Starfield: 44 CPU Benchmark, Intel vs. AMD, Ultra, High, Medium & Memory Scaling

[@dann5480]

Benchmarking 44 CPUs while also being unwell? Steve is a beast.

[@antoniocampos1151]

Good guy Steve!

[@Grievous-]

Steve also did the GPU benchmarking whilst unwell.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

He will benchmark until his last breadth. And unlike ltt he'll make sure that they are accurate.

[@mayonotes9849]

Thanks Steve.

[@cleverja]

Steve is sick while playing Starfield in bed

[@jasondailey9402]

These numbers are gut-wrenching for a Ryzen 5000 owner... Hopefully future game patches can bring their performance up!

[@Hjominbonrun]

not really. I expect a 5 series will be absolutely choked with NVidia 4090 driver overhead. I am waiting for a 7900XT review with lower spec chips.

[@chillwavesessions2784]

Team blue…

[@GewelReal]

​@@Hjominbonrunwho cares about AMD

[@esistdume]

​@@GewelReal i dont know probably like 50% of all gamers lmao

[@jrminate]

@@thenutsonyourchin They were probably so busy and for all cpu tests they just popped them in and left them at all default settings in the bios too. I wouldn't be worried on the 5800x3d results, this is at 1080p too where it puts more load on the cpu. At 1440p it puts more of the load on the GPU so its not as bad, but then you need a higher end gpu. Also the 5800x3d always gets bad results if you just pop it in and leave it at bios defaults. If you tweak the 5800x3d with kombo strike 3 or pbo you can gain up to 10% in games easy if you know what you are doing. It will lower the temps by a huge margin and allow the cpu to boost at max boost almost the whole time. I have a video showing what a balanced 5800x3d system can do in atlantis city.

[@artemalexandrovich6855]

Thank you for including old CPUs. Very informative test👍

[@madgodzilla12465]

Definitely more useful as most people are still on older platforms.

[@cfif_asd]

нереалистичный тест для старых cpu. Тем более играть в звездное поле такое себе, игра какашка.

[@FastSloth87]

I'm playing on a 4690K + 6750 XT, having a blast!

[@jonnyc4744]

@@FastSloth87 4770k here & 1080 ti hwu performance hub seems good enough.

[@cfif_asd]

2600x+ rx5700

[@The_Chad_]

It's so impressive what the 2 of you do. The sheer volume of premium quality, in-depth content at such a high frequency, is truly astounding. All I do is upload some low quality let's plays and it takes up all of my free time and I still can't produce as much as you do, let alone your quality being on another level. I didn't have as much appreciation for what you do until I saw for myself just how difficult it can be. You guys are heros.😊

[@alexusman]

3. There's also Balin now.

[@TheChodax]

Totally agree, I just wish they didn't look like Kenny Everett. I'm always waiting for the giant hands to appear. 😁

[@TheChodax]

​@@alexusmanthat's not a real person, it's an imaginary friend. 😁

[@AthanImmortal]

Thank you to Steve for doing such a comprehensive test of so many generations. Hope you feel better soon, Steve! Thanks Tim for summarising it so well.

[@syncmonism]

Finally some thorough tests showing the 6-core Zen 3 CPUs against the 8-core Zen 3 CPUs, as well as the Zen 2 ones as well (talking about the non X3D ones). I find it very interesting to see here that the 8-core 3700X is not performing any better than the 3600, and also that the 5800X performs virtually the same as the 5600 and 5600X. Especially with the Ryzen 3000 series, this is a great example of the 3700X just not panning out as a good long term investment for a gaming CPU, as it was clearly better to get a 3600 and then upgrade to a 5600 if you wanted more performance. There have been some rare exceptions where more cores starts becoming helpful in some games, but a newer 6-core is almost always still at least as good as an older 8-core CPU even in games which do scale really well across more than 6-cores. That being said, the 5800X3D is pretty expensive, and just upgrading your entire platform to AM5 and skipping the 5800X3D seems like arguably a better long term choice. If you DO decide to get an X3D CPU, when it comes to the 5800X3D, the price seems close enough to the 5600X3D that it's probably worth paying extra for it, and the 5600X3D isn't available to the vast majority of people anyway, AND it might be better to choose the 8-core Zen 3 X3D CPU because you won't be able to easily upgrade past that on the AM4 platform... But it's not like upgrading to AM5 is all that expensive anymore anyway, especially if you can get a decent price on your old AM4 motherboard, CPU, and RAM.

[@vladavelickovic0306]

"These tests have shown us that Starfield is quite unoptimized mayhem! Of course, much respect to the team presenting us with these excellent tests! Cheers!"

[@prosecanlik4296]

Preporucen procesor kaze Ryzen 5 3600X. Noviji i jaci 5600X (znaci naslednik 3600X) jedva gura 60fps... ma haos

[@mahdicloete587]

I wouldn't call it a mess but it is showing weird behaviour, it seems to prefer Intel CPUs and AMD GPUs.

[@124thDragoon]

I really didn’t think I’d ever see the 8700K beat the 5950X on a benchmark chart for a newly released game. Creation Engine 2 is definitely one of the graphics engines of all time. Amazing stuff.

