Stargate Atlantis - Season 3 - First Strike - The Judgement Of Asuras

The Asurans waste no time repaying the favor.
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[@Ragitsu]

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[@Fotoschiki]

The animations might have aged a bit, but the story, the characters and the music still hit hard. I love the Stargate franchise!

[@pbluma]

Just like ME trilogy lol.

[@dang8044]

the technical stuff isn't important.. hell I still enjoy Babylon 5 and even the old computer animation because the story is so great.

[@Brukner841]

Battlestar Galactica had such an amazing visual fx team, and budget, it looks amazing to this day, I think they ran at the same time mostly. Stargate always did ship explosions pretty bad, especially Atlantis with all their shots. In comparison, DS9 looks so smooth and even higher detail in the late seasons, a whole decade earlier. Stargate still comes out on top for me.

[@kinngrimm]

So why not destroy the earth ship first? It would limit enemy movement, take out a possible threat, that likely would fault more easily. tv logic ^^

[@caav56]

@@kinngrimm Probably limitations of targeting system

[@aranayailyaris73]

I swear the 38-minute rule was more often mentioned while being broken than while actually applying.

[@Ragitsu]

_Stargate_ 's Prime Directive.

[@Veskhai]

Gotta keep the drama rolling. That aside If I remember right, the only time it did actually apply it was rendered moot by SGC's inability to quickly dial the gate before it was redialed by the attacker

[@xXShadDragXx]

I mean to be fair, why would it ever come up outside of abnormal circumstances?

[@livinlicious]

Not exactly true. Sometimes they used the 38min to dial out, but one instance they couldnt dial fast enough. So got redialed. A DHD is just faster than their computer. Also considering their computer does just "manual dialing", thats why in SGC the wheel is spinning every time. In any Stargate with a DHD the spinning is bypassed, there is not real reason to spin. The spinning is just the backup mechanism, which is a clever design by the Ancients.

[@chadbizeau5997]

​@@livinlicious"I'm the General and I want it to spin!"

[@josephhicks6445]

The Asurans Stargate Satellite is an ingenious weapon.

[@xolotlnephthys]

Very much like Anubis' weapon

[@debbiebernhardt5406]

Yes, most likely a new method the ancient force would love to have on hand

[@LyingTube]

Like they read the Stargate RPG manual and minmaxed 😄

[@deadpanfish]

It's a fantasy you nerds.

[@Ragitsu]

@@deadpanfish No, this is a documentary series.

[@RoadRunnerMeep]

I love Rodney's positive optimism in the moment at 4:10

[@allanallansson9532]

yea, you would hate it if his optimism was negative

[@BogeyTheBear]

Optimistic negativity: It's either an enemy we know with limitless power, or a brand-new enemy we know nothing about. At least it can't be _both._

[@marten3451]

​@@BogeyTheBearI swear that's on point

[@marks47]

Yeah that line was perfection.

[@tymek200101]

I am always in awe at how the writes utilise previously established rules of the stargate world to come up with new ways of doing cool shit with them. There is nothing new here we haven't seen before, but it is combined in a unique way. Sustaining a wormhole by beaming energy through it - Anubis' weapon to blow up earth gate Dial blocking - Goauld ship with a gate too close to earth did that same thing Space Gates - common in Pegasus, used by SG-1 to blow up a star This sort of writing is prevalent through all of stargate

[@livinlicious]

Stargate was just at that sweet spot in time, where SciFi was still very smartly written. It became less and less so. I mostly blame the "speed-up" of storytelling. Most Scifi now needs to be hyperdramatic, and the story has to move so fast, otherwise viewer gets bored. Thats why world-building scenes get cut, and the whole story lacks then. You "NEED" exposition and "talking" scenes. They slow down, so todays people get quickly bored. Its a vicious cycle. Audience has low attention span, Media gets faster, Audience gets lower attention span, repeat until everything just sucks.

[@Ragitsu]

@@livinliciousIt does suck. When you place SG-1 and SG-A against modern science-fiction, the difference in the pace of plot progression becomes stark.

[@JimmyBlether]

@@Ragitsu Adding to that the comically high budgets of so much of modern media combined with VFX costs (despite in a lot of cases the costs not equaling quality due to rushing) axing the number of episodes produced. A season only a decade ago or so could survive a couple bad episodes but nowadays with 10 to 6 episode seasons that's considerably harder to swallow and dents the quality of the show a lot more.

