Starmer Says Long-Term Sick Should Look For Work

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[@lamalama9717]

A sick society creates sick people.

[@Bob-e9f9q]

You got that right.

[@chrismann5070]

Society here always been sick

[@greendragonspirit1646]

@lamalama9717 you're absolutely right,and it will never get better!

[@snowleopard9749]

Letting COVID circulate widely leading to LongCOVID and exploitative working conditions combined with a huge rise in cost of living destroying young people's mental health...

[@karenrock3864]

And COVID has caused a lot more long-term sickness

[@bernieburrows3731]

Why don't governments treat people like human beings, instead of units of commodity?

[@BoiseLou]

Because they do not work on behalf of the voters, they work on behalf of their capitalist oligarch donors.

[@taniaaustin6433]

Because when it comes down to it we are just a number and they look at statistics taken from tick boxes on a form.

[@darthregulus]

Seriously, governments treat people like disposable “things”.

[@DissociatedWomenIncorporated]

@@bernieburrows3731 because treating people like human beings is fundamentally incompatible with capitalism

[@alphaomega1328]

Because to governments / large corporations we are just units of commodity. All they view us as is things to hit targets x employed, y born z died etc...

[@glennhopkins2643]

Make Starmer unempoyed.

[@oathy03]

I truly believe if the Locals are a total wipe out they will move against him. The guy is not a good leader, he dodges all the important issues he's got removing the whip. He seems to forget one thing MP's are there for the people not for the party so that blows wide open his "Country 1st party 2nd", MPs can cry a gallon if they keep supporting these policies they will be kicked out in 5 years, Most of them have reduced majorities and it only takes Tory/Reform to do a deal and Labour have a serious problem,. This seat used to be 21k its now under 1k. 200 people have quit the local party and these are long term members, That's 200 less to go out doorstepping etc The guy is not a good leader he's terrible at reading the room he might be well educated but common sense is totally missing.

[@marinka424]

Yes, totally unemployed.

[@awalk5177]

Well he is not fit for the job he is doing.

[@JohnLunetto]

Then cut his benefits, let his millionaire chums look after him

[@dalebenton3354]

want Starmer to become part of the Benefit next,Go pay for his welfare then

[@joetotale6354]

That face. Those eyes. There's nothing there.

[@darkhorseman8263]

It's called shallow affect display. Commonly linked to psychopaths.

[@MizzaStewart]

Absolutely Empty 💯

[@NoWindNoSunNoPower]

Perhaps Michael Walker should bobble like Owen Jones.

[@duplicitouskendoll9402]

Like a lizard. Or a shark. Something cold-blooded.

[@sootica-sidhe]

Starmer as I've said before, a poundland Patrick Bateman.

[@MrGavinBoyd]

Punching down as usual. Why not go after the billions lost with dodgy PPE contracts?

[@RobinHarris-nf4yv]

Wanting to give support to people to help them back to work is “punching down”

[@paulhinkley11]

Because it was their mates

[@detritiv0re144]

@@RobinHarris-nf4yv He is literally regurgitating tory talking points we have been hearing for the past 14 years. How well did their approach work?

[@screenPhiles]

@@RobinHarris-nf4yv Is that really what he's doing?

[@paulwilson7234]

Easier to get the low hanging fruit.

[@permaveg]

"The true measure of any society is how it treats the most vulnerable members". Gandhi.

[@Dee-VII]

Never a truer word said. As Gandhi was a Cruel Hypocrite just like Two Tier Keir. as when his wife Sarah became sick he refused her access to Western medicine e.g. penicillin and she died. Yet when he became sick apparently he was all for it. I think the true measure of anyone is to get their facts straight. Next you'll be telling us Mother Teressa was a good person and the Dalia lama is a Saint. lol.

[@FraserBailey-jm5yz]

"The true measure of any society is how it treats the sausages".Me

[@Dee-VII]

Never a truer word said. As Gandhi was a Cruel Hypocrite just like Two Tier Keir. as when his wife Sarah became sick he refused her access to Western medicine e.g. penicillin and she died. Yet when he became sick apparently he was all for it. I think the true measure of anyone is to get their facts straight. Next you'll be telling us Mother Teressa was a good person and the Dalia lama is a Saint. lol. I do love it when you tube deletes comments

[@edwardharris2388]

What a hypocrite. He's so upset about people getting benefits when not working due to sickness, yet he can recieve hundreds of thousands of pounds worth of free goodies from billionaires and companies. Maybe he should return all that and ask them to give that money to charity.

[@gmunden1]

How about the RF go first? 🙄🤔

[@pheart2381]

Maybe He should get a job,because I havn't seen him do anything yet.

[@duplicitouskendoll9402]

It's almost as if politics is a form of welfare with the amount they take... Job seekers need to prove they're looking for work to get their money, what do politicians have to do for theirs...?

[@F.T.S.G]

​@gmunden1 The RF? I'm gonna guess that means the royal family. Riddle me this. What's that got to do with what the OP said? Are you saying getting rid of one will stop MPa getting freebies?

[@RobinHarris-nf4yv]

No he is trying to give support to people to get them back to work

[@TiffanyLaVoom]

I am long term sick, I have been waiting since 2021 for a surgery.I get letters in September for appointments last july. my Therapy sessions cancelled last minute and rescheduled after i have already arrived for them. Eye surgery rescheduled FIVE times before being seen. I was in a train accident, crippled in a wheel chair. Critical hypertension. Told I have a ten percent chance of ever working again. I am not allowed to drive as it is a stroke risk. Any tress could trigger a stroke. And now I have to find work on top of that? No wonder we're depressed.

[@BoiseLou]

Sending my solidarity and wishing you strength. 🐻

[@RajAujla-h4c]

Sorry for your pain, I hope you get your operation soon. You should be supported and your health should be prioritised.

[@drummingtildeath]

No, you don't have to work now. That's really not what was said.

[@XennialTV]

Did you vote Labour at the last election?

[@dianamincher6479]

Relax! We, the people will not let you down!

[@michaelgreenhalgh3369]

Here we go again punishing the sick and disabled has he finished with the elderly for now

[@christineoconnor155]

Don't forget the children living in desperate poverty because of slave wages and 2 child benefit cap. He lied his way to leadership in the Labour party and then to be PM

[@g1fcg]

This is NOT human!

