Stealth Nerf, Gas Mines, Illuminate Teasers, and the DSS is secretly Hindering us in Helldivers 2

[@HitthaChoint420]

The DSS holding us back isn't a secret. We're paying resources and still somehow losing ground...

[@roar104]

Just look at the people who only follow it and don't finish any planets

[@HitthaChoint420]

Don't get me started on the lack of cohesion and/or player agency... Catch me on HD1 mainly until they figure out how to stop people from quitting the game LOL

[@R4idenXS]

DSS isn't a problem. People blaming the DSS are the problem. Otherwise before the DSS we would be losing everything. Life is the same post DSS

[@Rosa_0000]

​@@OccasusRaven people who keep playing something they're not enjoying are just plain stupid.

[@HitthaChoint420]

​@@OccasusRaven Say what?? Show me on the doll where my comment says ANYTHING ABOUT CHANGES, lol The DSS is a ripoff 💯 They should have kept the Planetary Bombardment in it's original form, made it blaze through planets for the beating we took and moved the story forward... Instead, it's a resource sink that is actively working against us, the players... Go on somewhere with whatever argument you're trying to make 🚶🚶‍♀️🚶‍♂️

[@InquisitorFrost]

Big patch? My brother Diver... they are getting ready to announce their two month Christmas break!

[@Hydallion]

Swedes very rarely takes two months off during Christmas time. We have a right to a total of 25 paid vacation days per year, which is good, don't get me wrong, but most use the majority of those vacation days during the summer break. Since we live in the part of the world we do, most swedes really want to get the most out of summer that we can. Some swedes take a couple of days to a week for some winter activities and very rarely much more.

[@InquisitorFrost]

@Hydallion Twas Sarcasm, but hey, don't mind learning new stuff.

[@BouncingTribbles]

​@@InquisitorFrost taking a week off for Christmas hardly seems like something to be hyperbolic about.

[@InquisitorFrost]

@BouncingTribbles Agree to disagree.

[@handlesrstupid123]

​@@Hydallion damn 25 days, I have never gotten PTO in my life

[@shawnmclaughlin7418]

At any given point there's 50 to 60 videos about hell divers and you're the only one who gets to the damn point thank you my friend you're probably the only reason I keep playing this game

[@reaper_exd7498]

He only keeps playing cuz he's corners himself into this game solely. Now he needs it to succeed regardless of what the studio wants lol which the studio clearly wants a slow and low burn fail rate so they can troll the players. It's clear that's what AH wants to do now. Trickle out less and less with more and more promises of "we're cooking" "it's something we're discussing." "We're looking into discussions of it" They dont care anymore and wont unless the players keep forcing then to. Which will be a sad process of everyone quits for two to three months while AH figures out their crap. Then we play for two months to only go back on strike cuz they dont wanna learn. Hence why i quit three weeks before the DSS launched. Im not gonna get involved in that crap. Now im in the bleachers hoping things change but im about to walk from the stadium and dont look back cuz AH and glazers are destroying this game and it's community forums

[@shilombaba]

@@reaper_exd7498 You should talk to a specialist bruv, you're very dark

[@gamingsongs-pd7xu]

When the mines were given for free I actually surprisingly liked them. They're extremely good for retreating away from a patrol of bots especially when overlooked by something like an auto cannon sentry. They cover a massive area and last long enough to be useful multiple times for longer missions. I have not tried them on the bug side but I've made great use of them on the bots front.

[@clnetrooper]

A few gas grenades work wonderfully too and that's not a stratagem slot. Not to deny mines but you get my point.

[@gamingsongs-pd7xu]

@clnetrooper true. My favorite thing about the mines though is how massive an area they cover and they can be deployed preemptively. There's enough mines to catch multiple patrols at multiple points in the mission. And you can deploy them quite often meaning massive areas can be denied quite quickly. I had most success on wide and open maps where I could best utilize my counter sniper and AMR against the gassed enemies from hundreds of meters.

[@handlesrstupid123]

Mines always feel like the best breakaway strat from enemies. That cooldown though, what is that like 3 gatling barrages.

[@BackwardsPancake]

If you want to zone out enemies as you retreat, why not just use the orbital gas strike instead? Same effect, but it comes down faster and cools down faster, and it's easier to use offensively when you need to.

[@gamingsongs-pd7xu]

@@BackwardsPancake You can deploy it preemptively and run through it when you need a quick out. It lasts for longer due to the staggered nature of the mines going off, and it can be effective multiple times if you have a turret overwatching the mines to kill the enemies. The gas mines cover a *huge* area compared to the other minefields from what I can tell. It also can't miss really. With a gas strike you might mess up the throw, you might get staggered/knocked by an explosion, or you could just miss in general. The gas mines won't go off without the enemies actually hitting them.

[@martalindimaitar]

I still do not understand AH’s insistence on not being more clear with the information both in-game and in their patch notes. I can excuse lore-based things being ambiguous, but information that is critical to our performance and enjoyment of the game should not be withheld to nearly the same degree as it is. Sure not everyone will look at that information or understand it, but that is not a good reason either and says to the rest of us that “it’s not worth the effort it people just won’t read it”.

[@Hydallion]

I believe they have a misguided philosophy that says players don't care about "unnecessary" information, which says a lot about how they approach things. Shams Jorjani have especially shared some opinions that shines a light on how the management view gamers: that gamer's think they know what they want, but that they (Developers) know better. Which is just horse shit, of course.'

[@iancharless]

why can you not understand, it's simple. They are completely disorganized over at AH and are using severely outdated engine that doesn't have the power to run the graphics and everything else. So it takes them forever to deal with the development because it's always 2 steps forward and 1 step back. They don't play test worth a damn. They don't have an actual direction or flow of the game because it got too big for their britches. The game is a mess and has no actual direction in what we are doing. They haven't come up with any new actual missions since launch. They turned the planetary modifiers into the DSS and it took them over two months, it came out broke and we couldn't even go inside it. I haven't had faith in AH since March. The social menu is still a mess and that's is something that should never been an issue as a online coop multiplayer game. I could go on but this isn't surprising. I used to get hyped until i realized new content always came with a more broken game. So every new content release needs another month or more for it to actual be playable.

