Stargate Atlantis - Season 3 - Common Ground - Todd The True

It's nice to know that Todd was treated with all the dignity and respect afforded to Mic-
*laughs*.
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[@DomWeasel]

Same season they make a permanent and deadly enemy in the form of Michael by not respecting his right to exist as a Wraith, they make a powerful ally in the form of Todd by respecting his existence as a Wraith.

[@raven4k998]

finish it✊

[@bojnebojnebojne]

Yes that's how the woke left operate :), they in constant conflict with their own opinions and themselves and everyone else. A true chaos deserving of the first feminist Lilith^^

[@dmclegg66]

I don't know if ally is the right word he did as much to hurt them as help them. Think of Russia in ww2 they were our "allies" but we all know how that went.

[@myria2834]

Merely allies of convienence. Their goals simply aligned with some regularity.

[@AdeptKing]

I don't know if I would call them real allies.

[@rg1963ch]

"Oh it was worth it...if only to see the sky again." This episode was worth it, just to hear him say so.

[@fudalefu1]

Remember when the only people who knew about Jason Momoa were us stargate fans? Haha. It’s always funny to me that he got so popular. I loved Ronin.

[@heathb4319]

Haha...a lot of my friends that like him have no idea he was on this show. I usually make jokes about the his role on Atlantis in another galaxy fighting vampiric aliens, becoming Conan, destroyer of tyrants, then becoming khal Drogo, lover of blondes, and then becoming a super hero that surfs on para-demons and finally ruler of Atlantis. I get weird looks. But i have created quite a few SG Atlantis fans.

[@spasjt]

Yep. Good ol' days.

[@wchan39]

Honestly, every time I see Aquaman nowadays, I still think, "...Ronon!?"

[@ChrispyNut]

I guess you'd better not look at his IMDB page then, or you'll lose that elevated sense of importance 😜

[@fudalefu1]

@@ChrispyNut what a dumb thing to say.

[@fudalefu1]

This was such a cool moment in the show. They humanized the wraith, making them a people, not just a mindless enemy, and they created a sympathetic villain with depth.

[@intheredcold9216]

I actually looked at them as apex predators more than villains. They saw humans as cattle bcz they needed to eat. Had that not been the case interaction might have been possible.

[@Ragitsu]

@@intheredcold9216 They were villains.

[@maximvandepoll3008]

@@Ragitsu Honestly, I always saw the Wraith as a more tragic species. They only way they can interact with other civilizations is by feeding on them, and in order to survive they've got to kill other people for sustenance. If that retrovirus that gave Todd the ability to eat like a human again worked properly it could herald a new era for the Wraith, one where they have the option to work with others.

[@Ragitsu]

@@maximvandepoll3008I understand the need for sustenance; however, the Wraith actively take pleasure in watching their victims suffer/fear for their lives.

[@maximvandepoll3008]

@@Ragitsu True, but I suppose it's better to enjoy what you need to do in order to survive instead of actively loathing it. I mean, just look at that teenage Wraith Queen who was raised by a human. She hated what she became, and used that experimental retrovirus to try and make herself human, only to end up turning into a feral monster.

[@formyownedification3879]

Perfect ending to the episode

[@seantwigg]

"...I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship"

[@Googledybunkers]

The one big thing i like about Stargate, is how deep they make the enemies.....there are so many layers to all of the enemies...even to the degree that sometimes you find yourself thinking maybe they could be friends

[@meyatetana2973]

Can you really be friends with your food though? Pet maybe but can't go against natural order. Wraith are not evil they simply doing what we all do.

[@TheTattorack]

Not sure what you mean; Apophis and Anubis were literally mustache twirling villains, and they were two of the biggest enemies in the Stargate universe.

[@icer1249]

@@TheTattorack there enemy was the goauld. apophis and anubis were goauld but so where Lord Yu and Ba'al, both of which were part time allies

[@Ragitsu]

@@icer1249 Yu seemed fairly reasonable, but Ba'al was always playing the long game.

[@icer1249]

@@Ragitsu same could be said for Todd. he was happy to work with them, but he always had his own agenda

[@boqndimitrov8693]

one of the most interesting characters. i like his sense of humor :- let's shake hands?😅

[@stevenmayer8528]

Great Wrath Humor 😂😂

[@RoadRunnerMeep]

Pretty cool that Todd considered him a brother

[@asvarien]

"Next time we meet..." "All bets are off" "Actually, I was gonna say we'll do lunch! Ciao!"

