StarCraft 2: ByuN builds 50+ MISSILE TURRETS!

[@EdgarFriendly17]

6:58 Impressive display of Protoss technological supremacy. Intelligent forcefield filtering out dead matter and other garbage...

[@csmlouis]

ByuN recently played the real-scale mod campaign and understood the importance of having a spinning man with missiles when going against Chadrays and Carriers with 10k+ shields and hitpoints.

[@Willdroyd]

Sadly he couldnt make any goliaths

[@mikoajciemiega8018]

But I watched Hyperion crew mod and now I'm sad over all the boiz that were killed during this match

[@Ralathym]

14:47 Now THAT'S a brave probe!

[@atommindproject9060]

The way you get into the game and put in passion and humor is what makes you unique, Lpwko. Keep it up mate. Great work.

[@rustymcrae7739]

Bold of you to assume that "hole in the floor" is covered with "glass," Lowko. It's clearly a force field which one can only pass through if they have been deceased.

[@nicholasfactor]

right

[@Euler271]

right

[@manopeace9175]

the turrets really helped byun stay in the middle of the map. Also that last fight, Creator flew his carrier's interceptors over the remaining lower half of the turrets and they killed a good number of them.

[@russiancat5020]

I knew the 50+ missile turret strat was the winner in the end

[@OneWhoBonks]

maybe reapers should get an armory-level upgrade that gives them the cluster grenades from campaign that still do the same damage as normal with the same knockback so they can be useful against big groups of enemies. or an armory-level upgrade that increases their overall attack damage output, like adepts at twilight council. no need to reinvent the reaper, just realign it so it fits mid/late game scenarios.

[@joshuakim5240]

I feel like an Armory upgrade that either provides the u-238 shells campaign upgrade, or gives back their anti-structure grenades would go a long way to make the Reaper less of a 1-and-done joke of a scout unit and more of an actual raider unit without being stupidly broken in the early game like the old pre-patch WoL days.

[@cesarbernardi1646]

The grenade should come back, but instead of being anti-structure, it should be anti-massive unit. This would actually allow reapers to be useful in the mid/late game, specially versus ultras and archons (not so much versus colossus... Thors maybe, given their fire rate)

[@MythicalLemon]

10:24 command cart sounds like a food truck

[@jacobcowan610]

This is a lowko where his casting style is very direct and to the point and sharp. I love this lowko the most. Just fuckin SLAYING as a castor.

[@Panda-cp9cs]

"wait what? theres a hole" somehow sounds so funny.

[@jackmermigas9465]

Been watching your casts for a long time now they're always really interesting and cheer me up thank you!

[@Graywoolf25]

Your a great commentor man. I have never played StarCraft before but you do a great job on helping your viewers understand a little bit more of what's going on. Keep it up man you have a subscriber.

[@paulchiu8853]

I was bored during last weekend when you were not uploading . I tried other sc2 casts on KZbin and my wife walk into the room and said “are you watching StarCraft ? Why it sounds so boring today “ keep up the good work

[@REgamesplayer]

Changing Reapers and making them not one of the worst units in the game is quite easy. Give them their C4 charges back. That is it. By tying that to an expensive upgrade, you will ensure that players could not simply cheese them early on. This would also create a very interesting and useful role for them in late game. Giving them a lot of worker harass and ability to demolish structures coupled with high mobility.

[@jasonmoto1608]

"Just say no to your own death. Built missile turrets in groups of 3 or more."

[@ZirJo]

@7:15 It's not really glass. It's a living beings forcefield

[@jdspencer60]

No one: Literally no one: Lowko: Fair enough.

[@Zeracan]

Early on saw a disruptor walk into the middle of the marauders and marines "nooo orb friend!" Feel like he could have won if he built a proxy pylon and just got in more zealot runs. Forcing Byun to pull units back to deal with them.

[@ikiro47]

I do love static defense spam, much heartier than regular spam! So savory :D

[@aliveinside9613]

I’d like to see reapers added into a mid-late game tvz army. It would require even more APM in addition to all the things the terrans are already doing, but I feel like the grenades vs ling bane could be very effective used correctly. (Edit fixing autocorrect on ling)

[@gardianx5293]

My problem with that is mostly just how weak the grenades really are. They're just sort of a nuisance even early game. Good for disruptions and slowing zerg a smidge more though...

