Starfinder 2e Playtest Class Breakdown

[@SwingRipper]

20:11 glad to hear some of my analysis is holding up in practice lol 25:50 - I recorded all that stuff to come out as early as possible, don't feel bad about it... My entire style is basically to get a video from start of production to release ASAP for a normal video. (Got into that habit from reacting to playtests / new books) 29:50 I actually playtested with a soldier 2-5 in a campaign in its original form before we got the whole book and the takeaway was that it felt very comparable to champion in terms of impact. It definitely had the "all my friends are dead" issue where in boss fights its area damage meant very little.

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

I suspect that might change. Did you see that targeting modules increase your AoE DC? In addition to legendary class DC?

[@SwingRipper]

​@@PsiPrimeProductions1 Where is that? Is that part of the weapon stuff?

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

@@SwingRipper Page 173 of the playtest, under the area fire and auto fire sections. "Any creatures in the area must succeed at a basic Reflex save against your class DC plus the tracking value of the weapon."

[@SwingRipper]

​@@PsiPrimeProductions1oh yea we factored in tracking values, they were a major contributing force of our area damage, but they still were barely scratching bosses... As a debuffer grapplers are still better but avoiding hitting melees was pretty nice

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

@@SwingRipper I suspect that Soldiers, like blaster casters, will really shine against groups of enemies. Like fighting 5 lower-leveled enemies at once. I suspect Action hero and armor storm to be the standout favorites for the increased range, or just running into the center of a group of enemies and shooting the explosive at your feet.

[@dragon11742]

1:50 Envoy 7:04 Mystic 13:02 Operative 20:31 Solarian 26:06 Soldier 30:04 Witchwarper Final thoughts / class balance - 6:49 Envoy 12:32 Mystic 17:28 Operative 24:11 Solarian 29:42 Soldier 33:55 Witchwarper Enjoy the playtest and remember that some or even most of a classes features could change before the final release. 👍

[@valvadis2360]

Pushing this up

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

Thank you.

[@dragon11742]

@@PsiPrimeProductions1 It ain't much but it's honest work. I'm looking forward to Starfinder 2e so I can make a techno dragon character.

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

@@dragon11742 Fun story! Early 2025, they have announced they'll be coming out with the Dragonkin ancestry, a large, dragon-like biped.

[@dragon11742]

@@PsiPrimeProductions1 Yes, but dragon/dragonesque races in ttrpgs tend to be very weak compared to other races. The dragonblood versatile heritage in player core 2 is already looking pretty unimpressive, especially considering they just ripped all the features from kobolds. I'm not asking for a 100 ft fly speed or anything, but I wish being (at least partially) one of the strongest races in the game would be a very strong option and not mostly flavor text with weak abilities that don't stack well with other feats, skills, ext. I want a dragon that makes whatever class I'm playing feel stronger, not a dragon I have to build a class around to feel like a dragon. It's possible Paizo will do that, but I'm not getting my hopes up.

[@PersephoneApplewhite-uk8ts]

I really love the Mystic, but seeing it all spelled out like that, (8hp, light armour, 4 spells) it is just... a better Sorcerer at the moment. I think it's an easy fix though, unlike the operative. Don't know *what* I'd do to fix that

[@kaiserinjacky]

just don’t give it 4 spells. i don’t think it needs that. 3 should be the default, with 4 only going to classes with significant downsides (like only 6 hp and no armor)

[@PersephoneApplewhite-uk8ts]

@@kaiserinjacky *Sigh* Oracle's kinda messed it all up though, hasn't it. Reckon the downsides of Cursebound make up for it?

[@kaiserinjacky]

@@PersephoneApplewhite-uk8ts personally i think not. oracle doesn’t have a reason to have 4 spells per level, especially since managing curses has only gotten easier.

[@PersephoneApplewhite-uk8ts]

@@kaiserinjacky Yeah... I agree

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

Also, the new oracle doesn’t have a whole lot going for it other than their focus spells and mysteries. They don’t get the cool array of blood magic or sorceries potency. The mystic/witchwarper abilities are pretty strong.

[@hanshansomahammau]

I just recently discovered your channel in wake of starfinder 2e dropping and I really dig the videos going deeper into a class. so far I've played dnd mostly, so aside from dabbling in char creation, I haven't played neither sf2e nor pf2e so far. your videos give good insights for newbies! I'd love to see some builds being done w/ these classes to get a beter idea what may be possible (espeically w/ the free archetype variant) just a thought!