[@Coyote27981]

​@@livinlicious The expanse is quite well writen. It can still be done...

[@Ragitsu]

@@Coyote27981 TMR.

[@Prisoner_849]

This is a great episode. I like when Michael Shanks visits Atlantis both times once with Vala and when the Pegasus Asgard invade Atlantis.

[@LyingTube]

The music for the satellite weapon gives me chills, really strong Alien vibes

[@willsimmonds3469]

I also noticed that, I’m sure its a little bit of a reference.

[@ChristophBurschka]

1:45 "no Mr Bond, I expect you to die"

[@LangstoniusRex]

So much promise... i miss you stargate. All of you.

[@alatar4188]

the satellite coming from another ennemy could make sense too. Imagine you're a high tech civilisation that is either hidden, protected from the wraith, or otherwise not worth the trouble, and you just saw a civilisation ready to take out potential threats in a devastating nuclear first strike, what would you do ?

[@lcstark]

Would be interesting. Not only an advanced civilization capable of both hiding from everyone and defending itself from any threat, but also able to covertly spy on all other advanced civilizations in the galaxy to know such an attack has happened and where it was launched from.

[@Stinger522]

I would either still keep to myself or try to talking to them.

[@Viktor16161616]

It's been too long since I watched the show. At what stage did SGC perform a first strike?

[@danieljackson1272]

​@@Viktor16161616It was earlier in this episode. The Apollo went to the replicator homeworld to conduct a preemptive first strike and took out an armada of ships the replicators were building.

[@eschatollog9968]

This couldve been a good intro to some unascended Ancients who fled to another galaxy, became less Ancienty and turned more militaristic after the wraith war and have now returned - that wouldve been beautiful

[@GugilusVugilusMagnus]

That’s cool they have aquaman from Atlantis to help them out.

[@dantruong2582]

No, they had Ronan, help out Superman and Batman as Aquaman.

[@CoolsBreeze]

I do kind of like the Ellis' work ethic. He probably was briefed about the stargate program a few months before he took command of the Apollo and he still managed to catch up on all the Stargate history and knowledge.

[@pobvic]

How long was his crossing from the milky-way, plenty of reading time

[@pbluma]

@@pobvic a few weeks

[@tomascernak6112]

Yeah sure, lets make captain of "Planet killing ship" some newbie, who was briefed half a year ago... Dude, Ellis was in SG program probably from beginning in 1994. It is same logic, to think that captain of aircraft carrier does not need to have years of experience from Navy.

[@surtvalheim]

There is only 8 chevrons on this stargate, which means replicators don't know about the Destiny.

[@csehszlovakze]

and THIS is why Atlantis was awesome!

[@jasonharrison25]

Seems like this would have been a great weapon against the wrath. They could just have them fly around autonomously and blast cruisers right out of the sky without having to risk any of their own life. It also keeps the power source hidden from the wrath so as to make it really difficult to fall into the enemies hands. Infact there really isn't anything about this satellite that would be of much use to the wrath. They would have to build a bunch more Stargates, but that didn't seem to be much of an issue for the ancients. Powering them from Atlantis or another outpost would be quite easy as the ancients seemed to be able to make ZPMs whenever they needed them

[@LordWolf696]

Good in theory but it comes to the same issue they always had, power. The Asuran's had ZPM's stockpiled like they were double AA batteries meanwhile the Earth crew could barely keep one or two at a time.

[@ThinnerMetal]

​@@LordWolf696 in fact, he's talking about ancients and when they were fighting a war against wraiths

[@Riku-zv5dk]

Problem is the wraith numbers back then were insane and they far outnumbered the Ancient's ability to produce drones and zpms. Plus, the wraith don't rely on stargates, and with their numerous hive ships such satellites would be limited in what they can hit. Plus, you can only fire one at a time, so for every planet you lockdown plenty others are left defenceless. The only reason such a simple solution works against the expedition is because they rely on Atlantis as a base and have limited capability to use, as they cannot reproduce drones or zpms. The fact is the ancients couldn't maintain their war effort, hence why they had so many experimental weapons, they were trying to find an alternative solution because they couldn't replace their losses. Asurans are a whole different animal to the ancients, they not only have the knowledge of the ancients, but as machines they don't have the same physical weaknesses and can replace any losses much easier than the ancients could. Even when Asurans lose a ship they don't lose its crew and can just build another ship, something neither the ancients or wraith can do. Wraith relied on their numbers to negate the power disparity between themselves and the ancients, able to replace ships quicker than the ancients could destroy them, but it didn't work against the Asurans. Hence why they resorted to hacking them and avoiding them for thousands of years. But back to this strategy, it wouldn't work on the wraith, they don't have many stationary bases, they're usually mobile, and any losses they do suffer can easily be replaced. This satellite is tailor made to target the expedition, they only have the one primary base, they rely on this base, it can't easily move, firing the laser locks them into place, and they lack powerful weapons to drain enough power. The Asurans probably couldn't keep this attack up forever, but they don't have to, they just need to keep it up long enough to drain the limited resources of the expedition and then destroy the city.

