Why The First Order Needed TIE Fighters Vastly Superior to the Empire's

[@starwarsreadingclub]

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[@lukeskywalkerthe2nd773]

Star Wars Reading Club Your welcome anytime and can't wait to see who wins! :)

[@bryanpseno8676]

Star Wars Reading Club can you do a videoon how long the empires ties where used? not the upgraded ones but tie ins tie defenders ect.

[@theonemanclan3363]

Niggatron Prime he sounds American

[@CGreyL3]

john adams well he is just trying to follow a format, stupid head.

[@CGreyL3]

He is restating the question put forward by the title of the video, answering said question, then explaining why.

[@jchoneandonly]

"so they could have much higher survival rates for pilots than the galactic empire" I could be in space with no suit superglued to a bicycle throwing potatoes at x wings and have a better survival rate than imperial pilots...

[@AAhmou]

That remind me of imperial space troopers (Imperial Stormtroopers with an exosuit and a mini *Proton torpedo* launcher) They do a better job than tie fighters at damaging cruisers.

[@terrencerhodes6403]

jchoneandonly damn lol

[@justicetaylor2695]

You'd have to be of a species that can survive in space like the asteroid worm. Yeah, you'd survive because of being too big to kill at that point.

[@JanPeverell]

I don't dislike the design of the First Order's TIE fighters because they are, after all, merely an upgrade of the Empire's original design. But damn, what I wouldn't give for the Clawcraft of the Chiss Ascendancy and Empire of the Hand in Legends. Those were cool.

[@bronsonperich9430]

HARDOUT!

[@mmGunTankMAPattonIII]

I agree. The TIE models were designed for an empire to use them in huge numbers, but the First Order has a completely different philosophy and resource amount. Why use a starfighter designed for a completely different (in terms of size and methods) faction?

[@JanPeverell]

Open Circle Symbolism, I suspect

[@mojom.9221]

Yes, they could uses TIE Intercepter St least.

[@emperorconstantine1.361]

TIE/D Defender for me, or the TIE/In Interceptor. But I am really liking the First Order Special Forces TIE, the one with a co-pilot.

[@JHuntPhotography0]

They still stand no chance up against plot armor

[@S1lly_Latter_Łovar]

JHuntPhotography true

[@papaofthejohns5882]

Basically the Empire's Ties were shit, because they were designed to overwhelm at cheap costs; but the First Order had a limited supply of pilots and resources, unlike the Empire so could not do this.

[@bryanpseno8676]

Al Stewart basicly better qulity to fight better

[@MultiAllanski]

Bryan Pseno bassicaly Germans in comparison to Russians

[@AAhmou]

Al Stewart Except three models the Tie Advance, The Tie Striker (which was advanced in atmospheric flight) and the non-canon Tie phantom.

[@SchweizerPsychopaten]

Why not Tie Defender? You know that one Tie that could pretty much destroy anything the rebels had?

[@bryanpseno8676]

SchweizerPsychopaten yes a very good idea

[@Cykeys]

I always wondered how the First Order managed to crew their Resurgents seeing as they are much larger than the Empire's Star Destroyers. I would've expected they would've went with much smaller ships to compensate for their lack of people.

[@lordfrostwind3151]

My guess is greater automation along with fewer ships to spread the naval personnel across. While bigger one Resurgent class probably replaced two to four Imperial class star destroyers.

[@side-beeetaloniswolfwolfac4179]

Smaller ships can be more easily destroyed via concentrating fire on each ship one by one, the First Order needed something that can take hits as well as have enough firepower and fighters to make it a priority to take out, allowing the smaller ships to do their job. Hope that makes explanation makes sense!

[@connorgolden4]

Bigger ships, but less of them.

[@MediumRareOpinions]

Automation. Just look at current naval Destroyer classes in service. They are larger than their predecessors, but have similar or even smaller crew compliments due to advancements in technology requiring fewer crew members to do the same ammount of work. I would wager that the larger Resurgent class has more advanced droids and integrated computers to perform much of its basic functions than the Imperial class did.

[@Commander23c]

They all nailed it on the head. Even in the EU the ships were extensively streamlined and Imperial logistics/support greatly improved.

[@brokkoliomg6103]

Everytime he says "resources" you take a shot of alcohol.

[@MultiAllanski]

Brokkoli OMG in a Hospital so no alcohol :(

[@brokkoliomg6103]

Multi Allanski Ohhhhh. Get well then!😬🙂

[@GeneralWildDog]

Lucas pointing to a lightsabre-wielding Mickey Mouse: "By the way, Darth, he is your new father." Darth Vader: "W...what?!"

