State Of Warlock Mythic + Specs and Why Demonology May Be The Best!

[@petarmaras6807]

Kamalazi, I'm someone who's been playing WoW since Day 1 to this day. The Warlock community really is privileged to have you. Thanks to you I do not need to go through patch notes, break down the ongoing things with the class that I've been playing since Cata and its impact on the gameplay, as well as how it changes with even the slightest change. So thank you for being so humble and putting out stuff like this for I don't even know how long. We really are privileged to have you. Nothing but love for you, brother.

[@Kalamazii]

I appreciate it!

[@causetosubside]

@@Kalamazii kamalazi

[@griffinwinkler8401]

I second this comment I love you Mr Mazi

[@rodhayes628]

@@causetosubsidewtf

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

I think the op's comment resonates with many in the Warlock community. We all are very fortunate to have someone like Kalamazi who is not only very good in giving us info but also always entertaining in his streams and has undying hate for mages 😆😉

[@yoman4422]

I'm a casu (ilvlv 609), but I tried destro and demono yesterday and the damage output for demono was much better for me. It felt really good!

[@CuervoSur]

Thats weird, i was trying for myself and destro give me a little bit more dps than demonology, of course, demo have more burst.

[@mrlildlux1]

You will probably find your secondary stats played a role in what spec did more. I carry 3 different sets for Aff/Demo/Destro.

[@SonOfTheImam]

I never stopped playing Demo, and always cranking the meters. The one thing that annoys sometimes is aligning your demons with tyrant, essentially when you have to move (or die) and missed tyrant. Now that dogs give 100 pct cores back I enjoy the spec even more.

[@slipknotpurity00]

Same I keep seeing woe and despair this whole expansion and my Demo lock is cranking, top every meter in 10+ keys and almost every boss in our Heroic raids

[@joseeduardomartinezsanchez6659]

Making Tyrant instant cast like any of the other two spec's big demons would help that issue a ton. Don't know why they are hesitant to do so.

[@SonOfTheImam]

@ great point brother, or at lease what Blizz could do is give it say like 60/80 pct cast time reduction if you have your lets say felguard and dogs up or whatever big minion to combine with? A bit similar to the cast time reduction soulfire when it procs. I hope blizz is reading this 👀

[@The0nlyy]

All the people complaining about Demo being bad are the people who don’t play it lol. If you know how to play Demo, you’ll be #1/2 in keys.

[@SonOfTheImam]

@No doubt 💪🏼. Demo for me is near perfect. We could use some QoL changes here and there. I hope blizz will give us just that☝🏼

[@EvisiusGaming]

Just wanted to say thanks dude! Been a struggling aff lock and decided to follow your tips and play destro and parses so much better in raid.

[@choop7161]

Skill issue, parses are relative to your spec

[@Carnage1290]

As an Aff enjoyer this video is depressing, but I have to agree. Going into any pack without soul rot feels awful. I like demo too, so I will definitely give that a shot in some keys this week.

[@brunohommerding3416]

Yeah aff is nice to play but the different cooldowns timers make the flow while playing it too clanky

[@Cyberlockz]

aff is better than last week so why you depressed, aff was the m ost played m+ spec even tho I always prefered destro for the better prio dmg and more control.

[@yogamuruga]

thats true, a pull without vile is so sad

[@dimitrisfikas7115]

yeah if you are puging youre kick stunning can ruin a pull by holding a caster outside the stack or if nobody kicks it can just sit there casting which is basically the same thing and not having imp dispel either for devouring, last boss siege, second boss city is just griefing your healer other than that demo dmg profile is actually alot better overall

[@stellarsphere4543]

That boi Kala dropping knowledge.

[@ogunsari9686]

Thank You for the Work Buddy :)

[@mathoras1056]

I've been maining demo since I came back during dragonflight. I've tinkered in aff and destro this expansion, but demo has just always felt the best. You captured very well why in this video!

[@Garbage315]

Definitely feels like the happy medium. Aff is too CD reliant and Destro has kind had problems with very long ramp up time (for non Cata/CDF builds anywho). Demo atleast overcomes these problems and can adapt to different key levels.