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

I do have a video out making a Soldier from an earlier build of the Starfinder Playtest (called the field test.) Glad you like my videos!

[@kidrissa]

JUST starting the video, but as a fan of SwingRipper, it's nice to see our boy get a shout-out from another channel I like. 👍🏾👍🏾

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

You bet!

[@robsutherland9284]

Thanks for the breakdown, it's good content, I feel like I have a better overall understanding of the classes

[@nicolasvillasecaali7662]

Just joined you through finding some of your build videos, will be giving it a look to some old ones but really glad you are also checking this new Starfinder playtest, hopefully will end great once it's released.

[@kaiserinjacky]

my proposed balance adjustments: envoy: fine as is mystic: 3 spell slots max per level. 4 is too much on top of everything it has operative: remove fighter proficiency and ranged reactive strike. maybe give its aim action a +1 circumstance bonus to hit on the attack? solarion: let solar flare use strength and let it scale with accuracy, and buff some of the feats. maybe fighter accuracy with solar weapon but that might be too much. soldier: is as fine witchwarper: like mystic, 3 spell slots per level. it does NOT need 4. maybe buff the anchors a little bit? those felt underwhelming to me personally when i read the playtest.

[@sagecolvard9644]

I would change the Mystic to not get armor proficiency instead of not getting the 4 spell slots per day, so the Witchwarper can be the not-quite Bard, and the Mystic can be the not-quite Sorcerer.

[@benjaminrawls5479]

@@sagecolvard9644I think you’re going. To need some armor proficiency in a game where everyone can shoot the back line. I think that’s going to be a minimum for the ranged meta. I’d rather see any pathfinder classes in a starfinder game getting free light armor proficiency and maybe a boost to four slots. Remember martial get to play with a lot of caster toys thanks to tech as well.

[@joserenatomigliorini4627]

What you missed with the soldier is that firing into an area costs 2 actions so you can not fire again with your third action (and can not hold enough guns to do so. Also, the soldier is highly dependent on enemy saves, which if you ever looked at the numbers... they are AWFUL. Enemies saves are much higher than their AC and while you can buff your attacks and debuff your enemies' AC you can not buff your save DC and rarely if ever can debuff their saves. I ran 5 combats while having a soldier and because of the nature of how PF2e works they are underpowered, in one combat the enemies were taking cover every turn which improved them to greater cover having +4 to AC, the soldier could use area fire to center the AoE behind them ignoring the cover and despite that it was still better for him to ignore his main class feature and roll a single attack roll against an enemy's AC+4 rather than to ask them for a reflex save

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

Uh, I mean, they can? Auto Fire for 2 actions . . . free 'primary target' fire, third action, fire normally (assuming you are using an autofire weapon like the rotolaser.) Also, and I didn't mention this in the video, Autofire Save DCs are increased by your targeting module. So a soldier ends up with legendary in class DCs+3 on top of that for saves, making their saves the hardest to resist in the game at higher levels. Also, the Envoy's base ability is to debuff reflex saves with Get 'em, and Frightened from intimidation also debuffs all saves. I mean, I believe you in that your soldier had a tough time. Sorry about that. If you think they need a buff at earlier levels, that's valid. I'm just bringing up some counter arguments.

[@joserenatomigliorini4627]

@@PsiPrimeProductions1 I have played at higher levels and it is better there but not enough to make them good. Specially with how much slower class DCs go up compared to attack DCs (though they did make it only go up 2 levels slower). Frightened is indeed one condition that will reduce saves but it is often a -1 and hard to maintain, while off guard and a mirriad of other things will reduce enemy's ACs by 2 and stack with one another. Due to the +3 from tracking it will be able to not fall that much behind but does not change the numbers, enemies will still be saving a lot due to the core of how the system works

[@feral_orc]

To your thoughts and example on Hair Trigger, Sniper Rifles (Shirren-eye/Assassin Rifles) have the unwieldy trait and can't be used as a part of Strikes that are triggered from a reaction. The Seeker Rifle (d10 120ft range) is the most "sniper-y" gun that would work with it, thought that might make it edge out the other rifles I think that's fine as there should be a reason to not just auto-pick the Fatal d12 weapons. Edit: Same feedback for the Soldier. The unwieldy trait prevents most of what you're worried about.