[@gwyndolin1536]

But why did they ditch the cooler TIE interceptor wing style?

[@rickykravitz374]

You know what your right, I always like the tie interceptor design and I don't know why they didn't use it

[@kylepeek5069]

Well they do have the tie silencer which is kylo rens ship in the last jedi which looks similar to the tie avenger and in episode 9 we do see a first order tie intercepter model that kylo ren uses to chase down rey

[@ohno5371]

Normal tie fighters could be held in racks to save space and carry new whereas the tie interceptors being slightly longer would have much less efficient racks or maybe none at all

[@cujoedaman]

Empire relied at greater numbers to overwhelm and destroy rather than tactical strikes with fewer, but heavier armed craft. Though, I do see a trend throughout all of Star Wars media: Separatist Army = Use big ships and block everything, it's not like anyone could just go AROUND. Throw lots of droids/fighters at the Republic and hope they hit something. Build large weapons with lots of weakness's. Galactic Empire = Use big ships to make them look powerful. Throw lots of fighters at a problem and hope they blow something up. Build large weapons with easily exploited weakness's. First Order = Use big ships. Use smaller ships. Actually train pilots to fight and give smaller ships actual defenses. Build huge weapon with unprotected weakness. These people should just give up already.

[@curseofgladstone4981]

JamesCarbonGonzalez The death stars themselves are a dumb idea. If you can build a planet sized weapon. Why not instead build thousands or even millions of star destroyers. Much more effective.

[@oceanbytez847]

@@curseofgladstone4981 Its a psychological weapon though. Flying in a big fleet isnt as scary as saying "I can delete your whole planet with the press of a button".

[@Crossbone_Vanguard]

I know it's essentially an upgrade to the original but damn if the designers weren't lazy to just rice up the TIE.

[@funguy873]

romeroremor This triggerered me so much. They just wanted to recreate the x wing vs tie fighter and the trench run as fan service. The logical choice would have been to improve on the tie interceptor that was already superior to the standard model

[@ravenebony2267]

"My Tie Fighter isn't different enough." #FirstRepublicProblems

[@AAhmou]

"There's no need for redisign" Grand admiral dead.

[@karlrovey6580]

The TIE interceptor never gained acceptance. It was too expensive to produce. Even in the old expanded universe, the original TIE fighter and the X-Wing remained in use throughout the Galactic Alliance era.

[@brainplay8060]

According to lore they already made up 20% of the overall fleet by the time of RotJ and were slated to replaced regular TIEs completely. Had that happened before RotJ then the Rebel fleet would have been screwed as the TIE interceptor could run rings around the Xwing.

[@GlassGhost74]

if the first order Tie fighters had deflector Shields and how was Poe Dameron able to annihilate about 15 of them in a matter of seconds? You would think that he would have to hit them several times before the deflector Shields went down to be able to destroy them.

[@kbomb1663]

Count Blah cause he's Poe that's why

[@clone3_7]

Steam already VAC banned Poe, but FairFight didn't detect the cheat.

[@funguy873]

Count Blah because the shield strength depends on what the script requires

[@kenkaneki3873]

Count Blah Because lazy writing.

[@terrencerhodes6403]

because the plot requires it

[@Jaeger_Bishop]

Adversity and the will to overcome it breeds greatness.

[@roryrubin593]

What happened to all of the emperial star destroyers and other military equipment after the fall of the empire? and why didn't the New republic use the 'left over' equipment?

[@TekMan05]

I remember reading once some AT-AT's fell into the hands of the New Republic and other splintered Imperial Remnants. But that was Legends so that's a good question.

[@JaesWasTaken]

If I recall correctly, the New Republic basically dissolved almost all military assets from the Galactic Civil War and kept almost no standing army to promote peace and prosperity like back in the day before the Clone Wars. The only standing military were pretty much designated as patrol fleets to deter pirates and some such, not large scale military forces ready for conflict. This is the latest Canon on this subject. It's been a little while since I last looked in to it so some of the details are a little fuzzy.

[@christianarciga8500]

ghost211323 that's honestly the dumbest and stupidest decision a government can make. No army? shit they were asking to get wiped out

[@MultiAllanski]

Christian Arciga so basically Ireland. Irish military not even trained to defuse bombs or anything like that. when a bomb is suspected a sapper usually is called over from the UK

[@christianarciga8500]

Multi Allanski really? what a poor excuse of a military, really.