[@thomas1644]

Hellcaller aff feels like a ton of fun right now, and IMO is underrated. The ST isn't great, but after the wither buff, it is serviceable. For AOE, as long as you have vile taint up at the start of a pack and the pack lives for 25+ seconds, the AOE feels consistently pretty good. And if you have soul rot, it feels fantastic. Refreshing agony is a little annoying, but if you do it right, you get the unstable agony bursts, which feel nice

[@Dontknowme81]

Never thought if be a Demonlock player, feel in love with the spec in Dragon Flight. Can’t figure out why, I just think I like to see the gang, gang up.. lol

[@thierryaugusto4142]

Hellcaller affliction is very fun!!!! A true DOT class now, im doing 13-14 no problems here.

[@mLunleashed]

I'm doing 11's but only sitting at like 1.3M dps. I feel like I get punished so much for exactly what he says, I use CD's, then next pack I got jack shit.

[@thierryaugusto4142]

@mLunleashed This happens on Demo and Destro too, for me aff is the best for keys, demo still need time to ramp and mobs die fast.

[@nino5986]

@@thierryaugusto4142 no it does not as aff, you are wrong... destru has demonfire to really dots, demo can always explode imps and generate shard easily where as for aff it does not... if mobs dies fast thatmeans people are playing under 11-10's which is not relevant here.

[@OneMediocreGamer]

​@@mLunleashedI know how you feel cause it's been happening to me, the way around it is to be premade with your group or atleast the tank, and do bigger pulls around your CDs. The nice thing about doing higher keys is packs take longer, so not only do you have longer to ramp but also more time for CDs to come back before the next pull

[@slugfest513]

@@mLunleasheddo higher keys

[@JDMluvDSMkila]

I wish we could get 2 charges of vile taint

[@rodhayes628]

He’s pretty special to a lot of people

[@alexanderadams9008]

Demo is the best for pugs and random groups because it has good burst on every pack, with Diabolist, dogs, hound, implosion, felguard, you just get that tyrant that pumps you up, it’s not nearly as peak and valley when you don’t have your soul rot or your tank is running around lifting mobs out of rain of fire

[@off-meta9962]

Haha i feel you. Had a chainpulling Tank and the whole dungeon i think 1 of my Rain of fire was allowed to fully channle

[@joefritz9146]

I went hellcaller destro after the buff and it's pumping 💪

[@Malix2238]

I remember in beta when ppl actually thought aff would be good with MR and this dev team lol

[@otothezee]

I have played all specs but for the most I'm destro,back after 3yrs and I was demo while living ITS WAS BIG FUN REALLY THINKING OF GOING BACK, like all the demons I was spawning

[@hinameslucas]

I dunno, it feels like I always have Malevolence on Destro. Hellcaller feels really good rn

[@Pilioka1]

Yup hellcaller is the play imo

[@sashimiturtle]

I play destro exclusively. Went hellcaller this week in Mythic Nerubar Palace and it felt good. Was keeping up with GM/raid leader and he's much more experienced player than I am and he was running diabolist destro.

[@MrNetharion]

@@hinameslucas yeah Its prob the best spec/ state of current and Warlock. I mean Its so obvious why its good/ Smooth. You press 3 buttons, got alot of haste and your right in the pack. No big setups, sequences etc. This Game is way tooooo fast/ too much Movement for warlock design 2024.

[@sashimiturtle]

@@MrNetharion I agree with the movement. If I can plant and cast I blow up the charts. As soon as there's a heavy movement fight I'm down with the tanks. They have to keep making dungeons raids have more and more mechanics it's getting out of hand.

[@ventus9702]

Just hope more affliction buffs coming till 11.2. Got a fresh assassination rogue and is looking so much better dot class

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

Hope it's gonna happen sooner than 11.2.. Should be no later than 11.1 but I don't see why they couldn't do it in 11.0.7 too or even push class tuning hotfixes like they have..they did say they're monitoring things so fingers crossed.. 🤞🏻

[@Warfizzle08]

Can confirm. I main Affliction and my raid just downed heroic Queen last night. One player switched from ele shaman to a demo lock and absolutely mopped the floor with most of the raid, myself included. Guess I'm switching to demo.

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

I thought ele was super good after they buffed them. 🤔

[@Nagassh]

The lack of a proper felhunter interrupt is what kills it for me half the time - being unable to kick a caster that's outside the group in is an often enough occurance that I end up just playing destro. Wish they'd just made the pvp interrupt baseline instead of baking it into the felguard.