[@gsismaet5385]

He is not human.

[@gsismaet5385]

He is not human.

[@RobinHarris-nf4yv]

Starmer wants to give more support to,people to help them back to work Seems pretty human to me

[@douglasmacari8707]

@@RobinHarris-nf4yvYou seem extremely naive, to me. Either that or you're a disingenuous apologists for Starmer.

[@explorer0213]

​@@RobinHarris-nf4yv we're do you not comprehend not everyone can work. This is inhumane!! Lots will unalive themselves is that human treatment!!

[@rgoonewardene380]

Coming from a man whose son can’t study because there are a few cameras outside their house, so he needed an eighteen million pound apartment to study in.

[@Sodoff-c2b]

Sounds like a right little princess

[@fatherchristmas2998]

Let's not forget he claimed he was at home wene made broad casts from Ali's penthouse. He was at that penthouse at the election but put on the voting form his real house

[@fatherchristmas2998]

​@@Sodoff-c2bwe know one thing. He will be a sponger like his old man.

[@flakieflake9616]

There are rumours Ali is Starmer gay lover and that it was him in the appartment not his son

[@fatherchristmas2998]

@@flakieflake9616 no jokes about back ali,s hee hee hee

[@stuartcarmichael1880]

he hits the elderly now the sick. how much lower can he go on the British people. time for the independent Labour Party to rise

[@ebbonfly]

Vote Reform if you want reform.

[@strangetrip837]

Well said. The old ILP needs to be revived ✊

[@douglasmacari8707]

@@ebbonfly😂Don't be silly. How is privatised politics going to help those in need of help?

[@aldarabeare9274]

@@ebbonflyNo content with this right party and far right,you want fa-far-far right?,we never learn

[@DewiSant-o3y]

He's a lawyer. Much lower

[@meltimmins6368]

I’ve worked for 40 odd years(im 62)as an installation and maintenance electrician. Where I’ve crawled on floorboards, in loft spaces, in ducting and chopped out brick work and plaster. At times manually intensive. But around 2015 I started to have issues with arthritis. Then circa 2019 lost my job on the grounds of capability due to arthritis in my toes, ankles, knees, hands(fingers of both hands) and more recently lumbar spondylitis(likely due in part to fracturing my L1 Vertebrae) . My mobility is limited as my ankles and knees give way. I can’t sit for to long as my knees lock. I can’t stand either for to long either due to pain in my knee and if I walk I can and have fallen. I have dropped mugs of tea/coffee, bottles and pans of boiled veg. Turning the kitchen into a battlefield. I’m currently awaiting to see a rheumatology consultant and an orthopaedic consultant over my feet which in all likelihood will require 2 separate operations. I’d like to see suits like Starmer work for a month in a manual job to see the reality of what manual work entails. NB arthritis is not the only condition I face….

[@Superfantastictop10]

It's appalling the way capitalism destroys the bodies of working people. I'm sorry man

[@Way827]

KS needs to do forced Labour. He is a war criminal after all.

[@geedee1264]

It destroys your body and kills any access to health unless you have the cash

[@josephinebrevig8748]

@@Superfantastictop10I’m sorry too 😢

[@tonybrett5209]

I know all them too. But from working in Retail Warehousing and Door security!

[@alasdairmacleod7769]

The way he talks about benefit claimants, yet look at all the free s*** he's been receiving😐🙄

[@patcampton7163]

Hypocrite, isn't he?

[@alasdairmacleod7769]

@@patcampton7163 definitely on my personal list of hypocrites

[@Alx-h9g]

But he worked really hard for that.

[@randomnesspersonified]

biggest sscroungners going that lotg

[@PeachesandCream225]

@@Alx-h9g LOL

[@Bobontt11]

Hes on another planet theres no support for mental health Hes cold as ice Devil .

[@chpoules]

Only cold monsters make it to the top, some of them being better than others at hiding their icy side.

[@jon-paulfilkins7820]

If an employer is willing to put up with the fact I no longer have full control over my arshole (occasional urgency incontinence) and could have an "accident" happen with barely 60's seconds notice, well, i'm listening.

[@Superfantastictop10]

Just go in his desk drawer

[@CLAUDIAMORT]

@@Superfantastictop10😂😂😂

[@markpostgate2551]

I'm sure Amazon are already replacing driving seats with commodes in their delivery vans to save on time-costly toilet breaks so they'll probably be fine with it.~

[@JohanMcBean]

You are a 😎

[@Tim_Shippam]

I am pretty sure Starmer would tell you to wear a nappy... And it would all be fine... 🙄

[@Michael-yq2ut]

And I thought Cameron and Osborne were bad, Starmer and Reeves will kill off more people than they did in the 2010s. Is this the start of the real life hunger games?

[@gordonwilkinson5041]

you do realise do you that there are folk that claim to have bad backs or claim to be depressed but have been seen dancing in pubs and nightclubs? those people have been laughing behind the backs of tax payers for years

[@Michael-yq2ut]

@@gordonwilkinson5041 people like that are rare, how about we go after the rich that rip off the tax system to a much higher degree

[@xemy1010]

It's a scam policy that kills 3 birds with one stone for the ruling class: 1. frees up previously guaranteed state benefits for policies that benefit them more directly. 2. takes away autonomy of those with no power to push back through punitive means testing, forcing even more people to desperately compete with each other for a shrinking number of job vacancies putting further downward pressure on wages (more desperate people are willing to take lower pay). 3. it breaks morale, and a sense of hopelessness means weakened political organisation. It's class war in slow motion.

[@Katy-sh3ru]

​@gordonwilkinson5041 do you realise that tax avoidance dwarfs benefit fraud?

[@marinka424]

@@gordonwilkinson5041 If they’re on morphine, I’m not surprised they can dance for ten minutes once a week, as long as you’ve just topped up. You might not be able to walk the next day.

[@crayontom9687]

Red Tory klaxon 🚨

[@XennialTV]

10 years in government and nothing that Labour is currently saying they're going to do is anything that the Tories did. You can't keep calling people you don't agree with as right-wing, conservative or tory. The Labour party is leftwing socialism, demanding the workforce gets back to work no matter what is leftwing socialism bordering on communism. Nothing about it is Tory.