[@youwayo]

Still bothered as to why they went with the standard TIE design and not the Interceptor

[@obi-wankenobi8406]

they needed things that can't be killed in one shot

[@kvaldez46]

Obi-Wan Kenobi they were equipped with some high ground

[@bobbyanevem]

aaand they still get killed with one shot ..

[@AAhmou]

The X-wing can shoot 4 shots at the same time.

[@sronzyniles6898]

Pretty sad that you've got all these upgrades and the only noticeable visual change is a new paintjob.

[@ComradeDragon1957]

Honestly,I could care less what the TIE fighters and other stuff look like,big deal if they look like the old ones or that they aren't "original" or if they were entirely different,you'd hear "THey don't fit the first order" or some shit. Give me a good plot,rememberable and enjoyable characters,good interaction between the characters,good dialogue,and you'll make me happy...which is what we ought to be focusing on and not the designs...seriously you want another TFA?

[@MiguelAngel-fk1iy]

Hey! Great video as always. I have a couple of questions about the Star Wars universe. 1.-How space blockades work? 2.-How starships can enter the orbit of a planet without getting burned? Or leave it? 3.-How far can a laser weapon shoot? I would like to know if there is any explanation in the Star Wars legends or cannon

[@briansouthparkstudio1357]

here's a question why did the first order use the worst Tie variant as the bases of the design especially as they had other much better designs that they could improve like the interceptor which was meant to replace the normal Tie as it had stronger weapons (as it had 6 blaster to the normal Tie's 2) and a small profile to target from the sides as well as being faster. also if they wanted to have a powerful fighter why did they not just used Tie defenders and build upon that design. they would have still had those designs even if they lossed the Tie advanced(which was replaced by the defender anyway) and phantom (which was uncommon and likely the technology was lossed in the chaos of the fall of the empire) most of the other designs are no longer cannon so i wouldn't talk of them

[@MultiAllanski]

Brian southparkstudio because Disney wanted a cheap fast way to make another movie to make even more money from all of us fans xD

[@isaacd.1207]

Brian southparkstudio Because Fan Service. Fan Service everywhere!

[@d_the_great]

It's sad what Disney did to Star Wars. All the expanded universe from 30 years, and they just decided most of it didn't exist anymore.

[@BERSONE1]

Brian southparkstudio its sad seeing fans not having hope in what lucasfilm are doing with star wars

[@justicetaylor2695]

There might have been a compromise between quality and mass producibility. The flat wing panels are interchangeable from either left or right side, can slide out of a narrow 3D printer and are as tough as shields against small arms fire as seen in the film. The even fit uniformly in racks as well as on the ground. It could have been a "re-invent the wheel" scenario to them. Plus they technically are proto typing with the Tie Silencer.

[@TarsonTalon]

I was expecting "For the conservation of resources...", with a picture of the new Death Star.

[@SuperStreaky]

Hmmmm....not convinced by this First order 'Lack of resources' argument - just look at Starkiller Base - would a resource scarce power REALLY pour in so much of their scant potential into one huge base...??

[@_Muzolf]

Actually, it is a good explanation why they had a lack of resources. Because they squandered it on planet bullshit.

[@tungstenwall474]

Does 'The Empire' still exist as a faction in ep7? Are they now a unique faction outside of Republic space? If so: what are their relations to The New Order, if any? Would they automatically jump on the Snoke hype train? Or would the Moffs be seen as traitors?

[@SSpider41]

Tungsten Wall the imperial remnant still existed at the time. They eventually became the first order.

[@SSpider41]

I missed part of your question. They retreated into uncharted territory to try and rebuild for a few years after the battle of jakku.

[@jacenstarhunter8988]

Tie Fighters are an awesome looking vehicle, their whole ancient Sith background design is definitely menacing and would cause shear terror upon the very sight of them! lol

[@the.amazing.spatterman]

I love the design of these things, they look like our satellites, but jacked up for high speed battle! Also the eyeball look of them give them a creepy 'all seeing eye' kind of look. Not just a thing of visual genius, but also auditive genius! xD *UUUUOOOOGGGHHRRRVVVMMM!!!*

[@chomabcjabeb233]

Why did the Venetors never use all 400 star fighters but rather small squads in battles?

