Starliner vs Dragon Update!

[@hydrorix1]

At this point, I don't even want to ride in a Boeing airplane, much less a space craft

[@terranspaceacademy]

Sadly, I agree... Bring back some competition to the US aircraft market...

[@scottdorfler2551]

A Skunk Works Airliner would be my choice.

[@Ro-ni7nm]

sshhh

[@Ro-ni7nm]

The PocketLiner is what it should be called!

[@terranspaceacademy]

I love it!

[@larrybuzbee7344]

😂😂

[@scottdorfler2551]

That's what I'm calling it for now on. 😂

[@scottdorfler2551]

At this point, Boeing should should just lease seats on Dragon. They could still turn a nice profit.

[@terranspaceacademy]

Hey! There's a plan :-)

[@MrDanthemaniam]

I really like your idea of a retro burn to form a plasma shield on reentry and forgo the tiles. That makes too much sense to not try.

[@knowledgeisgood9645]

I would imagine that such a method would reduce the payload possible to such an extent to make the ship pointless.

[@MrDanthemaniam]

@@knowledgeisgood9645 You should pay closer attention to the video. And it was stated that the mass of the fuel would be offset by the mass of the heat towels that were eliminators.

[@knowledgeisgood9645]

@@MrDanthemaniam I did. It does not.

[@MrDanthemaniam]

@@knowledgeisgood9645 watch again

[@terranspaceacademy]

I hope to see someone at least try it :-)

[@mattnewell649]

The track record of the Starliner has proven that old technology is no longer financially viable. Just the cost of manufacturing through Boeing, who have inflated the budgets and over extended schedules in gross fashion, is costing tax payers a fortune! And every time there`s a non start, which happens often, also costs a lot! This madness should stop!

[@terranspaceacademy]

I agree. Go Dream chaser and give someone else a chance.

[@javaman4584]

After more than 60 years of space flight there shouldn't be "challenges" with something as simple as a valve. It sound like NASA intends to fly with the leaking valve, and it doesn't sound like there is any intention of fixing it, so the spacecraft will always be defective. I'm disappointed in both Boeing and NASA.

[@terranspaceacademy]

Me too. Surely we can do better than the 1960s... Or maybe not. Those people were brilliant.

[@javaman4584]

@@terranspaceacademy Recently I learned that the Wright brothers built one of the first wind tunnels (a small one) to study the shape of wings. They figured out the basic physics of flight 120 years ago with just brains, pencil and paper, and maybe a slide rule (invented in the 1600s).

[@GrigoriZhukov]

​@@javaman4584Not one of they made the first true wind tunnel.

[@Steveburni2]

As a technician I gotta ask if the tools are I.d. engraved if lost or found in valve

[@Steveburni2]

bad joke

[@terranspaceacademy]

Angry Boeing supervisor "Who owns a high school ring from 1979 with the initials TB!?

[@LuciFeric137]

How many times do we re invent the wheel. The space capsule was perfected by 1965. 60 years!

[@nicosmind3]

Yeah but it was very small and not able to achieve much, and if we're going to space again let's do it in a meaningful way

[@terranspaceacademy]

Well, definitively proven... but a little cramped back then. Still. China dramatically improved the Soyuz. Why couldn't we have done that to the Apollo design?

[@korana6308]

@@terranspaceacademy I literally have the same question and also don't get it.

[@terranspaceacademy]

Right? That system was amazing.

[@mercerconsulting9728]

I could be mistaken, but it seems like they are trying to pack way too much technology and gadgets into what is really just another capsule.

[@terranspaceacademy]

They should simplify and test in space more but that's where SpaceX has a distinct advantage. They can throw their own capsules up almost as much as they'd like while Boeing has to ration its remaining access to launch systems.

[@Paul_C]

Well, you know the latest ESA mission EarthCARE: Development took 30 years, whereas the USA plans missions along election cycles... BIG difference.

[@regolith1350]

11:25 I assume you meant to say 11 missions or crews, not 11 people.

[@terranspaceacademy]

Yes... my bad. Thanks.

[@garysarah.middnightspecial]

SpaceX starship tank on the bottom should have some bag or panel to stop the fuel sloshing around in the tank. A circle which open up and close d so you can stop the fuel sloshing.

[@terranspaceacademy]

They put something better in after IFT2 but I haven't seen the details...