[@jawadad73]

Keir Starmer: "Raise the dead, some of these lazy buggars got some work left in em...."

[@OrthodoxChristian809]

They need to send the pensioners out to dig the roads. It'll help keep them warm 😊

[@marionjames4986]

@@OrthodoxChristian809why not get them jobs in McDonalds etc that will give them a purpose, money and heat! To quote Katherine Tates Gran “what a tosser”!

[@LeahCassidy-tl1tn]

​@OrthodoxChristian809 don't give them ideas please!

[@marionjames4986]

@@LeahCassidy-tl1tn😂😂😂

[@kevbrown2532]

No one is mentioning the fact that COVID caused damage to various parts of the body including brain damage which more often than not is linked to extreme anxiety and depression. Those most affected were the younger members of society.

[@johnfrancis2215]

Not as dangerous as the so called cure actually

[@stocktonjoans]

he's also completely failed to acknowledge the fact that none of these long term sick people are going to be able to get back to work without NHS treatment or that he's refusing to give it the funding it needs to reform

[@aclark903]

Covid or side effects from the vax?

[@SJ-bq6pl]

💉 💉 💉 💉 💉 💉 💉 💉

[@johnfrancis2215]

@@SJ-bq6pl 💥💯👌

[@WVislandia]

Starmer needs to get a life and stop making everyone else prop him up.

[@keldsleepnot7961]

He clearly doesn't understand that for many of us just coping with our illness/disability is a full time job in itself

[@davidfaulkner7805]

It sounds like you're in pretty much the same situation as myself. But the words he used were "BACK into work FROM long term sickness, which to me, implies that they no longer have that long term sickness....Yay or nay?

[@xemy1010]

He understands that perfectly well, he's just paid to look the other way and continue dismantling social services on behalf of the ruling class.

[@geedee1264]

How is one to recover from this long term sickness without access to the proper healthcare, don't get me started on my 50 odd hospital visits the last 4 years hoping and praying I'd get help but I lost hope each and every time, I wouldn't set foot back in a hospital now , he better off just collapsing in the same street. Back to work from long term sickness. That attitude in and of itself is a long term sickness

[@sophsaund304]

Exactly that. I would love to be well enough to work.

[@Katy-sh3ru]

THIS!!

[@prasiet1]

Blank expression, dull tones. Is he actually a robot?

[@juliebarks3195]

The choices are🤖👽👹🤡💩

[@ince55ant]

more of a homunculus

[@juliebarks3195]

@@ince55ant A man of many parts. 🙈🙉🙊

[@stephenbennett1989]

Whats next getting the sick to work from thier hospital bed

[@chrishart8548]

Even when they die in hospital they are still deemed fit to work

[@berniethekiwidragon4382]

If he can find a way to reanimate corpses to go to work, I think he would.

[@NTVT1999]

All you need is a phone and a laptop to do B2B sales 😂👍

[@chrishart8548]

@@NTVT1999 what is a B2B sale ?

[@MetalSamantha]

Can be used to stop drafts coming under the door Pity about the smell, though

[@0oRich0o]

Will an employer understand if I start work on day one, get sick on day 6, and need to be off work for 3 weeks while I recover from my neurological disease's latest issues? Then do it all again

[@rachaelhogan7850]

That’s what I said exactly same it’s going to backfire, I can’t go out and commute day after to day for miles without doing a days work on top I can’t my health’s bad that’s why I’m on limited to work benefit can’t work so they can threaten all they like from my perspective it’s not happening and they can threaten all they like my health can be to the point where I’m bedridden for days I could work but there’ll. be days where I can’t make it to work so it will backfire

[@ashaqhussain6902]

Starmer has turned out even worse then expected. Targetting pensioners, targetting sick and ill. He is trying to prove he is more mean and cruel then the Tories.

[@fionaburnett8578]

💯💯💯

[@DiamanteSands]

There is nothing unexpected about it. The fact he broke every single one of his pledges that he made when he was running for labour leader should of clued people in to what he was like and how much he could be trusted. Plus all the left members hes unjustly purged from the party, and all the MP’s he has suspended for not voting the way he wanted. He wants a dictatorship, not a democracy.

[@BP-of5cp]

There are plenty of young and healthy people claiming benefits because they made a whole football team of kids and are sitting at home whilst the kids are in school all day. Many are claiming PIP because of being obese. These people need to get a job, not the long term sick with serious conditions.

[@juliebarks3195]

Well, he's doing a good job.

[@MetalSamantha]

@@juliebarks3195He couldn’t be doing a worse job

[@roadaheadmedia]

How much does benefit cost the country compared with say tax avoidance? Should any questions put to the government on benefits include a reference to other spending areas?

[@Sam.o.29]

Correct me if I'm wrong but they have also pledged to clamp down on tax avoidance aswell... And the cost of benefit fraud is around £10bn.

[@gamerknown]

Small in comparison to unclaimed benefits people are entitled to I’m sure. My colleague was unaware of the single person council tax discount, living in the same borough for 20 years, the council just arbitrarily said they wouldn’t backdate refunds

[@paulwilson7234]

A fair point.

[@geedee1264]

Boots gives you a lecture about possible addiction when you try to buy a packet of painkillers (cuz you can't see the GP any time soon), ask your life history and act like you just asked for an ounce of pure. And they don't pay their taxes

[@DavidGirling]

@@Sam.o.29 But WHICH benefits are being defrauded? Is it sickness benefits, or in work benefits? How many in work are claiming for more dependants than they actually have? Some years back a woman was fined for wrongly claiming a benefit. In court it turned out that if she had known about, and claimed, the correct benefit, she was actually entitled to MORE than she had been claiming, but that didn't stop her being fined for claiming the wrong one, and they wouldn't back-date her claim for the correct benefit.

[@michaelbashford2733]

The idea that person is only valuable to society if they can work os GROTESQUE in the worst possible way.

[@hydra66]

It's a 2 way thing Kier. Where are the appropriate jobs?

[@matthewtaylor7355]

​@@superrrnova1986Racists should b forced to work for their UC

[@superrrnova1986]

@@matthewtaylor7355 All our neighbourhoods will be stinking of curry before long

[@hydra66]

@@superrrnova1986 if you can't compete, that's on you

[@CLAUDIAMORT]

@@hydra66😂😂😂

[@dancer5355]

The British people think that starver should be done for treason and jailed indefinitely.

