Stealth Dogfight: Talon/UCAV vs Terminator

[@RojOdio]

The more I watch this movie the more I like it. EDI mentions that the chances of survival in a 2 on 1 dogfight are less than 9%, yet is clearly able to outfly those human pilots. EDI lied to Ben - thereby making him complicit in killing the Russian pilots. When EDI remarks that the combat scenario (I couldn't catch it's name) must be real, otherwise "Why would they implant it in my brain?" that's a pretty awesome comment on all military strategy, the training exercise is meant to force hostilities. By being in the area and armed, ostensibly for peaceful purposes (like Ben who was simply trying to guide EDI back to base), you force further hostilities. Guarding EDI so that he wouldn't kill other people forces Ben to kill other people to guard EDI. It's such a good movie that you could read into. Or I'm just reading too much into it.

[@TheFoolishSamurai]

0:52 Most badass missile deploy, ever.

[@verdebusterAP]

you guys do realize that in all honestly if the Talon had taken that many hits from a 30mm cannon, it would have tore his plane apart

[@JustRememberWhoYoureWorkingFor]

In all honestly, the Talon wouldn't have taken so many hits in first place: it's so technologically advanced that it would outrun, outmaneuver and outgun any existing jet of that time

[@thealliedpowers]

1:53 "LET ME SHOW HIM A LITTLE TRICK I LEARNED"

[@thecorknicehero3073]

I’ve never seen any aircraft in my life do such manoeuvre like that. It would be called the 360 degree aerial donut manoeuvre cause it suddenly stalls briefly and turns at a 360 degree circle whilst in the air at low airspeeds at then going back into normal position behind their rival SU-37s.

[@oXKamilXo]

1:56 Russian pilot: WTF Hollywood ?!!

[@patthonsirilim5739]

+oXKamilXo aint that similar the cobra maneuver i thought only the russian jet and the f22 can perform that stunt

[@PoptartzzofGorg]

+oXKamilXo rofl.

[@DualWieldedEggrolls]

Haha, right?

[@malcolm5]

oXKamilXo I know right

[@malcolm5]

oXKamilXo lmao

[@joshuapowell2675]

As an electronic warfare systems technician, it makes me want to vomit hearing him call it "chafe." And there's no reason to release so many flares so quickly. Completely depletes his load in seconds

[@vel0r1ng]

because there was no way he could survive, the terminator was very close and could launch those missiles at any moment

[@joshuapowell2675]

+escapeartist yeah but they don't get launched preemptively. They're launched upon missile launch. IR missiles typically have passive scanning meaning they themselves pick up the IR signature, not the plane launching them. As far as radar-guided missiles, they'd have to be the variant relying on active radar being broadcast from the plane for a preemptive release of chaff to have any sort of effect. That also means the trailing enemy plane would have to maintain a radar lock to "guide" the missile

[@joshuapowell2675]

+escapeartist Really wish I could post a diagram for you to explain it, but if you look up "semi-active radar homing", you'll see what I mean about that being the only radar-guided missile affected by an early chaff release

[@jeremymendoza1465]

Not to mention the 3-4 30mm rounds that were put into the Talons wing. Would've destroyed it in real life.

[@JustRememberWhoYoureWorkingFor]

@@jeremymendoza1465 the Talon is fictional and technologically it's way more advanced than any other jet existing at the time, so maybe it's also made of an extra strong material.

[@azzameentv]

As great as this film is for plane porn, this is one of the biggest plot holes of the movie. It's never addressed that an American drone and an American pilot kill a bunch of Russian pilots without any consequences. Hell, there's a media shitstorm every time a Russian aircraft merely crosses a national border. Same goes for the bunch of farmers killed and North Koreans. The ending just ends as "The drone is dead, hundreds are dead, we've created a diplomatic incident with Russian, and obliterated the Korean DMZ.... but as long as we have a funeral for Jamie Foxx, the American, all is well."

[@garrickanderson4533]

+Aaron Brudenell Well EDI is still active at the end of the credits one of his optics comes on

[@black-lungmorgan8343]

Aaron Stealth 2 : World War 3

[@ammarmuslim9918]

Fucking Shit...

[@omanhaddadtbh]

Because in that sphere of time the Russian armed forces weren’t even half as capable as they definitely are today. And North Korea was absolutely posturing then, unlike now where it’s grown some fangs

[@smoketinytom]

@@omanhaddadtbh This comment aged badly. Not the intent, just the intelligence gathered and the actions to date.

