Starting the Turn Around

In this installment, Pat teaches the bay mare the beginning steps of a clean turn around. Please Subscribe to our channel and hit that Like button! And visit us at www.thedisciplinedride.com to find out more about us. Thank you for watching!

[@l.horseman5704]

I want to say their is no book for teaching a horse really how to do all the information that is in your brain Pat. Now look at those experienced hands. Well heck Pat your whole body is a super noledgable tool. Plus you teach from your heart with truth and honesty to that horse. It is poetry in motion. Stay healthy my friend.

[@nancymorter6649]

I am learning so much from watching and rewatching your videos. I so very much enjoy your method of training, the quietness and gentleness of hand is a pleasure to watch and learn from. The change in the bay mare is amazing. Thank you for taking the time you spend making each and every video!

[@emi079]

You are a good teacher, Mr. Pat. Please keep on teaching.

[@elgallorojo]

He did it again!!!!!!! Once again Pat has managed to entertain me darn near as much as he educates me!!!!!!!! My dad always sang Big Joe Turner's "Shake, Rattle and Roll" so my brother and I were always saying stuff like " a one eyed cat peepin in a seafood store!" Then the Stevie Wonder reference! Hahahaha Now I gotta watch the video again and make sure I learn something. Thanks Pat and Deb. This series is great

[@yaksouthsc2096]

This Ol’Boy! Yeah Boy, Cowboy! South Carolina sure nuff paying attention to a real deal vaquero! God bless you and long live cowboys!

[@fsguzman8745]

Wow, what a wealth of knowledge, I have been watching your videos for a while now and keep understanding something new everytime. Thanks!

[@kengamble8595]

Well heck yeah I'm hanging around, it's good stuff ! 😊 Thanks for sharing and take care. 👍

[@barbedstar6480]

Another excellent video. Can't beat Pat's show and tell. Learned a better way for the turn around...really smooth for the horse. Thanks.

[@murphyshsu]

Keep these lessons coming. I’ve got a young gelding who is easy, gentle, and fun to ride, but is missing the finer points. I would really like to improve his turn around and I think this video will help me.

[@conniekempf4050]

I have a 13yr old gelding that I can very easily ride onehanded, turning, backing etc, but I don't know how I did it, it just happened over the years. (I bought him as a 2yr old) And now I have this filly, she's 4, and like the gelding, it's just me riding her, and I don't know what or how to get her to the level as the gelding. I'm grateful for videos and trainers like these to help me learn.

[@suzanneyorkville]

I am really enjoying these videos. This is the second time I have watched this one. My mare was 12 when I bought her and she also had been turned out for 5 years. She was given up on as she became a very intimidating horse. She has changed a lot in the 2 years I have had her and now I am putting your wealth of knowledge into practice and it is a real big help. thanks

[@patricialeighty1614]

Thank you so much for the detail of action and reason behind it. Very clear.Patty from Reno NV

[@johnhutcheson8869]

If time travel were possible how exciting it would be to watch Arnold "Chief" Rojas and Pat discuss horses and bits. Well, maybe not as exciting as watching Secretariat run...but still world class stuff :0)

[@medlaketrap]

So fun to see the progression of this horse!!! Leaning a lot watching... keep the videos coming please!!! great work

[@laurakirk4129]

i enjoy watching this mare in training, i really like Mr Pucketts methods VERY MUCH. sure would like to find someone that teaches like Mr Puckett does in north carolina!

[@davidbledsoe5836]

I've watched this a couple of times. Nice explanation Mr. Puckett. You're "slow down, you'll get there faster" approach is good for all of us to watch and learn from!

[@bernhardpflug7924]

I Like that relaxed style of riding and teaching horses!!thank you for the videos!

[@dedeemilnes5920]

I just started riding at the age of 50 I have a wonderful horse I just purchased who is from Montana watching your videos it’s helped me so much thank you

[@chelackie]

Such a wealth of info, have to watch more than once, way more. Look forwards to seeing the mare in the western bit, she looks contented now. Horses tell their story as you go. Which side they were hit on and by what.. also if the person was left handed. Most horses are second hand as they live so long, so, usually, many owners, which I find sad, seeing as how intimate they are with their surroundings. Have one gelding who still raises his head, pops his eyes, and gulps when a truck goes along the track. He'd had 8 owners in nine years. Each one screwed him up more. I won't part with him. Thanks again for all you offer, and your wacky sense of humor.

[@GerryCoxHorsemanship]

Mr Puckett, some friends just had me seek out yoru KZbin videos... You sir are sure a good hand. Thanks fro sharing..

[@richardvroman7184]

We really appreciate Pat's teachings.... Thank you Pat..

