State of the Leafs Front Office | Kyper & Bourne

Nick Kypreos, Justin Bourne, and Sam McKee discuss the state of the Toronto Maple Leafs front office following Kyle Dubas' departure and the affect it had on the team's staff.
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[@ninjanunch2769]

I think if Dubas gets that job Matthews joins him

[@ericmodopoulos7757]

I think the Pittsburgh Penguins tampered with him a month before the playoffs started, and this guys had that in his mind all along

[@dmonsef]

Wouldn't be the first time the Pens cheat!

[@jeffgibeau1424]

I think that bourne hit the nail right on the head. After the season, Dubas took a step back, looked around and was clearly unhappy with his situation. He decided to evaluate his options, as was his right as his contract was coming to an end. Ultimately, he made a counter offer on what he thought was fair to him continuing with the Leafs. The leafs (and much of the fan base) did not agree with his valuation. It’s just a business transaction. Sometimes we don’t have to look for someone or something to blame. I wish the best for Dubas and for the leafs organization as they both enter new era.

[@mattdivito3581]

The Athletic and other outlets have surveyed fans, a higher percentage were in support of Dubas. The detractors are a very vocal minority.

[@johnsummerhill8323]

Don't hold press conferences without telling the boss beforehand.

[@Sidious6460]

​@Matt DiVito That's insane because Dubas was bad at his job and the failure of team is his fault. At end of last season, everyone wanted him gone. He failed again and now everyone thinks he did a good job ? Lol not the people I know.

[@Sidious6460]

​@@mattdivito3581 Him finally having one good trade deadline mightve tricked people who aren't paying attention much, but people who follow the team closely have been unhappy with him for a while and all he ever did was fail.

[@Sidious6460]

​@@mattdivito3581 What poll results and how many people were polled and who did they pick and what question was asked and what were results ? I find it almost possible to believe that it's a small minority of fanbase that is critical of Dubas. Unless they polled like 1000 people from Guelph and 51% were okay with giving him another chance. He's been there half a decade with stacked skill, huge payroll and nothing but embarrassing and dismal failure.

[@ronmurray7349]

Nobody, I mean nobody was expecting this much blowback from the Dubas departure.This has taken on a life of its own.

[@tomshea8382]

It's a bit silly. All the Leafs pundits were like "If they flame out, nothing's off the table, Matthews isn't safe, Tavares isn't safe, Marner," and then people are acting like it's a shocker that Dubas got canned.

[@billkresan4015]

@@tomshea8382 I agree with you But I have to admit I thought the coach would be the first to go So that said Kyle getting let go so quickly shocked me

[@brokenspokes3739]

I think the leafs fired the wrong guy and the other guy was tired of the backseat driver and getting the blame

[@delpierochch]

Great podcast fellas.

[@yamahman4942]

When we gonna get a camera on Sammy!?

[@timdenommee4305]

Kyper is right. No one is forever. Not the core 4 nor management. Remember back to Justin's dad's team the NYIs made all sorts of changes to win 4 Cups.

[@jamesnewman48]

Dubas is gone. he can do what he wants. I am more concerned with Shanny and his vision

[@rickymartin875]

The Shanascam! lol

[@biglemoncoke4095]

True, there is always next season, fans always renew their season tickets. The most important issue is to take time to find a competent GM and formulate a long term plan, not Shanaplan 2.0. If that doesn 't work for 7 years, you need an alternative solution, I guess.

[@rickymartin875]

@@biglemoncoke4095 Leafs fans! 🤣😂🤣🍁🍁💙🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@Argent3333]

If you have worked for a toxic boss or company you would get it. People in MLSE probably got respect and praise for hard work and credit for good idea’s. Expecting them to go a work place like the Ballard Imlach era can be scary

[@Sidious6460]

It's an amazing world, where you can do a terrible job, get fired and then get a big step up in your next job.