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

A lot of autofire guns don't have the unweildy trait, such as the Rotolaser. Also, several soldier abilities let them ignore the unweildy trait.

[@feral_orc]

@@PsiPrimeProductions1 specific features allow that, but not in the example where you're making 2 strikes after an area fire. Once feats get into it I'm sure it'll be more powerful, I've only playtested three sessions so far and it's all been level 1 so things will change. I think the Rotolaser is fine as well because it's not as much damage as an unwieldy weapon. The level 4 feat Punishing Salvo will be more dangerous with the Zero/Stellar cannons, but the Overwhelming Assault feat will be better for auto-fire weapons without unwieldy so it's a pretty balanced choice imo.

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

@@feral_orc Again, take a look at primary target. It gives you a free shot, does not take an action, after making an area fire attack.

[@theonceandfuturething3999]

Two thumbs up, thanks for your hard work!

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

Thanks!

[@samdoorley6101]

Thanks for the breakdown and thoughts. Also, SwingRipper is a pretty sharp guy and if you are on the same wavelength, that's a good thing. Worse comes to worse, you two could always collab.

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

High Praise!

[@timovandervalk679]

The thing that surprises me the most about the solarian, is their class DC progression. They seem similar to a kineticist, by using spell like abilties using their class DC. But kineticist become legendary, just like full spellcasters. Solarians only get expert at 13 and master at 19. That is worde than literally everything else. Full casters get expert at 7, focus spell martials (ranger, monk, paladin) get expert at 9 and even spellcasters archetype gain their expert spellcasting feature at 12.

[@johnharrison2086]

It's good that Envoy is now the skill monkey instead of Operative but Operative is too powerful in this edition as well! Hair Trigger is ridiculous!

[@craigjones7343]

It’s a playtest book. It is not the 2e rulebook. 2e has not even released yet.

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

I don’t want to speak for @johnharrison2086 but I think that’s the point. This is all feedback. This is a way for me to tell you guys what is going on AND to provide feedback to PAIZO.

[@joserenatomigliorini4627]

I think a simple fix for hair trigger could be to make it lv6 and do not let it disrupt

[@mechamaya]

Damn I'm so excited for the Witchwarper, though a bit less so knowing their weapon proficiency never goes up, hopefully that's a typo. They even get some feats that allow them to strike with weapons while sustaining their quantum field, so clearly they imagined some of them shooting guns now and then.

[@SmithLord117]

I like some of the fixes I've seen on the starfinder 2e subreddit, like making it a 6hp class (to really make them a glass cannon), reduce a lot of the action compression (as it stands they are EXTREMELY mobile, which isn't something touched on in this video), and fix hair trigger by doing some of; - Making it a higher tier feat so it cannot be easily acquired through archetype - Reduce its range to half range increment - Do not trigger on ranged attacks - Do not disrupt on a critical hit

[@sagecolvard9644]

Obviously, as this is a playtest, I'm not particularly worried about the overpowered stuff, because we all know it will be nerfed by release, so instead I get to just be excited that we're finally getting Intelligence and Wisdom spontaneous casters.

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

I mean, yes, and also, I hope that Paizo sees this video and takes these ideas into account with the rest of the playtest. And yes, I like that there is a wisdom/int spontaneous caster too.

[@Nastara]

Paizo needs to calm down with 8 hp 4 spell slot casters. Oracle, Witchwarper, and Mystic all being like this makes me wonder why the hell I’d play a Sorcerer or Wizard.

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

That’s why I said they were slightly overturned.

[@Nastara]

@@PsiPrimeProductions1 Indeed we are in agreement.

[@ChrissieBear]

30:00 Most enemies in the playtest have Reflex as their best saving throw so I wouldn't nerf their class DC.

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

Paizo has gone on record saying that was an accident, and they didn't realize that they did that. They assured people that the plan is to make more balanced enemies with a wider range of saving throws. Having made a bunch of enemies for myself for my NPC omnibus, I have to say I get it. There are so many numbers you are looking over, it's esy to miss if you accidentally make one save the highest multiple times.