[@LyingTube]

Only flaw I see is that it exploited Atlantis' difficulties with power, wraith can just leave through hyperspace

[@wellendowedplatypus9024]

@@Riku-zv5dk Speaking purely about the Ancients, such a weapon (as with many others) would have utterly crushed the Wraith. The Ancients had a manpower problem, first and foremost. A centralized outpost to provide all the firepower works greatly within those constraints. The Stargates are DRONES, completely expendable. You can only FIRE one at a time but you can move all of them all the time. A few seconds after one stops firing, another can start. The Ancients seeded the entire galaxy, millions of habitable planets, with the new-age Stargates, obviously their production capabilities were still vast despite their small numbers. They could have kept every drone-gate in hyperspace or really close by any potential planet of interest, waited for the Wraith to leave ships vulnerable then annihilated them, at most risking a Stargate and some engines. At some point the Attero device would become beneficial for the Wraith to use themselves to preserve some remains of their race. Of course, that would have made for some shit TV.

[@23236638]

God the soundtrack on this show was just incredible

[@frankbonfilio7443]

Loved this show

[@biggles8500]

What a great show...

[@MostlyPennyCat]

1:08 This music is _very_ Aliens.

[@Ragitsu]

Amazing Aliens and amazing Horner.

[@Makeitso2023]

The shot of the Apollo approaching the satellite weapon was pretty cool,don’t think we ever saw a similar shot of any of the odyssey class ships

[@Internetguy_L337_90D]

there were so much world building potential in the star gate franchise when i watched i would always hope there was an instance where the humans technology would surprise the humanoid aliens

[@csehszlovakze]

the P-90 did. seriously, watch that clip

[@IamKingSejong]

Aquaman is helping depending Atlantis

[@unowno123]

I mean this is the first thing I came up with when considering portal technology, from teleporting bombs and obviously transporting firepower directly by portal either way, its cool that they implemented it.

[@drakedge2000]

Can we just take a moment to appreciate Jason Mamoa before he was a beef cake?

[@tomascernak6112]

Are you really body-shaming Momoa?

[@nomercyinc6783]

@@tomascernak6112 you are dumb as fuck for that comment not clever. getting upset on the behalf of others is moronic. not admirable

[@kalyoni]

İ I miss the stargate universe

[@skak3000]

If the Ancient have invented that weapon. The Wraith will be in trouble... The perfect defence!

[@Riku-zv5dk]

Not really, this weapon is only effective because Atlantis is planet bound and can't easily move. The wraith have countless hive ships scattered through the galaxy, they're not bound to a planet (which this weapon needs to work), it takes up a lot of energy to both fire and protect the weapon, and it would be limited defensively because you cannot dial a gate in close proximity to the same planet. Not to mention the ancients already had similar weapons (like the S1 satellite that could one shot a hive which was stated to be one of many the ancients once had). The problem the ancients had was never firepower, it was numbers. The ancients could hit the wraith as hard as they wanted, but the wraith would shrug off the losses while any the ancients suffered were difficult to replace. The ancients attempted many solutions to this issue, but could never breach the number issue, the one device that could have won risked heavy collateral damage (the atero device, which stopped the wraith from using their hyperdrive but caused active gates to blow) which didn't actually guarantee victory (Wraith could just go into hiding and hibernation and wait for it to shut down while the ancients relied on the gate and would need to shut it down).

[@Kaida760]

To be honest it was explained why the Ancients lost. Overwhelming numbers.