[@reaper_exd7498]

Could it be the horde of glazers who gave AH the perspective that no road map and no info was better cuz "muh suprised pikachu face will be betta!". That was the glazers argument. Well now AH gave what ya'll asked for lol. Monkeys paw guys. Learn the lesson and/or quit playing HD2.

[@Doc_Paradox]

They said it before they don't want metas so like most Devs they try to hide stats and changes from us so that we don't all gravitate to one thing. All I can understand the sentiment. It just leads to an incredibly frustrating game experience because I have no idea what's working or how to make it work. Gamers will always find the most efficient way to do things while people who want to have fun will have fun. They need to stop concerning themselves with how players play the game and how to make the game better instead. Because right now all they're doing is fighting us and impeding our progress just to make us play the way they want.

[@gothicpando]

They tryin to be darksouls. They aint.

[@nickeIdime]

So they nerfed one of our most useful boosters simply to get rid of a strategy that was already pretty much useless and only used for fun.... I'm genuinely baffled how Arrowhead managed to actually create a game that's as good as Helldivers when this is their team's decision making skills

[@shazbot316]

Especially with fans bitching about every little thing and not just enjoying their video games.

[@BackwardsPancake]

Sadly, this is definitely a pattern with them. It's like that time when they completely crippled hellpod steering and also introduced a whole bunch of jank into how and where the stratagem balls can stick, just to stop people from camping on unreachable high ground (which was cheesy but also completely pointless as a strategy in practice, since enemies respawn infinitely, you don't get any reward for farming kills, and you need to move to do objectives).

[@bonehed1]

@@shazbot316 The fans complain because they love the game but it has so much wasted potential and Arrowhead frequently does things that make the game worse, rather than better. They have made many, MANY choices that deserve criticism, and we already know with the 60 day plan patches that if we make our voices heard loud enough, we will get the changes that we want and that the game needs. People like you, who say "shut up and just enjoy things," are the reason why movies and AAA video games have declined in quality over the last decade. You should expect better from things you spend your money on.

[@shazbot316]

@@bonehed1 @bonehed1 Yes they're a developer and things won't be perfect. People like me quietly support what they like and don't support what they don't. We leave the space available for actual ideas and progress instead of bitching about every little thing about the best game that's come out in years. We know what it takes to execute at this high of a level and realize nothing is perfect. We enjoy the PRIVILEGE of getting to play something this wonderful. Nitpickers like you make it impossible to achieve goals and turn off other folks on the game, reducing the longevity of the product. Even newcomers see the negativity and crying about minor things that are exaggerating the issue and may be turned off from the game. I don't think all the people crying realize what it takes to deliver something of this caliber with all the moving pieces. The magnitude of this game is beastly and if one strategem gets broken now and then it ain't no big deal. But so many people feel so entitled without having zero clue what goes into making these sorts of things. The constant bitching and moaning really makes it unfun for the rest of us, and probably for the developers as well. So you crying about everything is actually hurting this legendary game and honestly there aren't many like it out there and may not be. We got Arrowhead who actually listens to their supporters working their asses off fixing everything but y'all don't GAF when billion dollar corporations release the same game every year with a new paint job... and happily pay for the season passes too. Stop kicking the little guy just cause they actually listen. And WTF are you talking about anyways... People complain nonstop about every movie and TV show out there. There's entire subreddits and KZbin pages dedicated to complaining about every new movie adaptation that comes out justified or not, it doesn't change the studios' mind. The crying only makes things worse in the long run. Stops the natural progress that would have occurred otherwiwe. The only way you should be complaining is with your dollars. Leave the space for actual discussion and creativity. Just my two cents.

[@shazbot316]

​@@bonehed1 Yes they're a developer and things won't be perfect. People like me quietly support what they like and don't support what they don't. We leave the space available for actual fun ideas and thoughtful progressiveness instead of bitching about every little thing about the best game that's come out in years. We know what it takes to execute at this high of a level and realize nothing is perfect. We enjoy the PRIVILEGE of getting to play something this wonderful. Nitpickers like you make it impossible to achieve goals and turn off other folks on the game, reducing the longevity of the product. Even newcomers see the negativity and crying about minor things that are exaggerating the issue and may be turned off from the game. I don't think all the people crying realize what it takes to deliver something of this caliber with all the moving pieces. The magnitude of this game is beastly and if one strategem gets broken now and then it ain't no big deal. But so many people feel so entitled without having zero clue what goes into making these sorts of things. The constant bitching and moaning really makes it unfun for the rest of us, and probably for the developers as well. So you crying about everything is actually hurting this legendary game and honestly there aren't many like it out there and may not be. We got Arrowhead who actually listens to their supporters working their asses off fixing everything but y'all don't GAF when billion dollar corporations release the same game every year with a new paint job... and happily pay for the season passes too. Stop kicking the little guy just cause they actually listen. And WTF are you talking about anyways... People complain nonstop about every movie and TV show out there. There's entire subreddits and KZbin pages dedicated to complaining about every new movie adaptation that comes out justified or not, it doesn't change the studios' mind. The crying only makes things worse in the long run. Stops the natural progress that would have occurred otherwise. The only way you should be complaining is with your dollars. Leave the space for actual discussion and creativity. Just my two cents.

[@Reldaz]

If the reason our vitality booster got nerfed truly was to fix the heavy armor gas bug, that is some low-rent, second-rate problem-solving on AH's part. That's like duct taping a truck's tailgate closed. It certainly is in line with my opinion of AH as of late, though. I just don't think they're very smart.

[@panachevitz]

Or they could have just left it alone and said, yeah, it's heavy armor, you can tank gas with it. Go forth, my walking warcrime!

[@IRON_KING_KNIGHT]

@@panachevitz Tsk tsk tsk…. No fantasy is allowed ☝️🤓

[@panachevitz]

@@IRON_KING_KNIGHT Oh, shucks, you guys never let me have any fun. *kicks rock* ☹

[@doctorhealsgood5456]

it costs 400 SC WHY i can't be invincible to gas with it

[@HeadCannonPrime]

I don't think they are very good developers honestly. Their success was a happy accident. It's taken them 4 months to set up a stream ffs!