[@JeanMichelVasconcelos]

I know where the designers want to go with the Operative, but they got lazy IMO. The concept is not bad, they are really different from gunslinger who have more about style and generally are (aside snipers) more mid ranged/close combat gun fighters. The operative is an assassin and the problem is that they are less about stealth and sniping and more about to being a mishmash OP feats and traits.

[@rekcroom]

Watching your Starfinder videos makes me want to see you do a “What if Vox Machina was in Starfinder?” video. It isn’t just a rehash of your Pathfinder 2e series but also “What if Critical Role was Sci-Fi Fantasy?”

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

It's not critical role, but I do have one idea I'm workshopping . . .

[@KOkami03]

So... I was doing some additional research, and I think this might also work as a nerf on Hair Trigger: restrict it to 1-handed guns. Because I found the furthest a 1-handed gun's first range increment goes (among the playtest guns) is 60ft.

[@TheTalentedMrWulf]

I think the Witchwarper Precog is a Dune reference. Feels like it specifically is channeling the idea of using precognitive powers to travel more safely by seeing all the paths that don't end in disaster.

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

I suppose.

[@heroofmythra8691]

13:36 One thing you missed about Operative - the definition of gun is ranged weapon with analog or tech - this isn’t *every* ranged weapon. PF weapons are *archaic*, not analog, analog just means ‘doesn’t operate off electronics’

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

I mean, yes, I meant EVERY STARFINDER weapon. Also, starfinder weapons, by definition, can't be hacked so . . . I mean one could argue they are all analog as well.

[@heroofmythra8691]

@@PsiPrimeProductions1that’s the Glitched condition, which analog weapons are immune to iirc?

[@alanthomasgramont]

The SF1e Mystic was stupid strong in healing at higher levels. I almost felt like I didn’t even want to run the game. Practically every round the mystic just waved his hand and any problems just went away. I would like to avoid that in this version. Also trying to make SF classes comparable with PF2e classes is a cool idea but ultimately might prove too difficult. Time will tell.

[@Saterno]

Honestly a precog pilot makes perfect sense. They'd be great at navigating an asteroid field at high speed

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

No, I get that it'd be good. I just don't see it being the, like the 'default choice' for EVERY Precog. Like, Clerics are INHERENTLY tied to religion, and druids to nature. I just don't see ALL precogs inherently tied to piloting.

[@Saterno]

Fair point... maybe they were thinking about it along the lines of the pilots in Dune? Idk, I suppose we'll see what they decide when the system fully releases

[@tinear4]

My hot take is that SF2 classes *should* feel a bit overtuned vis-a-vis PF2. New technologies exist because they are more effective than their predecessors. While it’s nice to have cross compatibility at the Watsonian level, it’s vital at the Doylian level to build the player base, even if it isn’t strictly “balanced.”

[@davidriggs538]

Good point.

[@benjaminrawls5479]

Yeah I think the souped up casters are kind of necessary in the “ranged meta” though getting all the focus spells for free does sting a bit as a sorcerer player. I’d rather see some guidelines for altering classes between games than have balance be so strict starfinder can’t be the game they want.

[@KOkami03]

So, from what I'm getting from this video is, in your opinion: Envoys are just fine. Mystics and Witchwarpers might be slightly overpowered (Although, Oracle also gets 4 slots per rank and Light armor training). Solarian could use a boost (especially in its ranged options). Soldiers might be slightly overpowered. And Operative is definitely overpowered and needs a few nerfs (And yeah, I think, if Hair Trigger is going to stay in some form, they should lower their weapon proficiency to Master, and decrease the range [perhaps 20-30 ft?] and possibly limit how frequently you can use it too). But anyways, glad to hear your thoughts on the playtest class, PPP!

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

Yeah, I think the class abilities of the Witchwarper and Mystic are a bit stronger than the Oracle. Plus, limiting oracle to ONLY divine, which is a fine spell list but somewhat limiting, is different than access to many spell lists.

[@KOkami03]

@@PsiPrimeProductions1 I don't fully disagree. Although, if I had to guess, giving them both light armor proficiency is probably to account for the increased number of ranged attacks they'll be dealing with. Admittedly, I think, if the classes largely remain as released, I feel like Paizo should put out a 'conversion guide' of suggestions for using the different stuff between games. Especially since the playtest material mentions the idea of a 'ranged meta' Like, as an example: Spellcasting classes GET light armor proficiency when used in Starfinder, and Starfinder spellcasting classes LOSE light armor proficiency when used in Pathfinder?