[@-MeatsOfEvil-]

​@@terranspaceacademyI'm extremely curious how they are fixing fuel sloshing. I was also wondering if an inflatable bag inside the tank would help with orbital refueling helping to push fuel down towards the bottom of the tank in zero gravity.

[@RaymondGomez-bh6ij]

Starliner? More like groundliner.

[@terranspaceacademy]

Indeed! Someone said 'pocketliner' which I love too :-)

[@scottdorfler2551]

11:40 Crew Dragon has sent a lot more than 11 people to orbit. I think it's 53 as of 5/26/24. Don't know how many have been sent to the ISS. Pretty sure that it's more than 11.

[@terranspaceacademy]

11 missions...

[@scottdorfler2551]

@@terranspaceacademy Ohhhhhhh OK

[@terranspaceacademy]

but I said people so I blew it :-)

[@PacNWTinkerer]

Do you have any control over the ads that are embedded by youtube in your videos?

[@terranspaceacademy]

i don't even get to see them unless I log in as a "guest" and they are different for everyone. I have KZbin red to avoid them.

[@aone9050]

Bro is reuploading an entire meeting, was it a available elsewhere on yt?

[@terranspaceacademy]

Yes but the screen was boring

[@johntucker469]

im positive for Starliner,,lets get it flying

[@AncientShinrinYoku]

No human should fly a Starliner until it has flown at least as many cargo missions as Dragon. Especially after so many dangerous failures. Period.

[@terranspaceacademy]

We agree...

[@terranspaceacademy]

I would love to see it work properly, we need more options... But I don't think it's ready to carry crew.

[@RoBear-xo6zw]

And just how are “we” getting it going before it returns from ISS? It’s impossible to make repairs in space 😂

[@geofrancis2001]

I have never heard thank you so often when covering a failure, it's like they are trying to spread the blame around.

[@terranspaceacademy]

Blame is a harsh word! Capsules malfunctions... Seals leaked... They shall be punished to the full extent of the law! :-)

[@williamcase426]

We gotta build the starliner to get the equivalent of airliners to space

[@williamcase426]

Then we can make gundam real

[@terranspaceacademy]

Indeed!

[@richardknapp570]

Another excellent episode! Thank you! Do you think Boeing having so many sub-contractors plays into the issue? Seems they - and often NASA - create projects that are widely dispersed to every Congressional district gets some more. That way cancelling it would cause political pain. Even in Software development, you do tons of alpha and beta tests to see how things work. Seems that is what the newer companies are doing. Interesting idea on re-entry burn. Will be interesting to see how SpaceX test goes...and how that change things....which they always do.

[@terranspaceacademy]

You are most welcome and thanks for being here! :-)

[@jimmywrangles]

Boeing couldn't build a lunchbox.

[@terranspaceacademy]

They could it would just cost $6k and have no clasp :-)

[@-MeatsOfEvil-]

The lid would fall off 😅

[@dancingdog2790]

They begin taking questions at 46:20

[@terranspaceacademy]

Some good ones but a lot of missed opportunity also.

[@RogerM88]

It's too late to cancel Starliner, as not optimal to just rely on Crew Dragon. What should be done instead, is using Starliner for cargo missions, gathering flight data, and then be Crew rated.

[@terranspaceacademy]

That would be the smart move I think. Very expensive supplies though.

[@RogerM88]

@@terranspaceacademy Better move? Most of the R&D is already done. And having an alternative capsule is important, if Crew Dragon is grounded due to some potential issue.

[@terranspaceacademy]

Dream Chaser!! No seriously... Starliner for cargo is a great idea.

[@-MeatsOfEvil-]

Or divert funds towards Dream Chaser to build a crewed version and ditch Starliner.

[@therocinante3443]

How could something which put so much money in so many politicians' wallets POSSIBLY be a waste of money?!

[@terranspaceacademy]

Right!? It's shocking! :-)

[@tedarcher9120]

How is it a failure if it cost 5 billion?

[@terranspaceacademy]

Depends on your perspective... Boeing: Chaching! Taxpayers: wah wah waaahhhh....

[@tedarcher9120]

@@terranspaceacademy exactly

[@occhamite]

It look s a bit like even the Starliner people have given up on it - at least as a program with a long-term future, and they are just stringing it along for a long as they can, milking it for all it's worth.

[@terranspaceacademy]

I agree... Boeing often does this but it looks like they started to really try, what with all the publicity about the 737MAX, and then found out that they had forgotten how to do a good job!

