Starting up the Ram Pump 2019

[@LandtoHouse]

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[@m721ac]

Hey seth.if i use two ram pumps to work on one single delivery line, would that increase pressure/speed up volume fill going up the tank?

[@philkennedy2665]

A Saw

[@edide1627]

@Land to House Does the length of the drive pipe matter and if it does how long should it be, nim/max?

[@domenicozagari2443]

The bigger the delivery pipe the less pressure needed to pump. Its gravity that pushes down. Plant some persimmon trees.

[@Aaronsutube1]

Hello! I’m a Mechanical Engineer in centrifugal pump design field. Love your video, and appreciate your understanding of hydraulics! I agree that fluid static pressure is a difficult and not-intuitive concept for many people - took me a few years to get a “feel” for it. But videos like yours are helping the world understand the magic of fluids! Thanks for the great content, I’ll definitely subscribe.

[@maodonimega]

Seth...your patience is infinite...responding to all the comments and queries so graciously. Thank you!

[@LandtoHouse]

To be honest... Its a little overwhelming. I had around 3000 comments in a week. and 90 email. I am trying to get to the email first.

[@iamcondescending]

Quick tip: if you install a 2" pipe with an air tight cap vertically into the line (don't let it fill with water) where you're having water hammer problems you will no longer have water hammer problems. It's called an accumulator, nuclear power plants use them to stop lines full of heavy water from bursting when they take the reactor off power.

[@RogueOntheRoad]

I think there is another factor to consider once the water reaches the tanks. The weight of the water itself. Add to the weight of atmospheric pressure. If you put the input at the top of the tanks you can subtract the weight of the water in the tanks.

[@GlennLittleford]

I built a similar ram pump a few years ago. The creek had a drop of 1.5m for the drive pipe, the ram would pump water up about 10m to a tank, 300m away. It would pump 500 litres a day, more than I could use. Building and tuning ram pumps is a lot of fun.

[@LandtoHouse]

Seems like a good setup. I would have to agree building and playing with ram pumps is a pretty great Hobby

[@MachtPlays]

I wonder if a ram pump would be useful in a diy hydro electric generator.. could possibly use the ram pump to speed the water up before it hits the water wheel

[@1943L]

Wouldn’t a short length of pipe down into the feed bucket stop air bubbles being entrained at that point?

[@LandtoHouse]

Yes you are absolutely right! I will be adding that in the 2020 startup video.

[@dollarznc]

Build a cheap vent...

[@LandtoHouse]

What type of vent?

[@patrickhoffmann8893]

Great video, very instructive and informative! Regarding the pressure the pump has to work against: It is not the atmospheric pressure (this is nearly the same down at the pump like on top at the barrels), but it is the hydrostatic pressure. For every PSI the pump generates you can pump the water up roughly 2.2 feet. The reason why the size of the delivery pipe does not matter (if 1/2" or 3/4" or even a 2' diameter barrel) is, that the weight force F might increase with increasing diameter of the barrel. But pressure is force divided by area (p = F / A), and hence will stay the same no matter how large the diameter of the barrel is. For instance, a barrel with two times the footprint will have two times the weight, if it is filled to the same height, but the doubled weight force spreads on a doubled footprint area. So the pressure p = F / A is the same. Voila!

[@edide1627]

The delivery pipe and the tank are essentially one and the same. For me, it's intuitive and I'm glad you put it on a formula to prove it mathematically.

[@roberthodge2771]

A large ground sat tank will also work very well.

[@Temuginful]

This old technology was able to water the desert in some places on earth. Congratulations to your passion of creativity. Definitely I will buy your products. Thank you!

[@divinee.155]

maybe your dessert but we use manual hand driven pumps which is still used in the Caribbean today. we pump to a air tank on the roof and water fall as gravity or we have a hand driven pump inside the home with a pressure tank and once the tank is filled your ok for the day

[@ernielara1553]

Build your makeshift (water source)dam deeper to let silt to settle at the bottom of the dam. Thus avoiding silt getting into the pipe and pump. Your white water tank will grow algae and will clog up your pipes. You should use opaque tanks.