[@Deathwhisper2]

Hair trigger is insane. Thaumaturge gets implement interruption, where you can do Reactive strikes and interrupt actions. But you can do it only within 10ft. Target needs to be marked with exploit. The weapon also needs to be one-handed. And Thaumaturge is most of the time will be slightly behind in accuracy since they are CHA class.

[@Melidus53]

Primary target actually has the same MAP as the area/auto fire did. If that was no MAP because the area/auto attack was the first thing you did this round, then primary target strike also has no MAP. And since it doesn’t contribute to MAP either, it means if you do a follow up 3rd action strike, its only at -5 from the initial area attack. Though you will run into the unwieldy trait preventing this if you don’t get around it somehow.

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

Ah, you are right, it's even better then. And not all autofire weapons have the unweildy trait. The Rotolaser for example.

[@Melidus53]

Good point on the auto weapon unwieldy part! That means action hero is eating really good here.

[@ogun6464]

I haven't had a chance to dig in yet, but I'm hoping that a reflavored shadow mystic could be the stealth party priest I've been thinking about in Pathfinder. I recognize its power level, but I am more interested if it meets the fantasy than if it is more OP than cleric. I've never been a fan of repertoire casters, I wonder if a "fix" to the 4 slot issue people are noting would be addressed by basically giving it cleric spellcasting as a prepared 3 slot caster. Maybe the difference in chassis would just make things worse (I don't do a lot of homebrew), but it is more in line with my concept and cleric feats are really strong already so maybe it would work.

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

I actually played a shadow mystic in SF1 in the “Attack of the swarm” AP. Sniper with some healing and stealth. Because the final boss was in an unlit chamber (and we all had dark vision) I was able to heal from the boss every round. Me: heal ally, stealth. Boss: Aha! There is their heale-wait, where’d they go?

[@ChrissieBear]

24:45 It's a thrown weapon. What did you expect? 😂

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

There are actually some decent throwing weapon builds out there. I should make a video on one.

[@jacobbrown9894]

NGL I don't think solar shot should really be its own thing as is at all. It should just be "Let Solarion choose Strength or Dex as KAS and then add Thrown 30 ft as one of the options whether it be with the others or in the same camp as Reach where you can't choose another.

[@ThatVia]

“Class Chassis?” Nah nah, it’s a “Classis”

[@SIGINT11037]

I think they're trying to make spellcasters more beefy because of the 'ranged meta' idea. It's not as easy to stand behind the big guy and be safe when everyone has ranged attacks.

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

I’d say nock the casters down to 3 spells/rank and it’d be fine. Maybe Witchwarper could get away with four because most of their abilities involve having their field up.

[@Giagantus]

Two of ur points are the same the point (Hair trigger and Reactive Strike). The so called "Ranger flurry" is a weaker version in two ways. The bonus accuracy is lower and it only apples to the mark. The "Aim" damage (4d4 at lvl 20 without that feat) also a weker version

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

The ranger flurry issue I was talking about (which is shown on screen) is the ability to make attacks -3/-6 with iteratives (or -2/-4 with agile weapons) which compounds with their fighter/gunslinger accuracy to make the class EXTREMELY strong.

[@miguelricardovargas]

Good thing this is only a playtest

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

Yeah, those are all my thought that I hope Paizo will hear and will take into consideration, along with everyone else's thoughts on the playtest.

[@ChrissieBear]

14:05 Gunslinger?

[@tristanmitchell1242]

Bows and crossbows don't have the Tech or Analog traits, so don't count as guns. Dame with thrown weapons. Laser weapons and slug-throwers would be the guns.

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

I'm sorry, I should have said all STARFINDER ranged weapons. But, to your point, the Crossbolter is a starfinder crossbow with the analog trait.

[@cosmicmindpowerlifeforce840]

I LOVE witchwarper and mystic but i hope on days a mind bender telepath class and zoomer speedster class

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

Silent whisper psychics are comparable with Starfinder 2e

[@cosmicmindpowerlifeforce840]

@@PsiPrimeProductions1 when i can buy it ?

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

@@cosmicmindpowerlifeforce840 Occult adventures, it's been out a while. For a zoom speedster class, well it's not the flash, but monks and swashbucklers can get pretty fast.