[@hivetech4903]

You mean you'd like to see Reapers buffed somehow? As the game is now making Reapers instead of Marines would be the quickest way to lose the game rofl.

[@aliveinside9613]

@@hivetech4903 I don’t mean as a core army unit, rather just making some to use the grenades to disrupt the ling bane charges.

[@hivetech4903]

@@aliveinside9613 Grenades make that much worse for the Terran especially with banes. Not only do you lose DPS but you can't focus fire units when they are in the air, some of which get knocked towards you. It makes kiting less effective.

[@aliveinside9613]

@@hivetech4903 if the grenades were timed properly, they would just knock back the first wave, and not forward any. It’s a meaningless debate anyway, as there are many better things for Terran players to be doing than throwing reaper grenades

[@nicolaslalonde2807]

'a HOLE lotta sense to me' ahaha

[@Donovankovic]

NOW BUT NOW.... This is ByuN 💪🏼

[@SanityDrop]

God byun's micro is just insane. (even disgusting in opponent's perspective) Creator literally succeeded one huge Disruptor hit during entire of this game, and he made like 35 of them

[@legion8863]

Wow i really thought byun was about to lose but that base trade 3 for 1 was amazing

[@jameslabbe4119]

I remember my favorite uThermal games he would take games off people with reaper + relentless micro so yeah a buffed reaper might be a little too good. It is a bit of a shame because protoss and zerg early game units keep utility at pretty much all stages of the game. Runbys and such

[@shakacien]

a Reaper Tech after Armory wouldn't disrupt early game at all.

[@shakacien]

reaper can attack while moving but gets -50% attack speed unless stationary, or some kind of ranged defense.

[@Imshady69]

I was sitting at my desk and heard your voice in my head for some reason and was like I wonder if he posted yet? Then BAM

[@Maurodax]

Guess I am more tired than I thought.. At 6:02 I heard "And he has decided to go into an Erotics bay" xD

[@c4ns3r53]

Poor timmy got yeeted into space. Rest in Pieces

[@adrianbyg5553]

making turrets to the infinity and ByuN!

[@blazepond5518]

oooh ok this thumbnail got me lowko, you got me good

[@Blankstareman]

I always have been dreaming of reaper grenade upgrade where grenades would after very long upgrade (kinda like dt teleport but even longer) and after thats done grenades would deal huge amount of splash damage like a siege tank or something.

[@iseektheholygrail2055]

Good news : the Artosilope survived

[@MedicJR]

Me at the beginning: I can only assume Creator is playing skytoss by the thumbnail

[@tyberiusmcintyre3411]

i feel like reapers need some kind of late game upgrade options so they are used for more than early game cheese

[@matteofontana_]

lowko im forgetting to smile. You need to remind me!

[@chir0pter]

rare to see disruptors work against Byun

[@hirzo6287]

talking about reaper buffs if you implement an upgrade in the reactor with e. g. armory tech for bonus building dmg could that be late to not be cheeseable but like blink for dt ? dunno just a funky thought

[@almasabey8340]

Lowko how many ranked games have u played on pride without noticing the huuuge hole featuring the spear of adun in like 2 years

[@TheNightmoose]

maybe that wasn't glass that the marine body fell through but a force field shield thing... units don't go through but lifeless corpses and wrecks do? XD

[@henrikrasmussen7340]

Its liberator range, not ranged. A little embarrassing, but we are all learning :) It gives them extra range, not ranged.

[@espurr3496]

Lowko make a unit tierlist

[@asdadsasdasda8310]

Lowko you should consider Civilization 6!

[@jamesbutler620]

Top tier micro F tier decision making and hes one of my fav players

[@weikaiwu4304]

Rarely see people build widowmaker for a real reason

[@prank339]

The marine could fall through the glass because he became a ghost *ba dum tss*

[@haileydee9954]

Byun is the reason that the Reaper got nerfed right? His famous 3 racks reaper pushes?

