 tank Bro... !? Tank 150 minerals 100 gas. DT 125 mins 100 gas... 1stgrade math 250 is more than 225 its a trade that u WIN from,u dont just "take" it

[@donniem7979]

Lovely

[@narcirvalor2718]

Yeah lot of carrier and the terran not know he can build flying unit too!

[@Ziegfried82]

Wraith ball can kill mass carriers once per game cause once you show that card the protoss will get like 5 obs. It's very difficult to kill the 2/3 obs flying with the carrier group btw and if you don't do it fast enough the wraiths get melted. Valks do nothing because carrier armor is too high. But a crazy 4 starport battlecruiser swap could be awesome...if you catch what the protoss is up to soon enough. Sadly Gypsy did not catch on til it was too late.

[@Здравсвуйте]

@@Ziegfried82 Обсерверы цепляются в цепочку, друг за другом и кроме того если есть арбитр, то их можно еще призвать.

[@prasaite]

Jaeyun should just fly into maine base of gypsy and demolish his farms and factories than start killing few goliaths and his tanks for free gypsy suply. Just imagine 200 suply units all scv, vultures tanks and just fe antiair goliaths vs 12 carriers. And your enemy didnt kill ground units, so if you need produced goliaths you need suicide your own vultures and tanks:P

[@Ziegfried82]

He even had the arbiter. He could fly into that terran base blow up all the depots, cluster up and recall out! That would have been amazing lol.

[@prasaite]

@@Ziegfried82 Yeah recall out to own base if Gypsy willbe try eliminate protoss.

[@jfitzgerald4887]

this channel is literally called Artosis casts. Why am I tuning into two casters I have never heard about? They don't even introduce themselves. It's just like they're two teens hanging out in a discord call. This far below the quality expect from this channel.

[@rjrjrjriiebeebbe]

killing tanks with carriers makes no sense if t is maxed. Better kill the factorys

[@Crud-Stevens]

Cool Beans

[@Actionlutz]

Can you please eat your snickers before the casting and get rid of the static noise? thnx

Critical mass’d.

[@jakubdabrowski5216]

Protoss can just make carriers and destrey everything terran has. On the other hand if terran makes one mistake it is mostly game over. Blizzard needs to fix this asap

[@prasaite]

In starcraft if you make one mistake you generaly lost. And Blizzard pls dont fixed it. Every conflict, battle in history of mankind was lose/won because of one stupid mistake.

[@Ziegfried82]

Gypsy showed this game that high skill terrans can actually give protoss carrier players a lot of trouble even with goliaths. Imagine if Gypsy had seen the stargates/beacon, he would have mopped up Jy quick.

[@prasaite]

@@Ziegfried82 Gypsy showed skill with goliath couse Jaeyun give him opportunity for that.

[@CorporateDrone]

Coolio

[@a.c.6937]

So imbalanced. Pvt so easY

[@pathofthewarlord6192]

i think Valkyries could have helped

[@Ziegfried82]

Worst possible choice vs carriers. You could melt the shields off real quick but the hull of carriers starts at 4 armor. Valk damage starts at 5...

[@JohnSmith-rr8hp]

Finally a protoss win, gosh, hate the bias in the cast by that Terran fanboi, horrible.

[@charlescook5542]

Diggity said he was rooting for jaeyun and the other caster plays terran.

[@JohnSmith-rr8hp]

@@charlescook5542Yeah, talking about the background caster, hope we never have to hear him again on this channel.