[@yaboytev9181]

CHomab Cjabeb One possible explanation, and I'm totally guessing, is that they probably didn't have 400 pilots. i work with maintenance for the air force and even though you might have 40 planes maybe only 10-20 are being flown that week. And those are the same pilots taking off, landing, resting a bit and then taking off again in another plane. The other other planes are either scheduled for maintenance or being used as spares in case a jet on the schedule breaks unexpectedly. So while they carried 400, maybe on 200-250 where good to go, but the number of pilots was probably only 100

[@lancep2002]

Tevyn J excellent answer. I was in a hornet squadron at NAS Oceana and at least a third of our birds were constantly down for maintenance or testing or random poking around all the damn time. I was all set to type pretty much your exact comment and you saved me the trouble. Keep up the good answers and have a great day

[@michaelreed5416]

Why do that if you don't have to never put all your eggs in the same basket if you deploy them all then your enemy knows what your carrying but if you hold some back it keeps you enemy guessing pulse sending them all out eats up a lot of fuel and other resources

[@chomabcjabeb233]

Michael Reed But if you send 400x3 instead of the usual 20x3, you will match the vulture droid numbers while having better pilots which means you can destroy the enemy easily which would mean that noone could tell the rest of the seperatist aboot the almost insane number of fighters

[@yaboytev9181]

CHomab Cjabeb i checked the info for the Venator it carried a crew of 7,400 so disregard my comment about the pilot numbers. I'm assuming they never used the full number of pilots was because compared to clone pilots, the AI for the separatist fighters weren't the brightest, typically only winning because of sheer overwhelming numbers. But 9 times out of 10 even when they were outnumbered the republic would still win starship to starship combat. As the commentor above posted it would be overkill to send out all 400, and keeping some on standby in the ship would allow the Captain to react quickly to any new enemy forces attempting to engage them.

[@theempiredidnothingwrong3227]

Cause the first order is much smaller then the empire their doctrine is quality over quantity where as the empire was the inverse.

[@lexington476]

Do we know if the First Order also has TIE interceptors and/or bombers?

[@tylermacgregor1320]

Some leaked concept art for The Last Jedi showed off some new first order interceptor and bomber-type craft. Both of which look a lot different from their imperial counterparts, the bomber in particular I absolutely love the look of.

[@dragonweyr44]

what about the tie fighter sf having a rear facing gunner?Also did these TIEs have astromech droids?

[@youwayo]

Reminds me in Legends when Thrawn orders future TIE Interceptors to be equipped with shields because the Empire didn't have the resources to mass produce them anymore

[@BRTigershark]

Trying to find an explanation behind plain laziness and stupidity from Disney's part, refurbishing TIE fighters, X-wings, stormtroopers and even the fucking death star. If anything the first order would be using upgraded Tie Defenders or Tie Avengers at this point and the new republic would be using a completely new fighter similar to the E wing.

[@HonestHappyHater]

BRTigershark It wasn't stupidity nor lazyness. It was planned and perfectly executed attempt to make nostalgia whores and semi-fans ejaculate all over the theatre when they see a starfighter of their childhood

[@JurzGarz]

Can you people stop blaming "Disney"? Creative decisions are made by Lucasfilm, I doubt the big wigs at Disney give a shit about what the starfighters look like.

[@lucasart328]

Honest Happy Hater thats dumb

[@tronVang]

Exaaaaactly!!!! The First Order TIE fighter makes no sense, except to look like the old empire. And, lack a resources so they don't want to lose pilots?!?! Why build another Death Star. The Death Star took to Empire 20 years to build. And at least 4 years to rebuild. You saying the First Order, with way less resources managed to build a 3rd bigger one? Resources, uh huh, sure.

[@kenkaneki3873]

BRTigershark Actually it's Kathleen Kennedy's fault.

[@coreykanin9541]

A great explanation for the First Orders new TIE fighter model. You didn't cover on why they're two seaters though. Maybe all of them r not. Although the TIE Fin and Poe stole had two seats in it with a laser cannon that fired back wards. Clearly that one was a lot larger than your average single man's star fighter.

[@fairytalejediftj7041]

The new, better TIEs are needed to help end DISORDER in the galaxy! [/Hux screaming]

[@nick5661]

how does the first order have so little resources yet built death star .3

[@justicetaylor2695]

Nicholas Castleton because the integrated a weapon into a planet instead of concentrating a moon's mass worth of metal from scratch.