[@tigerchills2079]

9:44 to 9:54 Giving the flow rate on a per minute time scale ("gal/min") neglects the pump frequency. At 7:42 you see the pump at about 1 Hz. At that point a flow rate of 4 gal/min suddenly becomes 1 cups per second (or 250 ml/s). I assume that there is a smoothening of that oscillation down the line, but near the pump, friction does matter, right?

[@SkyGizmmo]

Seth thanx 4 sharing your system. I understand you pressure and pipe size based on atmosphere. Though the purpose of storing water in a raised tank, is just that, storage, as well as head pressure. Please entertain putting a check valve to capture and prevent your potential of open system draining of all the beautifully captured water in tanks up the hill.

[@harrymu148]

Hey I think installing a hammer arrester in line with the output pipe could help with that hammer effect. I only used them to deal with the obnoxious knocking sound that my pipes make when the washer is running

[@LandtoHouse]

I wonder if that would reduce the effectiveness any?

[@mason.mp4107]

another idea for removing bubbles is to add a small pipe section to make the water go straight into water instead of hitting water like your diving

[@LandtoHouse]

Yes absolutely! I have added that in the 2020 ram pump start video.

[@RupertBruce]

@5:30 - dangle a baffle between input and output pipes or just a sheet of stiff plastic the width of a 5 gallon bucket jammed between the two from the top, not all the way down.

[@mr.mustache4743]

You should install a weir before your intake box, this will allow for a silt collection system ahead of your intake manifold, you should support your intake manifold in a pool of water so it doesn't sit on the bottom this will allow for no debris to be trapped, and to reduce silt collection in your main pool, basically, a two weir setup with a prior weir to allow for silt collection and removal. this becomes significantly more important if you were running a Pelton wheel hydroelectric system as silt destroys the wheel quickly and a clean intake area is required. I don't know if you have an area further upstream where you could collect head pressure at the bottom but it's an amazing and sustainable way to generate electricity. You could at the end of the system divert head pressure to a ram pump to then take the excess water up to your collection tanks for garden use, I also recommend a cistern if you are going to be using this all winter long and ground freezing is a factor. www.nooutage.com/lv1400.htm

[@vizcaya-D818]

I plan to increase size of delivery pipe..I suppose it would increase the pressure....thank you.

[@luisinurriaga6523]

Hi. Cant do a dam but can make a rock wall before ur filter. Since u already have some screen in ur pipes can put some rock dam before then some screen on the upright of that wall so the sand or leaves don't get in ur filter and will last longer don't have to clean it that often.

[@crazymaths23]

Your videos are so educative. I shall be sending an email shortly relating to a problem i am facing in the context of water flow in pipelines.

[@MrCoyotebob]

Ram pumps amaze me. How did someone over 200 years ago figure that out???? Great video!

[@LandtoHouse]

There were some very smart people back them. . . Thanks for watching!

[@LandtoHouse]

290,000 years before the earth existed 😃

[@jcperine]

why not put gravel in the area of the intake and a little upstream to lesson the silt buildup on the intake pipe?

[@LandtoHouse]

This mountain creek is packed with silt. Last week the flow rate went from 50gpm to well over 400gpm after a rain. The gravel would be no more.

[@Xanthopteryx]

@@LandtoHouse You can build another dam a bit above the one where the intake is. That way it will settle most of it there.

[@jcperine]

@@LandtoHouse Use angular, crushed rock that will lock in place

[@MrOhgoodgolly]

Directions on cement cab say to turn joint 1/4 turn to properly weld the joint.

[@Travis7109]

If you use gate valves instead of ball valves for stopping water flow then you are much less likely to have damage caused by water hammering.

[@autumnwindassociates7783]

99.4% of the time you'll never get a gate valve to completely close. Working with threaded steel pipe = no big deal. But sweating copper or gluing PVC with a leaky gate valve upstream is worse punishment than listening to the White House news feed.

[@greenmaniacs6009]

Would the water rise faster if you allow a spot for the air pressure to exit, example: water is going up the pipes and if you extended the height of the pipes and put holes at the top of each extended part, would it fill faster?

[@MrDavesbox1]

i wonder if you could increase the pump size and line size to increase capacity?

[@moviezaftermidnight6348]

If you put a ram pump on the feed line, you could raise your bucket head pressure drastically by raising bucket in altitude..