[@curruptedJimbo]

Just wanna say how incredible this dudes plot armour was. any other time, Ronin would have insta killed the dude on sight. non of that tossing him away shite. dudes shooting him in the back.

[@andybrown4284]

We meet Ronan while they're hunting Ford who was being fed on by a wraith who died, good chance that story had been shared and he'd not want to risk something similar happening to John. His gun was set to stun not kill, John didn't adjust the setting before he shot Todd.

[@danieldickson8591]

@@andybrown4284 Sheppard had just ordered everyone not to kill "Todd." Ronon wouldn't defy that without asking. And it's not good policy to kill someone you might need information from, if you have the option to stun them instead.

[@alexandercross9081]

Don't need a lot of plot armor to make a difference, just enough to survive the first meet up with the heroes

[@John73John]

When Ronon has his gun set to kill, it tends to make pretty big holes. Maybe he was worried that if he shot Todd in the back, it would go through and also kill Sheppard?

[@Protoss450]

Ronon would also know that shooting a Wraith while feeding doesn't do anything except kill the person being fed on faster, since the Wraith will just drain more life force to heal.

[@fudalefu1]

The perfect villain, sympathetic with depth. God I miss this show.

[@Flyingmachines350]

One bad apple can spoil the lot, one good deed can also change the world!

[@johnmca5643]

Todd was epic! Loved that character!

[@cct7558]

Best sci-fi show ever

[@elmerfudd6740]

Man I really loved the show don't get me wrong sg1and stargate universe was great but something about stargate Atlantis was just better

[@Chladas77]

To me it was enemies, in SG you got egyptian wanna be gods starting with better tech than earth using hordes of human followers with staff weapons (and that got nerfed into oblivion) followed by middle ages wanna be gods starting with better tech than earth using hordes of human followers with staff weapons. While wraiths were basically space vampires who were threat to atlantis all the time even after getting asgard stuff.

[@doriandundee9906]

Wait, what? Rodney says that Shepard looks younger than he did before... does this mean that wraiths can give life that they didn't take from a person? Wouldn't that mean they've discovered the fountain of youth for humans?

[@stanislavkostarnov2157]

I am guessing he cannot fully unmix the life he got from Shepard from other lives he has been feeding on, so effectively Shepard became younger by the Wraith feeding on someone else... just guessing

[@00060850]

Todd one of my favorite reoccurring roles

[@stevenmayer8528]

Still one my favorite episodes

[@daviddewey2107]

Ronin had to disconnect Todd before he or the consequences for Shepherd could have been severe

[@Shinzon23]

Just remember; he was around when the Ancients/Alterans were still a power, thus he has been alive at least 10,000 years, perhaps longer.

[@frankbonfilio7443]

Such a great show

[@icer1249]

i wonder who the wraith tailors are. they all seem to wear the same clothes (with a couple exceptions)

[@danieldickson8591]

In-universe reason, they're probably a uniform. Meta-reason, designing original costumes costs money. 😉

[@robinfro]

Bruh. You ever seen a picture of a bunch of bankers & politicians in the same room? Wall-to-wall black & dark navy 3-piece suits with white or cream shirts.

[@S59964]

Everything they have has been grown inside a Hive Ship. I imagine they just dump a bunch of spent humans and let the ship do all the "tailoring".

[@jeffpadilla9891]

Todd was such a cool character

[@NextToToddliness]

Todd, you say....

[@LordHakai]

1:03 His contact lense rotated a bit and now he looks kind of stupid xD 1:52 now the other side if rotated...

[@jmystmbrg]

He played the “Swede” in Hell on Wheels also

[@TheBigExclusive]

Ronan pulled the Wraith off before the process was done. I hope Shepard got all his years back. It would suck if Ronan interrupted the process and was still missing a few years off his life.

[@asjaosaline5987]

If Todd Hinted, they give gift of life to worshippers and Brothers. So its possible they just dont give back what they took, but they can actually turn back aging. ANd keep they worshippers alive for centurys if needed. So it is possible he gave Shepard back same or even more than he took.