[@tbirum]

Justice Taylor, this does make a lot of sense, However one would think that the engines required to move a planet that size through hyper space (I would assume would need to be MASSIVE) I love the original trilogy, the "prequels" were "Diarrhea Dog Shit" and the first two movies from the Sequel trilogy, was essentially a SJW remake of "Star Wars" and TLJ was a total FU to Star Wars fans.(I am not some hater) I was 4.5 years old when Star Wars came out in the theater (I am 46 years old now) and for my 5th birthday I got to pick out 5 star wars action figures, those were my most prized possessions, the whole house could have burned down, as long as nothing happened to my 5 star wars action figures i would have been OK with that, LOL.but the prequel and sequel trilogies just shit all over the originals.Rogue 1 was passable, I have Solo, but have yet to watch it, since I know I will be disappointed in it.

[@oceanbytez847]

@@justicetaylor2695 this arguably has its own ridiculous resource requirements though. There is no simple answer for star killer base that doesn't include plot resource assistance aka bad guys have infinite resources and troops.

[@VicEntity]

So changing the color scheme is making it better?

[@julienimp8213]

Was that a serious question?

[@zekeiyf2003]

So therefore, the Remnants learned both from the Rebels and the Old Republic that they need better star fighters thus got there sh!t together.

[@clone3_7]

So much, that the new TIE fighters still die in one shot, also making a carrier type ship makes little sense, when your star figthers are equipped with hyperdrives.

[@DrewLSsix]

TK-315 CloneM. it makes perfect sense, fighter pilots wont want to live in the cockpit and its not practical to deploy squadrons from some home base to a battle.

[@clone3_7]

Just think about the Rebellion, they had few carriers, and fighters usually returned to home bases. The TIE is also faster (at least the old TIE used to be), than the X wing so, returning to base doesn't sound bad (especially since Star Killer base stored TIE-s). Meanwhile having to launch from a carrier is always risky, the hangar can be underfire, rebels can dispatch TIE-s who just launched, the Hangar bay can be destroyed. It also adds unnecessary weaknesses (like TIE-s having a hard time taking off, easier infiltration missions [for the resistance] etc). I still don't understand why it is not practical to deploy from home bases, the only con of it, is that deployment takes longer. The base can also be under fire, but it is harder to keep ships pinned there.

[@TheDjbz]

Well, the use of the fighters changes depending on how they are needed to operate. The Rebels were performing hit and run attacks (typically) and were not really meant to engage in a protracted battle, so the discomfort the pilot would endure from extended time in the cockpit during hyperspace would be minimal. (We never get any real indication on how fast star wars hyperdrives are) Engaging in a long battle after a couple hours(or even days possibly in some cases) in hyperspace would be really detrimental to a pilot's abilities. As for the shield thing- every single Tv/film show has shields power vary wildly depending on the plot so what we see on screen can't really be relied on (Games are actually better for the "real" abilities of fictional craft in many ways, as they are at least consistent, within the game itself, as to how durable the ships are)

[@dmgevan7585]

This is an old episode now, but why didn't you mention the fact that these Ties were 2 seaters? From what I can tell, The Empire's Ties were only one seaters. This means that the main chassis of the First Order Tie Fighters were larger and allowed 1 soldier to focus solely on firing at the enemy and 1 on piloting. Also, completely separate question, did The Empire actually have an official name other than just, "The Empire"?

[@SkellingtonWheel]

This is an old comment now :P But in answer to your second question, it was officially "The Galactic Empire"

[@papaofthejohns5882]

If ya think about it, if the Empire devoted as much to Ties as the First Order did (they could have tenfold due to their resources) they would have won the war. It was because of how inefficient the Ties were that they never caught fleeing Rebels or posed a threat to ships.

[@clone3_7]

Because their cost was diverted to Imperial Star Destroyers. Which should have destroyed anything in their path, and should catch most rebel ships with their tractor beams. They haven't got any zero point defence guns (which was its main weakness), but that is why they were carrying TIE-s, that they could hold enemy fighters and bombers. The strategy of the Galactic Empire was good, but the plot required them to be defeated, so they got defeated.

[@pastelnuclear7356]

Every star destroyer should have small hyperspace inhibitors like the Interdictor, fitted to capture small starfighters instead. large capital ships wouldn't be trapped in the field but small x/y/a/etc-wings would. This tactic alone would fuck up the rebellion, and it's most significant forces in space battles. you can't hit and run without fleeing right? this would force them to attack the Star Destroyers head on if they want to get away. but until that, too late. the SD would be able call reinforcements if needed. The SD also needs more anti-starfighter defense systems. anti fighter missiles, quick batteries like our real world anti-missile CIWS system, instead of relying on slow, heavy turbolasers.