[@alexlam5772]

Has any one thought that the Talon has a very bad rear visibility, plus the lack of thrust vectoring, makes it a difficult plane to use in an actual dogfight?

[@pteronoid]

+Alex Lam so true! when i modeled Talon and EDI, i have found so many issues with these designs. they look cool, but functional? i don't think so.

[@Stazzo82]

All pure stealth airplan are Flying wing or tailless, otherwise radar can see it, but airplane in flying wing or tailess has low maneuverability

[@Christopher0184]

Actually, tailless aircraft are inherently unstable, which is exactly why, if it didn't have a computer constantly making hundreds of tiny, tiny corrections every seconds, the B-2A Sprit would all out of the sky like a brick.

[@nitroxide11]

I'm surpised that when the Talon and UCAV first merged with the Sukhois, they weren't firing Sidewinder, Archers, 20mm and 30mm rounds at each other like crazy. They had like five seconds to do so.

[@JustRememberWhoYoureWorkingFor]

You mean when they go head on?

[@Utubesuperstar]

@@JustRememberWhoYoureWorkingFor it’s called a merge

[@prodigy-hu6dy]

This movie was insulting Russia, 1. The Su-37 is a single seat fighter(guess we needed to make Russia seem several decades behind) 2. Russia had Su-47 stealth jets when this movie was made. I guess we can't depict Russia with stealth jets that have forward swept wings...

[@mohamadokab8749]

prodigy 1691 the su-47 was an experimental design i think. never produced.

[@prodigy-hu6dy]

So was the Su-37. Both were built but not in service

[@tyvernoverlord5363]

prodigy 1691 Su-35UB to be exact, two seater of the early 90's canard Su-35 prototype... As for the Su-47, you do realize it was only ever a 90's era technology demonstrator right? Never will be or has ever been part of the Russian Air Force

[@prodigy-hu6dy]

The su-35 is in service however. I'm saying that the su-37 is not in service. If they used that one. It wouldn't hurt to use the Su-47

[@prodigy-hu6dy]

Also the 47 was introduced in 2000

[@skeve613]

This must be where the DFM Dogfight Mode nonsense in Ace Combat Assault Horizone came from. Great in a movie, but not so much in a video game.

[@mercedesbenz3021]

+skeve613 Watch this with the volume reduced with the final theme [Zero] from AC Zero playing in another tab. It is literally beyond awesome.

[@milescooper717]

+skeve613 I liked the DFM, I believe ACAH serves better as more of an interactive movie with stunning visuals. But gameplay wise, ACAH isn't the best in my book either...

[@JustRememberWhoYoureWorkingFor]

I have only played a few Ace Combat games (one or two in PlayStation 2, Skies of Deception in the first PSP, and the one for Xbox 360), and my favourite one was the PSP one.

[@bamarine247]

*Hostile 6 o'clock, Hostile 6 o'clock, Missile Lock, Missile Lock* Goddamn, how early into this fight would I have put a fist through the computer screen.

[@simplyrealistc1232]

It’s a shame the Su37 didn’t make it into production in real life, it’s like my favourite plane. But it’s nice to see a modernised double seater version of it in this movie.

[@Drenix]

EDI: Then if it's not real, why did they implanted it in my brain? Talon 1: They didnt, it was a troyan from some music you've dowloaded!

[@raptorphantom9996]

😆😆😆

[@CountArtha]

So the Talon had its afterburner on chasing the UCAV...I always wondered how the Russians even closed to visual range without getting splashed.

[@beeter3588]

Killing the 8492: I’m fine with that. Killing yellow squadron: Buddy, you have gone too far.

[@sidd0123]

@farboudnazeri Thanks for the compliment, being awkward is better than being all the same. But you are right, both nations are beginning to become allies and as for Talon 1 is is an American twin-engine supersonic jet trainer, not the Su-47.

[@Drenix]

My favorite scene is where EDI counters the missile with a missile.

[@scarecrow108productions7]

It was like a reference to Red. Bullet hits RPG

[@Drenix]

@@scarecrow108productions7 Was it? Cos Stealth came years before (although I have no idea when the comic/graphic novel RED was based on came out)

[@vinibob333]

If I am not mistaken, that dude with glasses from the U.S command gave their Stealth signature to the Russians for them to do his dirty work. Since the UCAV was rogue, he wanted the Russians to finish the UCAV and Talon 1, making it easier for him to escape the situation of an unmanned drone gone insane Besides, only Russian Sukhois would be match for those US fighters

[@Utubesuperstar]

Stealth signature lmao that’s what they say but it is so so wrong stealth just means you’re really small on radar there’s no signatures

[@sidd0123]

@rexregum Actually, they are using 2 PDWEs which are Pulse Detonation Wave Engines, experimental as of right now, but powerful enough to propel a craft with the proper designs to mach 5.