[@thenarrowgate3063]

It was wrong for them to have hired Dubas as rookie GM of the hottest frying pan of an orginization to start his career and expect him to succeed..The blueprint should be Goalie, Defender, Star Center and Star winger, and build around that...by throwing half the teams salary on 4 forwards..was a boneheaded decision anyone could have saw that right out the gate, anyone who understands this game at least..and their were many who did. Who passes on Hunter and Lamoriello to go with an unproven rookie GM? ...Shanny, which is why he should have been Axed also. Also they need a coach who is going to teach our stars how to play a 200ft game, our core players, i will say 2 of the 4, Matthews and Nylander, who are one dimensional and have been given carte blanche to play this way and it rubs off on the others, sure they can score and pass in the OZ, but in the DZ its like were on the PK because of poor positioning and no defensive aspect to their game it drives me nuts. When i look at a team like vegas who have no huge star players to speak of but even the top ones that they do have lead by example and i watch them play such a positionaly sound 200ft game and think, no wonder they've had success right out of the gate, not to mention how well coached they are. This is what i would like to see the leafs achieve, but they wont untill they can hire a no nonsense GM, who isnt buddy buddy with his players, and a proper coach. Then get, or groom a goalie who can be a bobrovski type and then we will see a team who isnt just good when there is no pressure and then fold when there is, then success will come in the playoffs. We are going to have to part ways( by trade) with at least one of the core 4, and i would say either 1 of the 2 that i mentioned and get a good 2 way centre man who can fill in immediately and a gaggle off prospects and/or high draft picks, and a goalie prospect should be included and go from there...my 2 cents....

[@officialnickelcitygrunge]

Why doesn't Shanahan take over GM and Present, he knows the team better than anyone coming in.

[@cjmllvv]

Lotta work

[@mr8966]

Because he doesn’t want the accountability.

[@officialnickelcitygrunge]

@@mr8966 could be but he hired Dubas and will hire new gm so there is some accountability there regardless.

[@ronbonora7872]

I don't think he will ever be the Present mate! LOL

[@mr8966]

@@officialnickelcitygrunge Fire him.

[@deepfielder]

Go Habs Go!

[@rjj4304]

Kyper has been spot on with all oof his dubas comments

[@ebbtide2793]

I think Dubas is smart enough to realize his time was up with the Leafs. He wanted out and took steps to allow Shanahan to come to the same conclusion. He is ready for a fresh start with new players, new management, new fans and new media. Smart move on his part, for his career, for his sanity, for his family.

[@kamikazeedisaster]

lol, are the pens closer, well, they are aging, but they have one of the best coaches, solid locker room. sid still ppg, malkin, and letange. yes, the roster has issues, but if im dubas, good org, that will let me take more power, and he tries to squeeze one run out of these guys before a full rebuild that they let him control. and guentzel is only 28. it;s not like he's inheriting no chance. i'd bet the pens win in the next two years before the leafs...

[@casario2808]

Of course there is another possibility other than $$ its the autonomy or control, maybe Dubas and Shanny did not see eye to eye on some key issues on the horizon. The idea that Dubas came back and asked for more is a bit too simple an explanation (as is the explanation that Shanny suddenly doubted Dubas' commitment). Probably a bit of truth to all of it. IMO its an overall bad thing for the Leafs. Shanny's era doesnt look like it will end as it started...not well.

[@timseibel6507]

It seems like Dubas took a hard look at Toronto and said "nope".

[@johnhoward8668]

Great show guys. Thank you.

[@dmonsef]

No one should be both President and GM. I think Pat Quinn has been one of only ppl to have some success holding both positions, minus winning a Cup.

[@rickmather7062]

@0:28 Bravo sir

[@lenakeast8171]

Canada is tired of being sold out

[@ronaldmorell9793]

Is the GM part of the cap?

[@clown-world2.0]

🎉

[@jordanstreib3898]

Dubas make it happen Hellebuyck+Adman+Barron for 1st+Pickering +TySmith

[@genekrobel4707]

😂 Bourne can replace Dubas. Doppelgänger.

[@davidmcnamara8024]

I like Shanahan. Mimico's favourite son.

[@UltraViolence90]

BLOW IT UP 😂😂😂

[@mattdivito3581]

I think attacking the sources for Jonas' article misses the point. You can call it insecurity and try to belittle what they're feeling, but Dubas hired and built up a lot of areas in that front office. Flippantly turning around and letting Dubas go when you had a contract ready for an extension puts Dubas' vision for the club in obvious jeopardy, and by extension, all the departments and people he hired. Shanahan and the new GM might completely cut bait with a lot of them, so their worries are not unwarranted.