[@smizzmeister]

Bring back Soul Swap copy snapshotting for Aff, and give back Metamorphosis for Demo :(

[@whiskybob]

The problem with demonology I have is the interrupt. I hate axe toss. It interrupts and stuns minor enemies so targeting a caster mob like in Necrotic wake doesnt make it go towards your tank - so does nothing for grouping mobs together. Very annoying on 2nd necrotic wake boss. Also - pet reliance, if you die and get CRed and your insta-cast summon is on CD you are cooked. Also - being forced to use one pet, unlike on other specs on which you can sometimes pull out an imp to deal with dispel if no interrupts are necessary. Overall Demonology is often affected by "awkwardness" like losing your imps randomly to some movement-related mechanics, watching your imps die off in the "in-combat" intermission (hello Dawnbreaker) pets targeting random shit or nothing at all (hello dawnbreaker cocoons on one of the mini-bosses), borking your massive implosion on a leaping mob, it gets pretty cringe at times. I'm glad destro is somehow viable because it feels way more reliable.

[@nino5986]

cry me a river, you got real bufs compare to aff...

[@whiskybob]

@@nino5986 I'm not crying? I'm just saying I don't really like how demo plays due to few issues not related to damage or rotation, and I prefer aff or destro (mostly destro) for those reasons. Even if demo has the numbers it's often just awkward to play. I'm never hating any spec because I don't play specs, I play Warlock.

[@vivix1664]

@@nino5986 he just saying facts ! You dont understand he is saying. You can buff 2000% pets , if the specs is borring cause mecanics kill you pet , its borring. Buffed or not. Big dps or not.

[@sashimiturtle]

Hellcaller destro feels good.

[@Thundercloud1969]

Playing demon, loving it. Even with my gear only being 604, I still keep doing around one million dps . I was surprised 👌🏻

[@Meerkatx5]

I've been going between destro CDF (no SB) and Demo this week. Both feel great and are about equal from my testing.

[@MrWhizy]

Kalamazi could you please talk about how punishing demo can be if you miss certain rotation/ramps be other specs?

[@markuslc1888]

aff needs a similar way to apply dots on grps like shadow does,

[@Urteilsdrache]

ye, get rid of the vile taint dot, make seed cost 1 more shard but let it apply agony aswell and no casttime like priest

[@markuslc1888]

@@jzmmm i prefer cata of manually tab immo, tab immo, but yeah i agree, there should be a smoother way

[@ryanpower1291]

They just need it on 20 seconds instead of 30 (just like shadow crash) and aff would be set

[@BatatonDoCon]

@@jzmmm this! I loved outbreak since i palyed it in wotlk classic and tbh i dropped my main spec (aff) that expansion because of how much better it felt to spread dots as a unholy dk

[@TheWorkOver]

Took demo into H palace, felt really good after the buffs

[@JSIguess]

I remember when everyone was hyping up aff before release...

[@tiagopassarela]

As a main Demonology player, I can finally enjoy playing Warlock in this expansion. The change to the Dreadstalkers' core generation has been huge, and now I have enough demonic cores to complete the rotation about 80% of the time.

[@ScottKent]

How is Demonology, which should be focused on the demons, the spec that is least able to use different demons? Doesn't make sense. Instead of just Felguard focused buffs, it should be either buffs for any summoned demon, or specific buffs for the specific summons. Demonology should be showing versatility through the various summons.

[@barcenalbg]

Totally agree. Demons should be switchable for the situation. Thing is it will prob start providing to much utility and dmg will have to be nerfed so ppl choose the other 2 specs 😅

[@fredxu99]

I see a lot of comments about demo setup and dealing with mechanics in M+. It definitely is a problem but one way to remedy it is to speed everything up. I overcap on haste (28%), put a 1000 speed enchant on my bracers, and always take the burning rush speed increase, all to try and minimize downtime. All of it adds up and helps a lot, pretty much all of my tyrants have at least 7 imps.

[@MrNetharion]

@@fredxu99 y but its Like Not fun to minmax every ability/ step and break your hands for every setup while others classes press 3 buttons and instant funnel dmg😅

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

​@@MrNetharionExactly. #buffwarlocks 😉

[@clockwork9011]

Demo is my favorite spec! The movement of destro just makes it so comfortable in M+! Demo It’s just a turret and takes a bit of pre planning! As lock mains we play all specs lol!