[@foorman2837]

Its kinda sad to see the discord basically begging for ANY information and the CMs are like: we are cooking bruv

[@reaper_exd7498]

They're always "cooking". And all that ever comes out are scraps and wrong orders. They need to change or they're done.

[@foorman2837]

@reaper_exd7498 sadly its kinda even a little bit worse today Sephez(dev) was in the discord saying yea we know we need to do more coms but we also want to keep stuff secret and do a lot of meetings on the matter...im sorry after a freaking YEAR you dnt have this shit figured out at all the discord is raging for the last 3 weeks straight and theres no info comming tommorow confirmed by Baskinator. If AH wants to keep stuff secret cool but if all is secret it just seems obfuscated because there is really not much there to begin with

[@HitthaChoint420]

Talkin about sandwich an shit cuz they got nothing new... Discord has hurt the game more than it will EVER help it...

[@foorman2837]

@@HitthaChoint420 i dont think the discord is inherently bad for the game its still at least a place for the interested majority to put out their feelings... what is hurting the game tho is CMs not having any info to share and with that they mostly seem either uninterested or out of touch, which for some is definitely true (mostly the support team imho doesent do shit and b-vitamin is straight up toxic little something) but its not true for most baskinator at least tries to say something eventhough she basically cant say anything, losing twinbeard was a blow and a half saldy

[@maiy8786]

Yeah they're cooking alright. The most heinous slop known to man.

[@franklinclinton3211]

i love the DSS, its so much fun ONE day a week when eagle storm is active, what an amazing addition to the game, very much lived up to its potential.

[@HeadCannonPrime]

But only if the major order target actually shows up as an option.😅

[@Florkl]

Stealth nerfs destroy trust, and there isn’t much trust left to destroy. Trust takes more than 60 days to rebuild, even if it can be lost again in a single patch. Actually the obvious lack of testing for the DSS is what lost most of my trust that had rebuild after the 60 days, but this stealth nerf is really not encouraging me to go back. Especially since not taking gas damage is not a serious issue. It tells me that Arrowhead’s priorities still need work.

[@kamingleung3792]

and even sadder, they dont care because we already paid

[@ZetaArcticana4006]

Figuring out the bombardment impact modifier shenanigans at 1 in the morning with the discord was quite an experience.

[@reclhoss]

Every time I check "Helldivers Companion" at least 30% of the divers are on bug planets. I don't think we are going to win anymore MOs Bot-side. There just aren't enough players. Adding a 3rd enemy will just make sure we never win anything but Bug MOs. They need to make massive changes to lessen the requirements to win, or give incentives to participate. I have no actual reason to participate in MOs. I do it for the lore. Bots and Bugs are both still fun to me. I go where we are told.

[@shrouded8797]

I am a bit worried what will happen with a third faction diverting attention.

[@gothicpando]

@@shrouded8797 Game will die I guess?

[@2DEKAY]

Turbo nerds when they see people just playing the game for fun:

[@rory2094]

@@2DEKAY low tier rage bait

[@GamerSingularity]

So 30% is enough to lose but 70% isn't enough to win?

[@Ace11Sky]

The vehicle update could be neat as a permanent community goals (as in outside of major orders) to liberate specific planets for specific vehicles. Especially if it's liberate X planet to permanently unlock a APC, holding the planet reduces its cool-down by 50%. We need more planets that give actual tactical benefits outside of just where we can fight.

[@BackwardsPancake]

My problem with the vehicles is that they mostly seem like a gimmick that isn't actually all that effective or efficient as a use for your stratagem slots - Kind of like the exosuits ended up working. It will probably be even worse with larger vehicles, since the maps we have right now are designed to be playable on foot first and foremost. So you'd only want to bring these things on the more open maps, but you can't know that you're going to one in advance since AH doesn't seem to like the idea of giving away information about the mission (aside from a very generalized map projection that doesn't meaningfully showcase the terrain).

[@shilopnamreg6468]

@@BackwardsPancakemechs and vehicles were goated in the first game, they COULD definitely be useful and compatible with HD2, the problem is these clown devs don’t know how to do anything right. Just like they screwed up mechs by making them brittle as hell, and they still haven’t added the best mech, the one from HD1 with an AT gun and flamethrower!

[@princefarron5484]

The pros of the new gas mines: I don't die when my friends throw them around me. I don't die when I accidentally stepped on one due to color blindness. Downside to the new mines: the enemies don't die when they step on them. Honestly this checks.

[@Lazarultos]

The enemy doesnt die immediately, but they FULLY STOP attacking you and your team while they slowly choke to death. I've seen the gas mines completely halt a bug breach swarm on difficulty 8 and my kill counter go up to 30-40 in one go. All we had to do was pick off the Titans and Chargers with EATs and RR rounds. And we even had time to shoot the smaller survivors with nothing else big around, and we still had some un-detonated gas mines left over after all of that carnage.

[@jareds_inferno]

Totally agree on the Eagle Strafe, I too now bring it on every single bot mission, along with eagle smoke.

[@jareds_inferno]

Except eradicates 😂

[@angrymnky]

HEY! Those gas mines are super fun and pretty effective on bugs. Mines do need a shorter cool down though. The long c/d is the only reason I don't use them.

[@ryanlink8699]

@@angrymnky they’re ass. Like all gas effects

[@Dehneh1863]

but they last the entire mission which partially makes up for the cooldown. I like to fortify the extraction as soon as i drop and any time i happen to run by it. I only use them on solo dives though.