[@jonshannow7808]

Apparently a full house cleaning is needed.

[@williamrallis83]

... ever since Spezza has resigned the Leafs front office is a shambles.

[@lucasmcconnell3201]

Bourne just slaughters Kypreos here.

[@testkonto7191]

These guys just sound so old school

[@garygalawan7816]

Who cares where Dumas goes. Dubas only concern in staying with the leafs was money. If that was the deciding factor then the Leafs fans should be very happy that he is gone. Unfortunately for most people only the fans have a passion for the game. For the NHL owners, managers and players it is all about money. Unfortunately sports media are acting like vultures over a dead carcus and they continue speculating over situations that are not relevant. Grow up!

[@carbb5760]

He’s going to Ottawa, as soon as new ownership is sorted out

[@xdraconicgaming5204]

What does Dubas think that he has done to deserve full autonomy? He has made good trades that didn't work out... so we're they actually good trades? He is too close and buddy buddy with players to the point where it negatively impacts the team. Best wishes to Pittsburgh if you hire him. You're going to get smaller and more skilled but that's about it.

[@mattdivito3581]

Without knowing every move Shanahan blocked, the team could have been quite different if he had actual autonomy instead of getting Shanahan approval every time.

[@thereaversden6847]

I mean Dubas was saying no options for trade were off the table after the season ended but Shanny was the guy who called the core 4 and told them they are secure... I wonder if there is a more to this then we will ever know. Maybe Dubas was ready to move one and Shanny/The board wanted to block it. Just my opinion.

[@Sidious6460]

​@@mattdivito3581 Lmfao what ? 😂😂 What on earth makes you believe Dubas had deals and Shanny blocked him ? 😂 Considering how bad of a job he was doing and how much smarter of a hockey mind Shanny is than Dubas. The fact you'd think Dubas could've done better with no boss 😂

[@Sidious6460]

​@@thereaversden6847 Its my opinion Dubas wanted to trade Matthews for Corey Perry and Shanny blocked it lmao. Like where do you get this from ? 😂

[@thereaversden6847]

@@Sidious6460 Chris Johnston was the one who reported the calls to the core 4. The rest is speculation. All we know is basically, if they resign, they have security. So...

[@dantran9962]

‘Mourning’ No wonder people call the Leafs a soft franchise.

[@Tomastone]

It makes sense if he leveraged an offer. "Does Pittsburgh have a better chance than the Leafs?"...and you say no? What? Yeah, I think they do. The leafs are consistently terrible. Pittsburgh not so much, not saying they are head and shoulders above the leafs, but they will do constantly better in the long run than Toronto. Toronto is doomed, and long before this. Get ready for another long 50 years with no cup. They will eventually win a cup...if the league survives that long. They are the Red Sox of hockey.

[@igorgontcharov6220]

Fire Shanahan!

[@sharpliketac526]

oh yes he did Bourney

[@lenakeast8171]

Why should Canadian people still buy Hockey ticket's?

[@rickymartin875]

Because they love to see the Loser Leafs lose? 🤣😂🤣🍁🍁💙🤡🤡🤡

[@mgriffin4297]

You three non-stop talk over eachother. Interrupting consistently. Super annoying.

[@user-iz3gv5vo6b]

So Dubas wanted a big raise after betting the farm numerous times only to win ONE playoff round with a team that already had several superstars, and a max payroll? How desperate is Pittsburgh?

[@UltraViolence90]

1967😂

[@mikeenglish844]

Fire all them sissies

[@steevay7772]

Trade Murray back to Pittsburg!

[@johndesousa7379]

If I were Shanahan I wouldn't have hired Dubas. Too inexperienced. Trading Kadri was a big mistake, signing the core 4 to astronomical contracts was mistakes numbers 2,3,4,5. Protecting Holl over McCann in the Seattle expansion Draft mistake number 6. Giving away draft picks for Foligno for only a few playoff games mistake number 7 Asking for more money when you've only managed to win 1 round in the playoffs in 5 years as GM mistake number 8. A lot of mistakes in just 5 years.