[@verdebusterAP]

@Frostbite249 ,actually we can, during the movie, jessica biel's plane was damaged from when jamie foxx plane was destroyed, which pretty means that if that can easily damage her plane, then direct fire from a 30mm , in this case 6 or 7 hits nope, not a chance

[@Ribbon118]

How it feels when you unlock the Special plane one ace combat

[@shabdikacharyya2516]

for a real fight between the talon and the su 37 the pilots in the talon would be shiting their pants

[@slider903]

Absolutely. The su 37 is lethal in all aspects.

[@Utubesuperstar]

Lmao nah

[@NexAngelus405]

I think that it would most likely be buckypaper, which is a paper-like carbon composite made from flattened carbon nanotubes. They are 500 times stronger than steel in terms of impact tolerance and are heatproof as well.

[@UNpilot15]

EDI: The if it's not real, why did they implant it in my brain? Ben (Talon 1): To give you something to do on a rainy day!

[@thomasjcox]

I want the Talen to be real.

[@slider903]

su-47

[@AFRICAJOHNSON1978]

Thomas Cox I want EDI

[@justinball2250]

@@slider903 dislike. It’s a yf23

[@slider903]

@@justinball2250 Not even close to that. Su 47. Look it up.

[@justinball2250]

@@slider903 if you think that looks like a berkut, you’re high on acid. It’s a Soviet era prototype. The talon is a slightly modified yf23. Look at the overall shape. They just modified the wing sweep, which is the only thing it has in common with the berkut.

[@productNine]

@ANimouz True, a Gsh-30-1 cannon is said to be able to down an F-15 of F-16 is as few as four or five hits, but in the movie the Talon is a hypersonic capable fighter, meaning it's made of some very tough stuff. My qualms are 1) why didn't the Russian cannon rounds explode on impact (they using training ammo or something? and 2) the bullet hit in a straight line... which would never happen. They sure did some homework though. The Terminator is the proposed 2-seat variant for sale by Sukhoi.

[@Jezzabri]

I know this is an incredibly bad movie but the action, music and sound effects are pretty good. Especially the whole crazy ridiculously impossible flip he does at 2:32 hah

[@TotallyAnnihilated]

That Talon SURE was some hot stuff... but what fireworks will ensue if it faces... the X-49 NightRaven?!

[@RIP_Sloucher]

i like the motorcycle sounds at 1:55

[@jesser5127]

1:54 Random street hot rod sound like it is doing a donut on pavement...heck, even the movie made it seem that way in the air. Pretty unrealistic.

[@verdebusterAP]

it calculated that Su-37s with 3D TVC and boresight weapons like the R-73 would be able to destroy EDI has nothing but AIM-120s and guns, no sidewinders

[@xS1l3ntN1nja]

and the Su-37s in the movie are two-seaters, the one real Su-37 is a single seater

[@Dragon029]

Not really, an aircraft can be made out of titanium and super glue and still be stealthy, all it takes is some consideration to shape during designing and a coat of RAM, etc. I'd hate to imagine how expensive the Talon's would be but seeing as there was only ever 3 I could estimate each would cost about a billion. (Cost estimates of the materials for a carbon nanotube space elevator were about $10 Billion).

[@willwarden2603]

UCAV needs 45 days of restriction and reassignment to 1st Lieutenant Division focusing on cleaning the head for insubordination!

[@ElianoBiques]

Everybody needs to understand that this movie is a pure fiction made for those don't know nothing about jet figters.

[@VF1Skullangel]

Man they had troubles with those Terminators where giving them a serious run for their money so I could only imagine what a Raptor would do.

[@derelictanimation5405]

Actually, all of these maneuvers that are pulled in this movie are all very probable, even as unrealistic as it seems. An unmanned aircraft can pull maneuvers incredibly more intense without the need for a pilot. The flip that the fa/37 does at 2:32 is also very possible as forward swept wings allow for hyper maneuverability. The whole flip routine can be done by many Russian aircraft, with normal swept back wings. Forward swept wings can allow for even more intense maneuvers. Physics baby.