[@peoplez129]

The ancients big weakness was that they weren't quite nomadic and it wasn't really about the ancients themselves, but rather, the galaxies they were seeding. The ancients could protect themselves or retreat, but that wouldn't save the rest of the civilizations of the galaxy, and with the wrath unchecked, they could ultimately grow to the point where they surpassed the ancients, and spread to multiple galaxies. The only reason why the wrath were even limited after the ancients is because they exhausted their food supply, even though they probably could have just cloned all the humans they needed, they never did, either out of culture, or even out of a possible issue that would arise from cloning degradation over time that could ruin their food supply. Essentially, they needed wild caught humans because that ensured the healthiest crops with the greatest genetic diversity.

[@brianholloway2358]

Like the fact they had ZPM's just made me nervous. This explains why. that much energy means a never ending attack.

[@colin1235421]

Need new stargate shows!!!

[@jasonharrison25]

Now if only they had a large mirror 😛

[@Crashdownfully]

which episode is this? I apparently haven't watched it yet :)

[@Cyrilpiaf]

D'ailleurs ce serait sympa une vidéo sur les autre simu, ams2, raceroom, Rfactor 2 etc....avec pourquoi pas la comparaison d'une même catégorie ou d'une même voiture.

[@BogeyTheBear]

0:42 What is with that walk? Did wardrobe give him a brand new pair of boots and this was his first day on set?

[@timoamsbeck9959]

You hope so.. yes if course or would you like it more we have second enemy with this kind of tech😂

[@klorelMaxim]

Отличный был сериал!жаль закрыли можно сказать пред развязкой!надеюсь кто то доснимет последние сезоны и мы узнаем куда летела СУДЬБА! Главное что бы нетфликс не взялись за реализацию.Кто угодно,но только не они!

[@douglasthomashayden2566]

2:30 -ish start by dragging it out of orbit with the Apollo and dragging it INTO the local sun.

[@DomWeasel]

How do they drag it? It's shielded. And it has the ability to manoeuvre so even if they attempted to punt it out of orbit, it would simply move back.

[@Xershade]

@@DomWeasel Apollo: *Activates Hyperdrive, drags it to the sun, drops out.* Satellite: *Activates Hyperdrive, goes back to Atlantis.* That's also assuming the gate doesn't just explode the Apollo when it gets close enough to try and drag it in its hyperspace field. It can turn and hit the Apollo as they approach and we clearly saw the Apollo can't tank this things hits.

[@danieljackson1272]

1:59 at first I thought the Apollo was launching drones and I was like - what?

[@mandelorean6243]

It's small, use a ship to knock off course or keep pushing away

[@Xlorate]

YAY! Zed PMs

[@mitche5007]

It’s very small, he doubts that it’s wraith, maybe it was Todd in a dart😊. Did anyone else notice the aliens music in the background they used?😊

[@DomWeasel]

Glad I'm not the only one who noticed the familiar music.

[@BogeyTheBear]

Darts don't drop out of hyperspace.

[@Warhorse469]

if only they had Asgard beam weapons then that satellite would have been toast.

[@debbiebernhardt5406]

The asguard did hear of this most likely. They were noting the struggle from containing that type of firepower. They adapted it for their use but had to give it to taurine due to ori and wraith a major threat That deserves their attention.

[@adamdresch]

Does the music in the beginning of this clip remind anyone else of Alien/Aliens?

[@christinejoyjandayan8124]

perpfect stephen j

[@lolbenz]

this video got 150k views, bring stargate back please

[@Alkelly-hh6rv]

Clamp on to it and go into hyperspace

[@Tropic101x]

Wonder what if they moved the ship and extended the hyperdrive bubble over the satellite then moved it away

[@Ragitsu]

How about encasing the satellite in a hollowed out rock (leaving an opening for the laser) and then nudging the trapped satellite away from the planet?

[@lcstark]

Attach an Asgard time dilation device to the satellite. Either it will be destroyed by the increased energy coming through the gate, or the deadly laser will be slowed down to a nice geostationary spotlight.

[@Ragitsu]

You gunning for John's job?

[@Ragitsu]

@@lcstark You gunning for Rodney's job?

[@DomWeasel]

It would just hyperspace back. That's how it got there.

[@builder396]

Ive got a dumb question. What would happen if the Asurans never sent the satellite but just dialed Atlantis directly and fired the beam into their gate room. Would the gate shield even be able to take it half as well as the main shield?

[@Captain_Confused]

I would imagine it'd probably be able to handle it better. It's the same generators that form the shield over the Stargate, but instead of needing the power to cover the entirety of the city, you'd only have to form the shield over the gate, using a fraction of the power. Plus, since the shield is so close to the event horizon, you might actually negate the overall power of the beam.