[@pickford3152]

Honestly i think releasing Dubas was a huge mistake, conpared to whats out there niw?! Like r u kidding me, mark my words u think things r bad now, wait its gonna get worse

[@hockey_highlights_and_more]

Brad trevling is a downgrade from dubas, shanahan should have been the one fired, now players that need a contract are gonna have questions towards the direction of the team, usually when you fire the gm you are rebuilding

[@michaelburke754]

Mark Hunter needs to be hired ASAP

[@rickymartin875]

@@michaelburke754 Mark Hunter is a Former Habs player! 🤣😂🤣🍁🍁💙🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@asssfukcocsukmotherf]

when we gunna cover any team besides the crappy choking in the playoff every year leafs.....there are more teams in the nhl ......SN should change their name to leafs/jaysnet

[@James-nv1wf]

9 years in any organization is long enough, move on to learn new things.

[@lenakeast8171]

Canada is tired of be sold out

[@rickymartin875]

Canada is laughing at Leafs Nation. 🤣😂🤣

[@tonydesousa4061]

Should trayed him.

[@dkatzism]

The money talk sounds great to people with regular degular jobs...

[@seffer1838]

The country club atmosphere rippled through the leaf's organization for too long. I'm happy these people feel a little discomfort, maybe they will understand how leaf fans have felt for decades.

[@cormacgreene8505]

Totally agree

[@sherwood5030left6]

Not a Leaf fan here,so keep the country club going.

[@seffer1838]

@@sherwood5030left6 Non Leaf fans have been eating good since I've been a fan lol

[@rickymartin875]

@@seffer1838 Leafs fan deserve misery. Nobody forced them at gunpoint to make such a stupid decision. They did that all on their own! Harold is laughing at you!!! 🤣😂🤣🍁🍁💙🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@CHAUNCEY.GARDNER.]

Yup 10 thou a game sounds about right after this year,enjoy Kyle,Pitt is no Toronto.

[@wgosse]

Jonas was more than a "messenger" -- you could feel his personal emotion I have lost respect for him.

[@robm9999]

Dude, as if anyone should ever have had respect for Jonas Siegel to begin with!

[@steveearle8407]

Weasel

[@dougbell9543]

With Dubas in Pittsburgh, does this open the way for Matthews being traded to the Steel City? ✔️

[@robm9999]

Nope, but we can get Sid for Justin Holl and Alex Kerfoot however!! 😂

[@xtasydesigns6982]

Leafs in 7

[@daniel6073]

He sounds drunk all the time!

[@adamsteele6148]

Leafs will get a left over failed GM who has to go through shannahan. Recipe for failure.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

I got news for you - every GM in the NHL that has a team president has a reporting hierarchy. You people make it sound as if that is unique to Toronto and it is so not . Every place has to run significant decisions thru a hierarchy - and if it is a single individual owner - the same thing there . Boston for example - Galley is the GM - Cam Neely is the President - but if you think they can make significant decisions without going and getting approval from Jacobs - You are insane . It does not work like that .

[@adamsteele6148]

@@pjpredhomme7699 you're wrong

[@Sidious6460]

​@@adamsteele6148 I don't know what you think was wrong, but that was right. You think Shanahan and Dubas were able to sign Tavares for tens of millions without board approval ? Buddy, welcome to the real world.

[@adamsteele6148]

@@Sidious6460 assistant to the general manager lol.

[@poppamazzone6916]

Maybe the decision to leave the Leafs and go to Pittsburg is what was tough on his family

[@jeffsframe9927]

Everybody has a better chance than the Leafs ! 🤣🤣🤣

[@user-nl8vz9md7e]

Give me Sid, Jake , Letang and Malkin ahead of A.M, Marner, Tavares and Willy all day-any day of any week. I'm not alone . You lot have VERY BLUE tinted glasses ....😅

[@frankieb8591]

It’s a mess

[@rickymartin875]

These are the Days of Our Leafs. 🤣😂🤣🍁🍁💙🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@cigsbutt]

Perhaps Dufas , realizes his plan A isn't going to work and has no plan B, so time to book before the sh*t hits the "fans".