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

Some do. Some don't. I have hated demo since the day they lost meta and it was given to that other class.. Destro mostly but Affliction is kinda fun too.

[@nessie_please]

#BuffWarlock

[@terrydirks4441]

Enjoy cooking your food without a cooking fire, opening your own lockboxes, and telling people, "Hey, we don't have to crawl through the sewers in Timewalking Shattered Halls." Oh, and the 150 stacking int buff and ghetto cheat death, but whatever, you're your own forge now! Now, if only we were our own repair bot...

[@dotftw1]

Guillotine simmed highest for aoe for me and gave it a try today. Did 1.7m overall on City Of Threads - was surprising.

[@Oldawa.]

Hello, sorry for being lazy, but i dont understand for destro, now its better Hellcaller ?

[@urdrenn]

saw you compared it to destro Diabolist at the end, was that a mistake and did you mean HC, as that now seems the way to go for destro?

[@Jon-sy3jd]

I know what his saying but demo is way more punishing to play in mplus then aff and destro and it’s stun doesn’t work on all the mobs. also it does lose a lot of damage still from movement. While the rotation isn’t the hardest it’s the most punishing and it has more micro managing to it than just sending cds like you do aff and destro. If you want io play aff it’s by far the easiest to play atm.

[@mudmousee]

Big agree that the whole issue with demo is that it's always shown by high end players or by sims, and there it looks amazing. Average players are punished so hard if you desync dogs or god forbid you miss a tyrant extension on the dogs. Meanwhile destro and even aff you can just roll with the mistake and still do 75-90% of the dps you would if you had done it perfectly.

[@mstav30]

Demonology in M+ is outstanding! Thank you Blizz for making the class awesome again.

[@Drogo911]

Agreed been playing since yesterday decent damage overall

[@dylster9935]

I play hellcaller aff and its very consistent. Even with no cds just seed and manual agony i hover under 2 mil dps in a 5 target pack. If you build around wither and not rapture its very easy to do good damage.

[@09Kadaj]

praying here that Affliction in RAID is at least good. i dont want to change to demo to raid.

[@antonzlydenko6451]

in group with average joes - still good. In my group in heroic I'm in top3 (some bosses like sikran is #1), in mythic raid in top5 too

[@Sairicgameplay]

thats why i like the Shadowlands season 2 / dragonflight affly version with triple seeds doing aoe dam, i really dont like do aoe damage with malefic rapture.. it feels terrible without cds

[@ChristosN420]

So which is the best spec right now? I am really confused

[@whiskybob]

All are viable.

[@ChristosN420]

@ I am between demo and destr what you recommend?

[@whiskybob]

@@ChristosN420 I mean, I prefer destro - that's my personal preference. I find demo to be more prone to awkward moments and weird pet behavior. Also I simply hate axe toss as an interrupt.

[@slugfest513]

Between the two definitely destro.

[@edog551]

@@ChristosN420 destro. demo is bait and harder to play

[@brandonmarchese8447]

Can we get an updated raid video? You’re the best!

[@djstory2001]

ive been cranking with demo this whole time. so the buffs just super nice. just have a destro build to swap to for last boss of SoB. i dont play sunder or invocation instead i do the db sbolt damage amp and the dogs buff for every shard in hand of guldan. the amount of single target you get compared to aoe is a lot. and when you start doing 12s and up the bosses last for a long time lol. i also use the infernal machine in diabolist.

[@rastasplash7334]

So what are the top race options now that dracthyr is apart of the lineup?

[@scummchild]

I love Demo and Destro so don’t get me wrong. I totally hear your points here. Was a little surprised you didn’t touch on the relative mobility between the two. It seemed to be a major issue for Demo (seemed a little too “casty”) unlike Destro with Conflag and SBurn. Did the recent change to Dogs and Cores “fix Demo” in your opinion? Thanks for your thoughts! Appreciate you!

[@nunohenriques2816]

Hey Kala , i know you always said that guilotine is trash, but is currently simming me the highest on m+. What do you think?