[@vonfaustien3957]

It tanked an exploding gate in one episoide and that's supposedly a planet killing explosion

[@Xershade]

In all honesty if they dialed the Atlantis gate it would probably melt the gate room, the gate would fall on its back, and then the beam would just shoot into space, at least until it melted through the tower if it even could. The Atlantis gate is fixed, the point of the satellite was to aim the gate and move the beam.

[@builder396]

@@vonfaustien3957 the exploding gate was actually the city shield that got retracted to only encompass the gate. I dont think its the same system as the gate shield.

[@vonfaustien3957]

@@builder396 ah that makes sense. been a while since I saw Atlantis

[@DatingDilemmaBreakdown]

I might be missing something... Why did they not use a Puddle Jumper back then to destroy the satellite? Was there a reason, or just plot hole :D?

[@granthudson5447]

Jason Momoa lol freaking young asf

[@bleo8371]

If you dont know what to do just crash in to it.. all precise technology dont like shaking ,)

[@CleverName1]

It was a great series but the brainiac saving the day all the time got old.

[@Terrestrial..1]

And that wouldn't be good.

[@Elderrion]

Couldn't they just, you know, tow it? They towed the asteroid the Goa'uld sent to Earth. Would the shield stop any towing attempt?

[@MDP1702]

Potentially, but more problematic is that the gate satellite would just move around and target whatever is trying to tow it away.

[@ec329]

man Stargate era was a better simpler time in American history, I miss those days.......

[@Ragitsu]

"better" is far more subjective/open to opinion than "simpler".

[@JohnSmith-nn9qc]

in regards to safety? Definitely. In regards to economically better? Arguably. In regards to cultural options and richness? Absolutely.

[@Ragitsu]

@@JohnSmith-nn9qc Whenever someone talks about the past being better, I wonder if they'd hold up that opinion when dealing with medicine, computers, communications technology, civil rights, food preservation technology, transportation technology, power generation technology, et cetera, that is decades if not a century (or more) out-of-date. Also, despite the social problems we face, statistically speaking, this is one of the safest times in history.

[@JohnSmith-nn9qc]

@@Ragitsu The world was not particularly different only just a decade and a half ago. Sure, some niche things weren't better, like some versions of computing hardware, or maybe some types of treatments. However, it's clear to at least me that it's not what they're talking about at all. In the very least, they're referring to quality of life, or just general culture. I'd 100% agree with them on the notion that today's cultural landscape is trash.

[@ec329]

@@JohnSmith-nn9qc I just miss 1$ menus affordable restaurants, getting half a tank for 20$$$ XD XD XD not worrying about bills and globalist XD XD XD apologies I was going to get political but i'll digress.......

[@gtf600]

So if the shields are up, how did the commander of the Apollo get back down into Atlantis?

[@mykeprior3436]

shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[@SoranoGuardias]

Probably took a jumper down. Lantean ships can pass through the shield with no problems.

[@AndrewJamesWilliams]

Most likely they adjusted the shield frequency to let the transporter beam through. The Goa'uld do the same thing when ringing aboard a mothership in a potentially hostile environment or situation the crew on the mothership will adjust the shield frequency to let the beam through then change it back again once transport is complete.

[@Riku-zv5dk]

we see at other times puddle jumpers can pass through the shield, so probably knowing the right frequency allows friendly ships to land through it while keeping out the enemy. This is more common in stargate than you might think, as everyone uses shields, it just seems more noticeable here because the shield is more apparent in how active it is, but everyone does it. Even the laser firing is an example of something passing through the shield.

[@k2nimod]

The Lanteans invented the Rings, too and the Daedalus class ships did use those. So they might just ring up and down at will. Funny how we never see rings in Atlantis though....

[@smaragdwolf1]

i assume the thrusters on this satellite arent very powerful... it just has to point at the target afterall. So couldnt they, theoretically, give the satellite a push to change its trajectory? Also.... how can the energy-beam pass the Shield? Wouldnt that mean the shield is penetrable, if you know the exact modulation of the beam?

[@kuhljager2429]

Stargate shields are at least consistent in the concept of things always go out, not always in. Since the beam is comming from the inside of the shield, it can leave just fine.