[@detritiv0re144]

No.

[@becky2235]

Too right

[@MetalSamantha]

Yes Hard-core Labour fans might like him, but there’s virtually none of those left, and one reason is that a lot of stopped being hardcore Labour fans because we couldn’t bloody stand Starmer! He’s objectively less popular than Corbyn and if you think otherwise, you are utterly and completely deluded BTW, I voted for Labour for decades. I didn’t just start under Corbyn. Last election was the first in my adult life where I didn’t vote for Labour, and the reason I didn’t do that can be summed up in precisely two words - Keir and Starmer

[@sheridanjay]

No I don’t think so.

[@antispindr8613]

Why not?

[@canemore1]

Starmers hard right labour are no different from the tories . Utterly disgusting

[@ELLISRUGER8]

Their worst they have taken away the choice. Labour has been taken over by what they were created to oppose. There is no choice, whoever you vote for the government gets in!

[@marinka424]

Starmer reminds me of the Cameron government. Oddly Boris seemed fine with the disabled and even took pressure off.

[@guitargirlutube]

Starmer has made it that way. He has infiltrated and destroyed the party. Get him out!!!

[@jrh86]

They are the Tories !

[@jaijai5250]

He made it crystal clear how he would operate if he won the election. He didn’t tell any lies when Labour were in opposition, yet people still voted for him. Most believed the mainstream lies they told about Jeremy Corbyn.

[@nigel789]

I've waited one and a half years for a complete hip replacement, the pain was huge. Fortunately my firm was sympathetic and I did tech calls. Without that I would be out of a job. The bloke's a nut case

[@jjefferyworboys8138]

Your firm should have paid for your surgery, it would have been so much cheaper for them.

[@explorer0213]

​@jjefferyworboys8138 Maybe they can not afford it!! But have done the best they could.

[@highpath4776]

@@jjefferyworboys8138 corporation tax pays for NHS

[@geedee1264]

Yeah and I'm sure down the line they couldn't use that over your head??

[@OliviaTaylor-j7k]

I have the same excruciating pain in my hips

[@arash4712]

The expensive gifted spec doesn't really look that good!

[@gbrown9694]

New Labour = Tory lite

[@mesamies123]

Lite?

[@gbrown9694]

@@mesamies123 good point. Might be Tory-max at this point 😂

[@Weakeyedominant]

Worst of both worlds

[@YA-hm5zy]

Worse than tories

[@fear-the-most-High]

Tory 2.0😊

[@DissociatedWomenIncorporated]

I’ve never been able to work, due to my health conditions. Getting “back” to work wouldn’t even be accurate phrasing for my situation. It’s like they’re trying to pretend those like me simply don’t exist.

[@Malfiee]

Pretty much the same. I've only ever been able to get low pay, no pay, zero hours contracts or volunteering jobs that promised a job that was never real to begin with. Even employers or charities that are very "disabled friendly" aren't in reality when it comes to paying disabled employees what we're worth. They constantly cry to you, the unemployed disabled person, about how there's "just no money" to employ you, and they say this to you with no hint of irony while getting into a very expensive car to drive back to the home they own.

[@gordonwilkinson5041]

you might be genuine but I know people that are capable of working but would rather live off the money taxpayers earn and pay

[@Malfiee]

@@gordonwilkinson5041 The problem with this take is that the government don't care about the difference between the supposed "genuine" and the "fakers". They treat us all like we're the "fakers". So every time someone says "Oh well genuinely disabled people should be cared for, but the fakers should be dealt with", is that to the government, both of these categories of people are the exact same.

[@DissociatedWomenIncorporated]

@@gordonwilkinson5041 cool story bro. Benefits fraud rate is about 0.5%. At a certain point, trying to catch out the few remaining fraudsters results in more genuine claims being dismissed (which costs the taxpayer a lot in appeals tribunals and the like) than dodgy claims being caught.

[@geedee1264]

Gordon, put the Daily Mail down ffs

[@mesamies123]

GROSS 🤢🤮

[@zoffer]

Keir Starmer should resign!

[@Way827]

He should be arrested and tried for crimes against humanity.

[@Funkeefairy]

@@Way827I agree but they’re all in the same club that were not !!

[@Titus9508]

Starmer creating public mistrust and hate. He knows exactly what he's doing.

[@Way827]

He's destroying the UK for his bosses in Washington.

[@DrEnglander1999]

Why is it that the only value an individual has is as an economic unit of production? Is it not possible that one can "contribute to society" in other ways, apart from being an employee? And if someone cannot be an employee, does that mean they are irrelevant, that they don't matter, that they are disposable? Another question - if so many people cannot work because they are ill, why not tackle the causes of illness?

[@kittyroo-x4p]

Starmer thinks humans are just disposable drones working to pay for his freebies.

[@snowleopard9749]

Exactly!

[@sheridanjay]

Well said.

[@riversguy92]

👏🏽

[@detritiv0re144]

In order for sick and disabled People to work there needs to be employers willing and able to hire and pay them. They never talk about that side of the equation

[@arash4712]

Let's not turn the gun on each other. That's exactly what the stuttering Starmer wants us to do. Hold this cheater to account.

[@ShakirahIbaad]

Exactly, the kind of accommodations needed don’t exist.

[@taracanyon1]

Exactly. They don't want to talk about that, it disrupts their agenda.

[@Nooooooooooooooo1x]

@arash4712 don't blame starmer! Rishi had same idea by telling doctors stop with the nonsensical sick notes. Why. Becuaer both parties know it's a problem & needs addressing

[@gamerknown]

@@Nooooooooooooooo1x you want a final solution?

[@beggarslexicon7649]

I wonder how much of that £80 billion is actually payments, and how much is administration -- job centres, compliance officers, support services, etc. I think we may find the answer to be very revealing.

[@howareyou857]

Exactly and millions in benefits go unclaimed too

[@ethelmini]

Doesn't matter in one sense - it all creates economic activity that pays the wages of others. The only difference is actual value of what's consumed, in human terms. A good, healthy, meal for a benefit claimant versus some forms printed & personal data typed in ti a database.