[@josephkelly4893]

I did

[@mrbobgamingmemes9558]

Its more like optimization problem honestly

[@ThunderingRoar]

At this point it's kind of an abomination of an engine

[@1Grainer1]

probably uses single or duo core, without hyperthreading, like any good early 2000s game engine

[@glordium1951]

what is the point if the engine is demanding but the game itself doesnt look any better than older games in terms of graphics ?

[@terzaputra3203]

By sheer performance alone, this game might be the most unoptimized game this cursed year has to offer.

[@piyapolphetmunee3879]

But ironically is still the most optimized bethesda softworks game

[@tringuyen7519]

@@piyapolphetmunee3879This is the new normal for state of the arts games. Other game devs will follow suit pushing gamers to newer CPUs & GPUs.

[@_nom_]

uGOTY😊

[@null643]

@@piyapolphetmunee3879 Is it though? Hardware has gotten better so they get away a bit more with shit optimization. With FSR enabled by default, helps hiding it as well.

[@RedundancyDept]

Immortals of Aveum is worse, apparently. The difference is that no one cares about that game--and no one's buying it.

[@AssassinKID]

That's a lot of benchmarks! Hope Steve is well

[@lamikal2515]

He is busy benchmarking the medecine and care he is receiving.

[@imglidinhere]

I do not know how you manage to put out videos of this quality with just a handful of you. Your editor has to be a master of his craft at this point. :D Excellent as always.

[@gnovincejr2]

I just love when games come out and it literally gives content creators HOURS of content to create!!!

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Lol, same here. I don't give a damn about starfield. The only game I'm really excited for is Alan wake 2

[@artemisDev]

It have not even came out, officially.

[@tyre1337]

it also gives hardware manufacturers a big boost in sales from people being persuaded their 2 year old hardware isn't good enough anymore

[@Volker_A4]

I actually hate the amount of coverage out for a "unreleased" game. I would have liked to play it blind. But I'm not paying $30 extra. Nor am I willing to do a 7 day media blackout for a game advertised as "Day 1 on Game Pass."

[@gnovincejr2]

@@artemisDev Oh yeah! Good point! I actually forgot about that.

[@VectorGaming4080]

I was a bit shocked to see how hard this game hit my 5800X in New Atlantas’ MAST area where I would drop as low as 55 FPS just on the CPU. It’s still totally playable, but I regularly get well over 100 FPS in AAA games paired with my RTX 4080, and to see the CPU be the bottleneck here at 60 FPS is so weird. Luckily, this is a perfect problem for DLSS 3 as now I don’t go lower than 85 FPS in the worst case scenario and am almost always above 100 FPS at 4K high/ultra settings. It’s a crime they didn’t package DLSS 3 or FSR 3 in this game for how much it brutalizes our CPUs.

[@VictusPrime]

You guys are killing it with Starfield performance coverage!

[@chrislemery8178]

This is the type of starfield performance review I was waiting for and didn't think anyone was going to do. This is excellent work and I want to thank you very much for all the hard work. Something like this is not easy to do. This is yet another reason why this is my top go to hardware review channel. No bs, just serious talk about our serious hobby. So many other channels make me cringe and you guys do it just right.

[@VatiWah]

yeah, i think the 1% lows is most important and especially in the cities. the cities is most important since you often go there multiple times.

[@chrislemery8178]

@@VatiWah Akila is rooooough! Stutter city.

[@unknownuser0006]

Weird to see that the 5800X3D is that much behind

[@Vinterloft]

It's really not, it's just one of the first games where RAM matters and people who bought 5800X3D were misinformed that the cache meant they could cheap out on RAM and be fine. As long as you have a high-end PCIe 4.0 SSD you get a lot more performance out of an undervolted 5800X3D with 3800Mhz memory than with 3200mhz memory. Looking at these numbers I guarantee it was done with a PCIe 3 SSD or low-end PCIe 4 SSD and low memory frequency. I get 100-120FPS with 6950XT and the HUB optimized settings.

[@jensvev0]

amd in general falls far behind intel processors for this game

[@grievesy83]

@@Vinterloft They didn't use the HUB optimized settings dude, it was presets minus FSR - there's the difference. Not PCIe gen.

[@docrx1857]

​@@Vinterloft I agree. I run an unervolted 5800x3d w/ a 7900 xtx and 4000Mhz memory. Playing at 1440p Ultra with no upscaling I have rarely seen FPS drop below 90-100 and it is often well over 100

[@powerbutton2694]

​@@docrx1857 they said 100 times that they benchmarked at the most demanding section of the game

[@keithlowe5512]

You guys knocked it out of the park. Really appreciate this work.

[@innocentiuslacrim2290]

Oh I really like that you used the good system specific RAM for each system.

[@jrherita]

Hi HU - Which SSD do you use for testing here? (Curious as that may affect minimum fps)

[@Julzaa]

It baffles me that this game isn't out yet for 95% of us and there're so many videos about it

[@watching_events447]

Good news for consumers though. Keeping us informed

[@Julzaa]

​@@watching_events447I agree and in this case it's nice because there are already mods improving gameplay, but I also think this is all subject to major changes compared to a possible day one patch

[@pedroferrr1412]

The game was cracked on the first of September.