[@nothingtoseehere1221]

And the UCAV is capable of hovering making it more capable of otherwise unnatural maneuvers

[@vtec8000xrpm]

That's kind of saddening. The overly-advanced UCAV and Talon violated Russian air space and imposed an imminent threat to the civilians on ground. SU-35 pilots did what any nation's pilots would do, defend their homeland. I don't find it badass these two advanced american jets boasting their power over the world. Anyways, just a movie but I wouldn't be surprised something like this were to ever happen soon/before.

[@MardenZengar]

Shooting 1st and say hello after is not defending the homeland.

[@vtec8000xrpm]

If someone who is armed and dangerous broke into your window instead of knocking on your door.. and is already inside your wife's bedroom.. you mean to say shooting the intruder isn't defending your home?

[@MardenZengar]

Jan Petrov Now imagine this guy who broke in was armed was a cop pursuing a suspect. You just killed an innocent man.

[@Utubesuperstar]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂this comment aged so poorly

[@romkagg6076]

1:44 Цель готова к поражению. Cel gotova k porajeniuy. The target is ready for defeat.

[@Philip02K]

Ucav did not know it was a drill at first

[@productNine]

You do realize the Su-37 isn't a production fighter and only 2 total have been created, right? It's a demonstrator. If it went into production, there would most likely be a 2-seat variant.

[@janhelebrant6862]

I know this movie is stupid in some aspects but I really liked the design of the Talon aircraft and EDI. Some time ago I saw landing of Northrop Grumman X-47B on a aircraft carrier. It was classic landing - not VTOL but I immediately remembered UCAV EDI from Stealth.

[@janhelebrant6862]

Dmitri Kozlowsky thanks for info. Found some pics here: tagseeworld.blogspot.cz/2010/11/fa-37-talon-real-or-fake.html and compared it with en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northrop_Switchblade and it is really similar.

[@sidd0123]

@B777LR Usually, the have a few planes on stand-by not the entire air force.

[@joshgarza4627]

in reality how can talon see the SU-37 his entire rear view is blocked

[@dragonage200]

They have tiny "rear-view mirrors" in the cockpit

[@scarecrow108productions7]

@Dmitri Kozlowsky i think you're right. They might have DAS (Distributive Aperture System). Like the F-35 does. Their HMDS are connected to DAS so they can see through the cockpit.

[@marsmartin9694]

The terminators would’ve been scrambled well before the talon and EDI entered Russian airspace. Not to mention that Russia would’ve have let these pilots live.

[@vinibob333]

You are actually right, It has been a long time since I've watched the movie, But I can remember that that guy with the glasses was trying to get rid of a rogue drone and a witnessing pilot, since the other one died in the canyon and the girl had crashed in North Korea and would soon be dead! That murrican was trying to save his ass, and he gave the Russians the opportunity to shoot down American fighter jets, get it?

[@donkeyknight1453]

trick learned from red tail?

[@Littlered188]

@sidd0123 The kulbit is not a physically impossible manuever it has been first preformed by the su-37 in real life at an airshow in the 1900's

[@Dragon029]

Quite true although I wouldn't be surprised if the Talons' skins were made of interweaved carbon nanotubes due to there only being 3 XD

[@DarkPrinceNH5570]

ya its scifi kinda. People don't like this type of stuff I know. You like the thrust vectoring? Its actually possible to do that in the sky. That whole 180 or full 360 turn.

[@DreamTraveller1]

That's if Talon 1 went alone. Hence, "we must fight as a team".

[@jorgecosta95]

@ANimouz You are right , but here the USAF planes are a lot better, prototipes in this case , and the SU-37 is a 16 yo plane.

[@ahmadshasha3632]

Thats a damn beautifull aircraft.....i mean the terminator....

[@CmdrTobs]

What I think is lulz is the non-thrust vectoring fictional US navy plane does the short cobra type loop manoeuvre against the Su-37.....

[@tieradlerch.217]

This film actually contain 3d scene flexes

[@Kupferstecher2007]

ah k i meant that the su-37 terminator was a prototype for new technology :D .the russians had only one su-37 and it crashed 2002...i meant the su-35 is the serial version :)

[@pacpac9686]

im not russia , byt in all movie american you see how easy american soldier beat russian troop

[@phoenixedits8960]

propoganda mate

[@ArakanBathumalai]

American bullshit

[@topchingon]

We're the best, mate...