[@chelackie]

Pure gold, every time.

[@andrewcastillo9558]

Keep making these videos. I like your opinions on things. Similar to my style but throwing in stuff I never think about, so thanks!

[@colleenclem4667]

Wow the information your putting out here is amazing. You break every step down. That makes it so easy to learn. Thank you for sharing your knowledge to all of us.

[@garymclaren7185]

The bay mare is coming along very nicely also her condition has really improved.

[@susanlewis3068]

I love watching your videos, and I learn something every time, thank you so much!

[@josephbuell963]

This man is full of knowledge. What a hell of a horseman.

[@johnhutcheson8869]

Long ago when a really extraordinary horseman died they would follow the funeral cortage to the internment with a saddled horse and strip the horse from the offside to symbolize / say (make a statement) that there was no one left who was as skilled.

[@davidphelan6861]

You stated that "I do appreciate your hanging in there with this horse because I wanted to show you the progression from the very first time to now." That is one of the reasons I keep tuning in to your channel to watch the progression of an older horse that had improper training and then was essentially left alone for many years to just graze on a pasture. I am impressed by the visible progress she has made with your training methods. Please keep the videos of this horse coming. I would also like to see you riding her outside of the round pen checking on the cattle or just riding her out to gain her trust. Please don't stop showing your work on Chinaco as I am particularly interested in your starting this colt in the hackamore and all that that entails. I have not seen anyone do any in depth lessons in the use of the hackamore, at least anyone with your knowledge and skill. Also keep those roping videos coming, the del viento (spelling?) is my favorite. Thanks from Cape Cod

[@PatnDebPuckett]

We’ll be doing more videos when we check cattle. It’s tricky because we’re working for somebody and that is our focus so it’s not always possible but it will happen. It will just be less formal and of course, no mic. Just a visual lesson! Maybe I should get a drone 😆

[@davidphelan6861]

@@PatnDebPuckett Thank you. I have seen videos of you and Pat doctoring cows or just riding out with a group, those have been silent for the most part and that's just fine. But I don't want to pressure you into a conflict or a problem with anyone that you are working for.

[@mercurymike66]

I really enjoy your videos!

[@l.horseman5704]

Great teaching job! 👍

[@leannehall7852]

Enjoy your videos, great learning experience and entertaining!

[@Hellcreek_Hooligans]

Thank you sir I just discovered your videos and have started trying several of your techniques with colts and more experienced horses and the results are amazing thank you!

[@marshashoemake1246]

I love your videos! I like that you teach common sense style training. Your explanations are very informative. Please keep the videos coming.

[@MrsFrogmother1]

This is fascinating. He is so experienced and has such a great intuition! I am mesmerized.😳

[@nwc872]

The title of the video may be “Starting the Turn Around”, but like all your videos, this is just loaded with so much useful information about a range of topics. It is so interesting to see the difference in the horse’s response to beginning the turnaround using your technique vs. going back to two-hands...remarkable. Thanks for putting so much useful information out there! You mentioned that you don’t lean forward unless laughing at how someone is riding, and, as someone with a tendency to lean forwards a little when I go into posting trot, and sometimes hollow my back and be kind of stiff (an unfortunate habit I am trying very hard to break!) I was wondering if you had any additional tips for rider position, particularly through different gaits. I watched the video “Riding Without Stirrups” you posted several years ago and found it very helpful to see the end goal. I would love to know how to get there! Thank you very much for doing what you do.

[@PatnDebPuckett]

The faster you go, the more you will lean forward. The way to develop a seat is to trot for many miles both posting and in the two point.

[@nwc872]

Thank you very much for your reply to my question, I appreciate it. We are working on putting in the miles, so we will just keep at it!

[@pamelachace3205]

Can't wait to try this exercise tomorrow!

[@ronpurcell9984]

Enjoyed the lesson Pat. Thank You

[@l.horseman5704]

How many you tube videos do you have? I was a stair builder out of wood. I also was a cabinet maker. Both of those I started as a 14 year old. Well done that and did that until I was 40. Then I taught for a technical college for twenty years. What I am getting to is I learn by pictures and math. I love to watch your riding, teaching style. I think I have told you once before I am 76 I still ride and I still school my own horses. I have two hips that were replaced back in the day. Since then I can ride with no pain. But l cannot afford a buck off.

[@PacakeQueen]

Thank you for the videos!

[@jbrittain4605]

This mare is really coming around, I tend to get in a hurry, I'm constantly reminding myself it's faster to go slower.