[@XeL.B.]

"for as long as i remember, probably since 2010" ...well i play StarCraft since 1999 :)

[@nicholasfactor]

it's not a map bug if you know how protoss platforms work...

[@lepandatrotteur3635]

actualy the best moment is at 7.00

[@crystaldazz]

I really don't understand why the pros don't make small hitsquads of reapers and go around sniping workerlines. Seems like a strategy that would be highly effectively if they just decided to do it.

[@Haannibal777]

Hellions can do that job better? And those don’t cost gas.

[@dylan8758]

Just started paying its a lot of fun playing on random

[@aquireeverything9382]

Random Best Race

[@pupps321]

Feels weird to watch a replay that doesn't have reynor protons honestly xd

[@koaieus]

After watching many, many of your videos I have to ask: you do know it's "range" and not "ranged" right? When you say e.g. "+1 range" or "[gives the liberators additional] range"? Or am I missing something here hahah Cheers!

[@dhezmo]

In what console do you play

[@dwlang001]

I play turret defense as well.

[@bva0]

Me too! Except, I'm bronze xD

[@aaroncampf]

Use the new UI features, I want to see the graphs!!

[@plixie1]

Hello everyone welcome back to a (come onnnnn) professional match!....(sigh) give me some brone league heroes.

[@kylesanford3666]

I hate watching disrupters against byun

[@997x2]

Is it only me wondering? Lowko always points out how good upgrades are for fast attacking units (marines, interceptors, ...) especially when maxed out. But maxed out armies are cancelling each other out except for slow, hard hitting units, since they get a bigger attack buff then +1 for each attack. Am I missing something here?

[@kaizosheenobu6099]

i don't have any knowledge of the game in-depth or how the units, armor stats, shields stats, etc... interact with eachother, so the example i'll use is in a vacuum, meaning this is not necessarily true when applied in-game, but it's a good explanation for why upgrades are important. imagine we have 5 carriers, which translates to 40 interceptors. this, in practice, means that if every single one of these interceptors shoots at once, we get a dps of 400 damage, since they attack twice. since their attack speed is 2.14, every 2.14 seconds they'll deal 400 damage to their target. with +3 damage, that scales up to 640 damage. that's an additional 240 damage done every time they attack. in low numbers it doesn't really change that much but bear with me. in 21.4 seconds (around 20 attacks dealt) the non-upgraded interceptors will deal a maximum of 8560 damage, while the fully upgraded ones will deal 13696! that's a difference of 5136 damage that you would otherwise miss on doing. upgrades on units that are fast means that every attack they deal is stronger, and you don't need to inflate their damage by ridiculous amounts, as much as you can just have many of them to make a difference. hope this helps :D

[@997x2]

@@kaizosheenobu6099 thanks for the numbers. The problem is, that armor upgrades negate the numbers you pulled out there. But the tempest for example gets +4 damage for each upgrade, so when two maxed out armies clash, the tempest will have an upgrade advantage of +12, while against 3 armor the advantage is still +9 damage for each shot. Each interceptor shot however is +3 damage -3 armor, which doesn't scale to any benefit

[@juanadrianarceduenas7200]

Increible

[@martinvaldhans3679]

Hi, can you call carriers scaryers?

[@septuleptum]

The amount of ads getting ridiculous on youtube. Great game tho, thanks!

[@put1996]

I think Creator would do much better if he stop producing Disruptor that he didn't seem to be using and rally to enemy base just because. It was really painful to watch.

[@jaylee2656]

byun is zerg llol

[@Spartsou]

Fun fact: Reapers did have stimpack in the beta version of SC2 Also, I agree with yesterday Lowko: I don't like how the minerals stand out in the fog of war.

[@phsycresconquest6636]

ByuN truly is the greatest Terran in SC2 history. Of course his 50+ Missile boys will style on a Skytoss Fan.

[@hivetech4903]

Maru is the GOAT Terran by a long shot.

[@phsycresconquest6636]

@@hivetech4903 ByuN is the only Terran to ever win a world championship in SC2.

[@hivetech4903]

@@phsycresconquest6636 Once? Maru might have only won a WCS season but has like a million more GSL & other wins, making him the only other million dollar player besides Serral.