[@Doubleagentaron]

What is the resistance

[@pmc614]

Doubleagentaron the guys who were against the 1st Order

[@julienimp8213]

I'm excited for the 2nd Order

[@Amadeus8484]

An expensive victory is better than a cheap defeat...

[@AAhmou]

Or is it? You don't know when you would run out of ressources in the long term to afford expensive victories.

[@clone3_7]

Well, not really, you have probably already heard about pyrrhic victories... War is not so simple, you have to plan ahead, and just, because you win alot of battles, it may not matter at the end, especially if you are low on manpower to begin with. The First Order also got an expensive defeat, not a victory at the end of ep. VII.

[@Deamon93IT]

For still being behind second hand X-wings to be exact, since the New Republic has even newer models if I recall correctly. Anyway would be interesting to see the Tie Defender vs First Ordier Ties, although cost wise the former should be more expensive than the latter

[@MultiAllanski]

I just came up on this channel watched a lot of videos and ofcourse I subbed :) reffering a old video about Anakins lost brother as comment section called him. I realised that all military was basically dismantled. Well what if some planet and species decided to go Rogue and wanted more things for itself and take over more planets for itself? and what if a invasion came from other galaxies as star wars is set in a galaxy but as we all know there are many galaxies. What if another galaxy decided to invade that certain galaxy? what's the point of dismantling that galaxy's army. if there is a fight between light and dark in that galaxy what if there is the same thing in other galaxies? wouldn't there be trades between other galaxies? trade in tech resources which are unique to its galaxy's and its solar systems in comparison to other? This KZbin channel has made me stay up to 2 am as of now and most likely I will become more mind blown :P great work!!!

[@doomblackdragon]

Lol that if not for me got me laughing. Nice one. I love it when you do the whole rhyming thing.

[@playlistarchivist4783]

Although TIE fighters were inferior, the only way they were dangerous was by numbers, model, & the pilot that rides them.

[@BungieStudios]

2:10 *They played the original Star Wars Battlefront games.*

[@kylepeek5069]

To be honest in my opinion I don't think the first order were lacking on recoures I mean they built the supremacy (mega class star destroyer) which is the largest ship in the galaxcy with a wingspan of 60 kilometers and they built their super lazer so they probably used most of their recoures to build super weapons while building their resurgent class star destroyers,Tie fighters etc for their army

[@aurathedraak7909]

Cause it's cheaper to make them.

[@vultlibertas121]

More TIEs means less problems.

[@oceanbytez847]

Guy reading: Clearly the first order lacked resources. The first order: What was that? I can't hear you over the sound of my starkiller base eating stars and destroying worlds.

[@AlteraLin]

Lacks resources => converts an entire planet into a sun-eating Super-Deathstar in 30 years. :P

[@joemoment-o1275]

So, what ever kept the first order from using x wings? Like could they not afford them? Did they not want to mix up ships? I don't get it

[@cookiedragon5661]

limited resources is why they made even more resource heavy ships and fighters and starkiller base...and the( kill me ) mega stardestroyer.. and god knows what else they have tucked away lack of resources seems to be the least of their issues, and the side fact of the "older" xwings the resistance used still kicked the shit out of them

[@colinlaw691]

Very good video love most of the ones you do

[@steelrideproductions371]

Funny thing here, the First Order, to have superior fighters, should have adopted a interceptor doctrine instead of a fighter doctrine. Why would this help them? Interceptors generally tended to be quicker, more maneuverable, and focused more on elimination of enemy fighter groups. Had the First Order taken, modified, and modernized some A-wings, imagine how much more lethal their air to air power would have been. Have the TIE's run a defense grid behind the interceptors to catch anything that would break through and also deter threats by drawing attention away from the capital ships to the improved TIE fighters. After the dogfighting came to a close, recall the interceptors and order the TIE's to attack the enemy capital ships and/or escort boarding/sabotage parties.

[@MrManerd]

I never thought I'd see the day when someone would spend more time than Peter Griffin would coming up with excuses. People hated the prequels because they were to different (HA! gross oversimplification). People hated the new ones because they were to much the same and so you spent god only knows how much time explaining how different this "new" tie fighter is from the original when all they really had to do was use the tie defender instead.