[@brodierip]

You should put gold mats in the top section of the flow system so when you check the filter you can check the mats at the same time might get some gold

[@philb5]

I am confused I understand how it works on a creek because the creek drops elevation so naturally is going to build up pressure, but the previous video you used one in a pond is the pond spring-fed . I thought it had to be flowing water

[@LandtoHouse]

Was it the stony ridge farmer video? The pond is fed by a Creek coming down the mountain. The creek then goes out if the pond. The ram pump simply pulls water from the pond then goes down hill.

[@philb5]

@@LandtoHouse thanks I will be purchasing the 1 1/4 one soon

[@LandtoHouse]

@@philb5 Happy to help. If you have more questions please feel free to send an email.

[@JoeMalovich]

You need a silt sucker in your bucket. And a bigger bucket for extra settling and bubble floatation, like a 55gal or smaller barrel. Great video, I'm jealous of your warm weather. Snowed here yesterday.

[@LandtoHouse]

A bigger bucket would also allow for the Drive pipe to attach higher. Possibly something to look into for the future. The weather here has been good. It was 35 degrees last night. Just warm enough to prevent the garden from dying.

[@davidreed9916]

If you remove the fill from below the tanks to an overfill method, there will be no hammer effect, that's a lot of pressure on those off fittings.

[@TH-wr1dv]

it looks that your pump close its valve too soon. Maybe small spring or more veight to valve and you get harder ram and higher pressure.

[@LandtoHouse]

The new Stainless Steel valves are heavier and do close slower.

[@raylars752]

Ru Finnish

[@LandtoHouse]

Not sure what you mean?

[@raylars752]

@@LandtoHouse I meant that for Tapio haapala

[@raylars752]

@@LandtoHouse ... cool video , I do onsite septic and these projects are intriguing

[@user-pk1pc8to3w]

does the water HAVE to come in in the downside of the storage tank .. ? Iow you can not have a pipe just going in an opening on top of the storage tank .. ?

[@stoddern]

You're right about atmospheric pressure but as the system fills the water weight increases which will effect system performance.

[@LandtoHouse]

Turns out water weight is vertical not by horizontal cross section. so the tanks will fill faster from the bottom because the lift is lower as the tanks fill vs having to go from the top the whole time.

[@stoddern]

@@LandtoHouse even though as the tank fills there is more and more water on top of the whole system? It's the same as any body of water, the deeper you go the greater the pressure because water has mass thus weight, this is why subs implode at depth and divers get the bends, water pressure not atmospheric pressure. So the more water above the inlet at the bottom should effect it's flow. It might be that the system is small enough for it to be negligible but I guarantee that there is more water pressure/weight at the bottom of the tank vs. the top. As long as the system can build more pressure than atmosphere 1 bar it will always overcome atmosphere but it needs greater than 1 bar of pressure to over come gravity which makes the water weight/pressure greater then farther you go back to the lowest point/the pump. It's pretty basic physics

[@stoddern]

as an after thought if you reverse the half inch and the 3/4" lines putting the larger at the bottom the pump will create better pressure as the line reduces in distance negating any gravity due to hydrodynamics

[@MrSponar]

Can you make one test. Put ram pum into open container and drawn container into well. Container is upsidedown leaving air inside. Head will be drawn into rampump from surface of well. I wonder what will heppened if is possible to lift well water.

[@LandtoHouse]

The problem with this is that the waste water will quickly fill the container and the pump will stop. Also having the means to keep that container sunk is an issue.

[@malcolm8564]

Does the drive pipe need to be long? Why not put the supply bucket separator just before the ram pump?

[@kellyherbeck3618]

You need a vertical pipe coming off of that water pipe with a cap on top to provide an air buffer to prevent water hammer on your plumbing

[@ChickenPermissionOG]

shouldn't you have two one way swing valves?

[@zwaian2626]

you could make your system into a trompe plus ram pump and get compressed air as well!

[@hightechredneck8587]

@14:30 what you are explaining is head height pressure. Basically due to the configuration of the pump and its supply it can lift water so many feet vertically. volume has no impact due to hydrodynamics the only value that matters is vertical height. 100ft is 100ft it doesn't matter if its 2 gallons or 150000 gallons.