[@Julzaa]

@@pedroferrr1412 there was a pre-release for people who paid more, this has nothing to do with piracy

[@turboimport95]

@@pedroferrr1412 I can confirm this. It plays pretty good at the beginning with a 5900x and a 4080 at 4k max settings. And I Got it at a really great price $0.0 🤣🤣

[@MrGorpm]

What a fantastic test (and a lot of work) to bring home how important it is to balance your cpu to your gpu choice. This will be helpful to a lot of viewers - great work Steve, I hope you get well soon.

[@skullheim5816]

10k to 1 MILLION SUBS!!! SPREAD THE LOVE EVERYONE! THESE AUSSIE BLOKES DESERVE the MILESTONE! Been watching since I stumbled across Steve and Tim when they had just only hit 5k subs. So good to see this channel and community grow!

[@Manuel-rl6um]

When they had 5K Tim wasn't there and Steve was behind the scenes. I don't recall it but I think Steve started being visible when Hardware Unboxed had around 20K subs. Correct me if I am mistaken please

[@sammyflinders]

​@@Manuel-rl6umyeah this guy is full of it. Lol They used to have another host and Steve was as you said behind the scenes. Tim came on way later.

[@DeathComeInPeace]

Amazing job, guys! Personally, I expect to see improvements on performance for Starfield in the upcoming weeks so the charts might be all over the place again. Game doesn't look incredible to justify the current level of performance.

[@andyastrand]

"I expect to see improvements on performance for Starfield in the upcoming weeks" - knowing Bethesda this may be optimistic

[@oneblacksun]

@@andyastrand They patch their games a lot when they're new, so they will do that.

[@andyastrand]

@@oneblacksun It's a game engine that came out originally around 2011, and its been used on lots of games and its still not optimized to work properly with a Ryzen 5800X that came out 3 years ago. I wouldn't hold your breath is what I'm saying. I'm still in shock mode from the fact they still don't support ultrawide or bigger. Todd is still relying on people he doesn't pay to fix his software for him.

[@rawhide_kobayashi]

@@oneblacksun But they don't really patch in heavy performance optimization. Just bug fixes. They clearly don't care about performance beyond getting at least 30fps on whatever the current gen consoles are.

[@professordoctordickbutt4083]

​@@andyastrandit's a lot older than that, it's the same engine used for Morrowind, then it was renamed to gamebryo and used for oblivion/fo3, then upgraded and used for Skyrim/fo4/fo76, and now upgraded again and used for starfield.

[@grievesy83]

Love your work HUB team, and get well soon Steve.

[@quintrapnell3605]

Thanks guys. I know I personally asked for this in your last video, and you already were working on it.

[@valentinvas6454]

So even if I had an RTX 4090 I could only hope for 55 FPS in this settlement with my Ryzen 5 5600. That is just wonderful. I really wonder what the day 1 patch will bring because otherwise this might be the worst optimized AAA game ever at this point.

[@adonbanchamek2254]

Yeah, so unoptimized it's crazy

[@lilpain1997]

Edit to add even more games that are worse or were worse: That's going a bit far. Did we all forget TLOU on PC? Or Star wars? Saints row 2 PC port? GTA IV? Batman Arkham Knight, Dark souls, Ark. Its far, far, far from the worst ever, let alone this year.

[@TheSwayzeTrain]

​@@lilpain1997😂 true.

[@Icureditwithmybrain]

im on a 5700x and starfield runs at 4k 60fps all day long paired with the 7900xtx

[@Spiggle.]

8700k (that came out same year as Zen 1) showing its superior speed here, surprised it's doing so well too.

[@Hugh_I]

Incredible how much effort Steve puts into testing this game even when sick. Especially when you know that you're testing a pre-release of the beta version of a game that clearly has lots of headroom for perf improvements in future updates, which means you can do all that work again soon enough. Thanks Steve!

[@imo098765]

Dont you know, Steve regenerates every time he finishes benchmarks

[@pyrostuart]

Awesome work from Steve, such a beast. About the game, for sure need optimizations, specially on using more cores, mostly CPUs nowadays are 6+ cores and the game seems to not use more than 4 while being heavily CPU bound in some areas.

[@mikfhan]

Yeah if CPU load % is hovering around 30% the best bet is probably getting the fastest 4 core 8 thread CPU you can afford, but then you hamstring yourself for other games that DO use 6-8 cores properly, so not very future proof. Hoping BGS can adjust Creation Engine 2.0 to use more cores fully, but would not keep my hopes up for massive changes post-release. Xbox series S (the slowest of Starfield consoles) has 8 cores 16 threads so they can't use consoles as an excuse, it would also benefit consoles not just PC to use more cores. Steve Walken: "Guess what?! I got a fever! And the only prescription, is more benchmarks!" kzbin.info/www/bejne/i5enapmNqZ2bqLM

[@Waldherz]

"The visuals on sight dont always live up to the performance" Just be honest and direct. The visuals never justify the performance in this title. Period.

[@OlaJustin]

Seeing the 7700K so close to a 5950X is just... LOL

[@SweatyFeetGirl]

starfield just loves single threaded performance. and skylake ( aka intel 6th,7th,8th,9th,10th gens) are all the same really

[@sic22l]

@@SweatyFeetGirl Starfield loves cache/memory subsystem with high bandwidth and that's where all Ryzens struggle.

[@malathomas6141]

@@sic22l8700k has better cache and faster memory than 5600x?