[@rs-bi8yf]

Thank YOU for the video

[@arthurbeaudelot788]

Thank you so much for your reply!!! =)

[@joelhamilton6720]

Thank you

[@kfolk9304]

"one eyed cat lookin in a fish store"....LMAO. Thanks for that one!!! I hope you don't mind if I use it. (Swift Current, Saskatchewan)

[@silky2204]

Thank you.

[@doriennaraine3004]

Man, i wish someone like you could evaluate my horse in person. He's a good horse overall with groundwork and sacking out very respectful but in the saddle its just a hassle and its not very fun to ride him.

[@chelackie]

One eyed cat.... hah.. Turn around like that makes sense. Thank you.

[@tomwilson6452]

👍🏼

[@wyohorsenut]

👍

[@johnmorris7960]

It's becoming more and more obvious with each new video that Mr. Pat is reading this mare like she were a fine novel. I have learned at least one thing and found entertainment in each video posted. I am curious if the video sessions are taking place at the end of work for the day or at the beginning of a ride? Judging by the light I feel its later in the day but I can't tell if he just started her or has been using her all day? She never looks sweaty so I guess she has just gotten her start for the day. I usually do my little training sessions at the beginning and that's why I am asking. Thank you Mrs. Deb for the video.

[@PatnDebPuckett]

Some days we make the videos after we get home from a circle. Other days we make videos first thing in the morning. And there are many days when we don’t make a video of this mare at all because she’s out working...

[@johnmorris7960]

@@PatnDebPuckett thank you for your reply.

[@epona9166]

"...horse turning around with some kind of dignity" That kind of "real" is why we watch you.

[@davidbledsoe5836]

By the way,... I'm from Challis Idaho :-)

[@TheHopeBurton]

"It's like a one eyed cat in a fish store" XD that was hilarious

[@bdub78dub90]

My only concern would be crossing center with your off rein. Really hard for non trainer to turn a horse around with one hand. Good videos.

[@PatnDebPuckett]

Crossing the center line happens whenever you ride one handed. It happens only to small extent in order to shift the weight to the hindquarters and help the horse bend his neck only slightly to facilitate the turn around. The entire crux of this style of horsemanship is that over time the only purpose of the reins is to ask the horse into collection so the horse can tune in to the rider’s body. At that point it’s not the reins that turn the horse but the rider’s leg. And if the rider has been taught to ride this way, it’s second nature and has nothing to do with whether or not you’re a trainer. Thank you for voicing your concerns...

[@nicolevasquez5615]

Currently using a french link snaffle - don't think I am transitioning to a western bit - but wondering if my 4 year old mustang who I have been training since May when he came out of the corrals would benefit from your missing link bit. Thanks for some info and a suggestion.

[@PatnDebPuckett]

Yes, we would recommend our Missing Links Snaffle in place of any broken mouth snaffle bit. If you want to understand how snaffle bits work, place your French Link Snaffle across your hand and have someone pull on the rings about as hard as you pull on your horse’s mouth. Next, find something to simulate the Missing Link Snaffle like a wooden dowel or something similar. Now place it across your palm and have someone pull on the ends. What you will experience is a pinch along the sides of your hand with your bit and a bit of pressure across your palm with the solid piece. Horses quickly learn to avoid pain on the bars of their mouth (represented by the sides of your hand) by balling up their tongues and bracing their jaws. Thank you for the question…

[@louwesjeroen]

Mr Puckett, is it possible to learn a horse a western bit while riding. And still be able to work with a standard workcollar and bit when having it in front of a cart. Its a frisian not a standard quarter horse. Thank you for your great stories and lessons. Greetings from Holland

[@PatnDebPuckett]

The biggest challenge is that with driving, there is always contact in the lines. With riding, we don’t want the horse to push against the bit. So one possibility is to teach the horse to drive off of voice commands. But we don’t use voice commands when we ride because we want the horse to tune in to what our body is telling him to do.

[@foiran]

Hi. Can you tell us what you mean by over exposed? I figure it means the horse had had too much pressure put on to do whatever was asked of it, but I'm not sure. Thanks.

[@PatnDebPuckett]

Over exposed means too much too soon.

[@foiran]

@@PatnDebPuckett OK got it thanks for that. And the videos are great too thanks for putting them up.

[@judithsmith6376]

How do you get withers on a horse? Thank you so much for your videos!

[@PatnDebPuckett]

Ride em. And don’t keep them too fat.

Slow and correct

[@georgebarp7091]

What kind of saddles do you ride?

[@PatnDebPuckett]

It’s a slick fork saddle also known as a wade.

[@aaroncanady7380]

How do I message Mr. Puckett privately about some training issues I’m having?

[@bollinj]

When you say "Dark Side" I'm guessing you mean the peanut rollers?