[@LandtoHouse]

For delivery output? Very true. The limiting factor is the vertical lift. The volume is not an issue. Like filling the storage tank from the bottom. The water lifts to the top just fine.

[@hightechredneck8587]

@@LandtoHouse Precisely! Exact same way a water tower works. Well if you use an electric pump instead of Ram.. but Ram pumps are far cooler.

[@jackford8085]

Add rinsed lava rock to ur bucket. It will keep “bubbles” out and help with oxygenation and sediment removal. Used it with a fish pond works great.

[@rayhughes8240]

That is interesting Jack. Will it also help with algae?

[@stankohl4262]

Can you come out of your reserve tanks and go back down the hill to another ram pump to gain more elevation on what you are pushing the water? We have a large creek that doesn't have a lot of lift, it is 50 or so feet wide so damming it isn't an option. My thought would be to use larger pipe for the ram pump, like maybe 6" so you would be pushing more volume up the 7 to 1 rise. Since I need to go about 800 to 1000 feet with about 80' of rise, I'm thinking xi could create more drop to a second pump to gain enough to do the total rise to where our animals are at.

[@booppoob3294]

Add small pressure tank to you secondary piping to absorb hammering...

[@florinsx]

Wouldn't it be better to have the water flowing into the tanks from the top? I was thinking at the same level as your overflow.

[@dm4xpan]

is it possible to use more than one ram pump with one pipe to the distribution area or tank?

[@chrislnflorida5192]

Great video, makes sence until u get to the 2" pipe in the tanks and it pops up on the screen saying 2'. To me the looks of your piping to your storage tanks 1.5", probably the 2" u talking about? Also, wouldn't u think u could use 1 more valve going to #1 tank, or redesign to where u could shut of the tanks without having to drain them to fix your leak? And, your drive line to your garden to the valve,, your showing ALL that pressure, isn't that the water in the line and actually u need to get that pressure from your tanks?

[@dwcarrigan88]

Can you pull water from a pond to a higher elevation using a ram pump? How would you create head pressure?

[@texashermit1946]

Place a foundation a large -maddium stone down (not cemented), then place the intake on top of the stone foundation, that will allow silt/sedemen to flow past or sink below intake.

[@LandtoHouse]

Good point. I also have a box filter design that I want to try.

[@richardjellis9186]

At 11.35... one GREAT way of finding out whether water has gotten that far up a pipe, is to drill I hope in it, and see if water comes out.! Works EVERY time.😂😂😂😘

[@vengeancetechnologies1792]

Tuning in and out but when I'm paying attention it seems to line up with things ive learned in past. The whole atmos pressure thing is how water towers work. They insert energy to pump it up to the top of the tower and then let atmospheric pressure and or gravity draw from the reservoir. Which is also why high-rise buildings tend to need their own water tanks on the upper floors

[@shaniaa9287]

I wonder if Flex seal would work on little drips so you don't need to take things apart🤔 just a thought 😃

[@logangraham2956]

i would imaging that the size of the pipe does not matter as much as the height of the pipe. theoretically at least it would be less atmospheric pressure if you go up because there simply is less atmosphere pushing down on the water.

[@homesteadtalk7280]

I have a thought... not sure it's not been asked before. Is there a way to circulate the water down from the supply and then use the pump to carry it back to the supply? If so,, next step would be to use a generator to create electricity from water flow. Is it possible ? I see it's not an original thought after reading thru comments. - HT -

[@OurTreasuredHome]

Hello, okay this is way so cool and so exciting. How ingenious, putting old school ways into a new school ways of watering and gathering water for your property. I think I said it before on here, sometimes the old ways still work. My grand mother use to tell me if is not broke don't fix it, how true that is. Thank you for sharing, God bless, stay safe and have a wonderful day.

[@LandtoHouse]

Oh yes! Many of the old ways are better. It might be easy to hook up a garden hose to the well but then you pay the electricity bill and have to change the filter more often. It's funny though. I got the tanks full and it rained over an inch the next two days.