[@ArielJerseyJr]

Now that's how you benchmark. Even more impressive that it was done by a single person and by the way his unwell. Get well soon Steve.

[@MrRez808]

I have been running the game on a 7700x and a 7900xtx @ 1440p and it goes from 80 to 166 fps depending on the area. It is smoother after I used some of the setting in your Starfield settings guide. Side note; I got my GPU, CPU, motherboard and RAM for the same price as a RTX4090.

[@Checkout17]

Happe you 😄👍

[@GewelReal]

yeah, but it's not 4090

[@CersionX]

@@GewelRealin this game it is

[@denniskarlsson6173]

@@GewelReal Be realistic no one needs a 4090 for a great gaming experience which is clearly shown from amd with their price to performance

[@Owyn95-wl3vw]

Absolutely amazing work!! Thanks so much Steve! Just thinking to build a new system and this test was really very helpful.

[@Maxxilopez92]

Brutally unoptimized....

[@broniusmosiejus4753]

The real star of this episode is 13100 with its 4c8t sliding between 5800x3d and 5600x3d...

[@z0mb1e564]

I would not consider building a computer specifically for Starfield today. If I get this game, I’ll probably stick to medium settings. I’m expecting Starfield performance to improve a bit as the game and drivers are patched.

[@samk7500]

I don't plan to upgrade for starfield or any game this year as well. I do run an Intel CPU and AMD GPU so it appears my budget purchases a while back landed me the best combo for running starfield lmao

[@lilnapkin462]

What is this optimism based on? This is just the latest iteration of an awful engine that Bethesda refuses to ditch. You got a half-finished buggy game. This should be your expectation, not a surprise.

[@BiasWordSmith]

WOW! Thank you for the impeccable work.

[@KinGzeDK]

So awesome how you guys test older CPU's. Not everyone switches when there's a new generation releasing. I'm still rocking my 8700K with a 3080, but it is starting to show it's age.

[@idiotreviews]

I think if possible a Cpu upgrade would help. The 3080 is a nice card, your being limited by your gpu. I just upgraded not long ago from the i7 7700k. I have to say I'm a little disappointed with the performance of Starfield. That being said my 7700 and a 1080ti got me to this point even running most games at 4k 120hz. I gotta say starfield needs serious optimization here. Nvidia not having DLSS is also a huge disappointment.

[@KinGzeDK]

​@@idiotreviews I Agree, but I'll keep it for now. Cpu is running 5Ghz and gpu is at 97-99% usage, so won't see a huge lift and I don't think it's worth the expenses atm. Remember that they use a 4090 in this video which will always be bottlenecked by an 8700K. Might eliminate some microstutter though. In one of the cities a bit into the game I thought it was a bit sluggish. Turned on fps counter and it was down to 45 fps. I use the high preset in 4k. This game just is very demanding but 24h into the game and not a single crash and just minor bugs.

[@idiotreviews]

@@KinGzeDK Well I think if you look at the Cpu videos for new games like starfield, it would make a huge improvement to upgrade your cpu. If you don't care about starfield then I think you still will be ok for a while yet lol. My screen is 120hz and 4k native. The 7700k and the 1080ti (Your card is much better) ran 4k for every game I threw at it. I found any game other then starfield or crysis 3 (Sorry but it's true) could be run on the old setup @ 4k with just about everything maxed out. Call of duty, Diablo 4 and hogwarts legacy all run at high settings in 4k around 60 fps. So I do have a question though. Are you saying because your overclocked at 5ghz a new cpu wouldn't be an upgrade for you because it runs at similar clock speeds?

[@idiotreviews]

@@KinGzeDK Glad to hear everything is working so well for you @4k. I also run 4k Ultra. I did find my old setup running the i7 7700k and a 1080ti ran Starfield. Now not at anything like 4k ultra or even high was playable (At launch) in my eyes running at full resolution. Some would say the game ran ok as it was about 30 fps with no FSR. When I turned on the Fsr and lowered the resolution the game ran not too badly considering the systems age. The new driver update seemed to add a tiny bit of performance to my current setup. This tells me the game was not well optimized for PC at launch. At least on my system. I'm unsure if AMD users are getting any increases in frames per second via driver optimization, or if it's the same as at launch. I should also add that I didn't buy a PC for Starfield. It just happened that I got one a few months before the game launched. I wonder (possible video?) what the difference would be between drives? I know they said SSD only but I am running all Nvme but it's running through a Dock via USB 3 for my main. My drive inside the system is nvme also. I wonder what a normal SSD runs like and also I'd love to hear how an old plain hard disk drive works. Does it make a huge difference in loading and play times? By how much? It would also be really neat to see how it would run on a regular hard drive even though the system requirements say an SSD is needed. One last note is a Thank you for your replies.

[@john066]

Wow thanks for this video. This had to be a ton of work. Appreciate it

[@beachslap7359]

The fact that zen 3 with no vcache can't reach 60 fps ON AVERAGE is mindboggling. It's terrifying to see how demanding games are becoming.

[@andrewquinn5946]

Zen 3 CPU's are still more than enough, its the game that needs work

[@mercurio822]

if you use a Radeon GPU you will get more performance due to nvidias overhead

[@maegnificant]

Unoptimized

[@ThunderingRoar]

​@@mercurio822Tim said that theres no difference in driver overhead in starfield in previous video

[@xneurosiis]

It's not all games, just this one. I'm running a R5 3600 and 2070 Super and still manage to get over 100fps on 1440p with settings tweaked.