[@deesul4134]

Love your content and I appreciate your contribution to the community. Unfortunately do to the amount of frustration and punishment this season I am removing all my subs from my KZbin. I get so much anxiety and frustration from M+ and the 8 +10 keys, 90 crests, and the dozens of hours needed just to have a spot on a raid team or to get into a raid team. Gearing is not enjoyable and I've left a couple guilds just because of how they distribute gear. I spend 20 minutes getting into keys and then they fail. After a couple hours of having other people fail the key I am overwhelmingly frustrated and I cannot outplay other players failures. M+ is too punishing and required too much. I hate spending hours getting no reward every week and then filling my vault just to be disappointed. I need to take a break and I'm removing all my subs just so I dont' get reminded of the game. I'll probably come back when things change, but for now I need to purge this punishing game out of my life. Thank you for all you do big dawg

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

Play other games and de-stress for a while. Gaming should be fun and enjoyable and when it's not it is very good to step out for a while. Hope everything turns out better later so gl and hf 👍🏻

[@williamsheridan5755]

Sounds like demo and destro are very close. How does destro shake out w/o shadowburn?

[@op4gothic]

demo is really good now in m+ im doing 2M overall without externals playing dogs build my dogs do 12% overall

[@ChristosN420]

Demo hellcaller?

[@FirstNullLast]

I have an alt demo warlock it finally feels good. 610 doing like 1.25 m overall compared to the 800-900k I used to pull.

[@patrickdemech8065]

I’ve been waiting for Kala to say this, I kept feeling like I’m just getting more outta demo overall doing keys 10+. Aff and destro feel awkward or just either doing nothing untill cds are back. With demo you can have no cds and still rip 2m + on an average pack. Go into a pull without vile taint or soul Rot and your doing nothing.

[@davidh9227]

I am a demo player, but there are 3 dungeons in this season that I'm not allowed to play in, which is siege, dawn and necrotic wake. Siege, people demand imp on last boss which will not work great with demo. N.wake, 3rd boss is a big problem because the hook still pulls pets even though there was a patch to fix it. Dawn, huge dps loss in the beginning when you travel between ships since you lose all imps when you take off. Sometimes, the imps pulls packs when you flying around the town after 1st boss

[@whiskybob]

Also in Necrotic wake tyrant still sometimes bugs out when you are sent down on the last boss and you have to resummon him.

[@Woelock]

Grim batol for me as well because I feel like most pug tanks I go with skip the sleeping pack and charhound doesnt give a fuck about skipping a sleeping pack lol

[@whiskybob]

@@Woelock Overall charhound is pretty good in ninja pulling. That's another of demos problem. I mean it isnt as bad as pre-fix diabolist spawns at least "randomly placed demon mommy says hi"

[@Bobington11]

​@@WoelockI've had good success dismissing the charhound before running by that sleeping pack. You can right-click the demon timer to get rid of that demon.

[@dspursuer]

still can't return to warlock after playing evoker/mage/literally every other class in the game; not until at the very least hellcaller aff becomes meta, but preferably until aff actually stops being a training ground for sp

[@jerekiviniemi307]

Why is it demo every time maan

[@jon1805]

the more blizz pushes demo, the more i hate it.

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

My mantra since...forever

[@markceballos]

So, according to sims, which one is the better? I can't tell.

[@HDSFATDPS]

Aff and destro, demo is more noob friendly

[@slugfest513]

If you’re doing serious keys Destro or Aff

[@reapercussions8450]

I switched to demo about 3-4 weeks ago in m+ aff just wasn’t feeling right now I’m beating enh shaman in overall in some dungeons feels great to play and overall pumps!

[@Petaxin]

You must have played with some terrible enh shaman they lmao

[@MrWhizy]

Are you guys consistently getting demonic cores from Dreadstalkers? I feel like I have casted dogs multiple times and it still feels like it’s not 100%

[@DukeLetoIII]

Every time. Yep. It's so much now that I almost never have more than a few seconds without cores. Might not be exactly that, but it feels much more consistent.

[@sharkvee]

I'm not. I noticed in raid that it certainly wasn't 100% of the time. It's MORE than before but it isn't every single time like the patch notes say.

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

​@@sharkveeSounds like a bug. Might be good to report it to Blizz..

[@Pahina22]

While not a huge difference, it was always just a matter of time until aff became the worst lock spec once again. I genuinely can't believe it took this long. 20% UA buff was a joke.

[@themearkat]

Demo is definitely my favorite warlock spec. Love to just lineup all the demons and burst.

[@swagbro4292]

now we have to farm haste vers gear ,lets go

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

Haste versa? Is best for which spec?