[@morpheus1586]

The reason why people are on long term sick is because the nhs is not working. Too many on the waiting list.

[@jjefferyworboys8138]

If you were of any real worth to your firm they would provide private health cover for you.

[@morpheus1586]

@jjefferyworboys8138 A lot of them do but private health care doesn't cover pre existing conditions.

[@gordonwilkinson5041]

most of them are simply fiddling the system, I personally know some, there are some genuine ones though

[@morpheus1586]

@gordonwilkinson5041 defo. There are a lot of people that do. I have clients like that and I can't stand them. I am on the waiting list myself but I still work and have worked for years.

[@explorer0213]

​@jjefferyworboys8138 we are not in USA there are no laws to protect UK citizens employer's would never agree to this.

[@jasonryder6652]

I worked as a Nurse for much of my life. I became seriously ill in 2018 (48). I had fantastic support by The NHS to try and return to work and even got to a point where i tried to lie and say i felt well enough to go back. The anger i still have because i cant do any work because im so immuno suppressed...on oxygen and unable to wash and dress without oxygen and im being targeted by this c*$t!? wow....just.......wow

[@twonewns]

Some of the most neglected chronic conditions in terms of research and nhs care affect prime age people. These are disabling physical health conditions typified by pain, fatigue, orthostatic intolerance and cognitive dysfunction, such as: fibromyalgia affecting 2m 1/3-1/2, cannot work Mecfs affecting 250 000 3/4 cannot work POTS affects 100 000 1/4 cannot work New long covid affects 2 million & 1/4 cannot work

[@TheTwinn]

I have border line personality disorder. I worked from 14 to 30. Then I lost my partner to covid and my mind broke. I can't step outside without having panic attacks but I want nothing more then to work again. The issue is that I can't find an employer that is willing to put things in place to accommodate my illness. There are weeks when I can't get out of bed and there are weeks when I can. I need an employer that can give me a week off at a minute notice because my mind has broken again. Think anyone is willing to take that on into their work place? Because I've not found them yet and until I do or until I receive NHS therapy, which I've been waiting for for 4 years now, I don't have a choice but remain unemployed. I want nothing in this world more then to be able to work again but no one is willing to help me do it. And so I'm just stuck in a constant cycle of self loathing, knowing what I used to be able to do and now what I want to do but can't. It's hell.

[@BoiseLou]

Wow, it must take you so much strength to make it through each day. It's crap that people like Starmer won't acknowledge the strength it takes for people in situations like yours to get by from day to day. Sending my solidarity. 🕊

[@darwin6267]

I hope you get the help to heal. Don't annoy yourself with the Starmers of this world they are not worth it. Good luck to you and take care

[@TheTwinn]

@@BoiseLou Thank you for those kind words, it means a lot x

[@TheTwinn]

@@darwin6267 Thank you brother, means a lot that you took the time to reply x

[@peacefulpath222]

If they want you to work, put the ball in their court & tell them to find you an employer willing to support your needs. Don’t let them try to make you fit to what they want. I wish better times ahead for you🙏🏻

[@Katy-sh3ru]

Some of us chronically ill folk will be so worried by this, they will take their own lives. I would bet money that Starmer and Reeves don't actually give a flying shit.

[@juliemaddern]

He makes me sick!

[@GaGaObession]

I thought this too :( it’s so horrid! feels worse than the tories - I’m on long term sick & so nervous for the October autumn statement now

[@johnwilliams7653]

@@Katy-sh3ru Worse, they want you to.

[@JonathanPer_JackHammerSalm]

This man is a hypocrite

[@WhoOneIs]

Starmer after mugging pensioners has decided to beat up the disabled.

[@dalebenton3354]

Not every 1 is disabled,To many people on the fiddle all the time,Thats ok,We paying tax for them to fiddle our tax moneys

[@LeahCassidy-tl1tn]

​@dalebenton3354 yet all of that pales into insignificance when you realise how much money is held in hedge funds and other shady schemes.

[@diabolicalias1571]

@@dalebenton3354 do a bit research the Tory’s kicked off some thing like 80% from 2010 onwards to be on the sick nowadays you have to be you know actually sick there’s many hoops to jump threw just to get a sick note before you get any money but keep on telling yourself that we’re all on the fiddle

[@mixodorians12]

I have chronic backpain, after a kid knocked me off my bike... cannot stand in place or sit down for long without it flaring up...and me phoning in sick the next day. If i travel by bus it flares up, if I rotate side to side, it flares up. The pain puts me in bed for days.. I get tetchy, irritable, sometimes even suicidal. Somedays I don't even dress because of it. Just thinking of bending down makes me irritable. Once an employer was going to be actually paid to have me, and they refused. During the interview they treated me like I was the most disabled person they had ever seen.. How about we punish the kid that hit me with his car, instead of terrorising me?

[@sukotu23]

How about we don't punish anyone and rehabilitate people so they don't become lifetime criminals?

[@bigback7]

Did you vote Labour by any chance?

[@mixodorians12]

​​@@sukotu23well they made me out to be a criminal..and all I was a hood ornament for about 3 seconds and then a spinal job. Oh and whilst on the floor in agony a group formed (had to wait 3 hours for an ambulance, lying still) and the family of the kid appeared and were laughing at me and accusing me..whilst I was in agony thinking I broke my back. It was like three hours of the Jeremy kyle show on top of a accident. We have raised a society of psychopaths.

[@mixodorians12]

​@@bigback7 nope. Plaid Cymru.

[@F7HFL]

​@@sukotu23Not everyone can be rehabilitated, unfortunately. When you have morally bankrupt people having kids, those kids have that same world view deeply embedded into them. It's all they know.

[@Kuznet609]

Remember: I, Daniel Blake!

[@garrykathyowen]

When Starmer going to get a job.

[@serenity8145]

How will they ‘support' the long term sick? ‘Support’ = another fluffy word.

[@blede8649]

They'll give them a crutch so they can walk to the factory floor by themselves. Carers then can also start looking for a job. That way the government won't have to pay carers' allowance either. It's a win win win !!

[@Bistna444]

@@blede8649 yep the tory way.