[@dianereiser6417]

I was told that leverage bits are more severe, why is that?

[@jeanfish7]

Heavy hands. A well trained horse only needs a lift of the reins and leg signals.

[@PatnDebPuckett]

They are able to exert more pressure with less force on the rider’s part. But that force is spread over a larger area than, say, a twisted wire snaffle which is arguably the most severe bit out there. Do this experiment...put a regular snaffle bit across your hand and have someone pull hard in the rings. Ow! Right? It causes pain on the sides of your hand. Now put your hand between a leverage bit and the curb strap and have someone pull on it. It’s very different pressure. But I think you’ll find that the snaffle bit is capable of causing more pain. If you add the sawing action that many so called trainers like to do, you can quickly see how so much damage is done to horses’ tongues in this supposedly mild bit. Now imagine the twisted wire snaffle which people see as perfectly acceptable. It’s a matter of perception on the part of the human. And it goes without saying that the thing that makes any bit either severe or mild is what is at the end of your arms.

[@barbarawitt9989]

I've never seen a horse branded on the gaskin. Why is this location chosen?

[@PatnDebPuckett]

In Baja, the horse’s first brand is always on the left gaskin.

[@truthseeker5890]

When I see people spinning a horse, I shake my head and walk away. Idiots! I’m 54 years old and I started working with horses and cattle before I was 10… I’d say at/or before 5 years old. Not once have I had to spin and spin and spin a horse while sorting cattle… not once! Similarly, not once have I been racing across a pasture or cattle corral, at 30+ miles per hour, and then jerked on the reins, skidding the horse to a stop on his/her ass, dust flying, dirt flying, bending the legs, bending the pasterns, cracking hooves, fracturing cannon bones, stretching/tearing muscles… not once. Idiots… again!! And it’s all for show; run a horse to death, for show; ruin a horse for show. Just within the last three days, I inquired about a mare with some very nice bloodlines. The horse is nine years old. That horse has seen near-zero actual cattle work but a lot of “competition.” Competition, competition, competition… for what? All for show!! That horse, being nine years old, looks like she is thirty years old... big stretched out muscles, hunched up like she needs a walker, tired/stressed out eyes, worn hide, and more!! All for show!! Some of the best Quarter Horse cow blood in the breed and she’s essentially ruined at nine years old!! The life of that horse is no mystery to me; somebody knew that she has fabulous blood and they ran her and ran her and ran her… just to see how much she could take. And now, of course, she’s for sale, after they’ve ruined her. Thank you for what you do sir. You’re darn good at what you do. I'm a new subscriber.

[@chrisunderwood2524]

You are doing this the old way ..ditch the mouth pain of a bit. Ditch the spurs, use a rope halter, learn and do and teach body language ..the horse already knows how to lead on a halter...sorry your old cowboy ways of training are a thing of the past... more people are using the new training..soft hands, no yanking..a much calmer horse...this really is not that new...rugged Lark was jumping with out no bridle, doing spinning roll backs no bits, no spurs way back in the nineties. ..it can be done..

[@AVToth]

I think you may be missing the point. This isn't city riding. There has been lately a sort of fusion in riding styles. Both are great, but they serve different purposes so it becomes kinda like wearing a ball gown or black tie and tails to be the best ditch digger around. Formal wear makes you feel beautiful and a ditch dug correctly maybe hard dirty work but they sure make life easier. They are just different and difficult to do both or combine. This style of riding, when done correctly, there is no pain for anyone. If you are working cattle you have to be able to communicate despite multiple, simultaneous distractions like the noise of the other cattle, which can be so loud you hear, feel and almost see it. High wind or rain, it's hard for human or horse to concentrate. In high wind the horse remembers it could be prey and they get nervous. The motion of other horses, cattle, people equipment. There is a job that must be done quickly and efficiently. What he said about the end result is being able to turn, start, stop your horse with just your body is communication. The bit, when used correctly, is a tap on the shoulder, or speaking louder, same with spurs. My only problem with spurs is they seem to have become merely an accessory, part of the costume. When you hear someone say "you have to earn your spurs" it used to be an actual thing. They have never been to inflict pain. I know I'm from a different time, but since riding has become an "industry", horses have suffered from, not all maybe, riders who want to compete in something and look pretty doing it. Riding, to this old lady from Texas, is for work, transport or relaxation. There are basic things you must learn and learn them to your core. After that, a good, fun ride is one where you stay on top and horse enjoys it enough it that it's good behavior is to make sure this happens again. The spinning, sliding stops etc are just part of a money making deal. When I was growing up, if I had done any of that without there being a panther involved my father would've "shown" me the error of my ways.