[@CteCrassus]

The "limited resources" line sounds really hollow as an excuse when you take into account that the First Order somehow had the resources to build a Death Star five times bigger (which I call the Death Constellation) *AND* a battlefleet and ground army large enough to wage war at a galactic scale *at the same time* The *only* reason the First Order has Tie Fighters is because the entire premise of the new trilogy can be summarized in "Remember Star Wars?".

[@Belgarathe]

This is like an argument that German needed better tanks during wwii vs Russian who basically welded crap together in mass number. Crew prefer to ride in German tanks which had more creature comfort while the Russian just wanted something in great numbers. Guess who won in battle of Kurst

[@pastelnuclear7356]

and just like that, the rebellion/resistance would be fucked up. it would be 50 guys against a mass wave of 3000 on Endor alone. and most engagements would go that way.

[@SirAroace]

I wish they at least gave them the cutout like the guild ties from Rebels, at least it would look distinctive.

[@Spawn674]

Does the First Order still use Imperial Star Destroyers? If so are they still produced?

[@kaidenpaul8690]

That's a quality essay.

[@lexington476]

does anyone think any Empire TIE pilots stayed in the service and also flew First Order TIEs?

[@Coolstone987]

Since that Disney is throwing 30 years of awesome writing to the Legends, Thrawn's Death is still up in the air.

[@messybunboss5082]

You're spot on 95% + of the time. I love your videos.

[@Kareszkoma]

Just the second gun! In a fire fight it can shot down slower or chasing fighters. The chances of a succesful destroy is basicly doubled. Seeing fin though and the resistance, they are still not a threat, but maybe against the new Republic or what it's called.

[@sik3xploit]

Despite the supposed lack of resources they still managed to make a super weapon out of their damn planet larger than the Death Star. One that could destroy multiple worlds in a single shot at that... Just the same as armor, I guess you could call that "plot resources"

[@emperorsean1]

how come tie fighters and first order storm troopers are still so easily defeated then? Do first order tie fighters have lightspeed engines?

[@clone3_7]

Cannon fodder will always remain cannon fodder, you can give them better training and equipment, which slightly increases their surival rate, but that only makes them costy cannon fodder.

[@juggalo184]

The empire's TIE fighters were crap, because there needed to be some explanation for why the rebellion were always able to fight and or beat the empire's fighters head to head. This is the same reason we keep hearing stupid reasons why stormtroopers are constantly failing vis-a-vis rebels, Princess Leia, E-woks etc. Basically these are ad-hoc excuses for lazy writing and unrealistic plot holes in the original trilogy.

[@linkeffect82]

Not really, real history has examples of leaders who follow this similar philosophy of expendable troops sent en-mass to overwhelm, WW 2 having a keen example in human soldiers sent en-mass to overwhelm well defended trenches. It's callous, but depending on the situation, and clearly the military and governmental leaders as well, treating your troops as expendable fodder and equipping them accordingly is not unheard of, and it fits the callous mind of a tyrant as Palpatine.

[@AlexinCobra]

All that still didn't change anything in the battle against the small wing of Resistance X-wings that slaughtered the Tie fighters as if they had no shields still. So what's the point? You high trained pilots are still dying just like clone pilots.

[@klipsfilmsmelbourne]

How they manage to recover old tie fighter plans

[@Ragnarok6664]

I’m really curious of what would’ve happend if the Empire had the same military philosophy as the First Order, I bet they would’ve been more efficient

[@philipbryan2685]

Should tell that to battlefront 2 first order ties operate the same as empire ties in that game just the interceptor has back canons

[@treystephens4490]

why were the TIE Fighter's wings so large?

[@christianbeams9219]

take shot everytime he says resources

[@mr.mr.moremr.7077]

HAPPY FOURTH MATOS

[@tuanvandersluis4433]

so the starship is like an air craft carier & battle ship in one.

[@BM-en2xg]

Wow I love these details I would never have known about!

[@brokenbridge6316]

So the "First Order" saw how useful TIE Fighters really were?

[@FellSkyhawk]

But they went back to the less superior design of flat panels. "We'll upgrade the internal components but go back to a design that isn't maneuverable in atmosphere and leaves a giant, easy target to hit!" Brilliant.

[@robjohn4842]

Couldn't have been that much better, they're still essentially useless. In TLJ, he Millenium Falcon flies into the middle of dozens of them, kills most of them, draws the rest off, and returns to the base unscathed. Or all the other examples of a handful of x-wings laying waste to seemingly endless waves of First Order Ties. They're the storm troopers of the sky. Mostly useless cannon fodder.