[@bofast]

Thanks for checking on the memory speed impacts, much appreciated!

[@Syssn3ck]

You guys are the absolute best! Incredible work as always (unlike bethesda's optimization department)

[@TheMorteReport]

Enabling Message Signaled-based Interrupts on my system made a huge difference in cities for me. Running an i7-9700k and a 4070.

[@escapee909909]

The highlight is how well that i3 fares, I'm about to build around that.

[@Winnetou17]

And the 13th gen i3s are basically just very slightly overclocked 12th gen i3s. They don't have the cores from Raptor Lake, with the increased L2 cache size (2MB instead of 1.25MB). I hope that gets "fixed" in the 14th gen and there's Raptor cores on the whole stack. Those i3s could be real killers

[@benzbubblecat]

the old 8700k being ahead of the 5800X is insane. One of the most intel-slanted games in recent memory.

[@MMRSSM]

This was an AMD sponsored game

[@SimplyMenacing19]

Thank you for including low end processors, my 12100F should still rip at 60+fps and even beat out the 5800x3d and older i5/i7s. Crazy for a ~100$ processor.

[@mryellow6918]

Crazy considering it's like an amd first game.

[@pju28]

I am grateful for your effort all of you did for this video! Thumbs up 👍 - I am lucky to be one of your subscribers of this channel!

[@marcosousaesteves]

"console like experience" 😂 Great testing as usual 👍

[@Krokodilius]

this is an 'AMD title' and the fuggin i5 is out here slaying their best ☠

[@t5kcannon1]

Great work. Thank you. Game seems remarkably hardware intensive. Which part of the hardware is hit the most? Naturally, driver updates will surely assist too.

[@TurboBass]

People keep making excuses for Starfield "oh it's so demanding" and "look at this whole open world wow" but in the most intense places my CPU peaks at 65% utilization. It boosts to 4.5GHz but overall core usage and per CCX doesn't exceed 65% (highest number I've seen in HWMonitor and HwInfo) This game needs optimization in a major way, cause these "Oh it's such a hard game to run!!!" is just incorrect.

[@saricubra2867]

Cyberpunk 2077 is way more demaning in a good way for both the CPU and GPU and graphically speaking, it looks lightyears better. Starfield looks like a PS4 game.

[@bingbong3084]

pleasantly surprised with i5 11400 ,usually when 3600 doesnt preform well in a game i fear same will happend to 11400 ,quite a difference considering both CPUs cost the same when i bought the intel one

[@panathaninf]

Wow! That was a pretty extensive benchmarking ! Well done!

[@thalo215]

I find the performance between the various core counts interesting. It's validation of stuff you guys have said for a while about core counts.

[@TUTruth]

What did they say?

[@darks820]

@@TUTruth They basically said that games "requiring a minimum of cpu cores" is a misconception, it's just that cpus with less cores in the same or older architectures tend to be weaker. In other words, single core performance is still more important for games than more cores.

[@THU31]

IPC, clocks and cache have always been more important than core counts for gaming. In most cases a new 6C/12T CPU will be faster than an older 8C/16T. Even the newest 4C/8T will be faster than a much older 8C/16T. But there are games that can utilize a ton of cores, like Spider-Man Remastered. That game can even actively utilize E-cores when you get close to 200 FPS.

[@dcarpenter85]

Steve is the Max Verstappen of PC benchmarks. Absolute machine.

[@FrostyBud777]

I am so glad I got the 7700X and 7900xtx. They really perform well and I can upgrade in the future easily with a drop in cpu/gpu update! Loving amd now. First amd cpu or gpu in 15 years!

[@meh-tc6vv]

This is the reason I went with the 7600x. Prob going to upgrade in 2026. The common view when I built my pc was just go with am4 as am5 is too buggy and not worth it. I paid less than going with the 5800x3d am getting better performance and I've not had any platform issues. really glad I went with am5

[@PaulLemars01]

Thank you for the amazing work the three of you do. I'm feeling fairly good about Starfield. I game at 75FPS2K and it appears my 12600K/RX6800XT based rig will give me that frame rate. Best wishes and get well soon Steve.

[@5poolcatrush]

These results reminded me of the state of things from older CPU reviews like zen 1 or zen+. Well, it tells that game engine is just pretty much outdated.

[@spiritcrunch]

Absolutely. There is no reason a 3300x (4 cores) and a 3700x (8 cores) should be tied. CPU multi core optimization is non existent in this game. This game engine really is just Skyrim in space.

[@xAvaragex]

Me smiling because I bought a i3 13100, bang for buck this chop is a beast and I'm shocked at the stats 😲💪

[@viktorm.9329]

Thank you HW unboxed for going back as far as 7th gen intel. You are awesome! It was heartwarming to see my aging 8086k "outperform" the Zen3 bunch.😄Even if it wasn't a world champ performance. I'm not planning to upgrade for this game sorry bethesda.

[@CanwegetSubscriberswithn-cu2it]

Sitting here wirh a 4770k.... 😅

[@ognjen982]

Sitting here with a i7 3770😊

[@kravenfoxbodies2479]

I have a 7600x,but their out of their mind thinking I will buy a 7900XTX for 1080p low with upscaling.