[@Loli_Lovers]

Yap propaganda

[@chadlanger6409]

im sure its vice versa in other countries

[@SilverandButters]

I wonder how the battle would've went with HMCS

[@verdebusterAP]

@Rabbitz106 ,there could be armor there but again, nothing that could stand that many direct hits

[@whitelazer5809]

real jet fighters vs space toys

[@kyrved7204]

great quality

[@kirkjamestkirk]

funny dog fight but the director used a L-39 cockpit instead of the original Su-37. It's a shame! LOL (like F-5 instead of migs in top gun)

[@MrFakis123]

In the English voice acting, the pilot says "two Russian SU-37 Terminator", and in the Russian voice acting "two North Korean SU-37 Terminator"

[@gibbs-13]

this is the best STEALTH clip on youtube. other videos are always with some crappy shit music as fuck.

[@Chino56751]

If Gannon had just turned back..the Ruskies wouldn't have seen him. He is flying a steal plane, after all.

[@kay-arproductions767]

Anyone know what the pilot is saying at 1:44 ??? Translation plz.

[@sidd0123]

@verdebusterAP Yea, but we keep forgetting that it's hollywood. As most, 1-3 shots in none vital areas are most that a plane can take.

[@FibrousLlama]

@bloodtarkovsky yeah. the russian pilot should have fired short range missiles but he only fired the cannon. and btw its 30mm cannon :D

[@Malodorok]

Ridiculous. Two American warplanes over Lake Baikal would invite a massive VVS response, not two planes.

[@Chino56751]

Talons mopped the floor !

[@nitroxide11]

Anyone else wonder about the fourth enemy plane? I noticed this the first time I watches this film years ago.

[@DaBombWoT]

Is there some mutual agreement or law that restricts dogfighters to shoot at each other heading straight on ? :P

[@productNine]

@BusinessKi11ER Ever see a -37 do a kulbit with full loads of fuel and weapons?

[@Jayjet777]

Those weren't su-37s. Those were su-30MKI

[@lando8913]

I guess gloc doesn't exist in this world, lol.

[@sidd0123]

@lagendarock92 The movies name is called Stealth

[@SentinelEx]

Can someone please tell me the Music playing during this scene?

[@llynellyn]

LMAO, we are only 21st century superjets, the chances of beating a pair of prototypes from 1996 in single combat are less than 9% who made the talon/EDI skoda?

[@abbasisof3127]

Very cool

[@ChevronDanbira]

@nadoeloiskat These prototype planes have the experimental SCRAM jet engines wich can reach up to speeds of mach 15

[@uhmidk7]

now if only the talon switchblade had thrust vectoring

[@komitadjie]

Aaaaaand 1 of 10 for even the vaguest form of realism. lol

[@Xenocidal]

So, if they were Su-47's EDI and Talon 1 would have been SOL. D:

[@rexregum]

@CmdrTobs it's called the magic of CGI... personally do you seriously think we're gonna see any kinda of these aircraft anytime soon given previous projects were so incredibly expensive and yet to be exploited fully?

[@DarkPrinceNH5570]

Chances of survival is less than 9%. I guess that's pretty bad.

[@snakevenom56]

have any of you heard of the X-29? from what i've heard at the air and space museum, one of the three computers on it can fly the plane by itself

[@nnteslann8916]

30mm HE cannon do neat holes, 20mm HE gatling cannon blow up jet after 3 hits...

[@winterfan3336]

2:33 holy SHIT

[@AnujKumar-fd2wf]

Is talon have hypersonic capability??

[@isabelle2670]

and eddy saves the day once more :)

[@johnoldfield2805]

Who honestly has time to go and downgrade the video quality options?

[@pekau]

I don't know Russian, but they probably said something like this: WTF, fighters cannot just stop spontaneously and make 360 turns when they're at full speed. Still, the action scenes were solid. Plot was mediocre but watchable. Romance was cheesy, but it really deserved more compared to other films with better financial record.

[@nitroxide11]

Anyone ever wonder what the hell happened to the fourth Sukhoi???

[@PoptartzzofGorg]

indeed it is, nice spotting. /cheers

[@ПациентНезависимый]

IRL SU-27 destroy American plane in a seconds

[@hungla3159]

Su-35s like toys...easy to destroy...That's unreal !!!

[@sidd0123]

@airsoftguy85rocks Depends on the type of plane and pilot.

[@MrStrielok]

Whats the name of this song ?

[@fallschirmjager1]

This movie was unrealistic in the fact that the Russian jets where even able to take off without mechanical failures....