[@binging3999]

@@Dehneh1863 Lasting the entire mission doesn't make up for their 2 min CD. How often are you in the same spot in a mission that isnt defend the OBJ? Unless you are literally camping extract and throwing mines down when its off CD the entire mission. Lets not forget either that not every map is a canyon filled with chokepoints, many maps are just flat plains with occasional elevation changes. I think 60-90 seconds would be perfect and fit in as an in universe funny too (civilian colony settlers getting popped by leftover mines because helldivers can't be bothered to get rid of them and throwing them everywhere.) IMO the tesla tower serves better as chokepoint holder because 1. Lower cooldown 2. It chains and hits multiple enemies. 3. It STUNS. Mines simply are not effective enough to justify a 2 min CD (They are really fun tho, ive been loving the gas mines)

[@BackwardsPancake]

@@binging3999 And also, it's just a matter of contrast. Sure, pre-placing mine defenses sounds fun in theory, but why would I bother with that when I could just call in Orbital Gas ~every minute, for the same effective result.

[@shellsterdude]

I definitely wouldn't take them over anything else, but while free, my team found that if you dumped them, then did an air burst over top of them, you got a nice large area denial covered in gas.

[@Tinytraveler]

My daily log in has me changing up my loadouts to keep myself entertained. Me and buddy have been hosting game, then using digital dice to randomly roll our stratagems, taking into account the 3 types, the various amounts in each type and going into lvl 10s with randomly selected load outs. Hilarious results ensue lol

[@Pyromaniac77777]

Oh that sounds great, it's fun making things work! I like to just throw on a jumppack and some orbitals and find a weapon on the map

[@peterthanos2209]

If you’d rather, there is actually a website that lets you randomly create a loadout to use!

[@Tinytraveler]

@@peterthanos2209 Oh neat! Thanks for letting me know, I'll google it

[@bonehed1]

This is clever and sounds fun but the fact that you have to go to such lengths to enjoy the game is a sad reflection of the state of Helldivers 2

[@Guaguadeath]

That's actually pretty cool I want to try that now lol

[@R451Ns]

if they let you bring an emplacement for free like an HMG or Mines (NOT Turrets) i would actually love to use them, but replacing something actually useful like an orbital or an eagle is not worth it at all.

[@dukeoog5466]

HMG is crazy good right now, and imo if you are bringing 1 support 3 reds you need to put one of those reds away for the hmg

[@ryanwing5785]

It will also be great if they made backpacks just part of the player's kit instead of costing a stratagem slot.

[@sturmmagnunstein1008]

Dont you talk SHIT about the hmg. I totally agree though. The dss should in the future grant us a democratically voted free stratagem for 24 hours.

[@mouseii88]

Generally one of your teammates should be bringing the mines/mortal/smoke, they are basically support/debuff in RPG. They make the fight easier for your teammate, and they will feel fairly useless for you. It aren't helping either o when 8/10 times your teammates just drop their eagle or orbital on your deployed mines and you don't see the mines killing.

[@mrziggyzaggy113]

HMG is basically an essential on super helldive in bot fronts, its insanely good and stopped my whole squad from getting wiped by the sheer number of bots coming towards an objective we need to get done so many times, one good hmg placement is worth like 5x the kills of any 380 or walking barrage

[@eisenhammertech5248]

In other words, Arrowhead has somehow failed to learn anything at all. They NERFED the most used booster instead of BUFFING the least used ones!

[@shadow-squid4872]

All in an effort to “fix” a bug instead of you know… fixing the bug. For the hundredth time it feels like.

[@tabithal2977]

11:52. Absolutely, i dont play the game anymore because its not fun. The only "content" we've gotten in the past 4 months has been the dss, and it sucks. Balancing updates, while important, aren't content. Major orders dont feel important right now, and we can hardly complete them anyway due to the DSS's awful implementation

[@GamerSingularity]

Proudly not part of the game anymore but still in the conversation. You made a decision to move on but didn't move on.. 🤔

[@jordanwarmachine]

​@GamerSingularity so if he sees a dude dating his horrible ex, he's not narrowed to laugh at the other dudes bad life choices and or decision making skills?

[@GamerSingularity]

@@jordanwarmachine Lay off the tide pods, little one. Edit: Your example is flawed as he would be laughing at his past self too as he made those same poor decisions and life choices first..

[@Lazarultos]

I can understand the gripes with the DSS and its poor implementation, along with the feeling of stagnation with the Major Orders and how the Galactic War system works in general. These things really need a rework to be more satisfying. But fun factor? With the Balance changes (which you rightfully said are important even if it's not new content) the game is A LOT more fun than it was at launch. There is a massive amount of loadout diversity from randoms even at high levels and you have multiple possible options for filling specific combat roles, all satisfying in different ways. To say the gameplay itself is less fun than before is just not accurate. And if you yourself are having less fun than before then maybe consider you're just burning out from the game? There's no game that stays fun forever if you play it all the time. New content for that same game just reduces the same-y feeling without actually solving the burnout.

[@HeadCannonPrime]

But the balance fixes were like 2 months ago. Then we did a month of crap for the DSS. And now it's been another few weeks of failed impossibly stacked MOs. How is this still fun?

[@jakor89]

I played everyday since February. After the DSS launch I stopped playing. Only the illuminate will bring me back.

[@OccasusRaven]

@jakor89 lol you are🐈cat then, there is nothing wrong in dss, its the some players who might vote it to wrong planet sometimes.

[@Paradox66199]

@@OccasusRaven Did you even watch the video?

[@reaper_exd7498]

@Paradox66199 doesnt matter. Seems he's here to just glaze and hate on anyone not happy with the game right now. The ironic part is he doesnt know he will just drive others away leaving this game as infamous in their minds, with no redemption to return to. When right now a lot of people complaining are currently indifferent and rightfully angry about it. People like him will harm this game and community as much as the actions of AH at this point.

[@brenankean6634]

you gotta get a job dawg

[@GamerSingularity]

You're still here talking so you didn't commit to moving on very well. Can't trust such weak conviction from a failed diver who can't move on..

[@aldarrin]

Arrowhead is amazingly bad at systems engineering.

[@alessandrotullio-perez1674]

WHY DOES THE DSS REMOVE PERCENTAGE !?! I’m shocked this somehow got in the game. Also, why tf nerf Vitality?!

[@zc4905]

There’s been multiple other stealth nerfs as well. I don’t see many people talking about the graphics nerf.