[@danieldickson8591]

@@asjaosaline5987 Rodney did say he looked younger than before.

[@aniltopal9292]

Next time we meet ? All bets are off:)

[@CarlosStevena-ho2zg]

This might sound strange but humans do have these vampire like abilities + & -

[@RabbitholeIsrael]

finish him, ha ha ha Mortal combat

[@michaelle8558]

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[@xadam2dudex]

That was a great episode ..

[@bussi7859]

Dreck Werbung

[@pyroslev]

Todd was a good character. A bit of villainy but honor. Cared for his people but smart enough to see that human allies were worth the effort. I read some fan fiction of Atlantis and as soon as they killed Todd, I stopped reading. In the perfect Wrath are gone finale, been nice to see a humanized Todd cause Christopher Heyerdahl is a wonderful person. One of the best additions to the Stargate Universe.

[@3adgamd3r]

The problem with making Todd human is the actor who played him played one of the prominent Athosians in seasons 1 and 2, nice dude though

[@makasete30]

He’s a great grey villain in that he has foresight to see the benefit of working with humans, and his experience with Shepard shows that he can trust and respect them, but he will always protect his own and make decisions for his own needs, if it comes to it. Would have been great to see how he developed with an extra season.

[@christopherg2347]

2:50 I guess Shep can cross "Do the Batman vanish." off his Bucket list?

[@herrzimm]

Todd was an AMAZING addition to the show overall. A villain with his own agenda, but someone who could be honorable... in his own way, by at least TRYING to honor an agreement. Even if that agreement had a hidden agenda that benefited him more than anyone else, he wasn't the type to outright BREAK a deal once made. Sure, he might have left some things unspoken, and kept his own agenda to himself, but he never fully "betrayed" anyone unless he felt betrayed first, such as the Atoro project, which was admirable..... making him a great "villain" to work off of, but good "ally" as well.

[@primarybufferpanel4468]

He was definitely the most practical of his kind. You could tell he was smart enough to know his species was in an unsustainable state and needed to change. All of his kin were set in their ways but you could tell he was unafraid to challenge the status quo for his people. He saw how crafty and capable humans were and clearly admired them as we see with Shepperd. He took traits, technology, and tactics that the sgc were using and applied them in an attempt to save his species. Dude was definitely in the top 3 for most well written characters in SGA

[@overthinkingstargate]

Todd's voice changes from when he is in the prison cell to the end of this clip.

[@UpcycleShoesKai]

Shepardddd....

[@LyingTube]

Fun trivia from the wider Gate canon: Todd's Wraith name is actually "Guide", and in their thinking means "one who goes alone, ahead. One who is sure-footed and certain, capable of finding a way for others who follow behind."

[@stephenpenn3288]

i love stargate but cant help looking at his contact lenses are not straight lol

[@JSolar590]

Stupid ending, but they had to do it.

[@TheCuriosity8]

I loved Todd, Him and that little girl showed that the wraith were terrifying on a new scale, that they were monsters by their biology, which had not been done in Stargate before (at least as far as I can recall). Every other Bad guy could have been beaten down and walked away, agreeing to peace, or finding ones like the Tok'ra who had differing moral values. The wraith were genocide or bust, even Todd needed to steal human lifespan just to live. Sure they came up with a cure eventually, but until then, it was always a war of extermination.

[@John73John]

The Replicators (at least, the Milky Way version) were pretty much monsters by their... um... robotics, not biology, but it's the same concept. The bugs were only driven by the basic need to collect materials to make more of themselves, so they couldn't be reasoned with. The human forms had capacities for higher thought but ultimately it didn't make a difference. Fifth, and later Replicarter, had no morals and if you think you're having a successful negotiation with them it's only because they're manipulating you for some larger goal and will betray you as soon as it's convenient.

[@matthewhungerford1861]

the Wraith have the option of just creating a human cloning plant for food its hinted by Todd in a later episode when the cure came they were afraid as their whole culture/way of life/ technology was based on hunting viewing human as food. the change was simply too big as would of destroyed everything they ever knew.

[@John73John]

@@matthewhungerford1861 If I remember correctly the wraith cloning facilities took a ton of power, so much in fact that they couldn't really run it without a ZPM. So it's much more practical to just let the humans grow and multiply on their own.