[@robm9999]

I smell Tampering!! Let’s go Leafs and get this investigated and make Fenway group pay for interfering in internal Leafs business dealings. Make old Gary B. have to investigate his favourite team (i.e., any team based in US is Gary’s favourite team!) and publicly have all of the Penguins’ activities in illegally approaching Dubas aired!

[@philipkeeler9997]

You need to spend some time in cottage country FFS. We'll get 'em next year champ!

[@robm9999]

@@philipkeeler9997 maybe, cold beer would taste good. But that’s what Bourne is intimating if he didn’t come out and say it. Trust me if Leafs did anything remotely like it we’d be fined!

[@shinobi7742]

Now I know where the softness comes from for this Team. MLSE is all soft. LOL! What a joke.

[@brandonlauzon351]

No wonder Dubas wanted to leave this place.

[@adamsteele6148]

They all psychos

[@BobsUruncle-dl7cs]

Dubas was FIRED.Full Stop.

[@adamsteele6148]

@@BobsUruncle-dl7cs fired with a backup plan

[@LeahDycksports]

Dubas NEVER wanted to leave.

[@BobsUruncle-dl7cs]

@@adamsteele6148 Fired with predjudice.

[@24theMoney]

Mario Lemieux will never allow his beloved champion pedigree Pittsburgh Penguins be touched by the Stank of Toronto loserdome.

[@elvisisalive2716]

it's hilarious how many failed GM's keep getting work, there is no requirement for success

[@pjpredhomme7699]

on the contrary - what seems obvious is the requirement when you are a failure is to not attempt to usurp the person who hired you at their expense - that is quite clearly the requirement

[@steveoishere]

I work in construction 🚧 my company layoffs people often I don’t make hockey money 💰 and I really like a lot of the people we let go and we are not in crying 😭 about it like the office in the maple leafs this is absolutely ridiculous

[@steveoishere]

Learn how to mind your own business

[@meowza]

In five years Dubas accomplishes one round two win and thinks he’s owed the sun and the moon. No wonder he gave the Leafs players a blank check during negotiations. He thinks just like they do.

[@manwell79]

Prior to Dubas, what was their playoff record? Legit question.

[@meowza]

​@@manwell79 That's a low bar to measure a team to. Dubas inherited a 105-point team that had Matthews, Marner, and Rielly. And in his five years the team averaged 107 points and won one game in round 2. If that's an acceptable level of progress, the Leafs won't see a lot of success for a long time.

[@carbb5760]

Working for the leafs would be a pita, almost certain failure, awful media and neurotic fan base. Guy wanted to get paid to deal with that I can’t blame him. He’ll get a new job for sure so why put up with that bs

[@DH432hrtz]

And Brendan built this train wreck 9 yrs ago. Fire him NOW!!!

[@romyclips6479]

Jonas Siegel is a Dubas shill and fanboy. I'm gonna take whatever he writes with a huge grain of salt.

[@UltraViolence90]

LEAFS SUCK 😂

[@thisspacenotforrent]

Leafs need to fire Brendan Shanahan, the fact that he is considering Brad Treliving, and how he dealt with Dubas (yeah Dubas should have been fired, but because he sucked)...we got Pridham, promote him as GM and move forward...just frustrating...congrats to Dubas on finding a new job, and well played how he played the Leafs, lol...

[@c-jkosh1952]

Is it so hard to understand that Dubas might actually be a good person & leader? So much so that people under him actually like him? Maybe Kyper is surpriced because he has never met such person in NHL management level.

[@andrewcrenshaw8093]

Good people don't use their families to leverage their salaries.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

@@andrewcrenshaw8093 right but it does not mean that they can come across as being a nice person - which I am sure Kyle Dubas if you were around him probably is . For me I am like you say - using that whole family thing to garner leverage in an attempt to usurp your boss -who gave you the job - is what I call a 2 legged rattlesnake

[@c-jkosh1952]

​@@andrewcrenshaw8093 You are right. Good person listen to the people they love before making big decision like this. If thats difficult to understand, I guess you have bigger problems than the next employer. I think Dubas wanted more autonomy to make roster related decisions. Whats Shannys job if Dubas has autonomy? Shanny would be the first man out othe door.