[@gothicpando]

Devs hate us.

[@bookmite729]

I just realized, the “disappearances”bin the Rictus sector are the illuminate. If you think back to the accidental illuminate territory appearing in the map, it was in the Rictus center. They’re gonna show up down there. Edit: im stupid, Eravin literally spoke about it

[@foresta-2684]

Thrawn was rights Big space stations are for nerds.

[@shoyahaaruni]

If i had a medal for every time the illuminate were closer than we thought...

[@Sonlirain]

You'd get 0 medals because you're already capped.

[@kirbyplush240]

I really don't want to wait another two months for AH to get their shit together only for them to mess it all up again in three weeks, and the consistent lack of transparency is just going to make things worse. I can only assume the next update will have more stealth nerfs, no "top priority" fixes, and another half-baked mechanic to hinder our fun/progress in the war. Management needs to get their heads out of their asses.

[@GamerSingularity]

Other options?

[@shilombaba]

so entitled...

[@kirbyplush240]

@shilombaba sorry I want the game to be fun for everyone again

[@shilombaba]

​@@kirbyplush240 It has always been fun for me and all my friends, up until the big noob update that made the game trivial and inelegant by just throwing more stuff at you that you kill faster... The uncertainty of war effect has disappeared, as no large enemy is intimidating anymore... boring, predictable... The CoD kiddies finaly changed the game's DNA cause they couldn't be bothered to learn it. Classic.

[@kirbyplush240]

@shilombaba you're in a tiny minority then, the game didn't get popular because it was hard. What is objectively not fun is either being lied to or ghosted by devs. Whether it's about glitches, balance, or content all it does ruin the experience for everyone, which was my point.

[@25xxfrostxx]

I just don't care anymore. All of the major orders are either deliberately placed on miserable planets or they start on a good one that everyone clears quickly then it moves to a bad one. I don't need medals, I've been capped on them since a week or two after the last warbond. The only thing I don't have is super samples. If I decide to play, I go to a planet I want to play on instead of a heat+fire tornado bore hole. Even then, I'm down to one to two drops a week just to kill boredom because the gameplay is still fun, just unrewarding. It's as disappointing as it is confusing that they're far faster at making changes that damage enjoyment than they are at adding things that enhance. I think I'm about done. I have enough SC for two and a half years worth of warbonds so I might just uninstall for about that long at least just to have something to do eventually, even if it might not be a game worth playing by that time.

[@BSO_Actual]

Arrowhead said no more nerfs yet here we are....

[@zc4905]

They nerf shit under the table, then use the same excuse each time

[@BSO_Actual]

@zc4905 yup. Fuck the end user. That's their secret motto.

[@gothicpando]

Liars lie.

[@HeadCannonPrime]

Technically it's a "fix". -AH probably

[@BSO_Actual]

@HeadCannonPrime "We fixed the glitch" ~The Bobs

[@GrandSupremeDaddyo]

So the DSS drags the blob to the wrong location and then amps their useless progress by siphoning it off from the rest of us!?

[@HitthaChoint420]

Hear me out... They already made their money off the game, ongoing support is just a bonus.. I'm not happy about it, but they've already made the bulk of their sales and are probably already working on HD3 for the next gen ...

[@HeadCannonPrime]

​That's not exactly how games as a service are supposed to work. Destiny at least had meaningful seasons.

[@GrandSupremeDaddyo]

@@HitthaChoint420 Live service games expect at least a few years. I don't think this is a lack of care. They don't even have the Illuminate released yet. This just seems like very poor execution.

[@enigmatvarence4319]

No Communication. No Updates. Game is barely a Live Service. Really, Helldivers2 is barely under the category of "Live Service" as they don't consistently update at a set frequency. Crytek has a really good consistency for Hunt Showdown, updating and droping events every couple months that also lasts a couple months. A 20 man crew works on Hunt, and they do better at making Hunt a live service better than Arrowhead would right now.

[@HeadCannonPrime]

Agreed. This doesn't even feel like a live service. Destiny 2 had 4 full seasons every year! HD hasn't even got a 3rd enemy faction yet.

[@frederickspeller8117]

They have 100% stealth nerfed the 500kg bomb. It no longer destroys spore spewers or shrieker nests in 1 hit, even if it lands right on top. In fact, I saw one hit a bile titan square in the face the other day before exploding and it didn't kill it.

[@zc4905]

Something has definitely been tweaked under the table

[@InsecureRoos178]

If a 500 lands on top of an enemy it's worse. The direct hit won't always kill higher HP stuff and the explosion goes up not down. People think the 60 day patch fixed it, but honestly it was, or is, still funky sometimes.

[@reaper_exd7498]

They'll keep doing it. They never let you win and never will. They just know how to rugpull their player base. That's all

[@Lazarultos]

The 500kg is just plain wonky, but it is definitely still stronger than before. I've gotten a triple kill on a Titan and 2 Chargers plus the chaff around them just a couple days ago. Blasted myself too even though I thought I was clear of the blast radius. Landing on a Titan's face is the absolute worst thing that could happen since the explosion goes in an upward cone and technically the Titan is "under" it so it barely dents them. I have no idea why it doesnt take out spore towers and shrieker nests though, even if I've landed it right next to their base. Especially since it wipes out Fabricators and Bug nests just fine (one bomb in the middle of Medium Bug nest will instantly clear it). There's probably some spaghetti code or weird interactions making this thing inconsistent.

[@Krimbus_HD2]

Mines in general should have a cooldown similar to the EAT or Commando, they're the Emplacement stratagem equivalent. Quick disposal of specific enemies, heavies, or swarms and pretty much one time use until cooldown's up. Incin mines are good against bug swarms, regular mines sucks but can dispatch commissar patrols. AT mines *can* take down tanks and hulks but you're better off shooting them when enemies are near.. Gas mines were surprisingly useful, and mixed with Mortar and Rocket sentries they can protect your sentries by confusing enemies. But really if they could all be called down as fast as you can get swarmed by patrols, then they would be worth it IMO

[@Echo_418]

@Eravin to come back to the topic of enemy spawn constellations, I recently learned that if the host leaves the spawn constellation can change. I was fighting Alpha Commanders and the like when the host left and had to fight Bile Spewers after that. This might explain some of the anomalous enemy spawns we've seen in the past.