[@OurTreasuredHome]

@@LandtoHouse You are so right, I remember my dad telling us don't let that water run through the hose. He never explained to us that they had to pay for the water. I always thought the water was free lol. Oh the mind of a child. I think I was about 12 or so when I was told that they paid for water. Yeah not sheltered life but not one taught about bills and stuff. Fortunately God gave me the wisdom to know about life and bills 😊 Yes we got alot of rain also but further north of us had a F2 tornado, so I am glad that we did not get that. Again thank you for showing how this works. 👍😊

[@LandtoHouse]

Teaching about bills and money doesn't seem to be a priority in a lot of parents. My parents did not bother teaching me that. I hope that I can teach my kids the importance of limited debt and savings. I heard there were plenty of storms. Lots of wind here but no tornado.

[@OurTreasuredHome]

@@LandtoHouse That is sad. I think that our parents ( who were raised in the 40's, 50's and 60's) were not taught about bills because they were supposed to learn that in school. Unfortunately I do not think schools ever taught anyone about bills. I do remember 2nd or 3rd grade learning about money and writing checks in math class and that was about it nothing about bills and life. Learning about working to pay bills and living debt free is one thing that I taught my son and him and my daughter in law do very well with their budget. 😊😁👍🍄😄

[@LandtoHouse]

I wonder if the school system is trying to make people live in debt..... anyway it's one of those things that parents need to cover in "homeschooling"

[@tonywedding5987]

Thanks for the operating information in addition to the build.

[@jameswilkinson4411]

How are ram pumps with their elaborate plumbing system any better than a simple electric pump.

[@LandtoHouse]

I have been running this pump for 6 months at a time. No fuel or electricity. Imagine the cost to do that with an electric pump.

[@emailfilters]

5:30 - What would be the challenge if you extended the supply line to stub slightly below the water level in the bucket?

[@LandtoHouse]

That would be just fine. I actually installed a pipe on the end of that poly pipe to do that very thing.

[@MrBobby1023d]

Merry merry fathers fathers to

[@drobgyn5615]

Doesn't the ram pump size also depend on how much water pressure and downhill momentum you can gain from the ram pump? If I did this in a large River, with a 20ft slope, the pressure I could get through a multiple inch pipe would be crazy, right?

[@LandtoHouse]

The pressure that is built inside the ram pump is based on the input head pressure. From my tests I have found that each ram pump can pump to the same height based on the same input head pressure. The difference is the amount of water that the pump needs to operate as well as the amount of water pumped up. 20 feet of head pressure can lift to 140 feet. This is getting close to the max lift of this style ram pump.

[@drobgyn5615]

@@LandtoHouse Ah I see, thank you for the information!

[@montanaboy3777]

Ok...see this a couple times now and I am familiar with ram pumps...(though never operated or built one). I would like to know..or maybe you can redo the video too include the information - from point of entry in the creek (gravity feeding) too the ram pump...about how must vertical drop do you have there?? then from the ram pump too your storage tanks, again how much vertical climb is there?? I am only interested in actual vert elevation..(not linear feet) . How much of a drop from the bottom of the storage tanks to your garden and/or spicket where you draw from in vertical feet?? This would tell me how much PSI you have going in & delivery coming out and down to your needs. I know that while doing water sources here , we call it as "Every 27 3/4" (Almost 28") of vertical water column - you will have 1 P.S.I. of delivery. Thank you

[@ramachandramanjunathhegde9662]

Sir Kindly advice as to which is more efficient P VC ram pumpo . Metal ram pump

[@matthewk2010]

If you used a larger tank on the ram pump for example a blue barrel would you get higher outlet pressure ?

[@LandtoHouse]

For the pressure tank? The tank only smoothes out the hammer. It does not necessarily increase the output pressure.

[@kaolanangorganikongmagsasa3571]

What is the use of the rubber tube that you inflated inside the ram pump? Thanks. Im Rolando from the Philippines.

[@driverfilmsshortwavechannel]

No idea why this appeared in my recommended, but I watched till the end and found it interesting!

[@LandtoHouse]

Awesome! Thank you for watching! The ram pump is fun!

[@denverthomason3402]

That’s why it was recommended 😂 they knew you’d like it

[@LandtoHouse]

Haha so true.

[@icicicles]

The bubbles are picked up as the water leaves the supply line and enters the filter bucket. Just add a little longer pipe end to the supply line to lower into the water of the filter bucket. No more air.