[@smaragdwolf1]

@@kuhljager2429 im interested in the hypothetical physical rule of why that is considered "its okay, this is possible". If you have an obstacle, may it a Door, Wall or a shield, its attribute of not letting things pass through counts for both directions. You can create Doors and Walls with holes in it to interact with the other Side, but that means to create weakpoints, that can be exploited. If you have an Energy-Shield, that let things through from one Side, it means that it has a weakpoint. May it be an exception for energy-beams with the exact modulation of this one or that the Shield gets opened at the exact spot where the Beam is. I remember an old Episode of Stargate, where one goa'uld had a personal energy-shield that could stop energy and physical projectiles, but was ineffective against a throwing knife. There has to be a weakpoint in that satellite-shield, because if it doesnt has a weakpoint, the Beam couldnt pass through. I know its silly to think about such stuff... but thats how my Brain works XD

[@user-cn1jo8vf2h]

ima royal now wohoo.

[@Mpeti123]

Anyway this is the perfect weapon against the Wraith, you send one in the middle of their fleet during a battle and slice them up 🎉 no more hive ships.

[@sg39g]

Let's rather say a perfect weapon to install on a ship. The only problem is that the weapon will only work near a planet or sun.

[@rexlevitak1]

It seems like a smart weapon at first until you remember that only one gate works per system . If you open your gate as soon as you see this weapon coming the satellite would essentially be useless

[@LimboGene]

By the time they visually identified it was a Stargate / its purpose, it was already too late.

[@Veldrusara]

It would only be useless for 38 minutes, until your gate closes.

[@ShadowDevotion]

@@Veldrusara Unless you can feed it with enough Energy to bypass this Limit. It happened with the Episode of SG1 where a Black Hole bypassed it. Replicators/Replicants can easily bypass this Limit, they have nearly unlimited amounts of Energy thanks to ZPMs

[@BogeyTheBear]

@@Veldrusara If they can't destroy it within those 38 minutes (the shield is powered through the established wormhole) then they deserve to be wiped out.

[@adambarnes49]

I know it's probably too risky...but could they not head back to the planet and wipe them out from orbit? Although they'd probably just run into the same situation again

[@lordsathariel4384]

i think its down to they got the jump on them cus the asurans thought atlantis was their only ship in the pegasus now they know this isen't the case they would have every zpn powered drone arsenal on the planet waiting for atlantis to try another attack out of desperation the satellite weapon was clearly designed to destroy atlantis without wasteing unneeded rescources but also to antagonise atlantis into attacking again preferablly with all available ships so the asurans could take out their whole presence in pegasus unstead of having to guess were their ships have gone after they lose atlantis you have to remember the asuran replicators while arrogant are proberally the most advanced race besides the ancients and the asgard plus they operate off of a hive minded neural network like the forerunners in halo so they can near instantly communicate and also plan i imagine they decided baiting atlantis with a attack they could try to stop would be easiest and most efficent after all they are machines

[@Ragitsu]

Basically, Colonel Ellis remarks that the _Apollo_ was severely taxed by the satellite's initial attack.

[@adambarnes49]

Also considering how powerful Atlantis is it's weird that it's always on the verge of being destroyed in nearly every episode

[@Ragitsu]

@@adambarnes49 It is as powerful as the amount of available zero point modules; welcome to the secret of this show's consistent tension.

[@adambarnes49]

@@Ragitsu True

[@TheCaptainCrack]

So it has strong shields. Very strong shields....Guess you wont get past those shields. Have they tried to fire a drone from a jumper or the city?

[@theyux1]

Even if the drones had 1000 times the firepower of the deadaluse would not have changed anything. Rodney said it was a drop in power of .002. The drones would need to be 50000 times more powerful than the deadalus to collapse the shields.

[@TheCaptainCrack]

@@theyux1 No they don't. Drones were introduced as ancient tech capable of bypassing any shiedsystem. I was trying to convey that in my first statement, that's why I talked about how strong those shields are. The asgaard had even lantian ships that were capable of passing Atlantis shield dome. I thought they should fire a single drone through that shield to kill that thing.

[@Xershade]

@@TheCaptainCrack Ancient shields can also be configured to keep ancient tech out. It's how they stopped the Vanir from raiding the city again, Rodney disabled the functionality so Ancient tech can't just pop into Atlantis' shield anymore. Replicators would have done the same thing here, nothing needs to enter the shield, so why bother setting it to allow that functionality. Also drone's don't just penetrate one shot ships with shields. If they did the battle of Asuras would have ended REAL FAST when the Replicators started firing the drones at literally everyone attacking.