[@DarkRavin07]

never like carrier's. You either win early with them or you die a slow death. They are not flexible. reason I am loving people playing a ground swarm style again.

[@marv1174]

ANYHOW

[@Durgan1987]

nice, second haha.. always quallity casting.

[@real_MacrocosM]

Over dere...

[@QueenDaenerysTargaryen]

Very good 👍👏😍❤

[@CraneArmy]

I wonder if you skipped starport and tried to do midgame reaper harass like people do marine dropship harass where you would end up. maybe it doesnt work because youd have to go into mech or no-medevac-bio and those have been weak?

[@hivetech4903]

Skipped Starport...? You 100% lose the game in the first fight... from not having Medivacs lol. Once the Protoss natural & warpgate is established Reapers can't harass any more.

[@CraneArmy]

@@hivetech4903 I dunno about that, Im not that good, but there shouldnt be a reason you couldnt turtle on 1rax 2 factories to open. have reapers for harass counter pressure and if you force them into blink or heavy commitment to gateways you should definitely have a way out. like theres probably a good reason its not meta, and if anything its probably late anti-air, but theres no reason it would 100% lose.

[@hivetech4903]

@@CraneArmy You 100% lose in top Diamond / Masters. The reason is like I said, you can't harass or counter Protoss with Reapers, so you are behind. The first Reaper can't harass as soon as 1 Adept is out, how does more Reapers make things better considering Protoss keeps making units, has a shield battery before 4 minutes and has recall? Double gas for Reapers delays mineral income and delays gas on Factory units and tech. So the Terran's eco & tech is already behind before those Reapers attack. Then they do basically nothing, no Starport for decent harass and a later Bio fight just dies because they didn't make Medivacs. I'm not sure how that 2nd Factory is going to help other than require more gas which you don't have because you made Reapers. Any Protoss macro build counters it - gateway expand into Blink or Stargate, Robo.

[@evil0verl0rd]

First!

[@pepajetel6999]

Damn it, second I am Always second

[@muhammadzinc5228]

Terran MULE and cost efficiency of Ghosts / EMP is just whack. Needs heavy nerf and this is coming from a T player myself.

[@hivetech4903]

What gets buffed in the late game to compensate then? Both Terran matches are perfectly balanced at pro level.

[@KnutFuchs]

They should reduce the reapers gas cost by 25 and remove the cliff jump, or make that a seperate variant of the reaper. Then terran bio would have something against light units. Might be interesting to see

[@hivetech4903]

Huh? Marines already devastate light units through sheer DPS, they don't need a bonus to light (which btw Ghosts already have). I play Terran at a reasonably high level and light units are the least of my problems. Removing cliff jump would mean the Terran either can't scout with them or has to suicide them, removing skill reward and strategy from the game.

[@RavagHer]

u know why u dont see units like reapers in mid to late game? StarCraft 2 is heavy on cheese and harrass units. units only there for early game and mainly to lock down zergs. reapers, helions, banshees, adepts, Oracles, etc....they are all mainly made to lock down the early game zerg. to make sure the zerg economy doesnt just expand like crazy or do a zerg rush or something. i hate how StarCraft has become. i remember when zergs were the ones thats always on attack while the other units defended until they got the units/economy to push out. its kind of the opposite where the zerg is doing more defense in the early to late game

[@RavagHer]

like im tired of all these things added to the game, but no one is using it cuz its not worth it to use it cuz its not the meta. like u almost never see overlord drops from zergs cuz like hydras they are ass. u need overlord speed. u need to morph into a dropper lord. the loading and unloading of units is horrible compared to the other races. u lose a dropper lord u actually lose supply as well. like holy crap. other races. i make dropship/warp prison....its out, everyone can load in instantly....boom lets go if it dies so what its easy to replace. zerg ohh god let me make sure i get more supply lords, morph into a dropper. one by one load in my lings...what it can only hold how much? ohh thank god we got the nydus network huh....oh wait no one uses that either....its trash? wait ur saying even the nydus can only load and unload one at a time....how many can fit in there??? that sucks.