[@Taraquin83]

Very impressive testing! Bravo HWUB!

[@cjmoss51]

Is there a particular method to picking the CPU's? I noticed the i7 12700K missing and I feel like it would outperform some of the others on the list.

[@mryellow6918]

It's basically the i9 tho

[@RobertRedford-h4b]

based on the steam survey, about 0.9% of gamers build will be able to play this game nicely.

[@jporter504]

I appreciate the work it takes to get these videos out. So I watched the GPU benchmark video yesterday and saw what I could expect from my RX 6800 XT and today I saw what I could expect from my Ryzen 5600x but now I have to figure out what to expect from the two together. Might make a difference so I can decide what AMD part to buy to get the free game.

[@momovalencia1]

Keep your 6800xt it's pretty good for 1440p high settings. Keep your cpu as well, unless you're willing to upgrade your motherboard + Ram for ddr5.

[@asuraKabuto]

I would say, keep your 6800xt and get am5 with 7700(x)- it looks fairly cheap, aroud 310$.also there was good am5 bundle options on Amazon, it's gone now.

[@halistinejenkins5289]

Hot Damn!!! ❤‍🔥 CPU testing. my fav! you even included the great 8700K! good work men!

[@Belfor09]

AMD Sponsored title with AMD CPUs getting trashed around by some random 8700K. That's... a horrible title. 5800X3D getting beaten by 13100? UserBenchmark "experts" were working on Starfield or something? Gees...

[@noticing33]

Its almost like AMD isn't controlling starfield development 😮

[@zdenkakoren6660]

We have to ask on what Hardware was Starfield made ??? Xeon or Thredripper or what type, i think the goal was 80FPS Native and FSR3/DLSS3 160 at 4K but no RT Looking at CPU usage it was on 8/16 core-12 core cpu and it likes high Mhz this sounds like Intel CPU 13900K Cuz the game has no DLSS and no RT this is what they used: 7900xtx 13900KS and some crayz ram speed..... AMD GPU is better in RAW no RT and it has better CPU overhead.

[@sic22l]

Bethesda's Creation Engine is very demanding when it comes to cache/memory subsystem and that's where AMD CPUs have the most limitations.

[@Belfor09]

@@sic22l And that's why 5800X3D with 3DVC is getting trashed by random 150$ 4/8 CPU which is 13100? That's nonsense.

[@noticing33]

@@Belfor09 hahahaa Bethesda engine is just shit, how the hell can you not utilise that 96mb of l3 cache for better perf and only end up matching a 11400f(NOT EVEN 12400F) 🤣 we saw with star citizen that the x3d chips gained big advantage

[@mkaleborn]

Gotta say I’m feeling damn good about my i5-13600k ‘compromise’ cpu. I saved a few hundred and dumped it in to the gpu. So far, worth it. Thanks for all the work you guys do!

[@Shatterfury1871]

Unless this is literally the only game you will play on the current build you have, no, you don't have anything to be proud of. Ryzen have 2 more launches on AM5 and luckily Unreal Engine 5 likes hyperthreading unlike this custom Bethesda engine.

[@Shatterfury1871]

@tilapiadave3234 Yeah, that is why AMD has majority of the market share and out sells Intel. The game isn't using multi threading enough and is basically stuck relying single core performance. This is 10 year old engine, don't get your panties in a twist. Oh, and AMD cards are better for this game. 🤣

[@another3997]

In the '70s, my parents bought me a simple games console and lightgun, followed by the revolutionary Atari VCS. I've been in to computers and gaming ever since, and for decades I used to build and upgrade my PCs regularly. But some things don't change. (1) New games often push the hardware to it's limits, and (2) some people get so hung up on frame rate numbers and detail levels, they forget that you don't NEED either for a game to be fun and extremely playable. 🙄 Ultra fine background details look great when you're just admiring the scenery, but most get "lost" when actually engrossed in the game. Nowadays I just upgrade using "outdated", but cheap parts. Then I buy games that run on it, which have by then come down in price too. fun. Same fun for less money. 😁

[@Artex08]

Couldnt agree more :-) i happened to „need“ the newest and shiniest in gaming tech available, but now as a parent, now i concentrate on things more important (in a gaming context). I bought the Steam Deck, which showed me, that you indeed dont need the highest settings, in order to have fun playing a certain game, which inevitably led me to wait and see if and when it is plausible for me to upgrade. What i would like to add is the fact, that even low(er) settings often deliver acceptable visual quality while providing really nice performance numbers.

[@ArtisChronicles]

​@@Artex08 I learned a lot of that by being on an R7 250 when it was the new low end card. I'm not opposed to playing around with settings to get something that feels more smooth.

[@m_sedziwoj]

11:00 memory scaling have 2 option transfer speed (4800 -> 7200) and latency (CL going down), so is good to put both. Especially when Intel CPU are faster, because they have better memory controller, which suggesting bigger impact on timing than memory speed.

[@AlexHusTech]

*So it's best to use a AMD GPU with a Intel CPU to get the most out of Startfield at this point*

[@Checkout17]

For the time being, probably.

[@darreno1450]

Only at 1080p. 1440 + 4k, the difference is much smaller.