[@dinosaurcomplaints2359]

The principle behind your pump has been around for a couple hundred years at least. What would be helpful to know, is what is the type of valve you have installed at the inlet to the vertical cylinder? Commonly available at hardware store? Are you in Tennessee?

[@Da103Man]

Question,,,,I want to fill the huge pond next to my house. There is not enough run off to fill it. I do have a ravine next to the other side of my house going way north with a very large hill on the other side from the house. Could i go way down the ravine to the north and put a small dam then put a pickup there and run pcv down the ravine quit a ways, add a ram pump then pump the runoff from the hill back up to the pond next to the house?

[@Waterpoweredtechnologies]

Potentially yes, depending on heights etc.

[@richardjellis9186]

Simply turn the 90° angle bend to the side, so the water hits the side of the bucket, and smoothes out the flow. This allows the bubbles to simply ride the current around the tub. Rather than them being forced down into the deeper water Also.. I'm amazed that you've not thought of... a 3"X3" cut in the top of the bucket, would allow you to sit the supply pipe into it, and allow you to put the lid on properly. That would look a lot neater.

[@mrsamzero1]

Explain winterizing the system.

[@herpnderpn2484]

Keep the water flowing. It will not freeze until way below freezing point.

[@stewbuntu]

If you have flat land can you run water straight into a tree and then syphon it down into a nearby hole below the water intake then back up to a pump? Would you get pressure coming down or does it equal out from the water being pulled up?

[@LandtoHouse]

As long as you have input head pressure you can run the delivery into a tree.

[@stewbuntu]

@@LandtoHouse I was thinking siphon out of a pond by using the tree and then have the water travel from there.

[@LandtoHouse]

@@stewbuntu like have a pipe intake in the water and then toss it over a tree limb? That would not hold a siphon. Siphon has to have the water go lower than the source to work.

[@stewbuntu]

@@LandtoHouse right so dig a hole a few ft deeper than the pond/ intake to get a siphon going.

[@LandtoHouse]

The hole dug will fill with water quickly with ram pump.

[@55tallest]

I have a question. Can you use on a house with a 450 gallon tank?

[@00139arwin]

5:35 i suggest you put a mesh or a piece of cloths on the pipe so bubbles won't form. can be changed from time to time.

[@waylonhartwell]

I use a thing that I called a sand filter on the end of our intake line at the cottage for the jet pump and I just skirt on the end of the check valve and toss it in the lake and it sucks up the water with no problems I wonder if something like that would work well in your scenario I've heard of guys using Sand Point well heads I think that might work quite well and shouldn't let sediment in

[@LandtoHouse]

I'll have to look into those. It's not too bad to go through twice a year and clean out the sediment.

[@lifeisgood070]

Why don't you feed the water tower from the top of the barrels??

[@LandtoHouse]

That works just fine. . . But to be honest.. it fills faster and I like sharing that it is possible to fill from the bottom.

[@blesseddwellings9829]

Could I syphon from a pond and get the same effect?

[@butopiatoo]

Could you run this off a tall storage tank?

[@douglasgabriel1807]

Am thinking about using 1 1/4 pump with a 2 inch intake and a 1/2 inch outer .am also looking at using a 4 inch press tank what are your recommendations

[@serdarcam99]

nice video and nice pump setup but u take filling the tanks so wrong its same pressure in all the tank correct but u filling the tank from bottom so water pressure builds up in time and cripples ram pumps output

[@macwhite1234]

Is there a way to pull water from a lake?

[@petec6690]

Seen a lot of ram pumps but when will someone address filtering?

[@LandtoHouse]

Haha funny you ask! I have a video scheduled for tomorrow morning talking about filtration. Not for drinking. That might be later.

[@YuureiInu]

The supply line could be connected to the bottom of the bucket, couldn't it?

[@LandtoHouse]

Yes it sure can. I have added a longer pipe that lowers it down into the bucket.

[@YuureiInu]

@@LandtoHouse I thought you can have air trapped in the top part of the bend before the bucket.

[@DerekGraham777]

Looks cool. Now on your wooden supports on the legs would it be worth putting some pine pitch just to help water proof the legs only because it's constantly wet. I would say a coating of tar but pine pitch would be safer

[@LandtoHouse]

The old flume needs some work. I hope to install a water wheel or tiny micro hydro turbine someday. The wood is treated but you are right it's always wet.