[@daveborder7751]

The same as the Tories didn't when they did this same routine in the 2010's under Cameron etc-there is no support, just the same old crap until their appeals finally get looked at, the decision gets overturned & then they have to backdate the money to the people they stole it from for a few tabloid headlines.

[@detritiv0re144]

"support" = telling them to get a job.

[@stephenthomas3085]

There used to be organisations that were dedicated to providing help with getting a job and providing ongoing in work support, working with employers. I worked in collaboration with some of these organisation abou fifteen years ago. As far as I am aware these sorts of entites lost their funding after 2010 and closed, to be replaced by the Duncan Smith's Work Programme that, despite lavish funding, didn't have much success and the companies concerned claimed money for every person placed in employment but, of course, in many cases this wasn't stable permanent full time work. As to in work support then forget it.

[@bez23]

The way schemes to support people into work fail is that the workplace tends not to be flexible when an illness or disorder fluctuates in severity, so while some people can work some of the time, there are structural barriers (both administrative, and down to the perception of non-medical/non-clinical staff at either the employer or benefit admin level) that mean either people end up forced to work through pain and discomfort, or it ends up being easier to not work if the required flexibility and compassion is not present.

[@detritiv0re144]

Or the simple fact that unemployed and disabled people greatly outnumber job opportunities so they can always just hire someone else instead.

[@gwdyon]

Sick people should not be forced to work. That's not even a progressive view, it's just a humane view.

[@dalebenton3354]

How many people really are sick ????? a lot of people fiddle the system and make out they sick when they really not sick

[@Drewharri68.]

Where are the buisnesses that are doing this, i haven't found any yet. I would love to have a good job but i have spondylosis in my spine and a degenerative disc disorder and I know as a former employer that i would be the last candidate at 55 years old that would even be considered for most jobs. I have now been downgraded to a second class citizen in my own country just for being ill.

[@billmitchell7904]

There literally no jobs in my town, unless you want to work in a care home or warehouse. These are physically demanding roles in stressful surroundings with little pay. Certainly not suitable for disabled people 😡

[@rosejuliette9180]

It's not even Tory lite. It's just full Tory. Shame on labour.

[@RobinHarris-nf4yv]

It’s seems pretty labour to me to want to provide support to people to help them back to work

[@kirstyduncan408]

​@@RobinHarris-nf4yvthey don't want to support, they just want people off benefits. This has been done over and over and otleads to one things.... suicides when peoples money is stopped and the help has not been put inplace cos it costs money.

[@enigmaemmy]

@@RobinHarris-nf4yv ffs not right wingers constantly trying to redefine things again....

[@antispindr8613]

So, how do you sleep with such a cold and compassion-free attitude?For is not kicking people when down, and forcing them into any Mac Job, more like the act of the Nasty Party?

[@RobinHarris-nf4yv]

@@antispindr8613 So Starmer saying he wants to help people get back into work including reducing NHS waiting times for people unable to work due to waiting for an operation or procedure……is “kicking people when they are down”

[@johnwilliams7653]

Fixing the NHS might be more effective & less cruel than expecting the injured & the ill to be worked to premature deaths untreated. Starmer is vile.

[@jamesjamieson1347]

I've been looking for weeks to find a job where you get paid £150,000+/year. That pays ALL your expenses, including fuel bills. Where you get donations, including hospitality, to your favourite team's football matches, hospitality tickets to music gigs, £32,000 for clothing, £3,000 for glasses and the use of a multi-million-pound house in central London, etc. Even illegal immigrants are not afforded these luxuries. I have had no joy whatsoever. Can someone please help?

[@pmkeith]

Wasn't there a certain German gentleman that had similar opinions about elderly and disabled persons?

[@helenbenjafield7351]

It certainly sounds like ethnic cleansing.

[@kittyroo-x4p]

Yes, they were called 'useless feeders', I think Starmer is worse because he is a rank hypocrite.

[@detritiv0re144]

@@kittyroo-x4p It was "useless eaters".

[@kittyroo-x4p]

@@detritiv0re144 same thing

[@jeanmitchell5834]

Indeed it's going that way

[@janetholden1978]

Many employers are not willing to provide the equipment or make the adjustments to their business in order to accomadate workers with a disability

[@detritiv0re144]

There is always someone else they can hire.

[@jjefferyworboys8138]

Legislation may require to do so, irrespective of their willingness.

[@thebitterpan]

PM got support of free dresses for his wife , so he is able to work as PM … He should start such schemes for everyone to back to work

[@jod7633]

Dont they need to get them off waiting lists first? Seems daft to expect people waiting on treatment to get back to work.

[@kat2023.]

The words that stuck out here. "Even though you were stuck in bed for 20 years, you contributed to society, so you still had worth." Fine, find us all a job working from home, and i think that woman would find we ALL have "worth." Is our "worth" judged on whether we work with our disabilities or not? I don't think so.

[@alphaomega1328]

Your worth according to modern society is by how much is in your bank account. The more you have the more your worth. The less you have your worthless. (intended).

[@Jhamblen]

Come Tuesday let’s see if HE will be looking for work 😂😂😂

[@chrishill6715]

Starmer should look for work he’s going to be out of a job very soon.

[@iamrocketray]

@chrishill6715 Let's hope so 🤔🤔😵‍💫😵‍💫

[@newworldforward1842]

-Who's going to hire someone that dishonest?

[@paulchristopher8634]

We have another 5 years of this madness. God help us

[@jeanmitchell5834]

It won't last that long

[@matthewtaylor7355]

Starmer wants more people to look harder for non existent jobs

[@Grim_Beard]

07:25 "... you are still able to contribute to society, you still have worth, and you should still be out there contributing and doing your part" (Storm Huntley). There we have it in a nutshell: people don't have value unless they are generating profits for their owner. I guess Labour won't be brining in universal basic income any time soon.

[@Lynwen10]

Wow, and I thought Cameron was heartless. Here’s a novel thought, Starmer, the clue is in the name, long term sick, you don’t become sick for a long time without a good reason.

[@RohTBrown]

Precisely and what be financially worse off for it. They are cracking down on the benefits because they keep dishing them out for ptsd, depression for refugees. That's all it is. They're completely causing the problem then taking the benefit away from everyone as a whole.