[@jordanwarmachine]

Good info

[@kirbobirbo0446]

I honestly REALLY enjoy the gas mines on both sides, but I wouldn’t take them over anything. I honestly wouldn’t mind a module or something that allows a sort of “mine specific 5th stratagem” slot where you can ONLY put a selected mine in. They aren’t broken enough for that to be too good, but theyre almost always completely unused

[@bryankopkin6869]

YES Eagle Strafing Run is so goated. Ty for shining a light on it this vid. Always appreciate the content, Eravin!

[@Grizabeebles]

After experimenting with the gas mines, I've settled on an "all-gas" loadout as the optimum use case: Medium or heavy anti-gas Armour, liberator concussive, vitality boost, dog breath or supply pack, gas mines, gas strike, tesla tower. You're stuck scavenging a support weapon off the battlefield, but you can fight in the minefield and gas cloud with negligible but non-zero damage. It's finally a solution for getting swarmed during breaches and bug holes. But I feel like you have to already be an *immensely* self-destructive person to take full advantage of it.

[@Kirhean]

I like the Torcher for my primary when running gas. But Lib. Conc is an amusingly evil choice. I also run EATs, so don't use the tesla...which isn't to say it's a bad choice, just not how I run it.

[@svn5510]

Run two loadouts like this with each of you holding a stim pistol and you can sit in the gas forever 😂

[@PRC533]

you don't need anti-gas armor because it's damage is minimal already. You're better off taking something useful.

[@Grizabeebles]

@@svn5510 -- The Death Korps of Krieg sends its regards...

[@Grizabeebles]

@@PRC533 -- Heavy armour with Extra Padding or Explosion Resistance is more all-around useful, but you need to burn way more stims if you sit in the gas for a prolonged defense. Light anti-gas armour is basically useless -- the light armour actually multiplies the gas damage before the 80% reduction from the anti-gas effect.

[@LeafMaltieze]

I'll keep watching this channel, but I'm taking a break from Helldivers. I might play every now and then if a group of friends are feeling like playing, but I'm not going to play the MO, I'm just going to play the game for the fun of it. I'll start caring again if they can turn this ship back around and stop fumbling with nearly every single change they make.

[@toryunaminosaki1022]

Mines in general could used a cooldown buff, it's long enough right now it feels like a waste to use them, but by the time you need them it's too late because they take time to deploy...something along the lines of machine gun/gatling turret time might be better

[@Steir12]

Yeah mines CD should be close to inner CD between bug breaches/bot drops so you would always have it ready before next reinforcements wave.

[@benjaminreid5339]

Thank you for your consistently high-quality content!

[@lukemehalick370]

I'll be back when "liberate X for permanent access to 1000 kg bombs" is the MO

[@seanAndru]

I have been digging the gas mines as part of my chemical loadout, the spread of mines is pretty good. It is good for locking down an area over time and a solid slowdown if you drop behind you as you keep on the move.

[@Tonisaka]

That explains why Vitality felt like it useless suddenly

[@gothicpando]

yep

[@kqian349]

No way they actually do this, but it would be hilarious if they stealth dropped a stealth warbond with no prior marketing this Thursday.

[@DarkMoonGreatsword]

The gas mines were actually very effective with stationary objectives like the hive breaker missions. I really liked them tbh

[@Chris_Tootoo]

We’re about to attack Blistica, a Fire Planet with the Fire Tornado Weather Effect. This MO is as good as lost because of the Amount of Players that will not get on that planet, and with how little time we have to finish it, we’ve lost the Gas Mines guaranteed. And we’ve lost it for a couple months for sure, for at least 2-3 months because AH will be leaving for their Holiday Break.

[@PRC533]

lets be honest, losing the gas mines isn't a big blow and if the AT mines are any indication, we will just get them anyway because depending on players to unlock your planned content is pretty dumb.

[@MrNimbleBear]

The new mines are basically Orbital Gas Strike: Hellpod Edition and surprisingly it works really well

[@Steir12]

Its orbital gas strike that cannot miss essentially.

[@Gwyn1stborn]

They should release a stealth warbond with no announcement or anything

[@megaconda07]

They make no sense. Sometimes bots don't even react to me shooting their friends right in front of them when im making really long distance shots. But somehow nerfing our abilties is the issue. Also - "hey we need you to liberate planets that are basically surrounded, don't worry about the liberation campaigns on the planets closest to our home planet and that are surrounded by friendly forces, they don't matter"

[@krevetka9744]

Honourable mention: heavy anti-gas armor paired with vitality booster in fact makes you immune to gas, turning gas into a "nope" zone exclusively for enemies. This skyrockets gas mines and gas orbital to SS tier, allowing you to gas an entire base of bots, run inside, do a terminal and get out easily. Short cooldown too!

[@Gerwhal]

@krevetka9744 they literally said they fixed this months ago, via vitality booster nerf

[@alpgnr7690]

The cycles of it over 💀 and we are so back 😆 will never end with this game.

[@E3.20]

Eravin is the GOAT at uncovering Arrowheads shenanigans!!

[@ustanoksamuraii112]

Strafing run has been my favorite stratagem since October when I tried it against the bots. Great synergy when you pair it with Eagle strike as well. For bot blitz missions if you bring both those Eagle strays and the 120 for watch towers makes those missions a breeze

[@MrMacavity]

We need something to grind and work towards over the long term, not just during warbond releases. Weapon tweaking/upgrading and armor upgrading/tweaks, and long term ship upgrades.

[@onthespiral4054]

10:32 wtf causes that? DSS doesn’t even have the option to go where you need it to!