[@swagbro4292]

@ShadowsOfThePast the wow head guide says its int ,haste vers main stats

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

@swagbro4292 for demo? I haven't played demo so it sounded weird to me 😂 that's why I asked

[@nickeckemoff7631]

Demo works best always for me including dragon isles. It is consistent/predictable to play…can min-max it easier to pull ahead of other specs…less penalty for moving or lag because of pets. Affl has always been pain to play trying to maintain dots. Dest has some satisfying burst, but feels like you’re a gimp mage otherwise…too much reliance on hard casting and being glued to the ground. Despite what sims say, for me demo much higher dps in mythic…just easy mode mindless hand/implosion/dogs alone blows stuff up every pack, with cooldowns just icing on the cake.

[@Padrecala]

for Affli we need 2 charges of vile taint

[@AinekoLP]

Hmmm , if i look the Sims always with Bl but we dont have always BL for m+ :D

[@Miss_Willow]

sims should account for the buff duration of bl. it simply adds the effect of it when you are using all your cooldowns.

[@JinxieDesu]

I don't really like Demo as much as Affliction and it's mostly because of the class/Spec fantasy, but I find myself frustrated very often having to deal with redotting when everything is on CD, might as well not exist when waiting for CD's

[@paulr4378]

Reduce Vile Taint CD please

[@Malavander]

This first pull is always weak as demo since you have to hard generate shards/imps. The NEXT pull is where you pop off because you're flush with imps and cores, with dogs, sunder, a ruination saved up, etc. Been playing demo in M+ the whole time and no one dares to pull that big in 8-10's so it's shorter cd's line up a lot better from pack to pack.

[@Garbage315]

Re-gearing my lock since I picked it up I'm incredibly impressed with the DPS Demo is doing in mid-level keys. Ruination procs and infernal bolt procs can make setting up a tyrant so much smoother.

[@eXpr3s]

Is mechagnome better now then say, orc? bloodmallet shows it better in single target but worse in aoe, my most played activity is m+ aka aoe

[@Miss_Willow]

the real best is dracthyr. wings are the best quality of life. not dieing to knocks offs/fall damage is bis. but really, pick whatever race you want. if you actually look at the numbers on bloodmallet, all races are within 1% of eachother. you can also demonic teleport to mitigate knock offs/fall damage if you have it pre-set up.

[@Eldorante]

Demo instant big pulls are bad (mists at start), demo pack to pack is great. Also you might have to speed up ramp on bosses since many do instant mechanics

[@Eldorante]

Btw give us back aoe doomguard

[@mpthreex]

yeah, i’d rather not play warlock than play demo. pretty easy decision. sick of being forced into it 😂

[@ItsOnlyAdi]

Demonology love about time blizzard

[@TheSimonology]

Demonology overall damage is fine, but the problem with looking at 8 target sims is that realistically in a 8 target pull, most of the time you have one or two priority mobs that need to die, either cause they are more dangerous or because they are vastly more healthy. What happens when you have tons of specs like ret, demo, destro, sv, etc. is that all mobs might take a lot of dmg, but your 8 target 40 second sim is going to in practice be a 8 target 20 second + 1 target 20 second. If you shifted the specs in the key to lets say something like affliction, spriest, and some other single target priority spec - those 8 targets could all be dead in 25, including the really healthy one. So while it is true that this is a bit of a oversimplification and probably extreme example, afflictions overall is not why its the most played warlock spec in high keys, its because its doing the most dmg to the targets that needs to die to speed up the key, while still doing decent overall dmg. I appreciate you talking about demonology, it's a very fun spec to play for the weekly keys. Would love to hear your thoughts on warlock utility in comparison to the other classes/specs that are providing various buffs/debuffs, dispells, etc. How could would it be if amplify curse made your next curse be slightly enhanced but instead of being a targeted ability become an aura on you. I feel like those are creative ways to give warlock cool utility which has some practical meaning with the lack of dmg buffs/debuffs, pi, poisoncleansing, AG/embrace, bl, short kicks, grips, soothes, and many other things. As it's felt the past years warlock has only ever been meta when it's doing absurd damage. I think affli dps profile has helped this but the lack of anything tangiably important makes me feel like I cant invite a warlock the same way I can't a hunter.

[@kekburmanden123]

demo has more prio damage than affli even with UA and haunt.