[@f56yn25]

I thought slavery in Britain was abolished 1834 . Clearly under Labour we can back time. When will Starmer expect pre-school children to go up chimneys

[@johnwilliams7653]

@@f56yn25 No, it was only in 2010 that owning slaves was made illegal here. Buying or selling humans here was forbidden in 1834. The definition of slavery remains quite narrow. Much exploitation tantamount to slavery is still encouraged for the convenience of the rich. This is an essential part of free market capitalism.

[@newworldforward1842]

-Shhhh! -Don't give him any ideas...

[@FizzVizard]

Unfortunately, there are no jobs, not even low paid ones, that take into consideration that a person may not be able to always, through no fault of their own, get into work on time or work very fast when you do...

[@warriorontheedgeoftime4224]

People with certain physical and mental issues are unemployable due to corporate insurance, they are an insurance risk and companies and corporations will not employ them.

[@mrsdanvers9562]

I thought we voted the Tories out.

[@michaelwalls4346]

Yes, Aron, there were cases of suicide, deaths due to the stressful prospect of being forced to work and so on, even here in Sweden. During Sweden's austerity wave (still ongoing) from 2008 onwards.

[@playcloudpluspc]

I have to add that PIP is not an out of work benefit in that there are no restrictions on how much you can work and it is not means tested; this is often lost in the discussion as the government and tabloid media seek to demonise disabled people. Also, a large number have to claim benefits while working due to poor wages, not that work should be a measure of your fundamental value as a human being.

[@kittling5427]

It also has to be said claiming PIP is far from easy,

[@JSmith19858]

Hi, I'd like a job. Ok. I'm long term sick and would need adjustments to enable me to work. *click* Hello?

[@OrthodoxChristian809]

I'm autistic and used to work for a disability charity and even they couldn't be bothered to make a couple of small adjustments to help me do my job. I became ill because of them and had to quit. I work by myself now and earn a pittance, but at least I can avoid the things that used to affect me.

[@juliemaddern]

Exactly! They'll be so understanding

[@robotlove62]

What blimmin planet is he actually living on???

[@gmlpc7132]

One of the things that gets consistently overlooked in these discussions is how the great majority of those out of work have been paying taxes and national insurance for years, often decades. They have paid in far more than they've ever received and then get demonised for claiming benefits. It's disgraceful. It would be like paying into an insurance policy for decades and being demonised if you have to make a claim.

[@Ph871-w8v]

Different Party, same beliefs 🤔 This World/Country is Never going to change Until the people at the top Acknowledge the unfairness of a system fully geared up to keep the rich richer at everyone else's expense ! Bigger than this The country needs actions, not meetings that go nowhere, not words that sound like Blah Blah Blah How can we ever have a fairer system when it's only millionaires and billionaires pulling the strings and making the decisions. Have these people really helped the country and the people 😳 Still you can only blame us the people 🙃 Were not engaged, were not united and No interest in politics. We're all to busy Working, looking after the kids, paying the bills and taxes! Just the way they like it. Blah Blah Blah There is power in Numbers, if Only WE could find common ground, stick together and make the change. Throughout History People powered change, and then we get lazy and complacent....And so it goes Round and Round 😞 We are All Guilty of being Hypocrites at some time, but the systems these people built and build are Exemplary at Hypocrisies. Keep the Rich 🤑Richer🤑💰💷 at everyone else's expense ! Same as it's always been 😖

[@diverseandinclusive]

Under-resourcing is also having an effect - employers expecting workers to do higher voumes of work for same hourse/pay. Its not uncommon to find people working their weekends to keep up, not taking time off in lieu or annual leave because they'll have a huge backlog to get through when they come back. Those people get pushed to their limits and in some cases their mental health breaks. Austerity wears away at and eventually unravels the social fabric. What is happening was predictable. It's a symptom. Starmer needs to mend the fabric, or people will just keep falling through the holes.

[@Attackzone2010]

When I originally went onto long term sick it was because employers wouldn't tolerate me for being me, I lost so many jobs it was unreal, I discovered the reason was that I had Aspergers and my employers probably realised it was along those lines because they never fired me as such it was always some obscure reason that wouldn't hit them in the face further down the road (disability discrimination) . Since those 'wonderful' times though the arches in my feet have collapsed which basically means standing for long periods is basically a no no, I do work 2 days a week but there is a 2 days break between those days which gives my feet a chance to recover, also I should not my current employer is aware that I am autistic because now that I know I feel its important that they know. Starmer is basically doing a complete U-turn after years of bashing the conservatives for targeting the most vulnerable in our society he is now saying well actually lets get rid of the long term sick by putting them in a position where suicide could be a more viable option over either shit ton of pain or painkillers that often don't work or you need to see a doctor to get (yeah fat chance). I believe the conservatives buried the report about 5 years ago that showed an estimated 100,000 people on disability befit died either through suicide, lack of care or just generally screwed over by the then-new system. New new Labour have become Conservatives 2.0 the 'Hood Robins' that rob from the poor to feed the rich because lets face it we can't have billionaires going hungry and god forbid have the gall the ask them to pay taxes

[@MartinEvans]

Make jobs pay a wage that doesn't need the government to subsidise the business (I think its over 40% of UC claimants are in full time employment). Then talk about working for a living, rather than living to work.

[@Istherehope-v5d]

I’ve was in a coma for over 2 months my heart stopped beating I died the drs saved me my life I have been left with a brain injury heart condition CKD . Mobility. Problems. And the drs told. My brother my health will get worse. I have sort team memory loss . I take lots of medication a day to keep me alive . I didn’t ask for this . I didn’t want to be like this I have depression mental. Health problems. Starmer doesn’t care what life is like for me or others . I would rather have Not been here my life is crap I did not ask for this to happen to me . I have drs that look after my health and me What does starmer want from me . I’m not going into much about my mental health I have health care people that care for me

[@fuckbankers]

Putting pressure on people suffering from depression and anxiety will make them more ill.

[@gooblegooble99]

Every time he is challenged to state what he believes, he seriously sounds like he’s never thought about it before, has never been asked about it before, and he’s having to work out what words to say and what order to say them in at the very moment they are exiting between his pursed lips. And usually he’s being asked whether he agrees with whatever right wing line the media are taking, so the first default words to come out are ‘well, look, of course I do…’ while his brain tries to formulate a vaguely coherent belief.