[@HazopGaze]

The Strafing Run being as utterly GOATed as it is is the SINGLE reason why I retooled my voice commands - run through Voice Attack - to allow to say several variations of the classic "cleared hot" radio jargon. It works on all other eagles too but Strafing Run looks absolutely sick in combination with me saying "Eagle-1, cleared hot for gun run" right before it. Nothing else about AH's nutty decisions shock me, sadly.

[@georgevana]

DSS definitely killed my will to play... not only because of the friendly fire, but especially because of the amount of failed major orders since it's introduction and broken DSS position voting. The silent nerf of the vitality booster is just a nail to the coffin really.

[@Wolf-Nyan]

well that explains why i've felt noticeably squishier the last few weeks..

[@drummerdude1123]

You you have best Helldivers content on KZbin. Everyone else is click bait/rage bait, and complaining non-stop. You share objective information, have the best analysis, and give concrete well thought out solutions to the issues. Plus you don't update daily with pointless filler content that is just re-packaged day after day. It's a crime you don't have more subscribers. Please keep it up.

[@ladiesman2138]

Aurocannon needs penetration 5

[@LaserTractor]

Nah I think I'm done. Was done a long time ago, just was too addicted, too hopeful. Seems like there won't be any progression, no grind, no more fun. People will be waiting 3 months for MINOR updates like DSS and that's it Game was fun at start, people were hoping to have many more things because potential of this game is huge. How devs act on this potential tho... Doesn't matter. Had a nice time watching you, Eravin. Maybe I will continue doing that tho😅

[@tobiasrex8052]

Arrowhead: "Eravin has been a bit TOO cheery with that eagle strafing run.. ...lets 'fix' that..."

[@zero11010]

There’s a real silver lining to arrowhead not releasing any new patches … They haven’t horribly and accidentally broken the game lately! 🤣

[@Sorain1]

Don't worry, they'll do a major patch (that breaks things) right before they leave on holiday break! I trust them to keep to that history of behavior.

[@mossblomma]

It's crazy how good Arrowhead is at fumbling and dropping the ball, just repeatadly trying to push in a direction the majority doesn't want, the very reason they had to do the 60 day plan thing was to push the game back to where players want it instead of where they want it, but if they don't stop trying to force "their" direction we're gonna need another 60 day plan at some point.

[@AzureIV]

The mines are great in the sense that it is one of the few minefields that doesn't kill you so quickly as to be a liability.

[@Akantorz]

The gear they have been making could be part of a new free warbond they might release with the drop of the illuminate, it's probably why they haven't announced a new warbond yet, that might be the reveal they do this week. But that would be speculation, in reality I just want some long awaited fixes to happen that have been bugging me forever: -AMR needs to get at least 2 mags from a yellow ammo box, not one -Circle reticle makes thrid-person aiming too busy, maybe just give the dot the same properties and confirm if the shot comes from the dot or the circle. (It's different dependent on the gun, DCS does dot, Grenade pistol follows circle) -Give HMG it's durable damage back -Lower HMG recoil, if it ain't doing AMR damage per bullet, it needs to have less recoil, only 50 BMG would have that recoil. -Maybe let AMR one shot Hulks in the eye and Gunships in the engine? (PLZ) -Handling on the DCS should be WAY higher, the fact that it has handling close to the Dominator, yet the old Constitution has handling closer to that of SMGs is insane. -Recoil across the board should be lower, how do modern firearms have better recoil control than future guns. -Remove spread and startup time on Sickle -Add 1 pen level to all laser weapons except for the Sickle. (Yes the Laser Cannon too) -Add corrosion like in acid rain to gas items (weapons, strats, etc.) lowering armor value for those affected by 1 -Lower spread on ALL GUNS THAT ARE NOT SHOTGUNS (Except the slugger) Tendy should be one of the most accurate guns in the game, because the barrel length is insane once you realize how long it is due to it being a bullpup rifle -Return the power back to the Slugger, give it mega stagger and like 400 damage, and WAY better accuracy, keep the recoil though. Give it the ability to open crates and break fences, but you could also do that for anything medium pen plus if you want since that would also let the railgun do that which it already should. -For the battle map, stop having taking planets be slow, make the map more active, let us take planets fast, but let planets fall fast as well, I'd rather been in an intense tug of war than what is essentially a boring stalemate These are just some of the ideas I have, feel free to add more.

[@jeffreyparkes7558]

Long term player here, I really love this game but Arrowhead just doesn’t seem like they get it. The DSS, vitality nerf, doubled failed MO because of just general stupidity from Joel and communication problems. I was there when the player base was at 5k, how hard is it to just learn sometimes it be try frustrating

[@Guywiththetypewriter]

I think it would be a good idea to do a video breaking down all the open job positions on the Arrowhead website right now as half of them directly name drop Helldivers 2 AND give a pretty good "this is where we are struggling" perspective on the game at the current time.

[@salaciousdaz8316]

Agreed on the Strafing Run.. that thing is GOAT vs bots. Pretty good when bugs form an orderly line chasing you too!! Rocket pods is up in this conversations also

[@jackey6149]

Steal warbound would be godly armor passive could be Critical strike: while undetected all weakpoint hits will do 2X damage

[@hiphip9167]

Gas mines/grenades and HMG suppression has been pretty fun

[@BackwardsPancake]

3:58 The problem with this, however, is the same as with any other minefield: Any "follow-up" on a target stuck in the minefield will very likely detonate the other mines as well. And even if you forego the follow up, the targets will still waste the other mines when they walk around in the gas, or when they die and fall over/go flying. So, in actual function, this stratagem is just a worse, more awkward Orbital Gas Strike that can be preplaced, but on a longer cooldown.

[@DJ-Muffins]

If the tick damage stacked with each mine a unit detonates, it would be more useful. While a single unit might set off all the mines, at least it would give decent damage as each stacks

[@tech8438]

Been using the Strafing run since launch, its always been useful... but since being made AP/Explosive its SUPER useful now no matter what your against its all about positioning

[@kingginger3335]

I've actually been enjoying the mines as a 5th stratagem. Having it pair up with a machine gun sentry or a Gatlin Sentry has really stacking up the bodies. But if it's removed and you have to play with only 4 stratagems. I don't think it's going to be as effective, and it will end up being a wasted slot with better options to choose from

[@duross101]

Ive been playing subnautica again. I forgot how amazingly fun it was and remembering the joy of exploration into the terror deeps is such an awesome feeling to go back to! Helldivers 2 is alright too.