[@markuslc1888]

i guess most specs cleave from the highest health mob to the small ones, only, especially if you got specs like ret or arcane, who apply a dmg-window debuff, which obviously needs to go on the highest health mob.

[@Bobington11]

Demo doesn't have prio or funnel damage when doing aoe. You're doing mostly the same damage to everything equally

[@Eldorante]

aff only feels good if your tank pulls around your cds and pulls big every other pack, basically never in pugs, in pugs until im finished with sending seed, vile taint etc, the pack is already dead by palas and dks, even on +11

[@jefjon423]

Demo is by far the most fun of the 3 right now

[@chewyy50]

TLDR (in my opinion): demo will do better overall in virtually every dungeon, and has decent prio. Destro has dogshit AoE (apart from NW first pull) but is the best spec in some dungeons like SV due to strong prio and target switching, 2T and execute. Aff is the most balanced overall with strong AoE and strong prio/ST/2T, but the tank needs to chain pull for it to work otherwise you do below tank damage on some pulls. Best spec in the game for last boss Siege. Demo is diabolist. Destro is hellcaller. Aff is soul harvester. This all mostly holds true in lower and higher keys, but demo will be better in low keys generally if you are comfortable with quick tyrant ramps into new packs.

[@sesshoumarusama4]

I really don't understand what they want to do with aff now that hellcaller is available to destro. The shard generation for shard is bad and you need to spend shard just to use seed and vile taint. Feels really bad. While with destro you basically generate shard for free.

[@MrFloof_]

Not a fan of Grimoire: Felguard just because of it being 2 mins CD and being out of sync with everything.

[@Garbage315]

It's funny cause Affliction has a lot of those problems that early DF demo had. Peaks and valleys, when your CD's are up you're god-mode, CD's down - you're utterly useless, not even tank level DPS. And then as you said, the QoL for Affliction is horrid, wonky resource generation, tank chain pulling and making vile taint lose tons of value, etc.. Just fundamentally a poorly designed spec for M+.

[@marcusvalbjrn2738]

Demo is just so boring and have been forced for so many seasons let us play somethign else and be competitive man

[@Saintvengeance522]

PLEASEEE AUTO IMPLODE

[@The0nlyy]

DEMO is eating this season 🍽️

[@randomhuman19]

so based on these recent changes, does you last "how to play demo" still apply? are you going to update it?

[@Daniel06268]

Mythic+ dungeons still only inv shaman, dk.

[@occasionalgoldfish]

11:50 "Mechagnome Destro" MECHAGNOME PLAYERS RISE UP! OUR TIME IS NOW. 🤖

[@lukehaskins8340]

Okay now just make pets reliable in all dungeons

[@Miss_Willow]

demonology lacks the rotational quality of life in my opinion. i mean to each their own, but i hate the fast paced rotation of demo. every other cast you change form a builder to a spender, you build 2 shards with one cast, and spend 3 with one cast. so most the time its (build -> build -> spend). its just such a fast wiplash of shard generation and spending that its not very enjoyable to play for me. for other lock specs, you have at least 5 globals to build, then spend. for demonology you spend 2 globals building, its more than double the pace. i wish they would either make you generate shards slower, or double the shard cap for demonology.

[@_Andael_]

was nice when demo wasn't the best specc for something xD

[@LucFoc]

Demo from my experience of 12-13 sucks and destro currently crushes. Its St is too good to pass in M+

[@mLunleashed]

I will never play Demo!

[@lildeek12GFL]

Why are we only swimming for 8 seconds????

[@ShadowsOfThePast]

/Cast Unending Breath

[@ManaArcana]

So sad to see Aff is lacking. Seems Demo is strong too often in comparison and ever since WoD I've not liked what they've done with demo. I want MoP demo back. Summoning demons is cool and all but the rotation is unforgiving and stationary. I don't want to spend 8 spells to set up tyrants. I hate this meta of lining up 3-4 CD's with each other to maximize damage.

[@richiepipes8960]

Demo sucks to play though. They have no idea what theyre doing w warlock.

[@TheLisknisi]

Great....except dawnbreaker

[@whiskybob]

And Necrotic Wake.

[@Bobington11]

And siege of boralus

[@Phuzzi]

As a pure Demo Lock player; 🥳

[@davidw.5984]

Utility is too bad for high keys. WL will never be meta in title comps unless dmg is busted.

[@vermil4894]

Demonology propaganda