[@sammydingdong4540]

"Royal family" biggest benefit scroungers in history get a huge rise and the wind-farm sea-bed benefit bonanza.on week one of this government while pensioners and now the sick are hit and hit hard thanks Stamer ......................

[@jjefferyworboys8138]

Having a royal family is estimated to contribute @ £2bn a year to the Uk economy. How little you seem to know ?

[@explorer0213]

Hitting the most vulnerable in society 😡😡😡

[@Donteatyellowsnow-]

@@jjefferyworboys8138come on mate, France (for example) doesn’t have a RF and has loads of tourists bringing in money - Versailles makes huge amounts. If we get abolish the monarchy & open all the estates for visitors, charge everyone a tenner and you’ll make an absolute bomb. We already pay the maintenance on the estates, they live rent free and do fuck all.

[@heather333]

They work harder than anyone.

[@geedee1264]

Do you know how much it costs to keep them???

[@colleenfuller1367]

I notice that Starmer didn’t say that people have a right to work at a job that pays well. His view of work is that it will get freeloaders off of benefits.

[@peterswires8439]

We're paying the price for our stupidity. Anyone could see what a compassionate and honest politician Jeremy Corbyn was, yet we allowed ourselves to believe that antisemitism garbage, and now we're reaping what we've sown.

[@geedee1264]

You believed that??? Really???? Well I suppose better late than never

[@fionaburnett8578]

💯💯💯💯💯💯💯

[@markbullen5989]

Yep!

[@jaijai5250]

Speak for yourself. I didn’t buy the mainstream demonisation of Jeremy Corbyn.

[@UKG-Midnight]

Society is so depressing and restrictive that it is hardly surprising that people are suffering from anxiety to varying degrees. Add to that that there doesnt seem to be any 'reward' for being a good member of society and you do ask yourself what is the point.

[@djpeekay25]

Is he now the most unpopular PM? No one really voted for him, but voted the Tories out.

[@helenbenjafield7351]

A perfect summation.

[@jaijai5250]

It’s that strategy that got him elected through. It was crystal clear that he was a Tory whilst he was in opposition. Now people are crying because they got what they wanted.

[@MetalSamantha]

As far as I can honestly able to tell, his popularity is on a par with the clap, the bubonic plaque and severe food poisoning

[@djpeekay25]

@@MetalSamantha 😂😂😂😂👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@MrsGypsumFantastic]

Mental health treatment is pretty poor, it’s mostly take a pill and stop complaining. If think it would help bring young people closer together, maybe mental health support groups could work.

[@paulwilson7234]

Where are all these jobs for people coming from ? Are employers willing to employ a lot of people with challenges?

[@detritiv0re144]

Nope. They never talk about that.

[@xemy1010]

It's a scam policy that kills two birds with one stone for the ruling class: frees up previously guaranteed state benefits for policies that benefit them more directly, and takes away autonomy of those with no power to push back through punitive means testing, forcing even more people to desperately compete with each other for a shrinking number of job vacancies, putting further downward pressure on wages (more desperate people are willing to take lower pay). It also breaks morale, and a sense of hopelessness means weakened political organisation. It's class war in slow motion.

[@paulwilson7234]

​@detritiv0re144 you're absolutely right , maybe some one will ask the minister concerned.

[@wattyler6075]

If I wanted a Tory government I would've voted Tory. This guy simply isn't Labour.

[@user-ch7ri7sm7h]

That man has no heart

[@Charlie-UK]

Strange how Keir Starmers, super rich mates don't have to dig a little deeper isn't it. Instead, everyday people have to carry the can, for his 'Hard choices'. Starmer sounds, more and more like George Osborne. every day that passes. No wonder he is now, less popular than Rishi Sunak. At least he made no pretence, about being entitled and richer than God...

[@doreenhollywood7459]

Unfortunately it isn't about what is best for people. It is what can make more money for the government and their backers. More people taking up poorly paid jobs saves money on benefits but the economy does not benefit as the people have no money to spend. The government needs to invest in Social Services, Health service and education and raise the tax threshold for the lowest paid

[@africareigns]

I've just I had a long telephone PIP assessment. I've been off work since 2010. This is due to my MS causing me major physical problems. Prior to 2010, I worked since 1988 when I was 16. I'd love nothing more than to work and earn.

[@GregOrCreg]

The terminally unemployed and ill and/or disabled, like you and I, need a union. We need to band together, like those in professional unions, to fight as one and express our position. Please reply if you think this is a good idea. I'm seeing a careers adviser next week, so I might put the idea to them and see what's needed to build an advocacy group for people like you and I. It would also have the benefit of giving purpose to our lives, whilst we struggle to get into work, or, deal with the possibility that we might never be able to work, and thus hold the government to account whilst they demonise people like you and I for something that's beyond our control.

[@africareigns]

@GregOrCreg I would 100% agree with you. I'm a solicitor by training. What the general public should understand is that ill health and/or disability can happen to anyone at anytime.

[@GregOrCreg]

@@africareigns Funnily enough, I'm a barrister by training (although sometimes I wonder if I should have done the LPC, as it was then, rather than the BVC; then again, it seems that both professions are difficult for many of us to access). I'm going to look into what it takes to start a small charity/advocacy group. Maybe it's a pie-in-the-sky fantasy, but I'd rather do that than beg again and again for the same employers to finally give me a job. If they don't want me; I don't want them. But by taking things into my own hands, I'll have control and some dignity, and maybe then they'll see what they missed out on. People like you deserve better. *At the very least* you deserve dignity and understanding, rather than being implicitly, or indeed explicitly, demonised and misrepresented by the media and political class. Like I said, the employed are supported by unions, but I don't see the same type of advocacy groups/organisations for the unemployed, and even when the unions do, to their credit, support the unemployed, their main interests still tend to be with their employed members. The unemployed are simply not treated as a priority.

[@Boujois23]

When did he become a psychologist. The about of bullying in the work place and people ending up sick … maybe he should walk in the shoes of others before making such a broad brush decision .

[@TheShortStory]

He’s not wrong in identifying a problem but the solution needs to be all on the pull side, not the push side. Force employers to accommodate, run campaigns to tell people that if you want to work, employers will have to help you do so. Make it all based on positive incentives, no threats of removing support