[@thelonious2213]

But if the fo and sf TIE fighters had shields, how did the Millenium Falcon one-shot them? Maybe because it was THE Millenium Falcon.

[@owenthomas2914]

There seem lots of contradictions in this argument, if these FO fighters are 'top of the range' why do they have more in common with the design of the basic tie fighter than any of it's better more expensive contemporarys, and why dose it always lose out to even lesser quantity of X wings which are not even specifically anti-fighter ships? To me it looks clear that while the FO may value there fighters and pilets more than the empire they still favor the easy to produce/maintain/repair/store factor of the simple original design for its mass deployability over individual quality, with what individual improvements have been made beina a natural result of technological progress more than change in design philosophy.

[@wargodsix]

Since the first order was a rebellion against the new republic they didn't have the imperial funding so reusing old design would be a lot cheaper I really wish they would of used the concepts even for that guys shuttle they had way better concepts

[@yseson_]

I think one of the many mistakes of the sequels was trying to mimic the first movies in design. The really should have made the Interceptor design the main design of the 1st Order tie.

[@CHRIStoriker92]

Because the First Order is just a smaller organisation compared with the former Galactic Empire and so they have less troopers ? So they have to build advanced ships etc.

[@lordwisehammer]

So Poe is actually even better than we thought he was given the fact that FO Ties are bleeding edge and the T-70 is a last gen fighter.

[@339Jackscarify]

t-70 is a actually an old model, T-85 is actually a last gen fighter

[@barbiquearea]

I still don't get why the First Order never thought to simply replace the standard Tie fighter design with the vastly superior Tie Interceptor? If Palpatine was planning to replace all Tie Fighters with Interceptors anyway, why didn't the First Order invest their resources into upgrading the more advanced fighter rather than sticking with its outdated predecessor?

[@GrandMoffClubby]

One thing u left out, the first order gave the tie fighters the ability to shoot at anything behind them and have copilots to fire them

[@duncanmcgee13]

So the First Orders TIE fighters were better than Imperial ones but they cant land hits on the Millennium Falcon like Imperial ones did? Also, why are First Order TIEs looking like Viper ACRs. They cool enough to don the offset stripe.

[@eomerseored]

But why ties? wouldnt it be better to try and use/improve already existing better fighters instead of going all the way to try and make a crap design work?

[@justicetaylor2695]

eomerseored The tie direction was already answered in an earlier vid here. The Naval officers would have much easier and more familiar ground with which to train new cadets and base new strategies off of.

[@ACEnBEAKY]

The First Order is more like a smaller, agile, but more versatile Clone Army with an emphasis on melee, defense, and healing than it is a smaller version of the Empire.

[@canuncuoglu]

because disney wanted it

[@BlackBunik]

First order's less bureaucratic regime? It's not like the Empire was too bureaucratic either. The republic was and that was the problem. Empire just had to follow what the Emperor and his Moffs wanted. There was hardly any in fighting and maneuvering. If the mepreror says so it is done.

[@Coolstone987]

I like to think Supreme commander Thrawn is running the First Order, and that Thrawn was using Snoke force abilities like he did to Master Jorus C'baoth.

[@Pynaegan]

If he were, There would be no Hux, no Cpt. Phasma, no death star III and most everything would have "gone according to plan".

[@john091077]

I can understand all of this, but they should have used the TIE Interceptor form.

[@mrblackbeard18]

Look I know they had limited resources...but jeez they still had enough to turn a planet into a super weapon and rebuild their miltiary. not to mention build a resurgance class destroyer that was larger than the imperial class.

[@ethankast3617]

This is why the First Order is so much more dangerous than the Empire was. For the most part, the First Order accounted for the flaws and mistakes of the Galactic Empire.

[@maarvin2092]

Well, the New Republic increased its naval power by 90% so they shouldnt have so many ships in the new trilogy.

[@hydrogenone4926]

Wait wasn't there a galactic demilitarization as part of a peace treaty with the Empire and New Republic.

[@maarvin2092]

Hydrogen One can be, but it was mon mothmas idea even months before the peace talks to make a difference to the hard military presence of the empire.

[@neirboca]

Umm.. That's not a double barrel gun on the top. It's an antenna,

[@theunderscoreddouble5740]

I think the first order should've used upgraded tie interceptors

[@Coolstone987]

The only thing I don't like is, the first order still uses The Tarkin Doctrine.

[@lihkan]

So why do they look the same? There were already better models (Interceptor, Defender) during the Original Trilogy era.