[@engineerbuyog2027]

Hi there. I am planning to build my own ram pump. The problem is that I don't fully understand its basics. For example, how long should the drive pipe as to its delivery elevation? The size of drive pipe as to the size of the delivery pipe. The size of the pressure tank as to the given drive pipe and delivery pipe for a certain level of elevation. I would love to from an expert of you. Your inputs will be greatly appreciated. More power!

[@LandtoHouse]

It's good idea to keep the drive pipe between 25 ft and 100 feet long. The size of the drive pipe needs to match the waste valve size of the pump. The delivery pipe can be any size you want as long as it does not restrict by friction. The lift height depends on the input head pressure. Typically you can expect a 1 to 7 ratio head pressure to lift.

[@engineerbuyog2027]

@@LandtoHouse thank you for your quick response. Your inputs will be of great use to me. By the way, I'm from the Philippines. Be starting my project after COVID-19 is gone. Again, thank you very much! #StaySafeAtHome

[@buellb0y]

As far as filling the tanks from the bottom, you’re correct concerning atmospheric pressure, but you’re neglecting water weight. Think scuba diving. The deeper you dive, the greater the pressure, due to the volume of water above you.

[@LandtoHouse]

I actually have a video showing how filling from the bottom is faster than the top. Even though the weight of the water is there it is variable as the tank fills. When you fill from the top the water weight is high from the start.

[@Toobula]

No. to take the water to the top requires the same energy as "pushing" it into the bottom. Either way you are lifting the same amount of water the same height.

[@LandtoHouse]

@@Toobula yes that is true BUT there is not as much water in the tank when you first start filling. So you are actually going less high at the start. Let me link a video that shows this.

[@LandtoHouse]

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[@danagoglia1406]

Wonderful video. What do you need to do in the winter when its 15 degrees? Do things have to be disconnected? Thanks

[@MultiKlompen]

I dont understand why are you filling the tanks from the buttom, not from the top?

[@LandtoHouse]

I thought it would be nice to have the valves all in one place. No real reason though.

[@baris222]

@@LandtoHouse does filling from the bottom not raise the back pressure? Or does it not matter?

[@LandtoHouse]

It actually does not matter. Raising the water from the bottom has the same atmospheric pressure resistance as if taking the delivery pipe up the same height as the tanks and going into the top

[@johnc5915]

No, sir. The pressure are not same. We have to consider the pressure exerted by the water in the tank due to the Weight of the water. And that pressure is greater than the atmospheric pressure. It would take much shorter time to fill the tank if the delivery line is on the top of the tank, and not in the bottom.

[@LandtoHouse]

Sounds like a great test!!! I will do that.

[@SynnUnsworth]

so glad i've found your videos dude, we're currently looking into installing a Ram pump to feed water from a stream at our bottom field and got told it was unlikely to work, but looking at your setup I think it's very possible we could make it work and eventually get water all over our land... will be following you're stuff to see if i can find some more tips that could help us out... pumps gotta be worth a shot before they talk anyone into a borehole

[@LandtoHouse]

The ram pump is amazing. Do you have any numbers on your setup? The amount of head pressure in your creek? And how high you're looking to lift water?

[@SynnUnsworth]

@@LandtoHouse i'm not 100% sure but at a guess i think we are looking at around 5-6ft if we use about 50m to drive the pump.... not sure exactly the elevation either to be honest, but as i said looking at where your pump is to where your tank is i'd say we are probably matching maybe a bit less. Luckily we don't need constant water flow (hopefully that makes sense) it's more to save having to lug buckets of water from the house to the fields for the sheep (girlfriend has a messed up elbow so lifting buckets over a 2acre field isn't great). I think our main issue really is a slight rise in ground height next to the stream, i think its only a few inches though so I'm hoping a little testing with siphoning should do the trick. I know the neighbouring farm use a pump on the same stretch of water too, not sure the details on their pump though, but i know it lifts like a *cough cough* haha

[@LandtoHouse]

Not bad. The distance is no issue. The hight of lift is what limits the pump. At 5 feet of head pressure you can lift water around 35 feet. So if your tank is at 20 to 30 feet you will be good. Now with a 50m drive pipe you might need to install a stand pipe (or bucket) to bring the intake closer to the pump.