[@Sidious6460]

What's hard to understand is that anyone watching him perform as a terrible GM for 5 years would be shocked he lost his job or thinking Leafs are losing a great GM. He should've been fired last year. He might be a great guy, unfortunately he wasn't good at his job and in professional sports, results matter more than being a nice guy.

[@blairsy77]

Simps simping for Dubas the simp.

[@Sidious6460]

It's crazy, he was not good, bye.

[@elosogonzalez8739]

Toronto fans bring on their own harassment by the rest of leagues fans.

[@warrengoatse238]

Nobody mourns when Kyper leaves somewhere, that's for sure.

[@DH432hrtz]

Guys state the obvious please! The Leafs are a Lie...... 50 million dollar coach, 11 million dollar players. Brendan has to go so long as were just being Professional......

[@PD-hv4js]

I love how a good number of poor to mediocre hockey GMs/executives continually fail upwards.

[@julienwood577]

dubas isnt even that good of a GM

[@nickcampanaro8786]

They are in mourning because they feel betrayed by Kyle. End of story.

[@pjpredhomme7699]

that is not at all what they article said

[@jimlangdon1947]

Think Dubas & Matthews could easily work with Sid to bring a Stanley Cup to Pittsburgh. The road for Leafs to get their Stanley Cups is to leave Toronto. What happens with all the Leaf player contracts - if it is true Dubas negotiated contracts with an alleged conflict of interest?

[@grahamshere]

You think Pit's could afford Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Mathews all on 1 team? Mathews will want 15 mil guaranteed.

[@craigslater2321]

@@grahamshere Penguins up against the cap now

[@johnsummerhill8323]

​@@McFeedback1968 BS

[@johnsummerhill8323]

@@McFeedback1968 Says you. I wouldn't want him fighting either. First of all , the penalty box is not where you want your top scorers to be. Secondly, he has wrist issues and an injury to a hand/wrist penalized the team long-term. The best Leafs ever never fought. Was a Lady Byng winner twice and only had 117 minutes in penalties in 18 years in the NHL. His name was Dave Keon. Some players are fighters, some are not.

[@jimlangdon1947]

@@grahamshere If Leafs are wise - to advance they will offload Marner & maybe Nylander also - just to start winning in the playoffs.

[@davidmcnamara8024]

Who cares.

[@ronbonora7872]

Dubas wants it all and has done nothing in the playoffs. Only fools would make him the president of any team given his track record! Any team that pays him $4m etc are crazy!

[@webbdelasteve]

Man. He did nothing. Good riddance.

[@15jstone]

LOL are these guys are actually surprised a bunch of millennials and Gen Z kids don’t know how to act like adults? Boy would these guys be awakened if they were hired by the Leafs and I’m sure the Raptors are just as bad internally.

[@mr8966]

The Penguins are offering Dubas another 5 years to play with training wheels.

[@BobsUruncle-dl7cs]

The Pens never even contacted Dubas thats a rumor started by The Athletic an online rag site that is trying to help Dubas con the NHL again.

[@LeahDycksports]

I don’t believe that for a second. No one wants Dubas!

[@BobsUruncle-dl7cs]

@@LeahDycksports You are absolutely 100% correct...Dubas = Dellow. Watch the movie "Catch me if you Can". They did.

[@tonyo8171]

Mourning??!!!😅i haven’t stopped celebrating since Dufas got Will Smithed and canned!! Good times…finally!🎉

[@cprtrain]

Dubas was never the true GM. Shanahan was the GM. Dubas was merely the puppet. He wanted control.

[@enmac500]

Let people have feelings, jeez you angry curmudgeons

[@mogulrider]

Mourning? It's why the Leafs will never be a winning organization. Leadership never Mourns, Leadership rallies the troops and builds a clinical approach that is beyond "people". You drill into all staff that it is the organization that matters - not "people"

[@waynejones5635]

Dubas has been an absolute failure with the Leafs ... if the Penguins want to tank their team with him, have at it. He is a complete clown, with no track record. 🤡⛳🏌‍♀

[@lenakeast8171]

Canada is tired of being sold out

[@rickymartin875]

Canada is laughing at Makebeleaf Nation.