[@dasaxophonist]

So how can the use asgard transporters when their shields are up? But during the episode when Ronan and shepherd were caved in they had to lower shields?

[@Acranify]

they get reprogramed when ever the plot demands it?

[@sgtvoro]

Why didn't the replicators simply dial in then throw the gate on their end into a black hole?

[@alexmckee4683]

They're not as creative as Sam Carter

[@debbiebernhardt5406]

The replicators had no way of accessing the black hole because it was in different galaxy and hadn’t built 2 more stargates yet. They knew that the bc 304 was watching them as they knew the ship is asguard+human tech. 😊

[@alexmckee4683]

@@debbiebernhardt5406 there's other black holes, including one in Pegasus used later in the Pegasus project.

[@theyux1]

Its a lot more work, than firing the doom lazer. Like its not like it failed by much. They had no reason to expect the doom lazer would not work. Its kinda like shooting reporter Clark Kent with a gun, you had no of knowing that was not gonna go your way.

[@sgtvoro]

@@theyux1 Instead of the laser they build a second stargate carrier, one goes to Atlantis, the other to the hole. Done.

[@Ma55ey]

It was such a mistake killing Dr Wier.. the show never really got back on track after that story line..

[@carolinehirst4921]

Why didn't Ellis still try to beam a nuke through the shield and have the F302s from Apollo attack en masse at the same time the Apollo hits it with everything it had? Were any puddle jumpers available to join in the attack with drones?

[@Josh-oj9mm]

The shield basically has infinite capacity, all those would do nothing

[@theyux1]

@@Josh-oj9mm Mckay made the point explicitly that it was barely noticeable.

[@alriz7066]

SGC do not have a good track records against satellite weapon

[@Zapinc9]

Can the ship in orbit push it off its trajectory by nudging it shield to shield?

[@MDP1702]

It is a maneuverable satellite, it would just reorient itself back into position.

[@Lemonsausage]

they could just ram the satellite.....

[@rt_huxley9205]

What's Aquaman doing here?!?!?

[@Ragitsu]

Helping to defend Atlantis, of course.

[@O.Childers-df9br]

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[@dexnocturna2448]

20 years too late but this just occured to me, why didnt they just drop it out of orbit down to the planet, problem solved.

[@pbluma]

dropped who and why....

[@dexnocturna2448]

@@pbluma the replicator satelite, knocking it down wouldve worked i guess

[@caav56]

@@dexnocturna2448 Beam can power propulsion system too. Satellite will just get itself back into position

[@historickeeper]

All these rubbish remakes and you have a great universe like this sitting around gathering dust come on give us some 2023 action.

[@mbeeson123456]

Quick dial the gate and then they won't win

[@christopherg2347]

They literally explained why that did not work. And given that dailing the Stargate almost destroyed the city twice, they won't dial carelessly.

[@epiendless1128]

@@christopherg2347 I think he meant, 'quick, dial the gate before the satellite activates' oops too late.

[@christopherg2347]

@@epiendless1128 As I said: Given the gate almost blew Atlantis up twice, they are not going to dial it without purpose.

[@Ragitsu]

@@christopherg2347 There's also the possibility that it could have been a deliberate ploy to get the humans to activate their Stargate.

[@icer1249]

@@christopherg2347 if they activated there gate to some random planet before the asurans could dial in then the weapon would be useless. just like with the Prometheus hesitation was there undoing.

[@zephyr8072]

The Asurans did nothing wrong.

[@yzdatabase4175]

Replicators, having an endless supply of ZPMs, decide to build a puny little satellite.

[@100dampf]

Why build something that can be destroyed when you can build something very powerful in the heart of your territory and build something cheap to deliver it to the enemy

[@icer1249]

whats more efficient? building a massive fleet or 1 tiny ship that costs almost nothing in resources and is just as deadly

[@Dumb-Comment]

This puny satellite was more than enough to do the job, it was the plot armor that saved the main characters

[@yzdatabase4175]

they managed to build this little thing and pump energy into it through the gate, but not enough to penetrate a shield sustained by 1 tired zpm? come on. they are replicators. they have the knowledge and tech of the ancients + a few thousand years more.

[@icer1249]

@@yzdatabase4175 cause its still the city shield which is to our knowledge the most powerful shield ever constructed and it would still go down in under a day. And its not like there in a rush, the replicators have literally unlimited amount of time to kill them.