[@SynnUnsworth]

@@LandtoHouse that's thanks dude, we were actually just looking at the area and both said about maybe having a bucket so it will likely be a shorter, am I right in thinking 15m is around the shortest it should be? I've downloaded your instruction thing on your website so hopefully all the info I need I'll find, thanks for your help though dude it will help big time being able to ferry water over our 5acres without the need for ferrying heavy buckets

[@LandtoHouse]

Yes the bucket is my favorite. The video on my youtube called ram pump narrow way vineyard shows a great full install with bucket.

[@neilkumar5838]

Can this pump work under water like for example in a drain

[@patrickbear7261]

If you put a short piece of pipe on the end of supply line to get the end below the water surface would that stop the air bubbles ?👍👍

[@LandtoHouse]

Yes that's very true. Perhaps I should take a small piece down there.

[@tristan6509]

wait, doesn't that mean that you can make a perpetually running pump that feeds itself? ofc you will lose water but it's still pretty cool.

[@LandtoHouse]

Not perpetually running. Approximately 80% of the water that goes into the pump is lost out the waste valve.

[@PTechMedia]

If you fill one from the top the for rate will increase? That account of water back pressure will slow the flow rate. The pipe assembly at the bottom will still self level both barrels and the existing overflow will work the same still. Input into the left (centre) at the top of the barrel... (Like where the overflow is on the right) ... Just cap the existing input... If you don't like it you've lost an hour of labor and can put it back to how it was

[@LandtoHouse]

I ran another test on that idea to show that filling from the top is slower. The hydrostatic pressure in the barrels is low at the start and increases as they fill. If filling from the top the pressure is high from the start.

[@PTechMedia]

@@LandtoHouse it may be the additional height of the barrels in that case. But there's additional risks of failure with everything in the single pipe assembly as it is. Obviously it's your system though. So ultimately your decision. 👍

[@LandtoHouse]

@@PTechMedia yes very true. If the check valve fails or gets stuck open and the pump stops it will drain back. .... more KZbin content haha

[@w00tklumpWn]

Can't you submerge the supplyline in the bucket to get rid of the bubbles to?

[@LandtoHouse]

Yes for sure! I just have not taken the time to install that part. I should be getting to the new ram pump start up 2020 video soon. And that is one of the things I am going to add.

[@vicentetibubos5329]

What is the elevation from ram pump to to storage tank

[@davemetz7368]

I am confused about "" how much drop in elevation do I need......along with how much distance "" for a pump to work. Hear me out. I have a swimming pool ( not in use anymore, but filled with water ) that I want to add a fountain to in the middle of the pool. There is no longer a pump house with filter, etc., but I still have the drain hose exiting the pool. My yard slopes "" downhill "" from the pool and about 20 to 30 feet away, it has a elevation drop of about 4 feet. Placing my ram pump at this location, will it function ?? Thanking you in advance for your answer.

[@Waterpoweredtechnologies]

Yes but the pool would drain unless there is a constant supply to it?

[@CommentsAllowed]

14:40 Doesn't the pressure calculation need to include from the top of the storage tank all the way down to the pump? (As far as how much pressure is needed to pump up hill all the way to the top of the tank) Also, is that the same no matter if you put the pump hose at the bottom or at the top? The idea is that 4 feet under water in a swimming pool is the same amount of pressure on your body as being 4 feet down in a lake.

[@javila...]

He's fighting gravity thought, not atmospheric pressure. Isn't the issue the weight of the water? Most H²O containment I've ever seen were filled over the top

[@DutchCanPlumb]

beter way to describe the filling of the tanks being possible by the pump is that pressure is lbs / square inch, so the only pressure pushing down is whats exactly above the inlet to the tank not the water beside the inlet

[@LandtoHouse]

Yes the column of water is the same pressure no matter if it's a massive tank or a small pipe.

[@BT3701]

That's a hell of a lot of piping - that stuff is not cheap

[@bansheemania1692]

In Pa it's dirt Cheep. 20ft for 6 Buck's

[@bansheemania1692]

80cents for elbows ,t's etc

[@tonycheek1356]

Does it have to be running water to work? Vrs. A pond?