[@therpderp]

Genuinely, I think Gas Mines are the best of the set. Slapping them on a bug breach with a Tesla Tower makes clean work of the thing, unless a Bile Titan or Impaler spawns, of course.

[@cmdrlightwalker_9877]

Me and my friends have been using the gas mines during extract. They're actually pretty useful for holding down locations. But other than that, yeah, I agree with you. They won't be used much. Oh wow a 10% nerf on vitality booster! That's not cool arrowhead.

[@Dracodeus]

That gear we've seen is tied to the illuminate planets. So if they do use that warbond this time it will be after announcing illuminate at the game awards. This is all big IF.

[@grandconqueror2446]

Yeah, the mines are underwhelming but also surprisingly useful as they can effectively tie up patrols if left in chokepoints that they frequent. That triggering also caused other patrols to investigate and pretty soon you've got a clump of Automatons shooting wildly at each other and unable to see your Helldiver... Granted that was my testing so far, also, they're the safer of the options as the other three will just kill a helldiver during the explosion... And people don't need to be watching the ground and fighting at the same time...

[@epgamer1145]

Still surprised they keep the donkey barrel shotgun outside the stratagems.

[@JackTGreat]

I kind of want a warbond that enables customization of weapons. Like, pay medals to unlocks heavy pen, 10 round magazine for the dominator, or a new scope for the railgun, or fire grenades for the grenade launcher. Add easily implemented features as a drip so we have something to work towards.

[@OpXarxa]

gas mines are great actually, them releasing a corrosive cloud *and* applying confusion effect actually makes them good at doing their actual job as, mines, compared to other minefields having very compromised utility from the way they work making most of their firepower wasted and just not worth the stratagem slot. hot take, I'd okay with the vitality booster nerf... if it was compensated by increasing our base armor levels. It IS too strong, it's simply that without it we die way too fast.

[@The_Watcher734]

I'm not shocked they didn't announce a Warbond yet....the Game Awards are this Thursday so there's probably gonna be an announcement then. Might be something like a full new expansion (Illuminate perhaps???) Or at least a Warbond, but they're definitely saving any trailer and announcement for Thursday

[@azogtheuglee4889]

The Gas Mines are better than the other mines, the Lingering gas means that premature detonations from friendly fire or confused isn't so bad since the gas is still there for a bot, & unlike the fire mine the DPS isn't what you want from gas it's the confusion effect. & it also means that when groups of enemies move through they all get gassed instead of just the guys at the front being hit. Also the low DPS of gas means you can deploy danger close with less fear of friendly fire. Still worse than a gas strike imo but better than the other mines.

[@theBoomerDoomer]

Gas mines are very useful, as are the others when you’re playing a lot of solo missions. Even better when they’re given out free!

[@benc4346]

i believe the stealth nerf of vitality wasnt noticed because it was around the time they made us more squishy across the board and since everyone was running vitality all the time it just wasnt as noticeable as it wouldve been had they not made us more squishy in the first place

[@ZeeDahktah]

Mines are good for extraction perimeters. That’s really the only place I use them if I have access to them like we have now as a 5th strat.

[@Aeoss1]

Would be crazy if instead of the illuminates, it's just "earth defectors" and it's just humans that fight back with wild west/tribal gear and old war vehicle tech.

[@denisconstontiv2455]

13:18 Funnily enough, I think, heavy armor with Advanced Filtration and vitality still gives immunity to gas.

[@adambaker2670]

Are people not understanding that the DSS is still in testing phases by the engineers and it will keep improving after use on different planets. Us as Helldivers are expendable by lore. Collateral damage is no surprise

[@blockedjuser1272]

Finally the forth mine stratagem the mine loadout is complete!

[@Mizuraka4437]

100% delaying the next warbond till game awards to get some more players. Hopefully this will come with some buffs to chemicals and mines so some older players will come back and i can see some teammates that use them like my brother who likes them but won't use them due to them sucking. Wishing yall well chem divers 😂❤

[@najh1997]

They will need to buff liberation % per mission if they want to open up a third front … with the dwindling player base there’s no way we can fight 3 fronts

[@Pr0digyZRX]

The image of where the Illuminate will probably be made me realize just how much area will still be completely empty in the southwestern area of tne galaxy... maybe a 4th faction at some point... Negl I've been playing call of duty for about a month or a bit more now... i hope they do something cool for Christmas and new years though. Ill definitely dive for some cool new stuff. But im also doing the whole camo grind in cod so theres that. And i don't get a lot of time to game with work and life

[@ShiGuy55]

4:30 glad to know 500kg can blow up the last 2 fabs on this heavy base from this angle

[@evanhuizenga8626]

Gas mines are the best of all the mines, which is not a very high bar, but there it is

[@dotmadhack]

I haven't played much since the DSS came out, maybe a week of it then I was like ok i'll be back when this get tweaked. So many planets get to 75%, DSS moves, all progress dwindles down.

[@Pd69bq]

I'm pretty sure in the hands of newly trained cadets, those new gas mines have killed way more divers than bugs and bots.

[@GamerSingularity]

I see just as many high rank noobs as low rank ones, if not more. Most of the higher ranks are actually much worse and more dangerous.

[@jordanwarmachine]

​@@GamerSingularityyou only respond to comments you disagree with? Get a life dude

[@GamerSingularity]

@@jordanwarmachineSays the person doing the exact same thing. Hypocrite much? Lmfao Ignorance is bliss. Edit: Facts having this much control over your emotional state is something you need to work on, soft boy. Atleast I can share my experiences and beliefs unlike you who can only attack and be negative. You are not to blame though. Your parents and educators failed you. I forgive your rude ignorance.

[@MadNekUA]

Gas enjoyer here. I found gas mines very usefull when combined with gas armor. I create my own GAS DOMAIN where i literaly untouchable.