[@middle_pickup]

Hope you do the same rundown for Phantom Liberty.

[@MaddyBee]

i3 1200 and 1300 looking like pretty good value

[@jake9854]

wait but u r a girl, y would u be interested in this game tho?

[@benjaminoechsli1941]

Nice of Tim from Monitors Unboxed to take over HUB while Steve is unwell. ;P Get well soon, Steve! Thanks for the hard work.

[@MisterFoxton]

Very cool to see my old i5-7600K there, only replaced it a month ago with a 7600...for demonstrable reasons.

[@Fatmouse25]

My last upgrade was a 2500k to a 2600. Now on 5600x3d.

[@goodfodder]

Being an amd sponsored title, was expecting zen to be at the top of the pile

[@winj3r]

In a year of badly optimized games, Bethesda managed to release a strong contender for the title.

[@astro7996]

LOOOL the thumbnail! Thanks for this video

[@deand359]

I just ordered parts for my new system. I was torn between an AM4 build with the 5800X3D and an AM5 build with the 7600x since both configurations are exactly the same price where I live. I am very glad I decided to go for AM5! Not only because of those benchmarks, but for longevity of my build in general. The 7600x seems like the perfect price to performance choice.

[@shadowred1980]

Thank you for testing the older cpu's. Very useful information for us.

[@drkha666]

Amazing work :) I think this game engine is extremely un optimised :(

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

Very bad scalability and very demanding on the CPU for no good reason.

[@elirantuil5003]

​@@DragonOfTheMortalKombatit simulates the entire game world at 1 fps every second of play, with the current cell you're in simulated matching your framerate. Every second, the cpu iterates over every actor (or at least every human NPC) and updates its state. That's actually a very good reason.

[@artemisDev]

@@DragonOfTheMortalKombat I disagree, I think it uses CPU very well for what it does, rather it's the GPU utilization that's undeserved for.

[@drkha666]

the funny part that the the graphic quality (details) are not that good for that kind of performance.

[@MenTal9R]

Nice job stepping in for Steve on the on camera work for these Starfield vids Tim! Shout out to Steve doing all this work while he's sick, clearly beast mode is activated. I'm loving Starfield, but damn, it is brutally unforgiving on PC resources. I had visions of 100fps all day every day with my rig. Umm... Yeah, nope! I really hope Nvidia and Bethesda can improve the situation in the near future. Great game though, I'm thoroughly enjoying it!

[@Aggrofool]

so much for the AMD-sponsored Conspiracy Theories

[@DebasedAnon]

It's amazing to me how many people just ran with the whole "AMD blocked DLSS" narrative based solely off the fact that AMD's response to the accusations was too corporate and not direct enough. That's, at most, enough to be suspicious and look into it further but instead it was "YUP ITS 100% CONFIRMED" and everyone just ran with it. I severely doubt AMD would take that massive PR risk for basically nothing to gain.

[@grievesy83]

Still doesn't have native DLSS support. And neither AMD nor Bethesda have stated that DLSS is not blocked by the terms of the sponsorship. So I'd say it's still very much an open question at best, and leaning towards confirmed at worst (given they're STILL yet to deny the accusation) in relation to graphics processing.

[@flimermithrandir]

@@grievesy83 Actually AMD did say they did not Block it and they also said if Bethesda chose to implement it, they will support them. Source, a Verge Article where Frank (i think) was interviewed a Week ago or so. So this Info is kind of new still and i am not the one to tell you to believe it... and its stupid from them still, they never said anything about it before this, because they had plenty Time... but thats how it is now.

[@grievesy83]

@@flimermithrandir Cheers, I appreciate that new info. It is nothing short of bizarre that they didn't tackle the issue quickly as it suggest they might have had to undo something in the sponsorship agreement. If that's the case then they did block it and then unblocked it when called out (GN Steve was concerned about this), so at this point it's a case of "who knows?" Fingers crossed it isn't repeated as the DLSS community mod seems superior to FSR, which also throws the "but it's difficult for devs to do both" argument out the window.

[@DebasedAnon]

@@grievesy83 If you lean towards "confirmed" because something isn't denied outright in black and white terms then your logic is severely skewed. There has been 0 evidence to prove that AMD did any dealings to keep DLSS out of anything, what you're touting as evidence is them denying it in an overly corporate way where they refuse to just outright say "no". AMD's PR and Marketing have both been notoriously bad which makes it 10x more illogical to jump to that conclusion than it would be for a different company. Don't attribute to malice that which can be chalked up to incompetence.

[@katietree4949]

Can't wait for optimization video. Seriously, not enough youtubers actually make optimization videos. Its always ONLY low/med/high/ultra only and rarely a video about a mix of everything to achieve the best outcome.

[@kravenfoxbodies2479]

It should play great out of the box without a wheelchair like FSR 2.2 to help it along.

[@DragonOfTheMortalKombat]

You guys should also test out all the performance optimization mods that'll surely come out because modders somehow always end up doing better work than developmers lol. 😅

[@ThunderingRoar]

I highly doubt this considering that modders dont have any access to lower level tools to do proper optimization. If anythng its the "oh hey we noticed the clouds or this foliage can have a big impact on performance so we just replaced it with lower quality ones and most people aren't gonna notice the difference" type of mods. And in that case it would require Tim to do indepth visual analysis aswell

[@eigentensor]

You guys are absolute legends to get the 8700k in there, cheers!