[@occhamite]

@@terranspaceacademy Yes, and the explanation I always see is that the importation of McDonnel-Douglas management has killed the innovative, risk-taking mentality that made Boeing great. The 727, 737, 747, .... were big risks, taken by visionary people. Now it's all about "return on shareholder equity", thus we have the 737 still "flying", somtimes at least, and we have a "Triple 7" with a partly aluminum fuselage, only because retention of the design and mfg tooling gives a better "return on sharholder equity" over a more innovative design.

[@dukenukem001]

Starliar ????

[@terranspaceacademy]

Oh I like that one too. :-)

[@jimsuber6784]

I've been in this type of meeting for years for far less critical technical issues, mostly IT. My impression after listening to quite a bit of this meeting is just this: No.

[@terranspaceacademy]

I hate those

[@harbifm766766]

Yep، the 5.1 billion were wasted if that is the question..difnitly any money spent after 2021..since they know the station will be down by 2030..and there no need for more such crafts

[@terranspaceacademy]

At least nationally, the capability will be needed for the commercial stations :-) But we have Dragon and soon Dream Chaser for that...

[@吳瑞源-e6d]

前前後後已經十年了，這場遊戲還要玩多久呢？

[@terranspaceacademy]

這是一個非常好的問題。我認為，當其他國家開始在太空領域取得真正的進展時，美國就會收緊政策。

[@Ravenought69]

No wonder Starliner and Boing is a shitshow. That guy likes to talk and talk and talk.... Just fix the damn valve and hydrogen lines, and stop whining about it. Jesus if it took longer than a week to fix it than we now what the real problem is.

[@terranspaceacademy]

Indeed... I think spacecraft should be more modular. There's a slight weight penalty but it's worth it.

[@macebobkasson1629]

I’m sure it is to be a wast

[@terranspaceacademy]

A terrible wast indeed... :-)

[@kenknowlton3085]

Yes. Just saved you 1 hour 41 minutes

[@terranspaceacademy]

Cool

[@clytle374]

StarMax

[@terranspaceacademy]

Those are true to size by the way. Starship is mindbogglingly big.

[@mactan_sc]

with ol Melon Husk being such a liability they need a shiny toy to distract him so that they can fulfill their dragon contracts without interference

[@terranspaceacademy]

He does need to quiet down but we would be not riding Soyuz to the ISS right now without him.

[@baahcusegamer4530]

“Wast” of money in original title.

[@terranspaceacademy]

No terminal e's in my dimension. Must adjust better or they'll find me.

[@davidfriedline7525]

I guess Elon is going to hire an assembly line of AI to make hot staging rings , double the capacity of them , because have to put a new one on after every launch ! Makes no sense , just jettison the hot staging ring everytime it re-enters earths atmosphere! I thought really thats your answer , instead of putting bigger fins or more fins , i got it lets just discard it before we come back ! SMH ! If thats the best you can come up with , i wouldnt even try to launch starship til had something better than that !

[@terranspaceacademy]

I suppose. But then it's not FULLY reusable :-)

[@recycle320]

yes I sent Larry fink a message on twitter.

[@terranspaceacademy]

Now you've done it!

[@davidfriedline7525]

I guess Elon is going to hire an assembly line of AI to make hot staging rings , double the capacity of them , because have to put a new one on after every launch ! Makes no sense , just jettison the hot staging ring everytime it re-enters earths atmosphere! I thought really thats your answer , instead of putting bigger fins or more fins , i got it lets just discard it before we come back ! SMH ! If thats the best you can come up with , i wouldnt even try to launch starship til had something better than that !

[@clydecox2108]

I’m sure once they get the landing down they will stop throwing away the hot staging ring.

[@terranspaceacademy]

I agree... They can beef it up a little and use it over and over again...

[@davidfriedline7525]

I guess Elon is going to hire an assembly line of AI to make hot staging rings , double the capacity of them , because have to put a new one on after every launch ! Makes no sense , just jettison the hot staging ring everytime it re-enters earths atmosphere! I thought really thats your answer , instead of putting bigger fins or more fins , i got it lets just discard it before we come back ! SMH ! If thats the best you can come up with , i wouldnt even try to launch starship til had something better than that !

[@hawkdsl]

The matrix glitched you. (post repeated three times)

[@terranspaceacademy]

We'll see if they can work that out...