[@JamesTillmanjimthegray]

i suspect solar flair is supposed to be the same as solar weapon when it comes to proficiency

[@ChrissieBear]

Solar flair is basically a thrown version of solar weapons.

[@JamesTillmanjimthegray]

@@ChrissieBear thats my take on it

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

Sure, but pointing out that it is different, RAW and shaking out all the problems is the point of the playtest, no?

[@baldrellupusneiva7911]

What's hapen with tecnomancer?

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

Covered this in my 2024 Gencon Recap video. It's looking like Technomancer and Mechanic will be in the first major expansion book for Starfinder 2

[@einkar4219]

I am constantly thinking why after the remaster wizard sorcerer and witch are still 6 hp per lv, terrible save, perception and no armor sure cleric have 3 spells per lv but they have twice as many if not more highest rank spells, just some are limited to heal or harm, I many times while playing divine sorcerer though that cleric would be strictly superior option and then there was animist playtest who was clearly over powered, but now sf2e playtest gives you absolutely no reason to play sorcerer, ever

[@Microondah]

Wish they swapped the solarian and the soldier around. Made the solarian a CON class with space kineticist mechanics, and made the soldier a STR class with some way to give the brutal trait to a few attacks.

[@Ditidos]

I don't see how Con is thematic to the solarian at all, and has little to do with the kineticist thematically, it is a magical martial, not an alternative way of casting without spells. I also think it is way more thematic on the soldier, being so though you eat the repulsion from your big ass weapon is cooler than just being strong enough to hold it in place, in my opinion. I do think they should incentivize Strength on soldiers a little bit more even if they should keep Con as their key ability score. But mostly because I don't see any character in this system not having Dexterity as their primary or secondary stat.

[@valvadis2360]

​@@Ditidosagree. Any changes to Solarian should focus on them being a Martial, not making them a second Kineticist.

[@Polymath76]

Operative is a weak attempt at the SWTOR Imperial Agent

[@PersephoneApplewhite-uk8ts]

What if they did Gravity and Photon "elements" for Kineticist? Class Archetype?

[@ChrissieBear]

There is no photokinesis in Pathfinder lore. Only vitality kinesis for Wood kineticists. As for gravity, 1e had chaokineticists which channeled the void plane and had gravity and void blasts.

[@PersephoneApplewhite-uk8ts]

@@ChrissieBear Well, there wasn't Wood and Metal elemental planes until recently, lore can change

[@valvadis2360]

Noticed only now i was not subcribed

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

I do that all the time!

[@joserenatomigliorini4627]

I ADORED the playtest, the only thing I really disliked was the witchwarper. They are terrible, miss on flavor, miss on mechanics, I can not think of a single good thing in the entire class, all of it is awful. The absorbtion of precog is horrible and the flavor of your time power being translated as 5ft movement speed in a bubble? Who thought this was a good idea? Their anchor powers are useless too. Just the only time I've seen paizo do a 0/10

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

To each their own. I like it. And remember, there are plenty of Precog focus spells and abilities that I didn't go over in the video that give it some more 'timey-wimey' flavor. But you're allowed not to like it. Just recognize that some people might. Keep on keeping on.

[@joserenatomigliorini4627]

@@PsiPrimeProductions1 In part yes, I dislike how they missed the flavor but the fact that almost all of their main class features are close to useless, making them have their spells and little else is pretty objective. I agree that operative is a problem but witchwarper is a much bigger concern.

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

@@joserenatomigliorini4627 I dunno. Flat 20% chance to turn off any enemy spell is pretty good. And some of the focus spells are pretty good too. Plus the ability to get rid of Stupefied on a caster is REALLY solid. But I haven't playtested it so I don't know, that's just me looking it over.

[@joserenatomigliorini4627]

@@PsiPrimeProductions1 Except it is in a 15ft that can not be moved, the msot effect it will have is 1 action move then cast, which enemy spellcasters didn't need that third action that much anyway

[@PsiPrimeProductions1]

@@joserenatomigliorini4627 I mean, unless they are backed into a corner, or near a graviton solarian, or they want to cast a 3 action spell. I'm not saying Witchwarpers auto-win every fight mind you; I just don't think their abilities are 'useless.' Also, it's a 15 ft burst, which is 30 feet tip to tip, which could matter in some situations. Especially if you are fighting in cramped starship hallways or tight urban settings.