[@AtenRaa]

I would really like to see the same testing but with the RX7900XTX

[@glamdring0007]

yes I'd like to know how much impact the nvidia driver overhead had on the different cpus

[@lambvindaloo]

fantastic content! Thank you for your hard work, just subscribed to your channel!

[@NoradNoxtus]

No game has been put through a ringer like this that I can recall xDD be it the gamers, the media, the tests, everyone wants to jump into this one

[@matttiaz7576]

Not really , nobody give a F about this game ,honeslty. Best games dosnt have this type of markething . Just look the different from Cyberbug and Elden Ring. The first one its a mediocre game , used basically just for hardware test , and for Nvidia promote the failure raytracing. 😆 The second one its ,one of the best game in past 5 years.

[@jarenholmes9326]

Cyberpunk

[@Oneiric_Benevolence]

One of the most unoptimized titles that come to mind.

[@tostibrand1273]

You should test on Linux also. I saw video of someone who has 3700x and xt6600 and he got up to 10 fps avg more than on windows with the same hardware and 1% lows were even upto 21fps higher on linux. thats a huge difference!

[@256shadesofgrey]

When I launched it on Linux, I had half the textures missing. But my system is technically below minimum system requirements (R7 1700 + RX580), so it may have been that. But it is also possible that the person you're referring to had some less visible textures missing and that improved his performance over Windows.

[@Blue967]

9k far away from the 1 mil. Mark! You guys already did it! Congratulations!

[@Smagglet]

This is all great info for right now. However, I see this aging pretty quickly. There are definitely gonna be optimization updates that mix up these charts considerably. I am a little disappointed with the day one performance as seen here, and I'm sure a lot of other people are too. It will get better.

[@tourmaline07]

I definitely see this being the case - many nVidia GPUs which are not based on Ada run horribly in this game , particularly my 2080ti (Turing) which just matches an RX 6600XT !?

[@MiTaReX]

It's bewildering to me seeing people expecting noticeable optimization in post-release patches from a major publisher. It's even more unlikely to come from Bethesda. I feel like this is more wishful thinking than a reasonable expectation.

[@withmygoodeyeclosed]

@@MiTaReX Yeah I feel like the FO4 base performance never improved, I don't know why people are expecting differently this time around. They also never fixed FO3 and FNV. I'm just glad I pirated this hot mess and didn't pay a premium for "early access", I would seriously feel ripped off lol.

[@wolfwilkopter2231]

AMD Sponsored Title, where AMD CPUs lack behind, even the famous X3D CPUs... Who wouldve thought that my 5800X3D would be suffering that much in Starfield and fall that far behind even compared to some older Intel CPUs, which wouldnt have the slightest chance against him in pretty much every other game? Thx Steve for the test and get well soon.

[@glasslakes]

Thanks for the video. The most interesting thing for me was 13100 beating 5800x3d. This is bonkers.

[@nostrum6410]

not when you realize how memory dependent this game is

[@malathomas6141]

⁠@@nostrum6410wym memory dependent? Cache is memory?

[@nostrum6410]

@@malathomas6141 but the cache doesn't seem to help much, seems more linked to bandwidth and latency from the ram

[@HeartOfAdeII]

That's a very detailed comparison but I'd love to see memory oc beasts like 8700K/9900K/10700K/10900K not being chocked by low memory/ring speeds. It takes ddr4 higher than even current gen cpus and in such a supposedly ram hungry game seeing 14nm ring bus shine at its brightest would be awesome.

[@kristianszabo6666]

Would be nice to see AMD processors with 7000 series GPU in pair to see the perforamce when using SAM on my side i have 7800x3d + 7900xtx and my numbers are whole different and out preforms these by a lot even the best 13900k with the 4090 so your test are pretty missleading because the combination of your hardware is stuck to 4090 which is a good choice when we are looking at other games but in this scenario the 7900xtx outpreforms the 4090 so i dont see the reason doing the tests with 4090 in this particular game.

[@Spartan536]

Keep in mind these were done at 1080P with no upscaling. Most are playing a 1440P or greater with either the DLSS mod or FSR 2.0 once FSR 3.0 comes out, I am quite certain either a modder will add that to the game or Bethesda will further increasing performance. This does however indicate the need for future performance updates and polish for certain areas of the game, which should come with time. Thanks for taking the time especially while sick to deliver amazing content like this, its pretty eye-opening to see how the game is utilizing resources in certain areas, and not so much in others.

[@dyoanima]

starfield is very bad game

[@dracer35]

Interesting to see the 11900k doing so much better than the 10900k when everyone claimed it was a dud.

[@MicDubTV]

For including my beloved i9-9900K, you guys have earned a sub. Much love from the USA 🇺🇸 👍🏾

[@thomasg2488]

The fact that I have an MSI X570 Gaming Edge (I know, VRM isn't the best I found), Nvidia 3080 Ti, R9 3900X and the frames are in the toilet in cities while higher, well made products, I easily get over 100 FPS no issue on 1080p. I mean, christ, I get 90 to 100 FPS with Cyberpunk when it came out and still get that now. Bethesda just can't develop a game worth a crap.